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Hey, can i ask some of you guys what kind of benchmark scores u get out of the box so completely stock?
Every review i read about this tab f.e. quadrant benchmark scores are around 3800, some reviews say above 4000.
Im getting like 3300, that really seems low.
Antutu benchmark is around 6800 wich is the same as i read in reviews.
Any ideas?
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Looks like its my CPU thats causing it
The subscores are almost identical except the CPU score, that one is 2331 in most benchmarks i have seen its almost double
Does the device disables 1 core for some reason?
Just found out that sometimes in quadrant it says there is only 1 cpu core, scores are low then.
Very few times it says there are 2 cores and scores are higher then but still too low if u ask me.
I don't get it.
Only thing done to it is that it is rooted. Can this cause it or is it just hardware failure?
I've had a bunch of Android devices in the past few years and have never worried about benchmark scores. If there are no weird force close issues and your interface moves along fine, then don't sweat it. I find that people tend to get a bit obsessive over details that may not even be accurate rather than simply using the device.
i know but still there is something wrong and i dont like it to be wrong. A benchmark doesnt say anything about realtime performance in apps and games etc but if a benchmark is way to low it does tell u there is something wrong. I would have bought a cheaper tablet if i wanted a 30% slower cpu and that is what it is regarding raw cpu power
I just havemt figured it out yet. If i reboot it its okay when test it again after a while its happening. Lowest bench mark 2400 have to reboot again then its 3800 and it gets lower after every run.
Thats not okay
Just did a benchmark, now my cpu score is good but the total quadrant score is still2600 because when the cpu scores normal another component lacks, now its the mem that scores halve. When mem and cpu scores good its the io that scores halve.
Benchmark or not this is wrong and since i spent 20h non stop on trying to find out what kind of crap is causing this im just going to bed and see if i can exchange this piece
as i read, every benchmark would give us different information and also scores i guess. believe with my own eyes
I just run QB advance with ssh server, vnc server, IM+, bluetooth tethering etc. turned on and still got 3733.
I am not sure if this figure satisifying, but I really satisfying with its video streaming playback performance. The performance on video streaming alone surpress any other tablets in the market (except iPad 3 which should be better according to its spec.).
I've posted this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1578981
Check it out, it seems weird to me too, it looks like nobody exactly knows if there's something wrong or not...
Well it is a problem.
A benchmark like quadrant also tests the cpu, its measuring how many calculations a cpu can do in what time.
This CPU should be scoring at least 4k, in my case it did like 2k so that means it does takes double the time for the same amount of calculations.
It's not about being a benchmark addict, it is about commen sense.
I returned mine, got it confirmed as a hardware problem.
So i got a brand new one and i tested it a bit and it seemed good. Steady scores no CPU issues at all.
But now this unit has a bad screen, the one i had was kinda perfect, best screen ever. This looks to edgy causing eye focus issues looking at it, also because the slightest movement changes the way the colors look.
Probably ive been bad in a former life, the performance issue now also reached this unit. It worked for 4 days like it should, not its performing like a cheap tablet again.
So now i have the same problem AND a bad screen.
I have the same issues i have with cheap tablets, the reason why i purchased this tablet is because i was tired about the bad screens in cheap tablets and the stuttering.
Well lol.
I read something a bout sucky samsung quality controll.. I now understand.
radjeshsitaram said:
Well it is a problem.
A benchmark like quadrant also tests the cpu, its measuring how many calculations a cpu can do in what time.
This CPU should be scoring at least 4k, in my case it did like 2k so that means it does takes double the time for the same amount of calculations.
It's not about being a benchmark addict, it is about commen sense.
I returned mine, got it confirmed as a hardware problem.
So i got a brand new one and i tested it a bit and it seemed good. Steady scores no CPU issues at all.
But now this unit has a bad screen, the one i had was kinda perfect, best screen ever. This looks to edgy causing eye focus issues looking at it, also because the slightest movement changes the way the colors look.
Probably ive been bad in a former life, the performance issue now also reached this unit. It worked for 4 days like it should, not its performing like a cheap tablet again.
So now i have the same problem AND a bad screen.
I have the same issues i have with cheap tablets, the reason why i purchased this tablet is because i was tired about the bad screens in cheap tablets and the stuttering.
Well lol.
I read something a bout sucky samsung quality controll.. I now understand.
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Man... sorry to hear that.... mine goes up to 3422, sometimes higher/lower than that....
Anyway I don't know if you did take a look at my post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1578981 There's my whole story...
How many times have I (and many other reviewers) got to say this: Benchmarks are NOT the be all end all of indicating the performance of a device!! Stop getting caught up in that notion! UGH!!!
Here's how you know how well your device is working performance-wise:
Have you tried my performance tweaks listed in the common fixes thread? No? Do that. Yes? Good.
Is your device responsive and smooth? Yes? Good! No? When/where/under what conditions isn't it?
Now, uninstall any and every benchmark tool from your device, free up space and resources, quit your moaning and complaining, and enjoy your tablet.
End of story.
Benchmarks, at least the cpu parts, test raw power, now sorry dude if it scores half what it should then there is a reason to complain.
When it translates into stuttering there is even more reason to complain.
Maybe it is a end of story for you well good for you then.
Even when in use there is no problem yet, when the hardware can't reach the performance it should there is a reason to complain because it has a reason why it cant and that reason is what ever it is not okay.
If u have two of the same units and 1 unit is able to do twice the cpu calculations in the same time the other does then there is something wrong that your neat tweak guide cannot fix.
Guys, look at this
This is pathetic results for SD800. And the reason of so low bench results is absence of thermal pad on the SoC.
This was the case with first Nexus 4 http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/hardmod-nexus-4-investigating-thermal-t2144652, the same is with Nexus 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...de-nexus-5s-throttling-solved-adding-t2627714 and the same goes to LGG2.
I mean, when I spend $600+ for expensive phone I want it perform better than competitors' ones, I mean Xperia Z1, Note 3, Xperia Z Ultra. I what my bang for the buck
What do you think? Would you buy G Pro 2 or LG G3 if they will lack thermal grease too?
Benchmarks mean nothing, the phone runs fine and quickly, games play fine at good frame rates, so its pointless doing this.
Transferring heat away from a components thats designed to handle it to a component that isnt is a bad idea. You may not think the screen is getting heated, but there a layers of very insulating glass between you and the LCD, you wont be aware just how warm it is. Heat affects LCDs, in time you might end up with a dark spot where the CPU is.
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Guys, look at this
This is pathetic results for SD800. And the reason of so low bench results is absence of thermal pad on the SoC.
This was the case with first Nexus 4 http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/hardmod-nexus-4-investigating-thermal-t2144652, the same is with Nexus 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...de-nexus-5s-throttling-solved-adding-t2627714 and the same goes to LGG2.
I mean, when I spend $600+ for expensive phone I want it perform better than competitors' ones, I mean Xperia Z1, Note 3, Xperia Z Ultra. I what my bang for the buck
What do you think? Would you buy G Pro 2 or LG G3 if they will lack thermal grease too?
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What exactly is the "bang for your buck" that you require? What does the G2 not do for you that the Note 3 or Z1 does that is so crucial to daily life?
Because if it is just benchmarks, then as mentioned above, they mean nothing.
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Guys, look at this
This is pathetic results for SD800. And the reason of so low bench results is absence of thermal pad on the SoC.
This was the case with first Nexus 4 http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/general/hardmod-nexus-4-investigating-thermal-t2144652, the same is with Nexus 5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/goo...de-nexus-5s-throttling-solved-adding-t2627714 and the same goes to LGG2.
I mean, when I spend $600+ for expensive phone I want it perform better than competitors' ones, I mean Xperia Z1, Note 3, Xperia Z Ultra. I what my bang for the buck
What do you think? Would you buy G Pro 2 or LG G3 if they will lack thermal grease too?
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not long ago the g2 rocked the benchmarks mwahhaha so there with your thermal grease
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not long ago the g2 rocked the benchmarks mwahhaha so there with your thermal grease
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the kk update killed the bench score, i think mine dropped like 10k.
Benchmarks are the worse thing to ever happen to android. You would think that the moto x with its "out of date" specs still running smoother then the s5 would prove once and for all that benchmark scores are pointless. I don't care if the note 3 or s5 put up record breaking omg wtf fml scores...it still lags and mine doesn't! Lol....
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To add to this.... lets say you bought 2 cars. Both cost the same, one car says 700 hp, 0-60 in 3 seconds. The second car has 300 hp, 0-60 in 6 seconds. But once you get on the road, the 300 hp drives better, feels faster in every way and gets much better gas mileage. There's what's on paper, and there's real life.
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bweN diorD said:
the kk update killed the bench score, i think mine dropped like 10k.
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but user experience increased a lot right? ui flluidness/ opening of apps?
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Benchmark d*ck swinging - The rankings equivalent of being the moron who still says 'FIRST' on a comments section
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lol, I dont mind good benchmarks, there just arent any on android that measure fluidness/real life snappyness.
First! after the guy who doesnt like firsts.
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but user experience increased a lot right? ui flluidness/ opening of apps?
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i dont see it. my phone was snappy and fluid before the update, its the same now.
as for the benchmark comments. i agree to a degree that they dont mean a lot, but a 25-35% drop seems a bit extreme for an update.
seems like they boosted the benches to boost sales when it was new.
The fluidity and the battery are awesome. I love everything on that phone. Even if LG doesn't keep it updated it will still be one great phone that i own/ed...
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Its pathetic you ACTUALLY care about benchmarks, lol.
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I don't care bout benches, I care about what I paid for, and I use, as everyone else does, benches to prove that my item works as intended. Did you hear about lags when doing spherical panoramas? when phone overheats and process too long, longer than it must? It's the same story. Did you hear about "slow focus" in G2? Everybody did. Maybe it partly is because of early frequency drop, maybe not so.
And not only I care for benchmarks, look there http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-jelly-bean-vs-kitkat-benchmark-battle/
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I don't care bout benches, I care about what I paid for, and I use, as everyone else does, benches to prove that my item works as intended. Did you hear about lags when doing spherical panoramas? when phone overheats and process too long, longer than it must? It's the same story. Did you hear about "slow focus" in G2? Everybody did. Maybe it partly is because of early frequency drop, maybe not so.
And not only I care for benchmarks, look there http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-jelly-bean-vs-kitkat-benchmark-battle/
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But you didn't pay for a device that guarantees you any particular score in artificially inflated benchmark tests though. No manufacturer will launch a device guaranteeing someone a set score all the time. So what is it that you think you should have that you haven't got now? I thin that is what we can't understand.
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But you didn't pay for a device that guarantees you any particular score in artificially inflated benchmark tests though. No manufacturer will launch a device guaranteeing someone a set score all the time. So what is it that you think you should have that you haven't got now? I thin that is what we can't understand.
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Man, I want it to not lag earlyer than do another smartphones. Did you hear of lags when playing Spiderman 2? I've heard that G2 is not capable of playing this recent new game smoothly, as device with SD800 should. OK I don't play Spiderman2 and did not by to play benchmarks, I only use benchmarks as examples that internally G2, Nexus 4, Nexus 5 do not constructed properly. And as I did http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2299888 when I complained of improper color temperatures of G Pro LG reacted and made G2 display perfectly calibrated and on par with HTC One and iPhone 5S. So I think that in future G3 they'll do something with SoC cooling and improve performance when gaming for long time
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And not only I care for benchmarks, look there http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g2-jelly-bean-vs-kitkat-benchmark-battle/
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These things have nothing to do with benchmarks:
Did you hear about lags when doing spherical panoramas?Overheating can be many things, I have yet to find a phone that doesnt overheat sometimes. Usually a clean instal fixes this nicely. Its Android I guess and faulty install scenarios.
It's the same story. Did you hear about "slow focus" in G2? -> slow focus is the automatic focus, press on screen where you want focus and its almost instant. Google camera is pretty good. there are other settings that can tweak this.
That said, benchmarks in my opinion do nothing good for true user experience.
I do believe Android needs to step up on the user experience game as my comments above prove enough that this device, I say all android devices, need to much customization to be perfect. All these workarounds To fix these real issues that some users find anoying, not higher benchmarks are needed.
lol, and does kitkat score less in that? didnt see you post scores once with that nor found your arguments on it.Stop trolling yourself and post some proof then.
so my arguments from that standingpoint still hold.
I also couldnt find it featured on any major android website, wonder why.
the one benchmarktool I dont know, its only got 33 reviews, hardly antutu level. wonder if its representative.
This could be a benchmark that actually does measure some important stuff I am talking about. Interesting. thanks for sharing
omg the downloading is soo slow wow
ok ran the benchmark. but I am not impressed as it benchmarks with its own gui, not the actual phones gui. Also it doesnt benchmark the panorama shots or any camera shots for that matter.
I guess I wasnt wrong after all... sad was hoping big on this benchmarking tool to finally have a representative view of a gui from a user point of view.
People, so upsest with benchmarks, its not like its a gaming computer/server where you squeeze every bit of performance regardless of powerdraw etc, its a phone lol, and its smoother than before KitKat. Xperia Z is a good example of benchmarks vs sucking in real life ex horrible battery life....
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ok ran the benchmark. but I am not impressed as it benchmarks with its own gui, not the actual phones gui. Also it doesnt benchmark the panorama shots or any camera shots for that matter.
I guess I wasnt wrong after all... sad was hoping big on this benchmarking tool to finally have a representative view of a gui from a user point of view.
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Well, from the user point of view you should your Gallery scroll, Zoom scroll, list scroll results. The gallery scroll is what fubar in LG's UI. It scores around 35-37FPS, right? But on the Nexus it scores 50-55 fps or near. All other scrolls on LG are pretty near 60 fps, so as on every other smartphone and all right with them. But gallery scroll is bad. Did you use Tapatalk ever? Have you noticed when you try to swipe from right to left to open next page the tapatalk just stagger, hangs for .5sec, and then completes the move? It shouldn't, scroll must be buttery as is in HTC phones
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People, so upsest with benchmarks, its not like its a gaming computer/server where you squeeze every bit of performance regardless of powerdraw etc.
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Check my hwbot prime score it is 1688 and compare to Nexus 5 scores that has same MSM8974A packed in LG box. 2923 points. pretty 50% increase just because of software, huh. Or the next result , 3075
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Well, from the user point of view you should your Gallery scroll, Zoom scroll, list scroll results. The gallery scroll is what fubar in LG's UI. It scores around 35-37FPS, right? But on the Nexus it scores 50-55 fps or near. All other scrolls on LG are pretty near 60 fps, so as on every other smartphone and all right with them. But gallery scroll is bad. Did you use Tapatalk ever? Have you noticed when you try to swipe from right to left to open next page the tapatalk just stagger, hangs for .5sec, and then completes the move? It shouldn't, scroll must be buttery as is in HTC phones
Check my hwbot prime score it is 1688 and compare to Nexus 5 scores that has same MSM8974A packed in LG box. 2923 points. pretty 50% increase just because of software, huh. Or the next result , 3075
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OK, since you mentioned it I did that and got 2745 in HBOT Prime which is not too far off from the N5.
As for HTC I agree, since the One X days they have gone pretty far, they are probably best Android manufacturer at Battery/Performance optimization IMO, and Sony is the worst.
My HTC Butterfly (Int DNA) with 2000 mAh battery lasts longer than the Xperia Z (2330 mAh) per charge. Sony Exmor cameras in iPhone and Galaxy S4 perform better than the Z1. At least LG aren't like Sony.
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OK, since you mentioned it I did that and got 2745 in HBOT Prime which is not too far off from the N5.
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So, well, at least it is for me to think over, is it something wrong with my unit or its just my latest ROM with knock code has bad optimization, and it will be improved in future. Or, maybe, my PVS of 3 has to do with too early heating of SoC than yours CPU. Maybe you have PVS of 0 or 1
Share your thoughts, are you concerned about this "new version" S810 V2.1 and any overheating issues?
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seems none of the phones with SD810 has a satisfactory performance, let alone z3+'s dreadful nightmare..
I feel this will repeat Sony's terror with the Z3+. They felt they "fixed" the problem as well but fell flat on their face.
The only thing that gives me a glimmer of hope is that with the little(big?) bits of bad press about CS and build quality they really WILL try to make this phone different because otherwise their company may be dead in the water, especially since the 1+2 will be at a higher pricepoint than their consumer base is used to. Any failure on their part will be cannibalised by everyone.
Lets hope that Oneplus has right about praising the new revision of 810 . But I am not afraid because there will be hopefully a lot of kernel builders who can also work on possible issues
They're underclocking it a tiny bit and it sounds like they're using a magnesium frame with graphite thermal interface.
Too early to worry about SD810 issues until a sample tested.
I'll be waiting for reviews. Apparently the Z3+ uses the 2.1 revision too so that doesn't give me much hope, but OnePlus's may or may not tame the beast.
KiraYahiroz said:
I'll be waiting for reviews. Apparently the Z3+ uses the 2.1 revision too so that doesn't give me much hope, but OnePlus's may or may not tame the beast.
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Xiaomi Note Pro also ran 2.1 and had patents for a "specialized" thermal system especially designed for Snapdragon 810 2.1 -- which fell flat on its face. Runaway thermals.
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Xiaomi Note Pro also ran 2.1 and had patents for a "specialized" thermal system especially designed for Snapdragon 810 2.1 -- which fell flat on its face. Runaway thermals.
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Ouch!! I really hoped that the 1+2's solution (magnesium frame functioning like an additional radiator) was nowhere else to be found...
Well... then I am a lil bit worried and will wait for the first reviews before buying one (I've heard we need AGAIN to jump through hoops and will still need to beg for invites ? )
I'm very worried, if a huge corp like Xiaomi can't get it right, how is a small team like OnePlus going to?
feygor said:
I'm very worried, if a huge corp like Xiaomi can't get it right, how is a small team like OnePlus going to?
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They wont't. Just like they never fixed yellow bending on 1+1, or touchscreen issues.
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I never had any touchscreen issues, and my yellowing disappeared after a couple of days. I was just disappointed by the washed out low brightness screen and the really bad camera
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I never had any touchscreen issues, and my yellowing disappeared after a couple of days. I was just disappointed by the washed out low brightness screen and the really bad camera
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Probably because you root it and flash custom roms.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ItrVTqKO7k&feature=youtu.be
Very informative video about 810
KiraYahiroz said:
I'll be waiting for reviews. Apparently the Z3+ uses the 2.1 revision too so that doesn't give me much hope, but OnePlus's may or may not tame the beast.
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Both revisions are the same ...
AFAIK, they only merge/*add small changes on software level.
The main thing that , 1+ can/will/ or did, is adjust the CPU throttling and maybe add better heat sink(s).
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superdragonpt said:
Both revisions are the same ...
AFAIK, they only merge/*add small changes on software level.
The main thing that , 1+ can/will/ or did, is adjust the CPU throttling and maybe add better heat sink(s).
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Wrong, there are some hardware changes from v2 and v2.1: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9388/comparing-snapdragon-810-v2-and-v21
The most significant changes is memory bandwidth within the cache of the SoC, which should feed the CPU and GPU better.
komugi said:
Xiaomi Note Pro also ran 2.1 and had patents for a "specialized" thermal system especially designed for Snapdragon 810 2.1 -- which fell flat on its face. Runaway thermals.
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HTC M9 solved it. They have better thermals than LG G4. See notebookcheck.net reviews for both devices. Not optimal but still maintains better performance than S808.
KiraYahiroz said:
Wrong, there are some hardware changes from v2 and v2.1: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9388/comparing-snapdragon-810-v2-and-v21
The most significant changes is memory bandwidth within the cache of the SoC, which should feed the CPU and GPU better.
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Hi
Sorry for the late reply.
No. your wrong, it's all on SW level.
Time will (hopefully) confirm it.
Adjusting throttling, and hotplug / arm SoC policies, has nothing to do with Hardware.
In the mean time, one of my co-workers, got one for reviewing purposes .
USB: Is so damm slow, the type C is just for marketing purposes, it's still cap at 2.x
Front camera: Just...bad
Cpu scalling: slow and not very well optimized
And some other issues concerning this device, i know the software can (will ? ) be improved, but for my standards the device is bad.
I quit this one. And will be giving away my invite.
Cheers
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HTC M9 solved it. They have better thermals than LG G4. See notebookcheck.net reviews for both devices. Not optimal but still maintains better performance than S808.
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I can confirm this. I got an M9 yesterday to replace my S6. I know it sounds weird, but I think of it as an upgrade. The S6 was fast on paper but painfully slow at times during normal usage. App launch time was great, but UI lagginess, awful design and general unresponsiveness lead me to opt for the M9, especially after reading great reports about the latest SW updates.
The 810 in the M9 is cooler than the S6, I can guarantee you. Any semi-intense app on the S6 made the CPU jump to absurd temperatures (80+ degrees C) and the device got extremely hot on the metal frame.
The M9 gets evenly warmish, and CPU management is spot on as it never goes full throttle when doing basic tasks like browsing (unlike some other phones).
To sum it up, I wouldn't worry too much about the S810, it seems to run just fine on the M9.
What I was wondering that which version of Snapdragon 810 Huawei has used in Nexus 6P?
An updated version without heat problems or the same old 810 with overheating issues?
Sony Xperia Z5 uses the SD810 but it looks like it still has heat issues.
Can anyone confirm which version it has?
Nexus 6P comes without optical image stabilization, infrared port, wireless and fast battery charging...
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What I was wondering that which version of Snapdragon 810 Huawei has used in Nexus 6P?
An updated version without heat problems or the same old 810 with overheating issues?
Sony Xperia Z5 uses the SD810 but it looks like it still has heat issues.
Can anyone confirm which version it has?
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It uses SD 810 v2.1 and it does have fast charging
According to the Oneplus 2 review from XDA, the 810 v 2.1 still overheats/throttles, so this Nexus could still have problems, since this one's not even downclocked. Hopefully it doesn't, and the aluminum body could help with heating issues. I preordered one, so if reviews come out before it's processed and problems still arise from 810, I might have to cancel. Hoping for the best though!
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo dispointed that long waited nexus 6 used snapdragon 810!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have to buy samsung edge or note 5....
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What I was wondering that which version of Snapdragon 810 Huawei has used in Nexus 6P?
An updated version without heat problems or the same old 810 with overheating issues?
Sony Xperia Z5 uses the SD810 but it looks like it still has heat issues.
Can anyone confirm which version it has?
Nexus 6P comes without optical image stabilization, infrared port, wireless and fast battery charging...
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As said above. It has the 810 V2.1. The original snapdragon 810 is the version 2.0. The 2.1 is slighlty faster and throttles less. However it's still got a reputation for heat issues as shown by the old Xperia z3+ and an anandtech article. The z5 also uses the 2.1 but uses a new dual copper pipe cooling system. I read a hands on by Engadget and they said it didn't have issues during their short time with it but we won't know until the reviews come out. It's possible they have done some heavy duty cooling modifications.
Looks like this will be the first Nexus that I skip.
Unfortunately, looks like I'll probably be skipping as well..The fact that they didn't really cover the processor at all suggest that they probably had issues with it. Or they would have at least said something generic like "And it comes with a fully optimized SD 810V2.1 64 bit processor."
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Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo dispointed that long waited nexus 6 used snapdragon 810!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have to buy samsung edge or note 5....
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Who are you?
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What gpu does it sport?
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Xileforce said:
As said above. It has the 810 V2.1. The original snapdragon 810 is the version 2.0. The 2.1 is slighlty faster and throttles less. However it's still got a reputation for heat issues as shown by the old Xperia z3+ and an anandtech article. The z5 also uses the 2.1 but uses a new dual copper pipe cooling system. I read a hands on by Engadget and they said it didn't have issues during their short time with it but we won't know until the reviews come out. It's possible they have done some heavy duty cooling modifications.
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And according to another article and multiple successive benchmark runs, it doesn't.
That's why I got it - v2.1 took care of the heat.
There are plenty of articles to Google the heat issues are non factor unless you happen to buy a moto pure. Plenty of heat issues and battery drain from a crappy GPU over there.
Aridon said:
There are plenty of articles to Google the heat issues are non factor unless you happen to buy a moto pure. Plenty of heat issues and battery drain from a crappy GPU over there.
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The gpu is the same on all snapdragon 810 socs. I would guess most people wouldn't notice any heat issues in normal use. Maybe if you are playing 3d games or benchmarking. It also really depends on the cooling used. The xperia z3+ had issues recording 4k. While the new z5 with the same soc has no problems due to cooling. I would guess Google did some good stuff in terms of cooling. Additionally qcom said nearly all 810s that made it into production devices are the V2.1 including the m9. I'm not sure if that's from the start though. There's also undervolting which can help too. I wouldn't worry too much. It seems like all the newer 810 devices have taken actions to keep it cooler.
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moto x pure is actually snapdragon 808 not 810
The pure uses the 808.
As for heat and performance
https://www.androidpit.com/snapdragon-810-vs-808-is-8-cores-really-better-than-6
The pure gets hot just trying to push chrome and maps can drop battery by 1/3 in an hour. Serious issues and if you under clock the performance issues become even more serious. Great phone for people that don't use it. As for me I'll take the Big P.
I have the OPT and it still gets warm. Much better with ak kernel but on stock, it gets real warm but not burn your hands off hot.
Read some information by a reviewer said they couldn't get the phone hot or get it to throttle.
The big aluminum body dissipates heat.
AFAIK It uses S810 V3.
tech_head said:
Read some information by a reviewer said they couldn't get the phone hot or get it to throttle.
The big aluminum body dissipates heat.
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If anything, you'll feel more heat on a metal body and a glass backed body than a plastic body!
Aridon said:
There are plenty of articles to Google the heat issues are non factor unless you happen to buy a moto pure. Plenty of heat issues and battery drain from a crappy GPU over there.
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LNJ said:
If anything, you'll feel more heat on a metal body and a glass backed body than a plastic body!
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Well its a double edged sword. If my thinking is correct the metal, being a better conductor, will pull more heat away from the inside of the phone and dissipate it to the outside. That unfortunately means the device will actually feel hotter, but the internals would be cooler. Again that's just my two cents. I think of it sort of like a heatsink. The heatsink gets hot, but the SOC itself is cooler. Maybe I'm wrong though.
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Well its a double edged sword. If my thinking is correct the metal, being a better conductor, will pull more heat away from the inside of the phone and dissipate it to the outside. That unfortunately means the device will actually feel hotter, but the internals would be cooler. Again that's just my two cents. I think of it sort of like a heatsink. The heatsink gets hot, but the SOC itself is cooler. Maybe I'm wrong though.
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You're right, but the issue then is heat dissipation from the metal body. If you have it in a case, you're trapping the heat more as opposed to leaving the metal back bare and feeling the heat in your hands!
but according to people in articles that have used it. there is no heat, right? so we are safe and good to go? Right folks? ??
What are your guys' methods to extract the best possible performance from the SD 810 in our Nexus 6p? I think everyone is aware that this chipset is prone to throttling extremely quickly for a mobile chip. I've experimented with massive underclocking both the big and little cores, changing governors, different kernels and other things. Unfortunately, I don't think it is possible to undervolt the 810. It's amazing that such a massive company like Qualcomm gave the go ahead to release a chip with such fundamental problems even if they were under pressure to release a 64 bit chip. Makes me think that they may value profits over their consumers experience.
So again I ask, what is your method of obtaining the best, no lag/stutter, performance out of our beloved Nexus 6p and it's infamous Snapdragon 810?
I did the hard thermal mod here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/guide-improve-cooling-greatly-reduce-t3323898
And use the thermal soft mod here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/development/cttmod-mm-t3386953
Even then, it will throttle during heavy gaming but nothing like before. It's rare I play long enough that it starts shutting down cores. Usually a half hour at a time. For my purposes it has all but eliminated thermal induced lag. Definitely shouldn't have to go through all that though lol.
To be honest things run great for me. It was the best they had to offer this past year. I'm not complaining. Best phone I've ever owned that's for sure
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I did the hard thermal mod here:
And use the thermal soft mod here:
Even then, it will throttle during heavy gaming but nothing like before. It's rare I play long enough that it starts shutting down cores. Usually a half hour at a time. For my purposes it has all but eliminated thermal induced lag. Definitely shouldn't have to go through all that though lol.
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I think you may have forgotten to include the mod links in your post. If they provide the improvements that you described, I'll definitely be trying them out.
michaelearth said:
I think you may have forgotten to include the mod links in your post. If they provide the improvements that you described, I'll definitely be trying them out.
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I think you will change your mind when you see the hard mod :laugh:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/guide-improve-cooling-greatly-reduce-t3323898
This is the best phone ever created. There are absolutely no issues with the 810 because I've never personally had any. That means the issues don't exist. Don't ever talk bad about this phone because I spent my hard earned money on it so it's automatically the best. Just positive posts please.
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I think you may have forgotten to include the mod links in your post. If they provide the improvements that you described, I'll definitely be trying them out.
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Not sure why the links disappeared, but I added them back.
Im interested in getting the 810 to perform better. I had a snap dragon 610 phone that performed well and had battery life that would last all day. Is there a way to underclock the 810 down to how the 610 soc would run.
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And use the thermal soft mod here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/development/cttmod-mm-t3386953
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I installed this mod several days ago and have noticed significant improvements regarding thermal throttling. The 810 still throttles but it helps delay it by a noticeable amount of time. Definitely recommend to anyone looking to improve performance.
Also, the dev is actively working to improve the mod so it can only get better from here on out.
shawn1482 said:
Im interested in getting the 810 to perform better. I had a snap dragon 610 phone that performed well and had battery life that would last all day. Is there a way to underclock the 810 down to how the 610 soc would run.
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Different soc, different architecture, im afraid not possible