What I was wondering that which version of Snapdragon 810 Huawei has used in Nexus 6P?
An updated version without heat problems or the same old 810 with overheating issues?
Sony Xperia Z5 uses the SD810 but it looks like it still has heat issues.
Can anyone confirm which version it has?
Nexus 6P comes without optical image stabilization, infrared port, wireless and fast battery charging...
Agent 47 said:
What I was wondering that which version of Snapdragon 810 Huawei has used in Nexus 6P?
An updated version without heat problems or the same old 810 with overheating issues?
Sony Xperia Z5 uses the SD810 but it looks like it still has heat issues.
Can anyone confirm which version it has?
Nexus 6P comes without optical image stabilization, infrared port, wireless and fast battery charging...
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It uses SD 810 v2.1 and it does have fast charging
According to the Oneplus 2 review from XDA, the 810 v 2.1 still overheats/throttles, so this Nexus could still have problems, since this one's not even downclocked. Hopefully it doesn't, and the aluminum body could help with heating issues. I preordered one, so if reviews come out before it's processed and problems still arise from 810, I might have to cancel. Hoping for the best though!
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo dispointed that long waited nexus 6 used snapdragon 810!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have to buy samsung edge or note 5....
Agent 47 said:
What I was wondering that which version of Snapdragon 810 Huawei has used in Nexus 6P?
An updated version without heat problems or the same old 810 with overheating issues?
Sony Xperia Z5 uses the SD810 but it looks like it still has heat issues.
Can anyone confirm which version it has?
Nexus 6P comes without optical image stabilization, infrared port, wireless and fast battery charging...
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As said above. It has the 810 V2.1. The original snapdragon 810 is the version 2.0. The 2.1 is slighlty faster and throttles less. However it's still got a reputation for heat issues as shown by the old Xperia z3+ and an anandtech article. The z5 also uses the 2.1 but uses a new dual copper pipe cooling system. I read a hands on by Engadget and they said it didn't have issues during their short time with it but we won't know until the reviews come out. It's possible they have done some heavy duty cooling modifications.
Looks like this will be the first Nexus that I skip.
Unfortunately, looks like I'll probably be skipping as well..The fact that they didn't really cover the processor at all suggest that they probably had issues with it. Or they would have at least said something generic like "And it comes with a fully optimized SD 810V2.1 64 bit processor."
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Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo dispointed that long waited nexus 6 used snapdragon 810!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have to buy samsung edge or note 5....
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Who are you?
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What gpu does it sport?
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As said above. It has the 810 V2.1. The original snapdragon 810 is the version 2.0. The 2.1 is slighlty faster and throttles less. However it's still got a reputation for heat issues as shown by the old Xperia z3+ and an anandtech article. The z5 also uses the 2.1 but uses a new dual copper pipe cooling system. I read a hands on by Engadget and they said it didn't have issues during their short time with it but we won't know until the reviews come out. It's possible they have done some heavy duty cooling modifications.
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And according to another article and multiple successive benchmark runs, it doesn't.
That's why I got it - v2.1 took care of the heat.
There are plenty of articles to Google the heat issues are non factor unless you happen to buy a moto pure. Plenty of heat issues and battery drain from a crappy GPU over there.
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There are plenty of articles to Google the heat issues are non factor unless you happen to buy a moto pure. Plenty of heat issues and battery drain from a crappy GPU over there.
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The gpu is the same on all snapdragon 810 socs. I would guess most people wouldn't notice any heat issues in normal use. Maybe if you are playing 3d games or benchmarking. It also really depends on the cooling used. The xperia z3+ had issues recording 4k. While the new z5 with the same soc has no problems due to cooling. I would guess Google did some good stuff in terms of cooling. Additionally qcom said nearly all 810s that made it into production devices are the V2.1 including the m9. I'm not sure if that's from the start though. There's also undervolting which can help too. I wouldn't worry too much. It seems like all the newer 810 devices have taken actions to keep it cooler.
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moto x pure is actually snapdragon 808 not 810
The pure uses the 808.
As for heat and performance
https://www.androidpit.com/snapdragon-810-vs-808-is-8-cores-really-better-than-6
The pure gets hot just trying to push chrome and maps can drop battery by 1/3 in an hour. Serious issues and if you under clock the performance issues become even more serious. Great phone for people that don't use it. As for me I'll take the Big P.
I have the OPT and it still gets warm. Much better with ak kernel but on stock, it gets real warm but not burn your hands off hot.
Read some information by a reviewer said they couldn't get the phone hot or get it to throttle.
The big aluminum body dissipates heat.
AFAIK It uses S810 V3.
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Read some information by a reviewer said they couldn't get the phone hot or get it to throttle.
The big aluminum body dissipates heat.
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If anything, you'll feel more heat on a metal body and a glass backed body than a plastic body!
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There are plenty of articles to Google the heat issues are non factor unless you happen to buy a moto pure. Plenty of heat issues and battery drain from a crappy GPU over there.
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If anything, you'll feel more heat on a metal body and a glass backed body than a plastic body!
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Well its a double edged sword. If my thinking is correct the metal, being a better conductor, will pull more heat away from the inside of the phone and dissipate it to the outside. That unfortunately means the device will actually feel hotter, but the internals would be cooler. Again that's just my two cents. I think of it sort of like a heatsink. The heatsink gets hot, but the SOC itself is cooler. Maybe I'm wrong though.
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Well its a double edged sword. If my thinking is correct the metal, being a better conductor, will pull more heat away from the inside of the phone and dissipate it to the outside. That unfortunately means the device will actually feel hotter, but the internals would be cooler. Again that's just my two cents. I think of it sort of like a heatsink. The heatsink gets hot, but the SOC itself is cooler. Maybe I'm wrong though.
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You're right, but the issue then is heat dissipation from the metal body. If you have it in a case, you're trapping the heat more as opposed to leaving the metal back bare and feeling the heat in your hands!
but according to people in articles that have used it. there is no heat, right? so we are safe and good to go? Right folks? ??
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Hey,
Is anyone experiencing heating issues with their handset? I've just been reading on GSM that a lot of people are complaining.
Yes, its an issue.
http://www.xperiablog.net/2015/06/10/japanese-xperia-z4-owners-complain-of-heat-issues/
up to 60 and higher lol
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Yes, its an issue.
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Do you have it
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Do you have it
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I don't have a Z3+ (I have a Z3C), but I've read this:
Japanese Xperia Z4 owners complain of heat issues
followed by this:
Sony responds to Xperia Z3+ heating issues
Sony statement on Xperia Z3+ heating concerns
“The Xperia Z3+ is a high-performance 64-bit octa-core device with advanced camera technology, in some cases, additional heat can cause functions to stop. Enabling applications can also be felt by the user through the glass on the back. This is normal for the unit and should cause no concern.”
We need a reputable source to do an actual review of the production device.
Wtf
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We need a reputable source to do an actual review of the production device.
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Who is more reputable than Sony THEMSELVES, the ACTUAL manufacturers of the phone???
This is a big worry, was thinking of buying the z3+ but now might get the z3 idk. I was really excited for the z3+ but if the overheating is such an issue to the point where Japanese markets are advising their consumers to "use your tablet or pc instead of your phone if you can". I mean i shouldn't have to worry about these kind of stuff esp for a PREMIUM phone. Very disappointed
If we are reading the same quote from Sony, they are not stating there is an overheat issue. Heat generation is normal. I have this problem on my z2 when recording in 4k.
Look at this,
Already test z3+ for long time just normal heat
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Sory dopost for becaue this picture
Xerxess, Please, try to run some game, Nfs, or Real racing 3, for example, and to play it for a 15-20 mins, and then look at the temp, if device won't turn off earlier of course And also, could you, please, try to use camera and video recording , and then report about a device heating to us, please
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AR Mask app can shut down to prevent heating issues in under a minute. It was fine on prototype firmware, so something has been changed for the worse there..
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My Z2 has a heating problem, but its not at high level. Shoul I do troubleshoot it ?
@xerxess, kindly let us know what firmware version your Z3+ is on.
I'm curious to find out if any of you reporting heating issues are running any apps to undercloak the CPU. Even my AT&T Galaxy S5 runs very hot if I dont use anything to undercloak or even use Power Saver at leat. I can run my phone with two cores on and two cores off undercloaked at 1.2 Ghz. What I'm saying here is try to run the phone with 4 coes online and 4 off, and undercloak all 4 cores at say 1.5 Ghz. I bet the heating issues would decrease if not go away all together. Obviously why buy a V8 if u are going to run it like a 4 cilynder right??? But we are talking about an issue here, that obviously e en the manufactures are aware of. Otherwise the camera app or other apps would not close when the temp gets up there. All they are doing at that point is turning off cores and undercloaking the ones that are one to prevent any more heat build up. And that allows the system in ur phone to dissipate the heat more efficiently. Any thoughts?
I don't have any overheating issues with my z3+. I havent played a game on it but I used it for a navigation while plugged in, where i would expect to heat up a lot. I mean it heats up a bit but what xperia z doesnt?
I am suspecting all the fuss may be coming from guerrilla marketing ploys from one of Sony's competitors. The Z4/Z3+ really is the best flagship phone in terms of design. SD810 has been in the market (via M9 and G4) and this issue coverage is only overblown with Sony's new phone.
So I just tried to play real racing 3 for 20 minutes while on charger and yes, the phone is hot but my old Z1 was the same way. It didnt crash or anything due to overheating.
btw. you can always put it into water to cool it down
I own the xperia z4 tablet wifi for some days now. Have tested it extensively over the weekend and can truly state that it has NO heating issue. Just played real racing 3 for about half an hour and the tablet gets moderately warm. NO crashes.
And no, i do not work for Sony.
Share your thoughts, are you concerned about this "new version" S810 V2.1 and any overheating issues?
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seems none of the phones with SD810 has a satisfactory performance, let alone z3+'s dreadful nightmare..
I feel this will repeat Sony's terror with the Z3+. They felt they "fixed" the problem as well but fell flat on their face.
The only thing that gives me a glimmer of hope is that with the little(big?) bits of bad press about CS and build quality they really WILL try to make this phone different because otherwise their company may be dead in the water, especially since the 1+2 will be at a higher pricepoint than their consumer base is used to. Any failure on their part will be cannibalised by everyone.
Lets hope that Oneplus has right about praising the new revision of 810 . But I am not afraid because there will be hopefully a lot of kernel builders who can also work on possible issues
They're underclocking it a tiny bit and it sounds like they're using a magnesium frame with graphite thermal interface.
Too early to worry about SD810 issues until a sample tested.
I'll be waiting for reviews. Apparently the Z3+ uses the 2.1 revision too so that doesn't give me much hope, but OnePlus's may or may not tame the beast.
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I'll be waiting for reviews. Apparently the Z3+ uses the 2.1 revision too so that doesn't give me much hope, but OnePlus's may or may not tame the beast.
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Xiaomi Note Pro also ran 2.1 and had patents for a "specialized" thermal system especially designed for Snapdragon 810 2.1 -- which fell flat on its face. Runaway thermals.
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Xiaomi Note Pro also ran 2.1 and had patents for a "specialized" thermal system especially designed for Snapdragon 810 2.1 -- which fell flat on its face. Runaway thermals.
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Ouch!! I really hoped that the 1+2's solution (magnesium frame functioning like an additional radiator) was nowhere else to be found...
Well... then I am a lil bit worried and will wait for the first reviews before buying one (I've heard we need AGAIN to jump through hoops and will still need to beg for invites ? )
I'm very worried, if a huge corp like Xiaomi can't get it right, how is a small team like OnePlus going to?
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I'm very worried, if a huge corp like Xiaomi can't get it right, how is a small team like OnePlus going to?
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They wont't. Just like they never fixed yellow bending on 1+1, or touchscreen issues.
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I never had any touchscreen issues, and my yellowing disappeared after a couple of days. I was just disappointed by the washed out low brightness screen and the really bad camera
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I never had any touchscreen issues, and my yellowing disappeared after a couple of days. I was just disappointed by the washed out low brightness screen and the really bad camera
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Probably because you root it and flash custom roms.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ItrVTqKO7k&feature=youtu.be
Very informative video about 810
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I'll be waiting for reviews. Apparently the Z3+ uses the 2.1 revision too so that doesn't give me much hope, but OnePlus's may or may not tame the beast.
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Both revisions are the same ...
AFAIK, they only merge/*add small changes on software level.
The main thing that , 1+ can/will/ or did, is adjust the CPU throttling and maybe add better heat sink(s).
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Both revisions are the same ...
AFAIK, they only merge/*add small changes on software level.
The main thing that , 1+ can/will/ or did, is adjust the CPU throttling and maybe add better heat sink(s).
cheers
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Wrong, there are some hardware changes from v2 and v2.1: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9388/comparing-snapdragon-810-v2-and-v21
The most significant changes is memory bandwidth within the cache of the SoC, which should feed the CPU and GPU better.
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Xiaomi Note Pro also ran 2.1 and had patents for a "specialized" thermal system especially designed for Snapdragon 810 2.1 -- which fell flat on its face. Runaway thermals.
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HTC M9 solved it. They have better thermals than LG G4. See notebookcheck.net reviews for both devices. Not optimal but still maintains better performance than S808.
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Wrong, there are some hardware changes from v2 and v2.1: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9388/comparing-snapdragon-810-v2-and-v21
The most significant changes is memory bandwidth within the cache of the SoC, which should feed the CPU and GPU better.
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Hi
Sorry for the late reply.
No. your wrong, it's all on SW level.
Time will (hopefully) confirm it.
Adjusting throttling, and hotplug / arm SoC policies, has nothing to do with Hardware.
In the mean time, one of my co-workers, got one for reviewing purposes .
USB: Is so damm slow, the type C is just for marketing purposes, it's still cap at 2.x
Front camera: Just...bad
Cpu scalling: slow and not very well optimized
And some other issues concerning this device, i know the software can (will ? ) be improved, but for my standards the device is bad.
I quit this one. And will be giving away my invite.
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HTC M9 solved it. They have better thermals than LG G4. See notebookcheck.net reviews for both devices. Not optimal but still maintains better performance than S808.
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I can confirm this. I got an M9 yesterday to replace my S6. I know it sounds weird, but I think of it as an upgrade. The S6 was fast on paper but painfully slow at times during normal usage. App launch time was great, but UI lagginess, awful design and general unresponsiveness lead me to opt for the M9, especially after reading great reports about the latest SW updates.
The 810 in the M9 is cooler than the S6, I can guarantee you. Any semi-intense app on the S6 made the CPU jump to absurd temperatures (80+ degrees C) and the device got extremely hot on the metal frame.
The M9 gets evenly warmish, and CPU management is spot on as it never goes full throttle when doing basic tasks like browsing (unlike some other phones).
To sum it up, I wouldn't worry too much about the S810, it seems to run just fine on the M9.
Hi guys
I'm thinking of buying a Z5 Premium or the normal Version coming from a Note 4 before that
I wanted to ask how your experience is with the z5 Premium how is heat with the device I heard the snapdragon 810 did a lot of problems with other devices. How is battery hold up,please tell me about your overall experience with the device
The heat on my Z5 is more or less the same as my old Z2.
With exactly the same usage, my Z3+ heats a lot worse compared to my new Z5 Premium (an obvious example is when I install many apps at the same time, Z3+ will be very hot in such a short time while Z5 Premium will stay a bit warm).
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Hi guys
I'm thinking of buying a Z5 Premium or the normal Version coming from a Note 4 before that
I wanted to ask how your experience is with the z5 Premium how is heat with the device I heard the snapdragon 810 did a lot of problems with other devices. How is battery hold up,please tell me about your overall experience with the device
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This phone gets hot as Hell! Honestly I just started setting up a few apps on it and a custom background. All while streaming xm radio and keeping my screen" on live wallpaper with my old zultra.Both screens were at half brightness, however this z5p def. Runs much hotter! The battery it's also pretty disappointing. One of the main reasons I purchased it was got the larger mah's, but it seems to be draining just as fast as my old phone. I haven't even fully charged out yet so hopefully after a few cycles it'll improve!
The demo versions ive used got warm only when playing games or using the camera
Aside that a freinds Z5 was always hot but both her and I have had heating issues but this was because of google photos and after removal found that my device ran alot cooler vs hers strangely being warm constantly
I plan on buying my self this phone soon as ive seen alot of reviews saying that although having a Snapdragon 810 it doesnt get as hot as expected
I've only noticed heat:
When watching 4k videos
Playing games
Installing multiple apps
Downloading big files.
And tbh the heat isn't that bad it worries me, just warm to the upper definition of the word.
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the heat issue is known by Qualcomm Snapdragon company who made this octa core 810 processor they confirmed that heat issue is due to their cpu so atm there is no way to solve this yet :/ but i do say z3 did heat more than z5 premium.
Looks like combination of the XZ design and features and X processor and lack of waterproofing. I'm not sure this is a win for those of us with Z3C's looking to upgrade. The first review from Digital Trends doesn't exactly paint a favorable experience with the devices either.
"It’s a shame, then, that collective weight of all the XZ’s little shortcomings ultimately drag it down. The design is unrefined. The software is strangely unresponsive. The camera is a disappointment, as are the speakers. And the handset lacks basics practically ubiquitous in its category — namely waterproofing and a fingerprint sensor {US Version}."
Read more: http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/sony-xperia-xz-hands-on/#ixzz4J17CcPOZ
Mmmm, I think you'd be better of buying the Z5 compact. It cost's less here in the Netherlands, and you'll have a high end processor and waterproof phone. Only downside is 1 gb less of memory, but for me 2gb of ram is sufficient.
The end of mini flagships....
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Mmmm, I think you'd be better of buying the Z5 compact. It cost's less here in the Netherlands, and you'll have a high end processor and waterproof phone. Only downside is 1 gb less of memory, but for me 2gb of ram is sufficient.
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Actually snapdragon 650 is better than 810.
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Actually snapdragon 650 is better than 810.
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Not better, but comparable. They both offer similar benchmarking scores
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Not better, but comparable. They both offer similar benchmarking scores
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Yes but 810 throttles and heats up a lot which means you will never use it at full potential.
Looks to me so far the only replacement for a z3c is a new z3c?
5,2" and they call it "compact" xDDD
I miss Mini Pro times
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5,2" and they call it "compact" xDDD
I miss Mini Pro times
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That's the XZ.
The X compact is 4.6".
I was determined to buy X compact when Engadget preview said besides SD 650 it has the same water-resistant chassis as XZ...turned out to be a mistake and now they have corrected it.
Really, Sony, is it that difficult to get the right thing done?
When I was about to buy z3c I was excited for that waterproofing, but in reality I have used it just 3 times (for more than a year) once was for testing, and twice when I got drunk and threw it in a glass of water
However, lack of that should make the build quality better (*cough* screen peeling off *cough*).
And as for the SD650, the main talking point, it will perform very well on a 4.6" 720p device and it will be surely efficient. It was pointed out by users of Moto X and Redmi Note 3 Pro that it is snappy and battery friendly.
You really don't need to max out clock speed to avoid lags and keep it smooth... I'm using tweaked interactive governor, that goes to 1.57 ghz as max, and most of the time it's at 1.19 mhz and lower.
The X compact looks really nice (for my taste), and it's actually a good package, the problem with it is that picture quality is going to be sub-par based on initial samples (+ based on experience with Sony's post processing) and it will be expensive.
Lack of water / dust resistance means its not something i would buy. While i am not looking for a "rugged" phone, having had one die after dropping in the toilet the IP68 rating is important. Sony FAIL on this one. Much sadness.
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Lack of water / dust resistance means its not something i would buy. While i am not looking for a "rugged" phone, having had one die after dropping in the toilet the IP68 rating is important. Sony FAIL on this one. Much sadness.
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With all due respect, having dropped your phone in the toilet means you should be a bit more careful with it, not that a waterproof device is a necessity
Cirra92 said:
With all due respect, having dropped your phone in the toilet means you should be a bit more careful with it, not that a waterproof device is a necessity
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Look and ask around friend. There are a lot more people than you may think who have killed phones that way. Its not that hard for it to slip out of a pocket. And anyway, i work out doors a lot in all kinds of weather. To drop the IP68 rating is silly of Sony, but hey, companies to silly things sometime. Be interesting to seehow much in terms of $ / phone they save by doing this. I suspect, not many.
Lol literally just bought another one. I'm cool with this phone still. Still love it and dev community still going.
Sony has gone to ****.
Have prices been announced for it yet? If it's more than the Z5 Compact, then I would probably upgrade to that instead. Despite the Snapdragon 810, Sony is one of the few manufacturers that seemed to be able to wrangle the heat. So unless that S650 gets phenomenal battery life (I'm talking better than the Z3C) and can match performance of the Z5C, I see little reason to go with it over the Z5C. And judging from the way that the full sized X compared with the full sized Z5, I'm not expecting it to do so:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Sony-Xperia-X-Smartphone-Review.170397.0.html
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That's the XZ.
The X compact is 4.6".
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My bad
thanks
Since I drifted away from masturbating on benchmark scores when deciding on upgrading my phone and started to value actual practical aspects of the phone, I found this announcement laughable. I watched the hands on review and every time a feature was pointed out I was able to say that I already have that one. Newer CPU and more ram is an insignificant change, at least from my point of view, I'd be able to not play games or simulate protein folding even faster.
I don't need a new phone and I don't care about the current market, yet it really puzzles me, why a completely new phone, the successor to the successor of my current one, is arguably the very same thing?
Camera is still so-so, selfie camera is not a big deal, z3c CPU is still enough, 1 gig of ram is not a deal breaker, what's left on the table?
now that you guys have seen the new moto, what do you think? would you buy it?
the buzz killer a bit for me is the deleted 3.5mm headphone jack
well it's estimated that moto z2 force is gonna cost for apx $621.49/- which i personally think is costly and not worth it
pros:
snapdragon 835(faster ovbio.. u will get updates more quicker & better performance)
dual camera (which is good feature)
shaterproof screen (nice)
5.5 quadhd amoled (nice)
cons:
battery (2730mAh) not worth
no audio jack (upto you)
moto mods... (too costly)
4GB ram... (one plus 5 has released phones upto 8GB and moto still at 4GB)
wall charger now gives 12W instead of 20W power (won't charge quick like moto x style/pure)
final review: just look and think. if i was you i would have not wasted my $621.49/- for this. instead i would have got a new and better phone
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well it's estimated that moto z2 force is gonna cost for apx $621.49/- which i personally think is costly and not worth it
pros:
snapdragon 835(faster ovbio.. u will get updates more quicker & better performance)
dual camera (which is good feature)
shaterproof screen (nice)
5.5 quadhd amoled (nice)
cons:
battery (2730mAh) not worth
no audio jack (upto you)
moto mods... (too costly)
4GB ram... (one plus 5 has released phones upto 8GB and moto still at 4GB)
wall charger now gives 12W instead of 20W power (won't charge quick like moto x style/pure)
final review: just look and think. if i was you i would have not wasted my $621.49/- for this. instead i would have got a new and better phone
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the pure has 5.7 quad HD screen
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the pure has 5.7 quad HD screen
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but its isp whereas the z2 force is amoled
2700 mah on a snapdragon 835. I don't know what motorola is thinking about but is way above the average for a 2017 flagship. It is a ridiculous decision from a ridiculous company.
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2700 mah on a snapdragon 835. I don't know what motorola is thinking about but is way above the average for a 2017 flagship. It is a ridiculous decision from a ridiculous company.
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Agreed. 100%. I'll link the Reddit thread about why the Z2 force sucks for what it is.
yeah ill be more concerned about the battery because once your using all those apps on that 4gb of ram and it gets close to max... that battery is going to be shot.
had they included 6gb of ram i may have been more willing to buy it
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yeah ill be more concerned about the battery because once your using all those apps on that 4gb of ram and it gets close to max... that battery is going to be shot.
had they included 6gb of ram i may have been more willing to buy it
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Umm... What? Why would having 2, 4, or 6 GB of RAM have any relation to battery life? That doesn't make any sense... personally I just don't like it because the battery is too small, period.
The Moto Z play was a phone whose quality construction was the worst. The back "glass" scratched with only seeyin it, the cámera lens wasn't even scratch prof so it gets scratched too. The screen was mounted in a way that with a 10cm fall it break in 10 pieces. Lenovo chose to save cents in a 450 USD phone just putting in it the worse materials ever.
Eveen with this in mind it is a phone wich become a sales record just for his amazin battery life, like 12 hours of SoT in some cases.
Now what is even even even more amazing that what they did with the Z2 force, is how they cut the battery of the Z Play in their Z Play 2, to release a phone a little bit tiny with almost the same processor, the same screen and similar cameras, justo to price it 150 U$D more. Not only they cut the battery mAh in 600mah, it doesn't last even the half of the Z Play wich was a succes for his battery life. All of this just to gain 1mm less Lol.
Really i don't know what they are thinking about, maybe they think they are going to sell more mods in this way but only a monkey will pay so much for a phone that much overpriced with poor battery life. To this just add the shi**y customer services and support they had. I am just crossing my fingers for Nokia to come worldwide.
The battery isn't too bad since it's less than 10% smaller than the Pure's with the addition of a more efficient processor and an AMOLED display help balance it out
The extra memory is nice, but it won't make too much of a difference in the day to day use that I have
The shatter-proof display is really cool, but it's plastic and can be scratched so easily, at that point I'd rather have a glass screen and a screen protector
I could never see myself buying a moto mod because of them being too pricey along with me preferring to have a case on at all times
The dual camera thing is nice, but I'm perfectly satisfied with the single camera on the Pure. The Camera bump is also terrible and I'd hate to deal with that if I couldn't have a case on
The lack of dual front facing speakers is a pretty big downside for me, but I'd be willing to deal with it if the phone had more pros
I personally hate the way Moto has implemented the fingerprint scanner since it can't be used as a home button and the software buttons are still there just wasting screen real-estate
It's being shipped with an already out of date version of Nougat (7.1.1) and then it'll get O and (maybe) P. The only thing I would be happy about in regards to the updates is the possibility of them being delivered more quickly
Finally, the price. Assuming that everyone here that is thinking about switching from the Pure, (based on the current prices from Swappa and Ebay) you'll probably get about $200 from a 16GB used Pure. Then you could get it for about $520 (assuming that you buy the phone for $720). Ultimately, this is a bad deal and nowhere near worth it for me
acejavelin said:
Umm... What? Why would having 2, 4, or 6 GB of RAM have any relation to battery life? That doesn't make any sense... personally I just don't like it because the battery is too small, period.
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come on... you know as memory gets closer to capacity it draws more power
Jonathanlc2005 said:
come on... you know as memory gets closer to capacity it draws more power
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Lol... Sure, ok
Jonathanlc2005 said:
come on... you know as memory gets closer to capacity it draws more power
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Please show me where you for your information because pretty sure you're wrong.
xantanion said:
Please show me where you for your information because pretty sure you're wrong.
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well... you tell me. why dont you prove me wrong. do 2 runs. with no timeout and max brightness.
using a task manager run a phone with 90% ram like clash of clans and a bunch of other **** and run another one with less than 50%
Jonathanlc2005 said:
well... you tell me. why dont you prove me wrong. do 2 runs. with no timeout and max brightness.
using a task manager run a phone with 90% ram like clash of clans and a bunch of other **** and run another one with less than 50%
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So now you're bringing screen brightness into this? Lol
Jonathanlc2005 said:
well... you tell me. why dont you prove me wrong. do 2 runs. with no timeout and max brightness.
using a task manager run a phone with 90% ram like clash of clans and a bunch of other **** and run another one with less than 50%
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You are likely missing an important piece here... those apps running, are RUNNING, in other words they are doing stuff like accessing the processor, sensors, storage, etc.
[troll]Logic says your thought that having more RAM's reduces power consumption is flawed... if anything it is the opposite, more RAM will likely require more power because the more stuff in RAM, the more things running and doing stuff, thus using more battery.[/troll]
Sorry, but this topic has been debated to death since different RAM variants of otherwise identical Android devices came out and the consensus is that the amount of RAM in otherwise similar devices has no noticeable impact on battery consumption... Do you see reviews where a difference in battery life is noted between say the Moto G5 Plus 2/32GB and 4/64GB models, the OP5's 6GB or 8GB variant, or the Redmi Note 4 which comes in a 2, 3, and 4GB variant? No... why? Because there is no difference in battery consumption. There is potential of difference for many other things related specifically to RAM, but not battery life.
Show me a review or article that is from a verifiable, reputable source that states the contrary and explains WHY it would take more power and I will gladly read it.
There is also the piece we haven't mentioned, that a device should never have more than 10-15% of free RAM anyway... this is a Linux based OS, meaning free RAM is wasted RAM.
acejavelin said:
You are likely missing an important piece here... those apps running, are RUNNING, in other words they are doing stuff like accessing the processor, sensors, storage, etc.
[troll]Logic says your thought that having more RAM's reduces power consumption is flawed... if anything it is the opposite, more RAM will likely require more power because the more stuff in RAM, the more things running and doing stuff, thus using more battery.[/troll]
Sorry, but this topic has been debated to death since different RAM variants of otherwise identical Android devices came out and the consensus is that the amount of RAM in otherwise similar devices has no noticeable impact on battery consumption... Do you see reviews where a difference in battery life is noted between say the Moto G5 Plus 2/32GB and 4/64GB models, the OP5's 6GB or 8GB variant, or the Redmi Note 4 which comes in a 2, 3, and 4GB variant? No... why? Because there is no difference in battery consumption. There is potential of difference for many other things related specifically to RAM, but not battery life.
Show me a review or article that is from a verifiable, reputable source that states the contrary and explains WHY it would take more power and I will gladly read it.
There is also the piece we haven't mentioned, that a device should never have more than 10-15% of free RAM anyway... this is a Linux based OS, meaning free RAM is wasted RAM.
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Well said ace!!!??
Here's another good reason not to buy the MZ2F
http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/07/31/moto-z2-forces-unbreakable-screen-may-deal-breaker/
NoLimitCrafting said:
Here's another good reason not to buy the MZ2F
http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/07/31/moto-z2-forces-unbreakable-screen-may-deal-breaker/
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Lenovo downgrade the quality of their product to a really poor level. It started with the lenz of the g4 and Z line and continued with the Z play screen an back cover. They prefer to save cents not putting scratch test glass that bringing a solid product to their clients.
Not a chance, the Moto z2 force is a downgrade to this phone