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LG must use thermal compound

Guys, look at this
This is pathetic results for SD800. And the reason of so low bench results is absence of thermal pad on the SoC.
This was the case with first Nexus 4 http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/hardmod-nexus-4-investigating-thermal-t2144652, the same is with Nexus 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...de-nexus-5s-throttling-solved-adding-t2627714 and the same goes to LGG2.
I mean, when I spend $600+ for expensive phone I want it perform better than competitors' ones, I mean Xperia Z1, Note 3, Xperia Z Ultra. I what my bang for the buck
What do you think? Would you buy G Pro 2 or LG G3 if they will lack thermal grease too?

Benchmarks mean nothing, the phone runs fine and quickly, games play fine at good frame rates, so its pointless doing this.
Transferring heat away from a components thats designed to handle it to a component that isnt is a bad idea. You may not think the screen is getting heated, but there a layers of very insulating glass between you and the LCD, you wont be aware just how warm it is. Heat affects LCDs, in time you might end up with a dark spot where the CPU is.

Billy Madison said:
Guys, look at this
This is pathetic results for SD800. And the reason of so low bench results is absence of thermal pad on the SoC.
This was the case with first Nexus 4 http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/hardmod-nexus-4-investigating-thermal-t2144652, the same is with Nexus 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...de-nexus-5s-throttling-solved-adding-t2627714 and the same goes to LGG2.
I mean, when I spend $600+ for expensive phone I want it perform better than competitors' ones, I mean Xperia Z1, Note 3, Xperia Z Ultra. I what my bang for the buck
What do you think? Would you buy G Pro 2 or LG G3 if they will lack thermal grease too?
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What exactly is the "bang for your buck" that you require? What does the G2 not do for you that the Note 3 or Z1 does that is so crucial to daily life?
Because if it is just benchmarks, then as mentioned above, they mean nothing.

Billy Madison said:
Guys, look at this
This is pathetic results for SD800. And the reason of so low bench results is absence of thermal pad on the SoC.
This was the case with first Nexus 4 http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/hardmod-nexus-4-investigating-thermal-t2144652, the same is with Nexus 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...de-nexus-5s-throttling-solved-adding-t2627714 and the same goes to LGG2.
I mean, when I spend $600+ for expensive phone I want it perform better than competitors' ones, I mean Xperia Z1, Note 3, Xperia Z Ultra. I what my bang for the buck
What do you think? Would you buy G Pro 2 or LG G3 if they will lack thermal grease too?
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not long ago the g2 rocked the benchmarks mwahhaha so there with your thermal grease

bachera said:
not long ago the g2 rocked the benchmarks mwahhaha so there with your thermal grease
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the kk update killed the bench score, i think mine dropped like 10k.

Benchmarks are the worse thing to ever happen to android. You would think that the moto x with its "out of date" specs still running smoother then the s5 would prove once and for all that benchmark scores are pointless. I don't care if the note 3 or s5 put up record breaking omg wtf fml scores...it still lags and mine doesn't! Lol....
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To add to this.... lets say you bought 2 cars. Both cost the same, one car says 700 hp, 0-60 in 3 seconds. The second car has 300 hp, 0-60 in 6 seconds. But once you get on the road, the 300 hp drives better, feels faster in every way and gets much better gas mileage. There's what's on paper, and there's real life.
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bweN diorD said:
the kk update killed the bench score, i think mine dropped like 10k.
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but user experience increased a lot right? ui flluidness/ opening of apps?

mgolder said:
Benchmark d*ck swinging - The rankings equivalent of being the moron who still says 'FIRST' on a comments section
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lol, I dont mind good benchmarks, there just arent any on android that measure fluidness/real life snappyness.
First! after the guy who doesnt like firsts.

bachera said:
but user experience increased a lot right? ui flluidness/ opening of apps?
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i dont see it. my phone was snappy and fluid before the update, its the same now.
as for the benchmark comments. i agree to a degree that they dont mean a lot, but a 25-35% drop seems a bit extreme for an update.
seems like they boosted the benches to boost sales when it was new.

The fluidity and the battery are awesome. I love everything on that phone. Even if LG doesn't keep it updated it will still be one great phone that i own/ed...

bodom_hc said:
Its pathetic you ACTUALLY care about benchmarks, lol.
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I don't care bout benches, I care about what I paid for, and I use, as everyone else does, benches to prove that my item works as intended. Did you hear about lags when doing spherical panoramas? when phone overheats and process too long, longer than it must? It's the same story. Did you hear about "slow focus" in G2? Everybody did. Maybe it partly is because of early frequency drop, maybe not so.
And not only I care for benchmarks, look there http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-jelly-bean-vs-kitkat-benchmark-battle/

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I don't care bout benches, I care about what I paid for, and I use, as everyone else does, benches to prove that my item works as intended. Did you hear about lags when doing spherical panoramas? when phone overheats and process too long, longer than it must? It's the same story. Did you hear about "slow focus" in G2? Everybody did. Maybe it partly is because of early frequency drop, maybe not so.
And not only I care for benchmarks, look there http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-jelly-bean-vs-kitkat-benchmark-battle/
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But you didn't pay for a device that guarantees you any particular score in artificially inflated benchmark tests though. No manufacturer will launch a device guaranteeing someone a set score all the time. So what is it that you think you should have that you haven't got now? I thin that is what we can't understand.

mgolder said:
But you didn't pay for a device that guarantees you any particular score in artificially inflated benchmark tests though. No manufacturer will launch a device guaranteeing someone a set score all the time. So what is it that you think you should have that you haven't got now? I thin that is what we can't understand.
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Man, I want it to not lag earlyer than do another smartphones. Did you hear of lags when playing Spiderman 2? I've heard that G2 is not capable of playing this recent new game smoothly, as device with SD800 should. OK I don't play Spiderman2 and did not by to play benchmarks, I only use benchmarks as examples that internally G2, Nexus 4, Nexus 5 do not constructed properly. And as I did http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2299888 when I complained of improper color temperatures of G Pro LG reacted and made G2 display perfectly calibrated and on par with HTC One and iPhone 5S. So I think that in future G3 they'll do something with SoC cooling and improve performance when gaming for long time

Billy Madison said:
And not only I care for benchmarks, look there http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-jelly-bean-vs-kitkat-benchmark-battle/
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These things have nothing to do with benchmarks:
Did you hear about lags when doing spherical panoramas?Overheating can be many things, I have yet to find a phone that doesnt overheat sometimes. Usually a clean instal fixes this nicely. Its Android I guess and faulty install scenarios.
It's the same story. Did you hear about "slow focus" in G2? -> slow focus is the automatic focus, press on screen where you want focus and its almost instant. Google camera is pretty good. there are other settings that can tweak this.
That said, benchmarks in my opinion do nothing good for true user experience.
I do believe Android needs to step up on the user experience game as my comments above prove enough that this device, I say all android devices, need to much customization to be perfect. All these workarounds To fix these real issues that some users find anoying, not higher benchmarks are needed.

lol, and does kitkat score less in that? didnt see you post scores once with that nor found your arguments on it.Stop trolling yourself and post some proof then.
so my arguments from that standingpoint still hold.
I also couldnt find it featured on any major android website, wonder why.
the one benchmarktool I dont know, its only got 33 reviews, hardly antutu level. wonder if its representative.
This could be a benchmark that actually does measure some important stuff I am talking about. Interesting. thanks for sharing
omg the downloading is soo slow wow

ok ran the benchmark. but I am not impressed as it benchmarks with its own gui, not the actual phones gui. Also it doesnt benchmark the panorama shots or any camera shots for that matter.
I guess I wasnt wrong after all... sad was hoping big on this benchmarking tool to finally have a representative view of a gui from a user point of view.

People, so upsest with benchmarks, its not like its a gaming computer/server where you squeeze every bit of performance regardless of powerdraw etc, its a phone lol, and its smoother than before KitKat. Xperia Z is a good example of benchmarks vs sucking in real life ex horrible battery life....

bachera said:
ok ran the benchmark. but I am not impressed as it benchmarks with its own gui, not the actual phones gui. Also it doesnt benchmark the panorama shots or any camera shots for that matter.
I guess I wasnt wrong after all... sad was hoping big on this benchmarking tool to finally have a representative view of a gui from a user point of view.
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Well, from the user point of view you should your Gallery scroll, Zoom scroll, list scroll results. The gallery scroll is what fubar in LG's UI. It scores around 35-37FPS, right? But on the Nexus it scores 50-55 fps or near. All other scrolls on LG are pretty near 60 fps, so as on every other smartphone and all right with them. But gallery scroll is bad. Did you use Tapatalk ever? Have you noticed when you try to swipe from right to left to open next page the tapatalk just stagger, hangs for .5sec, and then completes the move? It shouldn't, scroll must be buttery as is in HTC phones
abhinav.tella said:
People, so upsest with benchmarks, its not like its a gaming computer/server where you squeeze every bit of performance regardless of powerdraw etc.
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Check my hwbot prime score it is 1688 and compare to Nexus 5 scores that has same MSM8974A packed in LG box. 2923 points. pretty 50% increase just because of software, huh. Or the next result , 3075

Billy Madison said:
Well, from the user point of view you should your Gallery scroll, Zoom scroll, list scroll results. The gallery scroll is what fubar in LG's UI. It scores around 35-37FPS, right? But on the Nexus it scores 50-55 fps or near. All other scrolls on LG are pretty near 60 fps, so as on every other smartphone and all right with them. But gallery scroll is bad. Did you use Tapatalk ever? Have you noticed when you try to swipe from right to left to open next page the tapatalk just stagger, hangs for .5sec, and then completes the move? It shouldn't, scroll must be buttery as is in HTC phones
Check my hwbot prime score it is 1688 and compare to Nexus 5 scores that has same MSM8974A packed in LG box. 2923 points. pretty 50% increase just because of software, huh. Or the next result , 3075
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OK, since you mentioned it I did that and got 2745 in HBOT Prime which is not too far off from the N5.
As for HTC I agree, since the One X days they have gone pretty far, they are probably best Android manufacturer at Battery/Performance optimization IMO, and Sony is the worst.
My HTC Butterfly (Int DNA) with 2000 mAh battery lasts longer than the Xperia Z (2330 mAh) per charge. Sony Exmor cameras in iPhone and Galaxy S4 perform better than the Z1. At least LG aren't like Sony.

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OK, since you mentioned it I did that and got 2745 in HBOT Prime which is not too far off from the N5.
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So, well, at least it is for me to think over, is it something wrong with my unit or its just my latest ROM with knock code has bad optimization, and it will be improved in future. Or, maybe, my PVS of 3 has to do with too early heating of SoC than yours CPU. Maybe you have PVS of 0 or 1

My experience with the HTC M9 (Two months)

I've purchased the HTC M9 as soon as the device was available to order online. After using it for two months, I would like to share my experiences with this device. If you are planning on to purchase this device, I would not recommend it.
There is no doubt that the hardware is overkill for a person like me, who uses the device for regular purposes (email, notes, texting, calls, and occasional gaming), but HTC M9 made me have second thoughts. Since the first day I've used this device, I have noticed the heating issue. The heating issue still persists on this device today even on light uses, such as streaming internet radio through car Bluetooth. Monitoring the CPU temperature through the CPU-Z and AIDA64 applications from Google Play Store, I've noticed the CPU throttles to just under 850mhz once the temperature reaches 61'C. When I contacted HTC support, their response was: "The device will throttle the CPU clock to cool down to prevent possible burns and other injuries. Our software engineers will look into this heat issue that you are facing and an engineer will give you a call to get further information." The engineer gave me a call and replaced the device with a new one, which still came with the heat issue - There's basically no solution to this other than to just opt in for another brand's smartphone.
The device is durable. I've dropped it without any casing and there were only a few minor scratches.
There is no doubt that HTC entered the megapixel game with its 20mp camera sensor on the HTC M9. I am disappointed to admit that the camera is subpar compared to my Galaxy Note 3 from 2013. Fuzzy pictures are not acceptable in 2015, but HTC M9 blows this section out the park (sarcasm)! I believe this is a perfect example that megapixels aren't everything to take a sharp and clear photo.
I am sure that HTC optimized the device's software; but its hardware couldn't handle it because of the heating issue that I mentioned above. One aspect that I like about HTC is that HTC seeds their core apps, such as sense home to the Google Play Store, so everyone can always be on the latest version.
CONCLUSION: I personally do not recommend this device because of its hardware. The device does not function like it's supposed to be with those beefy hardware. With the same price of the HTC M9, I should've waited and opted in for the LG G4 or maybe the Galaxy S6.

LTE-X said:
I've purchased the HTC M9 as soon as the device was available to order online. After using it for two months, I would like to share my experiences with this device. If you are planning on to purchase this device, I would not recommend it.
There is no doubt that the hardware is overkill for a person like me, who uses the device for regular purposes (email, notes, texting, calls, and occasional gaming), but HTC M9 made me have second thoughts. Since the first day I've used this device, I have noticed the heating issue. The heating issue still persists on this device today even on light uses, such as streaming internet radio through car Bluetooth. Monitoring the CPU temperature through the CPU-Z and AIDA64 applications from Google Play Store, I've noticed the CPU throttles to just under 850mhz once the temperature reaches 61'C. When I contacted HTC support, their response was: "The device will throttle the CPU clock to cool down to prevent possible burns and other injuries. Our software engineers will look into this heat issue that you are facing and an engineer will give you a call to get further information." The engineer gave me a call and replaced the device with a new one, which still came with the heat issue - There's basically no solution to this other than to just opt in for another brand's smartphone.
The device is durable. I've dropped it without any casing and there were only a few minor scratches.
There is no doubt that HTC entered the megapixel game with its 20mp camera sensor on the HTC M9. I am disappointed to admit that the camera is subpar compared to my Galaxy Note 3 from 2013. Fuzzy pictures are not acceptable in 2015, but HTC M9 blows this section out the park (sarcasm)! I believe this is a perfect example that megapixels aren't everything to take a sharp and clear photo.
I am sure that HTC optimized the device's software; but its hardware couldn't handle it because of the heating issue that I mentioned above. One aspect that I like about HTC is that HTC seeds their core apps, such as sense home to the Google Play Store, so everyone can always be on the latest version.
CONCLUSION: I personally do not recommend this device because of its hardware. The device does not function like it's supposed to be with those beefy hardware. With the same price of the HTC M9, I should've waited and opted in for the LG G4 or maybe the Galaxy S6.
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I stream bluetooth in my car all day long and have never gotten close to 61 celsius. I even stream bluetooth, have GPS going, plugged in at the same time and have a black car that bakes on the interior and still peaked at 49 celsius. I just don't believe you or that would be a general thing to happen, sorry.
The problem I have with the camera has more to do with the shakey video than the camera itself. In day to day use it takes great pics. Low light pics at night are not that great though. But to make a general statement that all pictures "blow" is an exaggeration.
The S6 has a whole host of issues including battery life and software related failings. It also gets very hot gaming.
Overall, the hardware and software together are fabulous. It is the main reason I am keeping it. The S6 and G4 still isn't as polished and smooth as Sense.

Hi, I've found that this phone runs much cooler than my HTC One M7. Even while gaming it only gets warm, but never hot.
The only time the phone gets hot is after installing a new ROM, when it has to optimize all of the apps.
One has to remember this phone is a metal build with the aluminium case in direct thermal contact with the CPU. The phone is designed to transfer heat away from the CPU. I for one am very pleased with the quality and operation of this phone. Camera low light performance is the only area I find lacking. However it can take reasonable night shots if you hold the camera still. The attached photo was taken by moonlight.

LTE-X said:
I've purchased the HTC M9 as soon as the device was available to order online. After using it for two months, I would like to share my experiences with this device. If you are planning on to purchase this device, I would not recommend it.
There is no doubt that the hardware is overkill for a person like me, who uses the device for regular purposes (email, notes, texting, calls, and occasional gaming), but HTC M9 made me have second thoughts. Since the first day I've used this device, I have noticed the heating issue. The heating issue still persists on this device today even on light uses, such as streaming internet radio through car Bluetooth. Monitoring the CPU temperature through the CPU-Z and AIDA64 applications from Google Play Store, I've noticed the CPU throttles to just under 850mhz once the temperature reaches 61'C. When I contacted HTC support, their response was: "The device will throttle the CPU clock to cool down to prevent possible burns and other injuries. Our software engineers will look into this heat issue that you are facing and an engineer will give you a call to get further information." The engineer gave me a call and replaced the device with a new one, which still came with the heat issue - There's basically no solution to this other than to just opt in for another brand's smartphone.
The device is durable. I've dropped it without any casing and there were only a few minor scratches.
There is no doubt that HTC entered the megapixel game with its 20mp camera sensor on the HTC M9. I am disappointed to admit that the camera is subpar compared to my Galaxy Note 3 from 2013. Fuzzy pictures are not acceptable in 2015, but HTC M9 blows this section out the park (sarcasm)! I believe this is a perfect example that megapixels aren't everything to take a sharp and clear photo.
I am sure that HTC optimized the device's software; but its hardware couldn't handle it because of the heating issue that I mentioned above. One aspect that I like about HTC is that HTC seeds their core apps, such as sense home to the Google Play Store, so everyone can always be on the latest version.
CONCLUSION: I personally do not recommend this device because of its hardware. The device does not function like it's supposed to be with those beefy hardware. With the same price of the HTC M9, I should've waited and opted in for the LG G4 or maybe the Galaxy S6.
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I agree with you when you said the heat is unbarrable and camera is subpar. I've upgraded my HTC M7 to this HTC M9 and regretted it. I will be upgrading to the Galaxy Note 5 when it comes out because this phone probably makes more heat than i7 on full load. Thanks for your review, I agree with you!

I've also had my phone for two months and it doesn't get that hot, not even close. I don't do any gaming, so I can't speak for how hot it will get gaming. When I first got my phone it did get noticeably warm, but four days after having it, I got an update that greatly improved this. During the update process, there was some glitch that forced the phone to hard reset. Because of this, I also decided to wipe the cache partition. I'm not sure if the wiping helped, but I would recommend giving it a shot. Your phone should not be getting that hot with general usage. If the wipe doesn't help and you have already tried a hard reset, I would try to get it exchanged.

AT7197 said:
I agree with you when you said the heat is unbarrable and camera is subpar. I've upgraded my HTC M7 to this HTC M9 and regretted it. I will be upgrading to the Galaxy Note 5 when it comes out because this phone probably makes more heat than i7 on full load. Thanks for your review, I agree with you!
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You still get heating issues with latest update? I'm sorry to hear that , have you checked to see if there are apps running in the background? Me personally with my device it never goes over 42c and it only gets that high after gaming and full brightness on screen. The hardware is beast mode in my opinion on this device, HTC just has to get their software up to spec (which I've heard 1.40 base is good and 5.1 should be just around the corner.)

@ LTE-X & AT7197
What can I say m8's !!!!!!
Oh, wait I know.:
I don't believe neither one of you :good:

I am using m9 for almost 2 months and have never seen temperatures above 48 degrees, even while i am playing games and i do play a lot...

I play games non stop on M9, it's actually killer in gaming, never crosses 45c
As for camera well just look.at the wonders we are posting in the photo thread
There is a learning curve with M9 camera but it's a powerful camera non the less, especially RAW
Also the 1.40 update greatly Improved things

hija31 said:
@ LTE-X & AT7197
What can I say m8's !!!!!!
Oh, wait I know.:
I don't believe neither one of you :good:
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This is also just my opinion, but like you I personally haven't seen users with issues with this device show analytical data to support their statements. Well I did see a post from one user with heat and battery issues, but it was from something running in the background keeping all 8 running at Max frequency and after a few days of trouble shooting and help from others in this forum , they figured it out. With 5.1 right around the corner and HTC also saying they are going to push Android M to this device , the only issue is getting them in a timely fashion. Also the fact HTC dropped the ball on marketing and shot them selves in the foot with releasing the m9 + in a select market upsetting the buyers who think a finger print scanner and a higher resolution screen (which anything over 1080 is only noticeably different on a 70+ inch screen) is what the standard is supposed to be. Not to mention the poor sales caused HTC to make a public apology causing them to promise a "hero" device to be released. What I love about xda is there will always be development even if the bandwagon jumps devices.
Again this is just my opinion, I respect everyone's opinion, but do like to see more than just the device gets hot or how a previous device with a year or more development runs better because of multiple software and radio updates.

These threads are dangerous. Troll fest ensuing.......

exocetdj said:
These threads are dangerous. Troll fest ensuing.......
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Is good to feed the trolls in moderation, it also helps from feeding them in meaningful threads. (which I did by accident the other day :crying: )

BUBBA DUB'S said:
Is good to feed the trolls in moderation, it also helps from feeding them in meaningful threads. (which I did by accident the other day :crying: )
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Lol true

And you were in what firmware? Even with the previous firmware, the max temperature that i achieved was 50 degrees using gps and charging on car.
And after the 401.8 update, everything runs cooler and smoother.
Just need to take a few shots and test the camera now.

@BUBBA DUB'S
Don't get me wrong m8, I respect each and everyone's opinion and I never argue about, but I just don't believe what those two are saying.
There are differences between: opinions - findings - lies.
What those two wrote falls in the last category, and this is also just my opinion.

BUBBA DUB'S said:
You still get heating issues with latest update? I'm sorry to hear that , have you checked to see if there are apps running in the background? Me personally with my device it never goes over 42c and it only gets that high after gaming and full brightness on screen. The hardware is beast mode in my opinion on this device, HTC just has to get their software up to spec (which I've heard 1.40 base is good and 5.1 should be just around the corner.)
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Upon checking background applications that are open, I've noticed HTC sense home was the cause of this heating issue. It is taking up the most resources, but is there a fix for this?Thanks so much for that reminder!
@LTE-X
Does your call drop too when the phone heats up? Because I was talking to someone on the phone few days ago and noticed that the phone disconnected the call while on perfect 4 bar signal.

It's fine if no one believes me, I will not make anyone believe something that they do not agree with. I am fine with that. I was just sharing solely my experiences with the device. I don't know why some of you PM me about the user AT7197 how the user has concurring opinion as me. I don't know that user, so please stop with the PM's that doesn't relate to me.
Here are more details that I should've specified:
1) The firmware I am running is version 1.40.401.3.
2) I've had two identical HTC M9 model. The one that I purchased and the one that the HTC support exchanged out. The new one that I received from support continues to heat up. HTC support is aware of this issue and released the firmware version 1.40.401.8 addressing this issue. I will update the OP after I receive the OTA in the future.

Camera is actually better than S6 in daylight since 1.40.
Yes heating can be annoying (but rarely) and can occur with any app but it's said that drivers for s810 are coming up with heat fix.
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Google Nexus 6P with Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 processor but which version?

What I was wondering that which version of Snapdragon 810 Huawei has used in Nexus 6P?
An updated version without heat problems or the same old 810 with overheating issues?
Sony Xperia Z5 uses the SD810 but it looks like it still has heat issues.
Can anyone confirm which version it has?
Nexus 6P comes without optical image stabilization, infrared port, wireless and fast battery charging...

Agent 47 said:
What I was wondering that which version of Snapdragon 810 Huawei has used in Nexus 6P?
An updated version without heat problems or the same old 810 with overheating issues?
Sony Xperia Z5 uses the SD810 but it looks like it still has heat issues.
Can anyone confirm which version it has?
Nexus 6P comes without optical image stabilization, infrared port, wireless and fast battery charging...
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It uses SD 810 v2.1 and it does have fast charging

According to the Oneplus 2 review from XDA, the 810 v 2.1 still overheats/throttles, so this Nexus could still have problems, since this one's not even downclocked. Hopefully it doesn't, and the aluminum body could help with heating issues. I preordered one, so if reviews come out before it's processed and problems still arise from 810, I might have to cancel. Hoping for the best though!

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo dispointed that long waited nexus 6 used snapdragon 810!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have to buy samsung edge or note 5....

Agent 47 said:
What I was wondering that which version of Snapdragon 810 Huawei has used in Nexus 6P?
An updated version without heat problems or the same old 810 with overheating issues?
Sony Xperia Z5 uses the SD810 but it looks like it still has heat issues.
Can anyone confirm which version it has?
Nexus 6P comes without optical image stabilization, infrared port, wireless and fast battery charging...
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As said above. It has the 810 V2.1. The original snapdragon 810 is the version 2.0. The 2.1 is slighlty faster and throttles less. However it's still got a reputation for heat issues as shown by the old Xperia z3+ and an anandtech article. The z5 also uses the 2.1 but uses a new dual copper pipe cooling system. I read a hands on by Engadget and they said it didn't have issues during their short time with it but we won't know until the reviews come out. It's possible they have done some heavy duty cooling modifications.

Looks like this will be the first Nexus that I skip.

Unfortunately, looks like I'll probably be skipping as well..The fact that they didn't really cover the processor at all suggest that they probably had issues with it. Or they would have at least said something generic like "And it comes with a fully optimized SD 810V2.1 64 bit processor."

51ice said:
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo dispointed that long waited nexus 6 used snapdragon 810!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have to buy samsung edge or note 5....
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Who are you?
Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk

What gpu does it sport?
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A

Xileforce said:
As said above. It has the 810 V2.1. The original snapdragon 810 is the version 2.0. The 2.1 is slighlty faster and throttles less. However it's still got a reputation for heat issues as shown by the old Xperia z3+ and an anandtech article. The z5 also uses the 2.1 but uses a new dual copper pipe cooling system. I read a hands on by Engadget and they said it didn't have issues during their short time with it but we won't know until the reviews come out. It's possible they have done some heavy duty cooling modifications.
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And according to another article and multiple successive benchmark runs, it doesn't.
That's why I got it - v2.1 took care of the heat.

There are plenty of articles to Google the heat issues are non factor unless you happen to buy a moto pure. Plenty of heat issues and battery drain from a crappy GPU over there.

Aridon said:
There are plenty of articles to Google the heat issues are non factor unless you happen to buy a moto pure. Plenty of heat issues and battery drain from a crappy GPU over there.
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The gpu is the same on all snapdragon 810 socs. I would guess most people wouldn't notice any heat issues in normal use. Maybe if you are playing 3d games or benchmarking. It also really depends on the cooling used. The xperia z3+ had issues recording 4k. While the new z5 with the same soc has no problems due to cooling. I would guess Google did some good stuff in terms of cooling. Additionally qcom said nearly all 810s that made it into production devices are the V2.1 including the m9. I'm not sure if that's from the start though. There's also undervolting which can help too. I wouldn't worry too much. It seems like all the newer 810 devices have taken actions to keep it cooler.
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moto x pure is actually snapdragon 808 not 810

The pure uses the 808.
As for heat and performance
https://www.androidpit.com/snapdragon-810-vs-808-is-8-cores-really-better-than-6
The pure gets hot just trying to push chrome and maps can drop battery by 1/3 in an hour. Serious issues and if you under clock the performance issues become even more serious. Great phone for people that don't use it. As for me I'll take the Big P.

I have the OPT and it still gets warm. Much better with ak kernel but on stock, it gets real warm but not burn your hands off hot.

Read some information by a reviewer said they couldn't get the phone hot or get it to throttle.
The big aluminum body dissipates heat.

AFAIK It uses S810 V3.

tech_head said:
Read some information by a reviewer said they couldn't get the phone hot or get it to throttle.
The big aluminum body dissipates heat.
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If anything, you'll feel more heat on a metal body and a glass backed body than a plastic body!

Aridon said:
There are plenty of articles to Google the heat issues are non factor unless you happen to buy a moto pure. Plenty of heat issues and battery drain from a crappy GPU over there.
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LNJ said:
If anything, you'll feel more heat on a metal body and a glass backed body than a plastic body!
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Well its a double edged sword. If my thinking is correct the metal, being a better conductor, will pull more heat away from the inside of the phone and dissipate it to the outside. That unfortunately means the device will actually feel hotter, but the internals would be cooler. Again that's just my two cents. I think of it sort of like a heatsink. The heatsink gets hot, but the SOC itself is cooler. Maybe I'm wrong though.

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Well its a double edged sword. If my thinking is correct the metal, being a better conductor, will pull more heat away from the inside of the phone and dissipate it to the outside. That unfortunately means the device will actually feel hotter, but the internals would be cooler. Again that's just my two cents. I think of it sort of like a heatsink. The heatsink gets hot, but the SOC itself is cooler. Maybe I'm wrong though.
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You're right, but the issue then is heat dissipation from the metal body. If you have it in a case, you're trapping the heat more as opposed to leaving the metal back bare and feeling the heat in your hands!

but according to people in articles that have used it. there is no heat, right? so we are safe and good to go? Right folks? ??

Optimal SD 810 Performance

What are your guys' methods to extract the best possible performance from the SD 810 in our Nexus 6p? I think everyone is aware that this chipset is prone to throttling extremely quickly for a mobile chip. I've experimented with massive underclocking both the big and little cores, changing governors, different kernels and other things. Unfortunately, I don't think it is possible to undervolt the 810. It's amazing that such a massive company like Qualcomm gave the go ahead to release a chip with such fundamental problems even if they were under pressure to release a 64 bit chip. Makes me think that they may value profits over their consumers experience.
So again I ask, what is your method of obtaining the best, no lag/stutter, performance out of our beloved Nexus 6p and it's infamous Snapdragon 810?

I did the hard thermal mod here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/guide-improve-cooling-greatly-reduce-t3323898
And use the thermal soft mod here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/development/cttmod-mm-t3386953
Even then, it will throttle during heavy gaming but nothing like before. It's rare I play long enough that it starts shutting down cores. Usually a half hour at a time. For my purposes it has all but eliminated thermal induced lag. Definitely shouldn't have to go through all that though lol.

To be honest things run great for me. It was the best they had to offer this past year. I'm not complaining. Best phone I've ever owned that's for sure
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk

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I did the hard thermal mod here:
And use the thermal soft mod here:
Even then, it will throttle during heavy gaming but nothing like before. It's rare I play long enough that it starts shutting down cores. Usually a half hour at a time. For my purposes it has all but eliminated thermal induced lag. Definitely shouldn't have to go through all that though lol.
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I think you may have forgotten to include the mod links in your post. If they provide the improvements that you described, I'll definitely be trying them out.

michaelearth said:
I think you may have forgotten to include the mod links in your post. If they provide the improvements that you described, I'll definitely be trying them out.
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I think you will change your mind when you see the hard mod :laugh:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/guide-improve-cooling-greatly-reduce-t3323898

This is the best phone ever created. There are absolutely no issues with the 810 because I've never personally had any. That means the issues don't exist. Don't ever talk bad about this phone because I spent my hard earned money on it so it's automatically the best. Just positive posts please.

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I think you may have forgotten to include the mod links in your post. If they provide the improvements that you described, I'll definitely be trying them out.
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Not sure why the links disappeared, but I added them back.

Im interested in getting the 810 to perform better. I had a snap dragon 610 phone that performed well and had battery life that would last all day. Is there a way to underclock the 810 down to how the 610 soc would run.

hawkswind1 said:
And use the thermal soft mod here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/development/cttmod-mm-t3386953
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I installed this mod several days ago and have noticed significant improvements regarding thermal throttling. The 810 still throttles but it helps delay it by a noticeable amount of time. Definitely recommend to anyone looking to improve performance.
Also, the dev is actively working to improve the mod so it can only get better from here on out.

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Im interested in getting the 810 to perform better. I had a snap dragon 610 phone that performed well and had battery life that would last all day. Is there a way to underclock the 810 down to how the 610 soc would run.
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Different soc, different architecture, im afraid not possible

Upgrading from Z5C, some concerns.

Hello,
Someone broke my Z5C and I'm now looking for a new phone.
I liked the form factor of the Z5C, but several things were "mehhh".
First of all, the fingerprint scanner wasn't working under certain conditions. I read here and there that it was mostly fixed and that the XC fingerprint sensor is much more accurate. Can you confirm ?
Secundo, the phone was overheating A LOT. I guess it had to do with the SoC. Is it fixed ? I don't know if it was related, but my phone randomly lagged (and would sometime reboot for no reason).
The amount of RAM was clearly not sufficient as apps would need to be restarted completely during multitasking.
Also, the screen was just "ok" for me. How deep are the blacks on the XC?
How slow is the camera to open? It was really unreliable on the Z5C for me. Can you turn off the "photo enhancement" feature that slows down the whole thing?
Concerning rooting, mods, etc.: I don't care about customizing if the ROM is good. The only thing I want is a root access. Is this something we achieve without losing any functionality on Nougat ?
And last concern... how often do you see people complaining about defective units ?
You've been using this device for several months now... so you should been able to tell me how well it survived!
I really want to love this phone, but tell me if there's anything you don't like about it!
Thank you in advance!

Stick with your Z5C, that's the phone I wish I'd have bought instead of this. In future I'll always opt for older premium over newer mid range.

XperienceD said:
Stick with your Z5C, that's the phone I wish I'd have bought instead of this. In future I'll always opt for older premium over newer mid range.
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Thank you for your answer.
Can you tell me what's wrong with your XC?
Because I don't know if I had a defective unit or not, but overall I wouldn't recommend the Z5C for the reasons I gave in my OP.

I've had my ZC for about 2 months now and it's my favorite phone to date. Got tired of the huge screen phones, my last being the oneplusone.
The fingerprint scanner only works if you flash the uk firmware from what I've seen. I have not gotten around to it yet so I can't say how well it work but from my reading everyone says it works well.
I have had 0 overheating issues. It barely gets warm.
Honestly I love this phone. It's fast, has every feature I wanted and is the form factor I wanted also.
The ONLY thing I really hate about this phone is sony made it out of the slipperiest material on earth, but with a case/skin that goes away.

evoliofly said:
Hello,
Someone broke my Z5C and I'm now looking for a new phone.
I liked the form factor of the Z5C, but several things were "mehhh".
First of all, the fingerprint scanner wasn't working under certain conditions. I read here and there that it was mostly fixed and that the XC fingerprint sensor is much more accurate. Can you confirm ?
Secundo, the phone was overheating A LOT. I guess it had to do with the SoC. Is it fixed ? I don't know if it was related, but my phone randomly lagged (and would sometime reboot for no reason).
The amount of RAM was clearly not sufficient as apps would need to be restarted completely during multitasking.
Also, the screen was just "ok" for me. How deep are the blacks on the XC?
How slow is the camera to open? It was really unreliable on the Z5C for me. Can you turn off the "photo enhancement" feature that slows down the whole thing?
Concerning rooting, mods, etc.: I don't care about customizing if the ROM is good. The only thing I want is a root access. Is this something we achieve without losing any functionality on Nougat ?
And last concern... how often do you see people complaining about defective units ?
You've been using this device for several months now... so you should been able to tell me how well it survived!
I really want to love this phone, but tell me if there's anything you don't like about it!
Thank you in advance!
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Can't comment on everything but I can answer a couple.
First off the phone doesn't over heat, ever. It may get a little warm at times but that's only if playing a ton of videos. And when I say a ton I mean from 100% battery down to zero. The Z5C chipset has always had heat issues. Granted it's not Sony's fault all phones had heat issues that used the 810. That's why Qualcomm was so quick to move away from the 810 back in the day when it first released. The XC uses a 650 which is basically the same thing as the 810 but it doesn't overheat. That being said it also has an extra gig of ram compared to the Z5C so it's a little snappier too imo. Granted the Z5C and the XC are both very close to one another.
I have never had an issue with the fingerprint sensor on the XC. As stated above you will need to flash the UK firmware to get it to work though. Has something to do with a patent dispute between Sony and whoever in the US at the moment.
Overall you can't go wrong either way. It sounds like you had a lot of issues with your Z5C so switching to the XC is probably worth a shot as it has dropped in price quite a bit since release. I have had mine since late October and haven't had an issue with it so far. Plus I am willing to bet the Z5C is coming to an end as far as Android updates go as to where the XC should at the very least get a bump up to 7.1 at some point if not more.

evoliofly said:
Thank you for your answer.
Can you tell me what's wrong with your XC?
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The colour first of all, it's blue, not Universe "Black", the icon on the power button is upside down, can't connect wireless to my PC and curved edges that makes applying a screen protector a real PITA.

XperienceD said:
the icon on the power button is upside down
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The icon on the z5c is exactly the same, for what it's worth.
We have both xc and z5c. I lean towards the xc because it lasts longer per charge. It also seems to run cooler. It doesn't look as nice as the z5c, but I am not as worried about damaging it

I had a z5c, and switched to XC back in sep 2016, every 'issue' you mention has been fixed on XC. The fingerprint sensor is better, so is the screen. It would be odd otherwise.
The biggest flav of the z5c though is the a57 cores (the performance cluster of z5c) is the first 64bit soc rushed out to complete with apple that had just released their 64bit soc and lets be honest this core is notorious for overheating, my raspberry pi uses 4 of them too and both can not sustain their highest clock without getting insanely hot and throttle back the clock. I realize this only happens if you play games or do a synthetic stress test, use poorly coded apps like Facebook etc, most normal os operation only produces spikes which keeps the throttling down. Imho this is a horrible core compared with the a72. The power efficiency is also as you can imagine way better, I get alot more out of a single charge on this phone than I did with the z5c and it never gets hot, maybe a little handwarm if you play games or keep the screen on for hours like watching several movies. Nowhere near the z5c which was worryingly at times.
That's not to say I did not like the z5c but overall the XC is a great improvement in any aspect just as it is supposed to be.
The colour first of all, it's blue, not Universe "Black"
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Have you ever looked up at night ? Its not completely black either, its like a blackisblue. Furthermore I like it inside its black and outside you can see a different very dark blue color depending from which angle the light hits it. I am pretty sure it is on purpose and why its called universe black. I agree whether you like it or not is another matter.
can't connect wireless to my PC
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Care to elaborate? Because like this guy I could not find an option in my phone either. This is the official answer from sony:
The feature to transfer files using Media transfer mode via Wi-Fi® has been removed in the Xperia™ Z4 Tablet and the Xperia™ Z5 series. Moreover, the Media transfer mode will not be available in Xperia™ Companion, the new tool that is replacing PC Companion, because Windows® 8.1 has removed the trigger menu.
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But perhaps you mean something else?

Thank you everyone for your answers! You would be very good salesmen!
The Z5C was a bad experience, but I hope that this one will last me as long as my Nexus 4 did!
I bought it from a third-party seller on Amazon and should receive it in 2 weeks.
Also, I wanted to buy the black one at first... but the white one was cheaper, so I went for it (and I may even like it more in the end).

the camera opens in around 1 sec, 0.6 sec according to sony btw. I also dislike the photo enhancement that takes forever to apply and sharpen the image even on zxs. this is because sony decided to not use the performance cluster in the album app (I have no idea what they bumped their heads into) but as you I do not like it anyway as it over sharpens pictures and is way to aggressive. thankfully it can be disabled and pictures sharpen normally up in a instant, if I want to add more pow or adjust the colors etc I use a tool designed for that, usually i find the photo editor to be sufficient.
Good luck. I hope it serves you well. Initially i was sceptic too until I actually used it. (ie not just standing in a store flicking back and forth in the demo mode)

I didnt have time to read other comments but let me share my experience with you
Im a guy who changes phone after phone and a heavy android user but because I like to change phones I mostly buy good midrangers.
anyway this is the only phone that I have used it for more than 6 months( its almost 9) beside xperia sp some years ago.
The design really feels good in hand - but it gets scratches very easily so u might wanna look for a back protector or cover.
The performance is liquid smooth you are not gonna see any lags only if its app related, but I wished it was a better processor anyway.
Screen quality is super awesome you will enjoy looking at it every single time you use it.
Cpu have never went more than 45 C degrees but keep in mind that its a 28nm processor.
battery life is good goes up to 2 days with normal use
app loadings speed is perfect havent seen any better phone in this price range
fingerprint sensor is very good gets your id even with a little touch
speakers are not that good I can say that and Im noticing some wizzing noises sometimes...
in the end I really suggest you to buy it cause its way better than z5c and dont buy it only if you would go for XZ premium!
Just watch out for defective units there seem to be more than normal...
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Edit: I forgot to say the phone is waterproof I tested it myself but no body will answer you if you damage it because its not official...

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