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EMUI 5.1 for MHA-AL00C00

As a result of the research I conduct as a part of FunkyHuawei, I've currently got my hands on what looks to be a prerelease version of EMUI 5.1 for the Mate 9, Chinese version (I also have the same build for the Mate 9 Pro). I will be installing it, testing it out, and posting my findings here.

Initial observations:
The boot logo/sound is the same as EMUI 5.
The touch response is VERY NOTICEABLY improved.
The performance is very noticeably improved. Apps open instantaneously.
Although there are strings that indicate it's EMUI 5.1 in the filesystem, 'about phone' still shows Android 7.0 EMUI 5.0
Wifi throughput has improved. I previously got 100mbps, I now get 180mbps.
There is a need to enter an employee Huawei ID login, but I was able to bypass this by not having internet connectivity when starting the phone the first time. Still, it comes up and blocks access to the phone periodically. I'm looking to find a more permanent way around this.
Update: I've gotten around it by rooting and freezing the beta app with Titanium backup. I'll use this as a daily driver and see how it goes.

Screenshot of about phone:
http://imgur.com/Rh53HUL

Is there any services for daydream included yet (pro) ?
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dondavis007 said:
Is there any services for daydream included yet (pro) ?
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I haven't got a pro so I can't be sure. If there's something I can check within the update.app partitions, let me know. I'm not very familiar with daydream.

duraaraa said:
I haven't got a pro so I can't be sure. If there's something I can check within the update.app partitions, let me know. I'm not very familiar with daydream.
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Hi.
I imagine that there should be Daydream specific apks like:
com.google..android.vr.home
com.google.android.vr.inputmethod
Thanks!
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I've got it installed. Working on bypassing a nag screen to enter a Huawei Employee ID login.

Bypassed and now usable as a daily driver
The difference in touch response time is incredible. Typing feels like typing on an iPhone now.

duraaraa said:
Bypassed and now usable as a daily driver
The difference in touch response time is incredible. Typing feels like typing on an iPhone now.
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This is great to hear! Always love to see a device develop and better itself, can't wait until the time comes to try this out on my MHA-L09C432

Is there the new Portrait mode in camera?
I believe the P10 and Mate 9 share the same camera hardware and since the small P10 has the same features as P10 plus I expect the Portrait feature to come to the Mate 9 as well.
Are there any voice assistants included, Google Assistant, Amazon Alexa?
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MaTiCeK- said:
Is there the new Portrait mode in camera?
I believe the P10 and Mate 9 share the same camera hardware and since the small P10 has the same features as P10 plus I expect the Portrait feature to come to the Mate 9 as well.
Are there any voice assistants included, Google Assistant, Amazon Alexa?
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The P10 Plus has a different camera and has more features than the regular P10 ( don't know about the new portrait mode ).

MaTiCeK- said:
Is there the new Portrait mode in camera?
I believe the P10 and Mate 9 share the same camera hardware and since the small P10 has the same features as P10 plus I expect the Portrait feature to come to the Mate 9 as well.
Are there any voice assistants included, Google Assistant, Amazon Alexa?
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It's the Chinese version, so no alexa or google. I will be looking into US version betas soon.
I didn't notice any extra camera modes yet. I think this is only the second EMUI 5.1 beta for the Mate 9, though, so it might be coming.

What about notifications.... Facebook, Instagram, Viber, messenger.... Have you test if it's been fixed to this version?

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What about notifications.... Facebook, Instagram, Viber, messenger.... Have you test if it's been fixed to this version?
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Notifications still have issues, as far as I can tell. Not very good news. Of course, this only applied to the Chinese version.

duraaraa said:
Notifications still have issues, as far as I can tell. Not very good news. Of course, this only applied to the Chinese version.
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That's why I'm asking because I own a Chinese version... Too bad.... Once again for Huawei...I'm starting thinking to debrand...

tsiglas said:
That's why I'm asking because I own a Chinese version... Too bad.... Once again for Huawei...I'm starting thinking to debrand...
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You absolutely should debrand. Chinese version, although it has the fastest updates, is awful.

duraaraa said:
You absolutely should debrand. Chinese version, although it has the fastest updates, is awful.
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After full debrand (with your funkyHuawei) did you notice any problems?
I'm from Greece... It's better to debrand to Europe or International version?
I have already take bootloader unlock code in any case but I have never use all this method with adb etc

tsiglas said:
After full debrand (with your funkyHuawei) did you notice any problems?
I'm from Greece... It's better to debrand to Europe or International version?
I have already take bootloader unlock code in any case but I have never use all this method with adb etc
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With recent version 158, I've never had notification problems. But unless it uses google services for the notifications you have to keep it open in the background. I think Greece would be European version.

Oh my goodness.... Could you clarify how touch response for emui5.0 compares to 5.1??
I'm on build b138 emui 5.0 and already I find this the fastest Android I ever got

duraaraa said:
As a result of the research I conduct as a part of FunkyHuawei, I've currently got my hands on what looks to be a prerelease version of EMUI 5.1 for the Mate 9, Chinese version (I also have the same build for the Mate 9 Pro). I will be installing it, testing it out, and posting my findings here. I am considering making it install-able via FunkyHuawei to a limited number of Mate 9 users as well.
The change log gives us no new information, but the latest build number is B202 (there is also a B201). Looking at the update.app, there are strings which indicate that it is EMUI 5.1 -- it is also maintained separately from the EMUI 5.0 closed betas, the latest of which is B173.
More information coming once I've installed it. I'd guess roughly around 7 or 8 hours after this post.
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Can you install CPU-Z and look at the build versions mentioned there?

[Discussion] Project Treble

To all those who want to know more about Project Treble please use this thread to discuss about it.
What is Project Treble?
Ans. Treble is the most significant low-level change to the Android platform to date. To simplify heavily, it separates the vendor implementation from the Android framework in an effort to avoid lengthy waits for updates. . Let’s break things down a bit more:
The full update process to bring a new Android version to devices is a long and complex topic.
The “vendor” usually refers to silicon-manufacturers such as Qualcomm, but can also refer to the maker of any other proprietary hardware found in a device. The “device maker” or “OEM” usually needs to wait for the vendor to update their code so the proprietary hardware works with the Android OS framework in a newer version of Android.
However, what is happening with Project Treble is that Google is requiring that any vendor-specific code be separated from the Android OS framework and instead live in its own vendor implementation. Usually this means that there is now a separate /vendor partition on Treble-enabled smartphones that contains a bunch of HALs (Hardware Abstraction Layers).
Furthermore, vendors must implement code that lets the Android OS framework communicate with HALs in a standardized way. This is done via HIDL (HAL Interface Definition Language). With this in place, an OEM can work on an Android update without having to wait on vendors to update their HALs. Theoretically, this should speed up the entire Android update process as vendors can update their code at any time through the Play Store.
For indepth information check out this pagehttps://www.androidauthority.com/project-treble-818225/
Devices with Treble support:
- Essential PH-1
- Google Pixel
- Google Pixel XL
- HTC U11 Plus
- Huawei Honor 8 Pro
- Huawei Mate 9
- Huawei Mate 10 Pro
- Sony Xperia XZ1
- Sony Xperia XZ1 Compact
- Asus Zenfone 4 (ZE554KL)
- Honor V10
- Huawei P10/ P10 Plus
Devices which will ship with Android 8.0 Oreo will be Treble compatible by default.
Older devices will become treble compatible if the OEM creates a vendor partition via OTA update, like the Honor 8 Pro.
Custom Roms:
As of now @phhusson is working hard to make his AOSP rom boot as a fully functional rom on all the Treble supported devices, go check out the rom thread here https://forum.xda-developers.com/pr...evelopment/experimental-phh-treble-t3709659"]
Check Treble Compability
Open a terminal app on your device and simply type the following command:
getprop ro.treble.enabled
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If it returns a boolean value true, your device supports Treble and if false it doesn’t.
[NOTE: New devices with Treble support are launching so its not possible for me to update the supported device list, so they'll not make their name on my list, but you can surely ask about your device on the discussion thread]

My understanding of Treble is, from the *big picture* anyway, that the responsibility for hardware access shifts from Google to the individual device mfgs.
The hope for us is that new versions of Android can be distributed much more rapidly, because testing of new hardware (or changes to existing hdw) won't have to wait for the new OS to be done, and that the interface to the hdw will be separate from the OS.
Another hope would be that a devices 'life span' would increase? (or at least stay current longer).

AsItLies said:
My understanding of Treble is, from the *big picture* anyway, that the responsibility for hardware access shifts from Google to the individual device mfgs.
The hope for us is that new versions of Android can be distributed much more rapidly, because testing of new hardware (or changes to existing hdw) won't have to wait for the new OS to be done, and that the interface to the hdw will be separate from the OS.
Another hope would be that a devices 'life span' would increase? (or at least stay current longer).
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Treble means separating the vendor source from the software source, the treble devices will have a separate vendor partition, in which the vendor source will be. Now the manufacturers will only require to make the Software bug free so that the user dosent face any problems in day to day usage. From @phhussons AOSP treble rom we can get a clear picture that by separating the vendor source, the Treble based AOSP roms will run on any Treble compatible device regardless of the SOC/hardware configuration.

venom928 said:
Treble means separating the vendor source from the software source, the treble devices will have a separate vendor partition, in which the vendor source will be. <snip>
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Ah yes that makes sense, it's not only the hardware source (vendor specific), it's also the vendors software (their mods and bloatware) that will be in the separate partition.
It really does sound as though this should speed up the time it takes for users to get updates of all kinds. It also seems pretty certain, non-Treble enabled devices will fall by the wayside. Doesn't seem there's any way around that?

AsItLies said:
Ah yes that makes sense, it's not only the hardware source (vendor specific), it's also the vendors software (their mods and bloatware) that will be in the separate partition.
It really does sound as though this should speed up the time it takes for users to get updates of all kinds. It also seems pretty certain, non-Treble enabled devices will fall by the wayside. Doesn't seem there's any way around that?
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For non-treble devices the only way is that the OEMs must release an OTA update which will create a separate Vendor partition, but OEMs won't do(except some recent flagships) that bcz they want sales of newer devices with Treble support. As far as time is concerned, suppose it takes 2-3months for an OEM to build a fully bug free update, but it will require 3-4weeks for the OEM to build that same update

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For non-treble devices the only way is that the OEMs must release an OTA update which will create a separate Vendor partition
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Yes, it seems the consensus is that mfg's won't risk bricking the phones by doing that kind of an OTA update? We'll see fairly soon what they'll do with the older devices.
It's good that google is calling the shots with this and is insisting new Oreo devices have it. It's bad though that devices just a few months old that cost mucho bucks may go without it.

AsItLies said:
Yes, it seems the consensus is that mfg's won't risk bricking the phones by doing that kind of an OTA update? We'll see fairly soon what they'll do with the older devices.
It's good that google is calling the shots with this and is insisting new Oreo devices have it. It's bad though that devices just a few months old that cost mucho bucks may go without it.
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The honor 8 pro got Treble via OTA because it was one of the best selling device, but some OEMs will prefer not to do that so that customers will shift to newer devices. Like OnePlus could have easily added Treble to atleast 5/5T but they thought of not doing it, just depends upon the OEM

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The honor 8 pro got Treble via OTA because it was one of the best selling device
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Wow, I did not know that, thanks. I better read more of the Treble threads to keep up to date

AsItLies said:
Wow, I did not know that, thanks. I better read more of the Treble threads to keep up to date
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yep surely

Mate 9 as well
AsItLies said:
Wow, I did not know that, thanks. I better read more of the Treble threads to keep up to date
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Mate 9 got treble as well with the Oreo update, major repartitioning as well.

revjamescarver said:
Mate 9 got treble as well with the Oreo update, major repartitioning as well.
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Mate 9 is in the list bro, check OP

revjamescarver said:
Mate 9 got treble as well with the Oreo update, major repartitioning as well.
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Thanks Neighbor. Huawei is rapidly moving to the top of my list of phone mfg to buy. It doesn't look like the kirin processors have much los support, but with treble... well, it seems previous prerequisites are being turned upside down.
For sure, when one evaluates (buying) a phone, many factors are relevant. But for most (if not all) of us, how long the phone will stay up to date is probably at the top of that list.
Hope the other mfg's follow Huawei's lead here, else we'll have a lot of recently mfg phones with outdated sftwr soon.

AsItLies said:
Thanks Neighbor. Huawei is rapidly moving to the top of my list of phone mfg to buy. It doesn't look like the kirin processors have much los support, but with treble... well, it seems previous prerequisites are being turned upside down.
For sure, when one evaluates (buying) a phone, many factors are relevant. But for most (if not all) of us, how long the phone will stay up to date is probably at the top of that list.
Hope the other mfg's follow Huawei's lead here, else we'll have a lot of recently mfg phones with outdated sftwr soon.
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Huawei is the 3rd most fastest growing OEM after Apple and Samsung. What stops me from buying a Honor Device is the Kirin SOC and apps like Google Camera port dosent work on the devices except devices with Snapdragon SOC, so will wait for a device with the specs like the Mi A1 and a 18:9 display

venom928 said:
Huawei is the 3rd most fastest growing OEM after Apple and Samsung. What stops me from buying a Honor Device is the Kirin SOC and apps like Google Camera port dosent work on the devices except devices with Snapdragon SOC, so will wait for a device with the specs like the Mi A1 and a 18:9 display
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Very good point. So even with Treble, which SOC (the phone has) will still be relevant in some respects. I have a G6 and think a wide angle lens is da bomb, but could easily do without all the glass 'bling'.

Kirin SoC
venom928 said:
Huawei is the 3rd most fastest growing OEM after Apple and Samsung. What stops me from buying a Honor Device is the Kirin SOC and apps like Google Camera port dosent work on the devices except devices with Snapdragon SOC, so will wait for a device with the specs like the Mi A1 and a 18:9 display
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Nothing at all wrong with the Kirin SoC, performance is on par with the Qualcomm SoC, only real downfall is that Huawei doesn't sell the Kirin to other oems, otherwise it would be more widespread. The Kirin 970 with its built in NPU and and gigabit LTE modem is going to give the Qualcomm 835/845 a run for their money. Of course the port of the new Google camera app is not going to give you more than the basic functionality as it was written specifically for Google pixel devices (it doesn't give you all the features on older Google or snapdragon devices either), I installed the port on my mate 9 and it was acceptable for basic camera functions but no matter what you do you're never going to get a port of something written for another device to have the same features or performance as the stock app written for your device.

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Nothing at all wrong with the Kirin SoC, performance is on par with the Qualcomm SoC, only real downfall is that Huawei doesn't sell the Kirin to other oems, otherwise it would be more widespread. The Kirin 970 with its built in NPU and and gigabit LTE modem is going to give the Qualcomm 835/845 a run for their money. Of course the port of the new Google camera app is not going to give you more than the basic functionality as it was written specifically for Google pixel devices (it doesn't give you all the features on older Google or snapdragon devices either), I installed the port on my mate 9 and it was acceptable for basic camera functions but no matter what you do you're never going to get a port of something written for another device to have the same features or performance as the stock app written for your device.
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I agree that the Kirin Processors are good, and the reason is Kirin is Huawei's home made processor so the pairing between Hardware and Software is perfectly optimisez for better performance and as far as Better Processing is concerned, after Apple Qualcomm holds the 2nd position no doubt, yeah in near future Kirin might surpass Qualcomm interms of performance no idea.
As far as the ported app is concerned I prefer stock android/custom roms over stock roms(MIUI/EMUI) and if someone ports the stock huawei camera for Los/RR running on Huawei devices itself, I'll surely go with a Kirin device but right now thats not available so after installing a custom rom I'll prefer Google camera app, if not the ported one, I'll go with the one available in Apkmirror, though this is my own preference as I'm addicted to using stock android and google apps suite, lets see how much development the Honor 7X gets, if it gets Treble support via OTA I'll go with it else the Mi A1 as of now is my 1st choice

I'm wondering, and the answer may be 'We don't know yet', but...
Many of us have used custom ROM's to avoid using an OEM's UI, bloatware, etc. Because Treble enabled phones will have a 'Vendor' partition (which will include these UI's etc), will that then mean the mfg's specific stuff can't really be (completely) removed the way an after market ROM does?
Of course, there's always ways of disabling mfg stuff, but Roms like Los just do it all in one fell swoop (much easier).
Do we know at this point how this will work with Treble?
Cheers and Happy New Year

AsItLies said:
I'm wondering, and the answer may be 'We don't know yet', but...
Many of us have used custom ROM's to avoid using an OEM's UI, bloatware, etc. Because Treble enabled phones will have a 'Vendor' partition (which will include these UI's etc), will that then mean the mfg's specific stuff can't really be (completely) removed the way an after market ROM does?
Of course, there's always ways of disabling mfg stuff, but Roms like Los just do it all in one fell swoop (much easier).
Do we know at this point how this will work with Treble?
Cheers and Happy New Year
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The SOC source code will reside in the vendor partition, for example The Pixel XL has SD835 so the source code of the SOC will be there in itz Vendor partition. So if you are using a Treble enabled device such as the Huawei Mate 9 which has its own custom UI, if u flash a custom rom on it, the stock OS will get completely removed and the run ROM will run on it.
The Mgf's UI is a part of the system nd not of the vendor partition.

I am planning to buy Honor 7x, I found a thread on 7X forum which has Mount points and partition layout details for 7x. In the details, i can see below line, does this mean that phone supports Treble once updated to Oreo?
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Dec 24 10:46 vendor -> /dev/block/mmcblk0p47
Orignal thread link
https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-7x/development/mount-partition-layout-profile-xml-t3727990
Thanks:good: in advance!!

indigo110 said:
I am planning to buy Honor 7x, I found a thread on 7X forum which has Mount points and partition layout details for 7x. In the details, i can see below line, does this mean that phone supports Treble once updated to Oreo?
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Dec 24 10:46 vendor -> /dev/block/mmcblk0p47
Orignal thread link
https://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-7x/development/mount-partition-layout-profile-xml-t3727990
Thanks:good: in advance!!
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It is evident from past experiences that the Honor 7X might get Treble via OTA update as the case was with Honor 8 Pro. The Honor 7X's source code got released a few weeks ago and I got some info that the Open Kirin team will also support the 7X so I guess the Open Kirin team will also release a Treble supported rom

A Forgotton Device *Honor 9i*

hi guys i think huwaei is busy in developing its new deices and as a market strategy ,its continue and focusing on new devices.As after 4 months thereis no update for our device and newly launch devices like 9 lite and 7 x which is cheaper in price and have almost same specs as we have.but for themhuwaei have update and our device doesnt getting a face unlock feature.i think its my big mistake to jump from mi to huawei.very slow or say no updates.shame on them.

i feel that we are cheated.

Never too late to sell your phone. I was blinded by the quad-camera hype as well and sold my Redmi Note 4... Now I'm sure as hell am going back to Xiaomi. Took them long to release the Note 5 Pro.

4 months????
Huawei gave Face unlock and AR Sticker just 2 months ago. There's beta testing going for Oreo in some regions. It has highest chances of getting Treble support, it bootloader can be unlocked, TWRP is available. Huawei will likely give it 2 major upgrades (O and P). Even after that you can flash GSI (with Treble support) of latest android (say Q). As Google is modularizing most stuff there will be a time when we can flash latest android version just like we flash latest Windows on old PCs.
If you feel cheated then think about us with a Samsung S8, Note 8 which is high end device and there's no treble support for us. We can't unlock BL (US models). We won't get exclusive S9 features through update (Huawei is giving face unlock through update, EMUI 8).
Still you think it's abandon..

Face Unlock on Huawei P10 Lite

Hi, I know that the P10 Lite is going to get the Emui 8.0, but I was wondering if it will get the huawei face unlock too. Other huawei phones have already gotten it, so will the P10 Lite get it?

ILoveZed said:
Hi, I know that the P10 Lite is going to get the Emui 8.0, but I was wondering if it will get the huawei face unlock too. Other huawei phones have already gotten it, so will the P10 Lite get it?
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We'll find out when someone gets access to the update (beta or release).
I wouldn't recommend anyone actually use it if it does get added. It's horribly insecure to use any kind of face unlock without the hardware to make it secure. Practically anyone would be able to unlock your device with little preparation. Even with a good software implementation, it's still relatively easy to cheat it.

Trixanity said:
We'll find out when someone gets access to the update (beta or release).
I wouldn't recommend anyone actually use it if it does get added. It's horribly insecure to use any kind of face unlock without the hardware to make it secure. Practically anyone would be able to unlock your device with little preparation. Even with a good software implementation, it's still relatively easy to cheat it.
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Hi, it sounds like a cool feature and I wanted to try it. If it comes I think that I will use it, because I really don't care if someone sees my photos and all of that stuff and I don't have friends that will steal my phone, if someone steal my phone he will probably don't even try to hack it. There are really not that much people like this in my city plus that I am not something like a secret agent, so... ?

ILoveZed said:
Hi, it sounds like a cool feature and I wanted to try it. If it comes I think that I will use it, because I really don't care if someone sees my photos and all of that stuff and I don't have friends that will steal my phone, if someone steal my phone he will probably don't even try to hack it. There are really not that much people like this in my city plus that I am not something like a secret agent, so... ?
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Certainly. I just wanted to warn you (or anyone reading it) that it's not actually secure. It can add a tiny deterrent too so it's not as bad as slide to unlock for example.
Some of the problems with it is that without additional sensors it relies on a 2D image to recognize you. Sometimes it can unlock via photos of you or people who look similar. That's why Apple's facial recognition works: multiple sensors that are very difficult to cheat and requires targeted prep work to even succeed hence a random pickpocket won't be able to do anything.
You can add software tricks such as checking for eye blinking to determine if it's a live person and use software algorithms to increase accuracy but these can be cheated which is why I don't think even Google's AI team could develop a safe method that only needs a camera.
Just wanted to explain why the software solution is generally a bad idea if security is important to you.
I think you may get your wish though. I don't see why Huawei wouldn't do it. After Apple did it, it seems like it has become a sought after feature again but these companies don't tell you that it's not the same as what Apple did which is unfortunate for most people if they get a false sense of security.
Finger print is still quite secure though and fast too

Probably not, Lite gets a lot of features cut. A lot of them can be unlocked with build.prop editing, but we'll have to wait to know for sure.

ILoveZed said:
Hi, I know that the P10 Lite is going to get the Emui 8.0, but I was wondering if it will get the huawei face unlock too. Other huawei phones have already gotten it, so will the P10 Lite get it?
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No bro. I have the Huawei p10 lite with the Oreo 8.0.sumn
And It doesn't come with face unlock. Everything else is ok but the camera. They deliberately ****ed up the once almost perfect camera that the phone came with too. I'll advice you root the hell out of that **** bro??
But one positive is that they keep rolling out Google security patches every single month

ronygbo said:
No bro. I have the Huawei p10 lite with the Oreo 8.0.sumn
And It doesn't come with face unlock. Everything else is ok but the camera. They deliberately ****ed up the once almost perfect camera that the phone came with too. I'll advice you root the hell out of that **** bro
But one positive is that they keep rolling out Google security patches every single month
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Well the phone is now in my dad's pocket and he doesnt really care about the camera and all of this. Now I am with a S9+ and I have the face unlock feature. I actually use it quite often XD

How bloated is OnePlus 8 Pro?

I dislike having many platforms and bloatware, but I also prefer not to unlock my bootloader and prefer not to root my phones due to security concerns. This is why I really like Pixel phones because they are 100% Android, although original unlocked stock Pixel firmware does come with some VZW (Verizon Wireless) packages that are inactive unless Verizon is the carrier.
How bloated is stock OnePlus 8 Pro with non-Android software? Is that software necessary for the phone to function?

Oxygen OS is which much similar to Pixel phones but with more functionality in settings.
There are no such bloatware compared to other OEMs like Samsung, LG, MIUI, etc.
You can try some update reviews/walk through of Oxygen OS which might give you a very good insight.
Even I am very much on the same thoughts, hate bloatwares.
But after moving using OnePlus devices there no other better phone out there.. Trust me.
Pure out of the box experience.
Sent from my ONEPLUS A5010 using Tapatalk

You can always choose to remove the remaining ( no real bloatware is present in my opinion ) stuff using adb. No need for root or unlocked bootloader

No, you can't even disable some bloatware that comes with some phones, let alone remove it. That is why I was specifically asking whether OnePlus 8 Pro comes with bloatware.

varunpilankar said:
Oxygen OS is which much similar to Pixel phones but with more functionality in settings.
There are no such bloatware compared to other OEMs like Samsung, LG, MIUI, etc.
You can try some update reviews/walk through of Oxygen OS which might give you a very good insight.
Even I am very much on the same thoughts, hate bloatwares.
But after moving using OnePlus devices there no other better phone out there.. Trust me.
Pure out of the box experience.
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Thanks, I will look into it, although I wish there was a package name dump or something similar that would show exactly what OnePlus 8 Pro has in stock firmware. I guess I could just learn to unpackage factory images to learn all that myself.

DirtyAngelicaSecured said:
No, you can't even disable some bloatware that comes with some phones, let alone remove it. That is why I was specifically asking whether OnePlus 8 Pro comes with bloatware.
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You can disable everything, you're just saying you can't do it or don't know how to do it. Without root you can disable every single package using adb. If you disagree do tell me what can't be removed or at least disabled and I'll gladly show you're wrong

patensas said:
You can disable everything, you're just saying you can't do it or don't know how to do it. Without root you can disable every single package using adb. If you disagree do tell me what can't be removed or at least disabled and I'll gladly show you're wrong
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You might be right... I am still very new at this, trying to get a phone that is secure, customizable, and bloatware-free, but it seems impossible. AFAIK, aside from GSMK/ESD and BlackBox cryptophones, no phone can offer protection and/or detection of IMSI catchers and/or devices that can mimic cell tower to downgrade your LTE to connection to 2G/3G to look into your SMS or eavesdrop on your phone calls. That leaves ability to filter telemetry, removal of needless applications, and encrypted Wi-Fi calling via VPN as the only semi-secure method of communication. Phones like Sirin Finney are supposed to excel at that, but based on the following chart, your standard Pixel 4/4 XL are the better options - https://img.gadgethacks.com/img/46/...st-phones-for-privacy-security-2020.w1456.jpg .
There doesn't even appear to be a phone that can force "LTE-only or kill connection" (no 2G/3G downgrade) feature.

I spent 10 mins looking for all the bloat and disabling them.

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https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-8-pro/themes/magisk-debloat-eagle-debloater-v1-t4095963
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Senior Members @methuntt and @musicman5844 did us all a 'great' service. Give them a big thanks !

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https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-8-pro/themes/magisk-debloat-eagle-debloater-v1-t4095963
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Senior Members @methuntt and @musicman5844 did us all a 'great' service. Give them a big thanks !
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OP doesn't want to unlock his bootloader or root his device

Anything you want to uninstall you can using ADB if root is an issue.
Any OnePlus device will have minimal bloat compared to turds like Samsung and Huawei.
Fire up ADB and remove what you don't want.

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https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-8-pro/themes/magisk-debloat-eagle-debloater-v1-t4095963
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Senior Members @methuntt and @musicman5844 did us all a 'great' service. Give them a big thanks !
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You are all welcome for sure ..

You can even use SD maid to know the package names and their categories if they fall into user or system apps

Yes, SD Maid works a treat!

I use SD maid to disable receiver per app bases which I don't use much through its receiver manager. It helps me avoid background running or auto start on boot which helps me save lot of battery.

OxygenOS bloated ? Try OneUI OS from samsung..

OneUI is way more bloated compared to Oxygen OS.