So I was thinking of buying a 10 off of eBay for around $165. Is this phone's development dead, other than maintenance, since I'd assume HTC will not support it for Android Pie being 2.5 years old. Without oem firmware can this phone even work on stock Android, like 9.0 Lineage or something equivalent? Would anyone recommend buying this so late in its lifecycle?
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So I was thinking of buying a 10 off of eBay for around $165. Is this phone's development dead, other than maintenance, since I'd assume HTC will not support it for Android Pie being 2.5 years old. Without oem firmware can this phone even work on stock Android, like 9.0 Lineage or something equivalent? Would anyone recommend buying this so late in its lifecycle?
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For that price, I would say yes since it's still pretty powerful. I believe Lineage development is proceeding on this phone but you can check that out yourself in the LOS thread. There won't be anymore updates from HTC.
Ultimately it'll depend on your budget, so if you can spend more, you can always go for something newer
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So I was thinking of buying a 10 off of eBay for around $165. Is this phone's development dead, other than maintenance, since I'd assume HTC will not support it for Android Pie being 2.5 years old. Without oem firmware can this phone even work on stock Android, like 9.0 Lineage or something equivalent? Would anyone recommend buying this so late in its lifecycle?
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At the risk of driving up the price, since I'm currently looking too, I'd say "yes." I have been scouring the smartphone marked for a device no larger than the HTC 10, with sdcard support that runs on Verizon with all features (i.e. wifi calling, hd calling, etc.)
Nothing exists yet. While the Sony Xperia and LG models are appealing, they are (with the exception of the Compact) larger and heavier. Plus they have their own issues (Sony puts out more flagships so models are outmoded more quickly; and their support is allegedly mediocre, not that HTC's is anything to write home about). I even toyed with abandoning ship and moving to iphone, but largely their devices are larger and of course no sdcard support (plus, I hate iOS and many must-have apps are Android only). I even toyed with a U12+, but they're too damn expensive, and for reasons I'm not allowed to say, it wouldn't be my first, second or third choice of handsets.
My 10 dates from the first day of availability, which means the 3,000 mAh battery now has the life of a 1450 mAh battery which is just not good enough to function with. A brand new in box HTC 10 will have an "older" but unused battery and that alone would wake it worth the purchase.
That having been said, yes, development is mostly dead. It's possible someone will port Pie to the device, but honestly, Oreo is so aweful on it that if I bought a "new" 10 now, I'd probably try to keep it on Nougat indefinitely. At least until there are new flagships next spring, maybe even one from HTC that isn't so damn twitchy with unusable non-buttons.
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Hello! I've currently got an HTC Desire and I'm not that happy with Android. I'm tired of the laggy, inconsistant and boring UI of both Sense and stock Android. I've had an iPod Touch and I've got an iPad and I'm a big fan of iOS, but I want to try something new.
I've been reading about WP7 a lot and it looks very interesting, I've also tried different WP7 phones in stores and I fell in love with the smoothness and consistant Metro UI.
The phone that I'm thinking of at the moment is the HD2, I think that it would be a good choice for me because it is able to run a various number of platforms (I like modding my phone and trying new stuff). So I've got a few questions about the phone:
The phone is almost 2 years old, is it hardware good enough to meet todays and tomorrow's requirements?
How is the screen of the HD2 compared to the Desire's (WVGA, 3,7", AMOLED)? Does multi-touch gestures work well? Is it dual-touch or does it support more than two fingers?
Is Spotify available for WP7 yet?
Are any key features missing in the WP7 port for HD2 (such as camera, headphone jack or WiFi not working?)?
What other platforms than Android, WM 6.5 and WP7 does the HD2 run? I saw that there are sections for Ubuntu and MeeGo here at XDA, are those platforms stable enough for daily use? How well does Android run?
Should I buy a used one or a new one?
How is the battery life?
What are your opinions? Would you buy a HD2 today? Opinions and recommendations about other phones are welcome as well!
Thanks in advance
1. I'd say yes. It might get a little more outdated when two core or even quad core processors roll out. One the other hand, there is no operating system that could use more power than HD2 has.
2. Screen is the weakest part of HD2, AMOLED technology is a lot better in terms of picture quality as well as power saving. I'd say it is just OK.
3. No idea.
4. No idea.
5. HD2 can currently run WM6.5, WP7 and Android - all stable and all working. Meego and Ubuntu are rather proof of concepts and not useful for daily use.
6. Now this is up to you. If you're short of money, go for used one. If you can afford a new one, get a new one.
7. Depends how much you use the phone, what operating system you're running etc. I managed to get about 4 days of standby(stock battery!) on Android with automatic internet connection and mail syncing every 30 minutes and 3G off. I consider it pretty good for a smartphone.
However, the most important thing about this phone is the number of supporters here at XDA. There are hundreds of ROMs to choose from, you can try a new one every day And well, I do not think there are many phones that can multiboot two systems(there are some that can handle different systems, but each change requires reflash).
I am a person who can afford any phone any time. If someone told me that there is a HD2 with amoled screen, quad core cpu and 4 gigs of ram and (it still can multiboot) for $2000, I'd buy it right away. Back to reality - in my opinion there is no better phone out there.
Well, it's hardware is now pretty old compared to most of the phones out there. But it still works I haven't seen any place where I'd be like oh crap I wish I had another phone this is just too slow.. Never.
Screen = Big Let Down. You won't be all that happy with the screen rest assured
Multi-touch works well but not so well in WP7. I believe it is dual touch.
Spotify is available on WP7 last I checked it will take you a spotify wp7 google search.
Meego, Ubuntu not for daily use development has as far as I remember become extremely slow.
Key feature missing in WP7 for HD2 is camera gives green tint when used with flash. And imo camera quality is never as good with android or wp7 than with WM6.5 for hd2.
Take a used one from craigslist. Should be good enough.
Battery life not as good due to the aforementioned screen and 1250 mAh battery.
But, I still personally love my HD2 and won't part with it till the development from this community stops and I honestly believe WP7 would surely work perfect on the HD2 in the near future. Peace
Thanks for the responses! The only thing that makes me doubt atm is the screen.. Really love the blacks on the Desire's AMOLED display, but I guess that I'll get used to the HD2's display.
Anyone done the jump from AMOLED/S-LCD/S-AMOLED to LCD?
Kinda.. My bro has a Galaxy S another has a S2 a friend has Sensation.. So seen many pretty nice screens must admit my hd2 looks pretty sad in front of those displays.. But, when I show them Android CM7, Sense, WP7 and all.. They all say please tell us how to do it
Go get an hd2 it will be the best thing that ever happened to you cell phone wise
I won't make another topic for the same question, so I just reply to this one. I hope it won't call as digging up...
After XDA threads answering 90% of my questions, I still have one:
I will be able to afford an HD2 in March-April 2012. That said, I don't want to end up thinking "Gosh, why did I buy it?" after 3-4 months; is this phone still able to survive another year of support here, at XDA? I don't have enough cash to buy another $400 phone after half a year, so it is quite important.
Thanks in advance.
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I won't make another topic for the same question, so I just reply to this one. I hope it won't call as digging up...
After XDA threads answering 90% of my questions, I still have one:
I will be able to afford an HD2 in March-April 2012. That said, I don't want to end up thinking "Gosh, why did I buy it?" after 3-4 months; is this phone still able to survive another year of support here, at XDA? I don't have enough cash to buy another $400 phone after half a year, so it is quite important.
Thanks in advance.
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to be honest, it is a guess at this time. i mean in 6 months from now, there might be some new amazing things on the market. i would just come back and check in 5 months or so. and nicely done, not starting a new thread!
If i were u i wont even think of getting this phone.
Ya in 6 months from not there will be more new stuff out there. So talking of the current market i think compared to other newer phones the HD2 is really good. 4.3 inch display, capability to rum multiple OS's. And it's blazing fast in wp7 and android
BUT...
Just google the number of HD2 users suffering with the same fault it has. I'm a victim of the same and i feel like dashing this crap on the floor. I'm sick and tired of this. Even after performing a mtty still it restarts.
So..
Either u have to be really like others to get a good phone without any faults or you too will be suffering like the rest of the HD2 owners. WHY TAKING THAT CHANCE? IF I WERE YOU I WOULD NOT EVEN IF IT CAN RUN 1000 OS's..
I am really happy with my HD2 & it has been faultless for me on my personal setup WM6.5.x, but if you are likely to be going Android you are better looking at newer devices that are native Android.
Most hardware failures & bugs are on those users running Multi OSs or Nand Droid/W7 .
Thinking of Buying an HD2?
Thinking of Buying an HD2?
Read here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1284389
and here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1271507
Those of you suffering WP7 restarts/freeze etc, get yourselves a new SD Card. There's plenty of data on this in the WP7 forum.
Thanks for answering, it really means a lot to me.
Ok, time to explain my history (which is a long and complicated one):
I am 15 years old, so I just have to rely on my parents' money. I got my first mobile when I was... 9? Something like that. I remember, how everyone in the school was excited by color screens! And l was proud of having a camera, even though the quality of the photos was pretty bad. But, hey, it was a camera! In the mobile!
In 2007 I got my first "smartphone". It was Nokia 6120 classic with Symbian. But I was scared about losing the warranty, so I didn't do much with it (that is, I didn't "hack" the Symbian, which is still nothing compared to modding Android). Still, I was happy with it for 2 years.
But then comes 2009 and "touchscreen time". God, how the prices of those phones dropped then! I bought a Samsung Corby. Yeah, it was a downgrade from Symbian, but at least I was able to get used to the touchscreen. I sold it in March 2011 for an acceptable price.
And here comes the "smartphone age". I bought my Galaxy Spica in July 2011. I know, probably You haven't heard of this phone, but in Poland and Russia it is quite popular. I bought it simply because of the mods - right now it is considered "The slowest phone ever" on some Polish Android forum, but, guess what? I am happy with it. It is running CM6 right now and is currently lying on my left, charging happily.
If I'm happy - why should I replace it? Well, first of all, the battery got klilled. One day I can go through 8 lessons and the phone will still be at 100%, and next day, without even touching it - bam, drops to 52%. I know, replace the battery and so on, and so on. But it really sometimes makes me mad when I have to do a "battery reset" for the third time, because it won't unlock...
I remember how I was scared before the first root of my Spica... And it went great, start to finish! Everything goes great when You follow the guides, that's what I learned in the past few months. No phone can be compared to HD2 when it comes to modding (at least IMHO), and it gives you the "WOW" factor among your friends, hehe! Nothing better then coming to a group of people showing off their 199$ Android phone and showing them the HD2's dual-boot!
What really made me excited about the HD2 is not only a modders paradise it offers, but also the wonderful support here. Heck, the HD2 Android board has more posts than most other phones section added up! And more, and more posts are coming up everyday. I would really like to have, like, 4 smartphones in my house - Android, iPhone, WP7 and probably another Android... But I just don't have the money for it. (*blames his country for its poor wages*) I do not demand every new version of Android or WP7 being ported to HD2 (because it's just too much), but I'd be happy with, let's say, one-two next major versions of Android and the next major version of WP7.
In one sentence: I definitely enjoy modding everything, I love the big choice of ROMs available here and I just hope the development doesn't stop on Mango and Gingerbread - if it's so: HD2, here I come!
If You really read the whole story (written in a very poor English - sorry, I'm a native Polish speaker), then congrats, and I hope You will be able to answer my question: Will HD2 as a multi-OS phone satisfy my needs, which are not connected to display or dual-core, but tot the software only? And sorry for the chaotic post, I shouldn't have replied in the midnight. ^^
Get one. I broke mine and am currently looking for another HD2. I could go get the new GSII but I don't really want it.
stepthehen said:
Thinking of Buying an HD2?
Read here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1284389
and here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1271507
Those of you suffering WP7 restarts/freeze etc, get yourselves a new SD Card. There's plenty of data on this in the WP7 forum.
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Ok, that is enough for me, I am going for it... After I get the money of course.
BTW: @stepthehen: I've read the second story before and that's why I asked - if this phone has gone through two years and can mean so much for people...
It is a great phone & if the price is right then still a trenendous bit of kit.
The flip side : if you are not likely to want WM6.5.x or multi-boot & are paying high end price then it is not the best option.
Mister B said:
It is a great phone & if the price is right then still a trenendous bit of kit.
The flip side : if you are not likely to want WM6.5.x or multi-boot & are paying high end price then it is not the best option.
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My mum says it is quite expensive, but, hey! Many phones nowadays have similar, if not worse, specs, but they are being sold with a higher price tag, simply because "they're new".
And I do want the multi-boot and I do want to play with OSes. Actually it's my #1 reason. ^^
its been almost a year since Ive last visited this forum but I noticed that the HD2 is STILL on the forum list! makes me really glad I bought my HD2 (which Im still using). I wonder for how much longer before its considered "legacy". Ill be sure to return to mourn that day.
What has contributed to its longevity? What makes this phone so attractive compared to the many superior options spec wise?
Meteo said:
its been almost a year since Ive last visited this forum but I noticed that the HD2 is STILL on the forum list! makes me really glad I bought my HD2 (which Im still using). I wonder for how much longer before its considered "legacy". Ill be sure to return to mourn that day.
What has contributed to its longevity? What makes this phone so attractive compared to the many superior options spec wise?
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I think that it's a great phone for it's price tag and also it's time. It was launched in 2009 and for those who had Windows Mobile 6.5 on it has for sure thrown their device long time ago.
I think there was definetly some error on microsoft's part there. the HD2 was the device that basically stood in the middle of the transition of the old smartphones to the newer generation of smartphones, you know, the goods, Cortex A9, 1ghz, 4.3 incher, capacitive screen, etc.
It was the first to feature a very large display and be available on most networks at the same time.
It had amazing hardware at the time, but the operating system didnt not make good use of it, so hence people decided to port android to it.
Fast forward a bit, and you'll find out that it's the device that microsoft developed their first generation windows phone 7 on, making it 100% compatible with it and adding another operating system to the plethora of stuff the HD2 can do.
Other projects such as windows 95/98, ubuntu and meego also popped up, but none of them managed to get that momentum going and become a daily driver rom.
Yeah, long live
I simply can't name ANY other phone with that much care and attention from developers. It's amazing.
This is the third year i'm using the my hd2. and i think its appropriate to call this phone legendary!
Definitely a great phone. I'm still on WM.
While I'm slowly finding Android apps that could replace my few and favorites in WM, I have NOT found any good Android phone that has the same size as the HD2.
You'd think that by now, 2012, 3 years the HD2 was released that they would have a phone that has a 4.3" display and less bezel. All the new phones (at 4.3") are much taller than the HD2's 122mm. It's disappointing..
I'm still using my HD2 on it's original WM and it's great and dependable.
I've been having some issues with my Note 3. My current ROM is no longer supported (CleanROM), and in fact, the dev retired from android altogether.
I looked around at some of the threads for a new ROM, and they all seem to be filled with dead links.
So I'm thinking it's time to move on to a new phone. I've heard that the current lineup from Samsung has issues, so I'm kinda curious what everybody else is going to or what you recommend.
Plenty of live roms on here .
Staying with Note 3 me .
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I've been having some issues with my Note 3. My current ROM is no longer supported (CleanROM), and in fact, the dev retired from android altogether.
I looked around at some of the threads for a new ROM, and they all seem to be filled with dead links.
So I'm thinking it's time to move on to a new phone. I've heard that the current lineup from Samsung has issues, so I'm kinda curious what everybody else is going to or what you recommend.
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I advice to you that incredible ROM that make my NOTE 3 revive by its smoothness, speed, power in games, extraordinary good battery life !!!!
The link : http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-3/development/6-0-1-touchwiz-marshmallow-note-3-t3349306
Enjoy !
Xaotikdesigns said:
I've been having some issues with my Note 3. My current ROM is no longer supported (CleanROM), and in fact, the dev retired from android altogether.
I looked around at some of the threads for a new ROM, and they all seem to be filled with dead links.
So I'm thinking it's time to move on to a new phone. I've heard that the current lineup from Samsung has issues, so I'm kinda curious what everybody else is going to or what you recommend.
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Actually newer Samsung phones almost don't need rooting and flashing to be usable.
And the Note 6 (latest rumors claim it's gonna be called Note 7) is going to be a massive powerhouse, you could wait for it to come out in August.
In the meantime the OnePlus 3 is going to come out.
Huawei P9 Plus is also good, from what I've read.
Pick one.
sirobelec said:
Actually newer Samsung phones almost don't need rooting and flashing to be usable.
And the Note 6 (latest rumors claim it's gonna be called Note 7) is going to be a massive powerhouse, you could wait for it to come out in August.
In the meantime the OnePlus 3 is going to come out.
Huawei P9 Plus is also good, from what I've read.
Pick one.
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I have discovered Meizu and it's the best Android constructor.
I have the PRO 5 (409euros = 420$) and it's the best smartphone of 2015 ! Better flagship for that price !
-> 4GB DDR4 RAM, 64GB ROM, similar specs as the S6 Edge, but more powerful
+ 200GB ext-sdcard Lexar 633x (115euros = 125$)
And the best of this phone is its alone button to do "back" and "home", his OS FlyMe, like Touchwiz, based on Android, but with Apple inspiration for good ideas...
And that phone has an incredible good audio render ! With a DAC (digital to analog converter) integrated.
cedric3 said:
I have discovered Meizu and it's the best Android constructor.
I have the PRO 5 (409euros = 420$) and it's the best smartphone of 2015 ! Better flagship for that price !
-> 4GB DDR4 RAM, 64GB ROM, similar specs as the S6 Edge, but more powerful
+ 200GB ext-sdcard Lexar 633x (115euros = 125$)
And the best of this phone is its alone button to do "back" and "home", his OS FlyMe, like Touchwiz, based on Android, but with Apple inspiration for good ideas...
And that phone has an incredible good audio render ! With a DAC (digital to analog converter) integrated.
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This thing was the best phone of 2015, I agree here.
But we gotta look forward.
I myself still haven't found something truly powerful enough to justify an upgrade from my Note 3, but this Autumn there will be some heavy hitters that might make me consider it. Note 6 (or 7, whatever they gonna call it), the new Nexus phones...
coming from the HTC m8 and this is the second closest thing to a cheap phone that throwing build quality away! (or is all glass). the first being the HTC 10 which is actually cheaper at 160$ but for people on that side of xda said that its battery cant handle anything. what about the Axon 7? I'd be flashing Stock on day one so skin isn't a factor for me.
No. the phone has a very good hardware, but the software is very unstable and nothing works. stay away.
Mine works. Still my daily driver on stock Oreo. I think many people stuff with their phones too much and ruin them.
I have bought mine several weeks ago and I am quite happy about it. A good thing is that there are lots and lots of working ROMs and utilities for it. It is almost unbrickable also.
I love the phone. I prefer Huawei but zte is great too. THe axon 7 is a great phone but the axon m is on sale everywhere for 200. I would get that. comes with the 821 and 4 gb of ram and fold in half screen.
I'm still using my Axon 7 as a daily driver. I think for $200 it's still a solid buy in 2019.
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No. the phone has a very good hardware, but the software is very unstable and nothing works. stay away.
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Can you elaborate more on what you mean by the software is unstable and nothing works? Just curious because I've been running all versions of stock Android and never encountered anything unstable, nor would I claim that nothing works. Phone works awesome even in 2019. Sure we don't have any updated cellular bands, or most recent hardware, but the phone is still solid for general use.
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Can you elaborate more on what you mean by the software is unstable and nothing works? Just curious because I've been running all versions of stock Android and never encountered anything unstable, nor would I claim that nothing works. Phone works awesome even in 2019. Sure we don't have any updated cellular bands, or most recent hardware, but the phone is still solid for general use.
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If you are ok with being on Nougat for the rest of the time you have this phone, then it is a good deal for you, use Nougat stock and stay there. Everything Oreo is broken in some way and drains more battery, ZTE gave us broken Oreo and quit dev for this phone.
Then there is Pie GSI via Treble, which will break more features and opens up another mess of things to learn, and you will be flashing things almost daily trying to fix something, which will most likely break something else.
Hardware specs are good, but software is a mess. Unless like I say, stay on Nougat.
As much as I love my Axon 7, and not going to replace it anytime soon, I think the Pocophone F1 is a much better choice hardware-wise in 2019 and it costs not much more than 200$.
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If you are ok with being on Nougat for the rest of the time you have this phone, then it is a good deal for you, use Nougat stock and stay there. Everything Oreo is broken in some way and drains more battery, ZTE gave us broken Oreo and quit dev for this phone.
Then there is Pie GSI via Treble, which will break more features and opens up another mess of things to learn, and you will be flashing things almost daily trying to fix something, which will most likely break something else.
Hardware specs are good, but software is a mess. Unless like I say, stay on Nougat.
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What about the LOS and PIE based roms? From reading some of those threads it appears they work well? No?
Would like to point out that Shift phone has just released there new phone 6mq with changeable battery, Jack stick and Micro SD card! The 3 main things a mobile NEED to even be interesting to look at.
I have now rooted the Shift 6mq phone with Magisk and we have a dirty TWRP working as well, although still having issues on the later but it is in its beginning stages of this phone. SHIFT6mq - Bootloader unlock / Root / Custom Recoveries / ROMs | SHIFTPHONES
Would anyone be willing to look at the Shift 6mq so we can further support this little German company who goes against the stream of nonsense, it has Android 10 out of the box, they are still working on a Google version and a Light version so you have the choice.
But it is looking good, finally a contender to the old LG V20 - which I have had for my daily driver for 4-5 years or so. A wonderful phone although getting old and it had its shortcomings as well, like the screen Ghosting and not easy to root if even possible.
The LG V20 was the last flagship phone with the 3 essentials - and now we FINALY have something to take over from here!
Would love to see the community support this new mobile and help these guys out, I have toyed and tinkered around with it - and it is possible to pretty much ruin it and get it up and running again although a lot of hooping around, but it can be done already.
So if anyone have the know how, or interest to support a little company who at least stands on some sanity with there phone - it would be nice to see LineageOS support for it.
I don't know much about stuff like that, I just do some newbie rooting and such at the moment, having had to root my new used V20 F800K that already sadly does ghosting. And my new Shift 6mq which I got 10 days after my V20 F800K rescue boat came around to relieve my old V20 H990N Hongkong version as it was and is falling apart. I did not know when I would receive my Shift 6mq but it came around 10 days after I got the new used Korean version of the LG V20. Anyway at least it could be rooted, so that will help me get all my applications over to the new Shift 6mq, which is another milestone that needs to be walked.
Anyway, if any programmers are out there, or people who knows stuff, it would be a nice project for some sanity to support this new phone from Shift, seemingly a good replacement for the old LG V20. I still need to get it up and running and see how it works in daily use, but it looks like it will be a good phone for the next 5 years for me.
Not a surprise it is faster then the LG V20, benchmark shows a good leap - 128 GB of internal space although the system itself is 21 GB compared to 9 GB on the LG V20 which had 64 GB. 8 GB of Ram, although not sure what I need that much for, but I could not live without more internal space as I am always using it so quick on the LG V20, books, maps and such takes a lot of space and what not. One of the reasons I disqualified the Fairphone 3 when looking at both phones, only having 64GB of internal memory, is just not going to do it for me. I actually ended up just ordering another LG V20 but because of corona nonsense they would not send it to me, being much cheaper solution. And needing a new phone, I had to then go with the Shift 6mq which was 5-6 times as much compared to the 4-5 year old LG V20. Anyway, if a phone does not have the 3 essentials, I won't buy it, not interested!
Anyway...
So guys, anyone up for looking at it? If you need any help I am here. I have toyed around with it, and breaking it, I can get it up and running again. I've done it a couple of times now... And still doing some testing on TWRP which seems to have a failing bug that I need to report.
But in any case, would love to see anyone starting working on it.
Dearly regards
- Darkijah
You did a great thing by using a phone for over 4 years. These are why companies are making better phones with long term support - if you can replace the battery or screen for cheap, and your carrier doesn't offer you a "deal" on a new phone, why would you want one?
Now me on the other hand, in 6 years I've daily driven 5 phones and 8 versions of Android, including 4 custom ROMs.
HOWEVER, I did it sustainably - using only phones given to me for free with the exception of the Moto G and a used S10e.