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Hello TMO-US HD2 users.
I've had the phone for about 1 week now, and have customized it quite a bit, however, looking down the road and also looking at the support for the OS, I have had several doubts about keeping the phone.
I look at the Nexus One with android, and see the support is ridiculous for it, there is a future.
However, for our HD2's running WM6.5.x, won't see WM7 and if we do, it will be restricted like Apple's OS, which I certainly do not want.
I want to ask you guys what you would do in my situation.
I have 7 days left to return the phone to tmobile, and either get the Nokia N900 or the Nexus One. (Leaning more to Nexus one since the android support is HUGE)
Majority of the reason is the intermittent 3G service and future is looking bleak for the HD2.
Anyone else in my shoes, thoughts?
I have both..
I have both. My HD2 is collecting dust. Even with Dutty's ROM it can not hold a candle to the nexus one.
I've always wanted the n900 but the resistive displays scratch too easily, and I hate screen protectors.
Nexus One all the Way!!!!!!!
(no disrespect to HD2 it's a great device)
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Hello TMO-US HD2 users.
I've had the phone for about 1 week now, and have customized it quite a bit, however, looking down the road and also looking at the support for the OS, I have had several doubts about keeping the phone.
I look at the Nexus One with android, and see the support is ridiculous for it, there is a future.
However, for our HD2's running WM6.5.x, won't see WM7 and if we do, it will be restricted like Apple's OS, which I certainly do not want.
I want to ask you guys what you would do in my situation.
I have 7 days left to return the phone to tmobile, and either get the Nokia N900 or the Nexus One. (Leaning more to Nexus one since the android support is HUGE)
Majority of the reason is the intermittent 3G service and future is looking bleak for the HD2.
Anyone else in my shoes, thoughts?
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It depends what you want. I'm happy with what the HD2 can do now. I prefer WinMo, and it has enough apps available now to keep me happy for a while. By the time it really starts feeling outdated because of lack of support, I'm sure I'll be ready for a new phone. My next phone I'm sure will be android, as I'm not liking the way WinPhone7 is looking either.
But this site is enough support for me to be happy with WinMo at least for the next year.
Coming from an N95, I know I will love the N900's GPS/Camera features, and the new Maemo OS seems to have 4500+ apps already! while WM has <2000
If i trade it in, I will definitely miss the large screen on the HD2...
Why do people think that the HD2 is going to instantly die when WinPhone7 comes out?
WinPhone7 is a glorified feature-phone OS, not a true smart-phone, rather like our Apple friends.
And anyway, take a look at this forum, there are a fair few devices still supported by this community that use WinMo5, let alone 6.5/6.5.x, so it proves an OS doesn't die once a new version is released.
I wish i could return mine, for the N1 but w.e. Though they might be Android on HD2..
KidTech said:
I wish i could return mine, for the N1 but w.e. Though they might be Android on HD2..
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Don't rely on an android port to be used as a full-time os... it will be a long time before it's functional enough to use as the main os on the hd2. You'll probably be ready for a new phone by that time. It'll still even be a while before there's even a bootable copy of android. Don't get peoples hopes up thinking they can run android on the HD2 soon.... we already have enough posts being started by people who think it will be ready soon.
I had the HD2, now I have the HTC DESIRE - A MILLION TIMES BETTER
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Why do people think that the HD2 is going to instantly die when WinPhone7 comes out?
WinPhone7 is a glorified feature-phone OS, not a true smart-phone, rather like our Apple friends.
And anyway, take a look at this forum, there are a fair few devices still supported by this community that use WinMo5, let alone 6.5/6.5.x, so it proves an OS doesn't die once a new version is released.
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I'm not afraid it will die, but rather, the support for android is MUCH more than WM 6.5.x and I doubt, even after the revival of WM devices, that the support will grow to that of android.
The phone is gorgeous...I just wish it had android
cgrec92 said:
I had the HD2, now I have the HTC DESIRE - A MILLION TIMES BETTER
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It's funny i hear this kind of stuff all the time. I love my HD2 but ive just bought a HTC desire for my daughter so I'll get a chance to do a really good comparison.
I wonder if Android is all its cracked up to be
RReckless
I got HD2 to last me couple of years and will keep it that long - after that I will get something else...
I had the Nexus 1 for 2 months then sold it to buy the Nexus 1 ATT 3G version but I thought I would try the HD2 as a comparison to see which i liked better. I've had my HD2 for about 2 months and at this point I think I'm going to stick with my HD2, the hardware is so sweet! Nexus 1 is easier to use and customize and competes more directly with the iPhone with the Android market. I still have my G1 which I am constantly flashing with new roms but my main phone is my HD2 which I love.
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/04/27/google.nexus.one/
why nexus one and not desire?
i would miss the huge screen from our beloved hd2 just awesome watch some movies...
think best "enemy" to hd2 will be evo 4g...but release is some months away
DN41
Desire is great, but I rather wait for a GSM version of Evo or Incredible than saying farewell with my HD2 right now
Android is overrated. The only real useful advantage Android held (for me) was the much more integrated and well-developed Market.
If you have the time to hunt and peck for exactly the applications you need, the HD2 is really the best you can get. The Nexus One has inferior build quality (physical trackball, "teflon" build) and an inferior Pentile display (the cheapest AMOLED type available; it doesn't hold a candle to better AMOLED displays).
I've used the Nexus One and stock Android just sucks, in any iteration. I was only really impressed with how clean and useful the Google-developed apps were for the device (Maps, Goggles, Mail, et cetera). If you're heavily invested into Google's web-based applications the Nexus One and Android could easily be the ticket into smartphone satisfaction. As for me, however, I hardly touch my Google account.
You very explicitly void your warranty with the Nexus One if you root it, which unfortunately also makes it infinitely more useful and enjoyable. With the HD2 you can HardSPL but go back and the RMA department won't give a damn. And I much prefer a decent WinMo ROM to a rooted Android, surprisingly enough. The organizing functionality and pure business capabilities of Windows Mobile aren't quite matched by Android yet, even with Google Sync.
I'm surprised with all the Android evangelists out and about nowadays. Ever since it became cool to bash Windows Mobile for being a perfectly serviceable (if demanding) smartphone OS, the general public have been clamoring for a new smartphone OS to champion them all.
But the very truth of it is that Android OS is actually more similar to Windows Mobile than it is different. Windows Mobile is actually more mature and capable given its age and well-developed feature-set. A good friend of mine once dismayed that "Android is going down the path of Windows Mobile." I concurred.
I prefer android. I have an Incredible for a work phone, and the HD2 for my personal phone. I forward calls to the Incredible all the time. Sure the HD2 is impressive for it's screen size and how vibrant it is, but for me tho OS was too slow compared to my Incredible. I've used android since the G1, I was a preorder guy. Before that I was on winmo. It's all about what's the right fit for the end user though, so while we can all give you our opinions, in the end you have to pick what's the best fit for you. I can tell you I've been hunting for a week now on Craigslist for a Nexus One, and have gotten close to a few trades. So there are people on both sides that want the one they don't have
Ok, today was definitely nerve racking for me. Phone froze well over 5 times and the only thing I was doing was replying to messages or on a call looking for numbers.
Can someone tell me what I should do to stop the freezing?
Will flashing the phone with a ROM help?
what does flashing the phone even do? and the radio???
friend'scatdied said:
Android is overrated. The only real useful advantage Android held (for me) was the much more integrated and well-developed Market.
If you have the time to hunt and peck for exactly the applications you need, the HD2 is really the best you can get. The Nexus One has inferior build quality (physical trackball, "teflon" build) and an inferior Pentile display (the cheapest AMOLED type available; it doesn't hold a candle to better AMOLED displays).
I've used the Nexus One and stock Android just sucks, in any iteration. I was only really impressed with how clean and useful the Google-developed apps were for the device (Maps, Goggles, Mail, et cetera). If you're heavily invested into Google's web-based applications the Nexus One and Android could easily be the ticket into smartphone satisfaction. As for me, however, I hardly touch my Google account.
You very explicitly void your warranty with the Nexus One if you root it, which unfortunately also makes it infinitely more useful and enjoyable. With the HD2 you can HardSPL but go back and the RMA department won't give a damn. And I much prefer a decent WinMo ROM to a rooted Android, surprisingly enough. The organizing functionality and pure business capabilities of Windows Mobile aren't quite matched by Android yet, even with Google Sync.
I'm surprised with all the Android evangelists out and about nowadays. Ever since it became cool to bash Windows Mobile for being a perfectly serviceable (if demanding) smartphone OS, the general public have been clamoring for a new smartphone OS to champion them all.
But the very truth of it is that Android OS is actually more similar to Windows Mobile than it is different. Windows Mobile is actually more mature and capable given its age and well-developed feature-set. A good friend of mine once dismayed that "Android is going down the path of Windows Mobile." I concurred.
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Let's break your post down by paragraph
1. Teflon build? Cheap AMOLED? Clearly subjective. Even if it is a cheap AMOLED screen it's a much better and brighter the one on the HD2 and won't kill your battery as much either.
2. Again, subjective with the personal opinions that are faaaar from fact.
3. Flashing your WinMo phone with a ROM voids your warranty too.
The rest was just a wall of personal opinion text that really doesn't hold any weight as fact, your a winmo fanboy so I ignored it.
lets clear that out...
i would say there isnt much difference between the two phones.
theyre both great...
anything else is just subjective.
DN41
I originally started my love affair with Windows Mobile in my early teens when I received a Compaq Ipaq for which I had no real need for at the time. I then progressed to an Artemis (XDA Orbit), later a Touch Cruise (XDA Orbit 2) and finally last year a Rhodium (Touch Pro 2). While aware of Android's rise, and almost purchasing a Hero at the time I bought my Rhodium, I stuck to what I knew best.
At the time I believed my choice to have been the correct one. While the Hero looked pretty cool, I couldn't leave behind WM. I thought the TouchFlo 3D/Sense was beautiful (weather animations!), if only skin deep, and apps such as Coreplayer and FPSCE reinforced my belief that WM was still a relevant OS.
That was until I started playing around with the XDAndroid Port.
It was then I saw the potential of Android. The highly customisable interface, social network/google account integration, the awesome apps on the market and the speed of the webkit based browser! Everytime I returned to Windows Mobile I felt underwhelmed. I was never a fan of the iPhone however understood it had changed the game in regards to smartphones. Android was the best of both worlds, open source with a great community, fully touch UI with a growing appstore gaining support from major brands/developers.
While the Rhodium port was gathering pace, it was suffering from power management issues, backlight/wifi problems and most importantly, no sound. I knew from experience with the Touch Cruise that the progress was going to be slow but how long before a fully working port was available was anyones guess (Still not there!). It was then that I decided my days with Windows Mobile were coming to an end. Google had recently released the Nexus One which for me was perfect and after a few weeks of deliberating I made the jump and have never looked back.
Now I was always a vociferous defender of Windows Mobile but from the moment I got my first real taste of Android, I saw it for what it was. It hadn't really changed since that Compaq Ipaq and was so out of date it almost smelt off! I still have a soft spot for it, hence my lurking around the old boards seeing how you're all getting on. Since I heard about the breakthrough regarding the HD2 Android Port i've been looking on with great interest. It's fun reading through the threads and seeing people going through the same process that I did only a few months before.
Now I've seen a few posts where people have already stated that they are now seriously considering selling their HD2 and moving on to a "real" Android phone. My question is, how many more of you are there? Have any other people had the same change of heart now they have seen the possiblities?
Regards.
From the title of this article, I thought you meant the iphone 4!!
WM still does it for me - a mobile office, not a silly teenager's tweeting toy, it's still good, and I will use my remaining WM 6.x gadgets as long as they hold out.
When that happens which is probably in a year's time, I'll see what the market looks like, right now, it looks like it will mean a move to Android, but you never know WP7 might come through.
You never know, the iphone 4 may turn out to be a good phone.
rjstep3
I probably will. I like stability and if Android can stop my soft resets I'll be happy. Plus, I miss the apps. Even though it's infuriating to download the most popular task manager in the market place and to discover it has ads. Then you download the next one down and it also has ads.
I may be a little blind but Im sitting on the fence as Im sure many others are-
At the moment I have an unlocked HD2 for AT&T. This present me the following options:
1. Hold onto it for its beautiful screen, sexy home page, and accept the clunky deeper interface that is wm6.5 (Not trying to bash, its just not meant for finger friendly, and im also one of the users who suffers from slow texting issues and quick battery drains. Yes, ive tried the roms. Moving on.) The fact that I follow the Android for HD2 thread religiously shows that I am in the Android fan corner for HD2. This fact alone is one huge reason for staying power. Android on HD2 would extend the life of the HD2 dramatically. Meanwhile, WM6.5's screens past the homepage arent going to be getting any prettier.
2. Sell my HD2 Buy a Samsung Captivate since its AT&T's first true Android Smartphone and is getting rave reviews. Use my phone upgrade to get an Iphone4 for cheap, turn right around and sell it for 600 bucks (Yes, two have just sold in Phoenix for this much as well as on eBay). Be happy with my new Android phone and some extra spending cash for apps
3. Hold onto my HD2 until WP7 arrives and determine if I will use my upgrade for a new WP. If WP7 turns out to not be my cup of tea (But come on, XBOX Live and Zune integration? Im pretty much sold on that alone ) with any of the phones offered, then I shall resort to either option 1 or 2 above. I am still a huge fan of Windows Mobile, and I realize WP7 will be more akin to Apple in terms of closed source, but WP7 is what Windows needed to do. They needed to redo the deeper menus and make WM more finger friendly. Its the right step and I just hope they nail it.
Either way, Ive got my choices and am still completely on the fence. I just played around with the Captivate today and its quite an amazing and speedy phone. Not nearly as sexy as the HD2, but the functionality out of the box just felt great.
Im sure many of you are on the same fence as me and I wish you all the best in making your choice.
My contract runs out in Oct for my HD2 and I'll probably switch. Thats unless Navionics release their seachart app on Windows Mobile. if they do I'll just change to a sim only deal.
I bought the HD2 a few days ago on ebay. So far I've really enjoyed HTC sense and some other features
but the one thing I don't think I can live with is the crappy email program that comes with the phone. I absolutely hate it.
Generally speaking, I was impressed with winmo and found myself liking it despite all the negative reviews.
But I think I might switch over to the iphone.. plenty of apps, works pretty well with gmail... Otherwise I'll get some other android phone with HTC sense since thats really is a big thing for me. that and the led flash
I'm going on a 3 week trip to Europe... I guess I'll check out how far along the ports have come and then make my final decision then.
I disagree ... I was playing with Verizon's Droid X which is coming out soon - practically HD2 with Android (like EVO) and I'll tell you what: Android is one choppy OS - transitions wise iPhone wins all the way - I have HD2 and I am happy with it... it simply has better transitions then Android and what that means to the end user is most of the phone... If there is customization but the choppy one - no one will stick with it... And if 1GHz is not enough to make it smooth - I do not know then what is needed to make it smooth...
Great feedback guys! Just want to make it clear that in no way am I bashing the HD2 or WinMo, I just want to gather how many people who are using the Android port are now considering making a permanent switch. Obviously if a stable daily use ROM becomes available you won't have that problem (and I may even consider switching to HD2!!), but I succumbed to my impatience once I found myself using the unstable port more than my native WinMo OS.
Thanks for the response.
Android on HD2 isn't stable yet and won't be for a while.
I already had an Android phone before the HD2. I'm not really into the 'apps' scene or into social networking apps or games on my phone, so there isn't really much in Android for me. The google apps were better and it didn't slow down on txt messages.. but that's about it.
Android wouldn't play many video formats.. not sure if it could access my file server.. the pdf reader was poor quality.. the browser would forget all my tabs when memory ran low (probably not an issue on HD2..).. apps still crashed..
Despite WM's lack of polish in the UI and other things, I think I still like WM more. I'll probably still use WM more even if I install Android.
Just got 3 hd2's for the family. Wanted the highest spec'd winmo phone to give wp7 a chance. I haven't been that impressed with Android, apps still crash and with cht and max sense, I don't see what an android phone can do that my hd2 can't. Would never switch to at&t.
already made my choice and win mo and the hd2 won
why?...
i had a desire and hd2 for a week to trial both and although the desire was impressive i found the hd2 to be better for what i used a "phone" for...
video - more options (xvud, avi's etc) and better quality on hd2
camera - clearer and more detailed
apps - yes the android market has lots of apps but like iphone most of them are crap!, the only thing id use that winmo doesnt have is layar. winmo still has fpsece and a few more pieces of software thats unique (loving Meteor at the minute)
i also took the gamble that we'd have a decent working android port at some point anyway, are we likely to get some porting winmo on an android device? lol - not likely, so i figured that with the hd2 id got the best of both worlds and therefore more choice...
seriously, go back 2 years and you wouldnt have had the choice of different OS's on the same device. its a good job theres so many clever people in this community, they've really made a difference!
skilty said:
seriously, go back 2 years and you wouldnt have had the choice of different OS's on the same device. its a good job theres so many clever people in this community, they've really made a difference!
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Too true. Whilst I really like my HD2 and most of its features suit what I do, WiMo (in my opinion) is now over looked when it comes to new apps. I already mentioned the Navionics seacharts app that i really want and having decided to try Skype, I go to the site to find thats dropped for WiMO. I can't wait for fully functioning dual boot WiMo/Android on my HD2. That would be phone heaven
skilty said:
already made my choice and win mo and the hd2 won
why?...
i had a desire and hd2 for a week to trial both and although the desire was impressive i found the hd2 to be better for what i used a "phone" for...
video - more options (xvud, avi's etc) and better quality on hd2
camera - clearer and more detailed
apps - yes the android market has lots of apps but like iphone most of them are crap!, the only thing id use that winmo doesnt have is layar. winmo still has fpsece and a few more pieces of software thats unique (loving Meteor at the minute)
i also took the gamble that we'd have a decent working android port at some point anyway, are we likely to get some porting winmo on an android device? lol - not likely, so i figured that with the hd2 id got the best of both worlds and therefore more choice...
seriously, go back 2 years and you wouldnt have had the choice of different OS's on the same device. its a good job theres so many clever people in this community, they've really made a difference!
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Noticed a few posts regarding the video playback options so thought i'd inform you all that Android now has just as many, if not more playback options than WinMo. That was the biggest single issue for me when I made the switch. I used TCMP and Coreplayer for years. Being a Usenet/Newsgroup subscriber, I download all of my content in xvid/x264 and being able to simply drag the files across to my phone rather than convert to .mp4 was a killer feature for me. I somehow JUST mangaged to get by converting the odd film or two for long train/coach journeys!
Luckily in the past month or so, a new media player has arrived called RockPlayer, which is the first legitimate xvid/wmv/x264/mkv/mov/asf etc. player on Android. The performance is great and the UI clean and simple. It may lack the deeper options of Coreplayer, however I only ever found myself playing with the rendering options etc. when I encountered laggy playback, albeit on less powerful devices than the HD2.
Anyway, video playback should no longer be a worry for anyone considering Android. However, if like me you are outside the US, there is no Android screen as large as the HD2 (No Evo 4G ) and for that reason, I look back at you guys with envy!!
Thanks again for the great response, it's great to see the range of opinions on the matter!
Regards.
Never gonna give it up never gonna let it down ! Win 6.5 HD 2
naaaah... I'll stick to hd2. I am just a winmo man I guess... maaaan... I love this device. who needs all those fart apps? the ONLY two apps I might miss are Plants vs Zombies and Rebirth (gotta love dat synth music ).
other then that - leo... a true king of the smartphones. lol
I can't wait for a flashable android rom for the hd2. tbh, i'm just bored with minmo now and everyone seems to be making apps for iphone or android these days.
The android port for the hd2 is what made me want to go back to android. So the other day I picked up the samsung vibrant lol. I still love my hd2 though still keeping it
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Maybe im just different but why not have both? I am a tech guy who likes all platforms. I own 4 symbian phones, 2 winmo phones, and for games I own a ipod touch. I thought about android many times and was always waiting for the hardware to catch up and there are finally phones running android that have the specs I would like but they all went with cdma versions. So I will see what comes out in the future for a top spec gsm android. Another thing is I dont ever buy phones on contract and firmly believe that the carrier and phone you use should have nothing to do with each other. I bought my HD2 because I wanted a new winmo phone and there is no denying that the HD2 is the top choice for winmo. Remember no one phone will fill all your needs and manufactures do that for a reason, so you buy more phones... but this is where the consumer gets confused and think if they want new features they need a new phone, just have both! In the end though I will most likely stay away from android and go with a meego device for my linux phone kicks, as I am questioning why google feels the need to be around me 24 hours a day, in my search engine, in my web browser, in my computer OS, in my TV, in my phone? Call me old school but thats to much for me to give one company all my info, I like to keep it deverse among many companies so no one company knows everything about me. Again, maybe im just different?
Now I've seen a few posts where people have already stated that they are now seriously considering selling their HD2 and moving on to a "real" Android phone. My question is, how many more of you are there? Have any other people had the same change of heart now they have seen the possiblities?
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Having owned the Iphone2 I returned to HD2 because in my opinion Apple delivers outdated technoloy, tries to control even media content and the information value of the Apple "Today" screen is exactly zero.
A great toy for "in"-people. After two days your tired of the fancy applications and start using apps which make sense. All of these you can get for WM. Since I have not used Android I wouldn`t dare to comment. But looking at pictures of the GUI it seems to be not very different from the HTC-Sense GUI.
All in all I see no need to think about anything else than HD 2 ! I´m afraid that WM 7 will rather be a step back in the direction of Apple. Lets hope for high value software development for WM 6.5.XXXXX
I´ll keep my HD2 for another generation, I´d say. I´m perfectly fine with this
brilliant device. The apps, mods and tweaks for Manila/Sense are what I would
miss, Android does not come with that much office related stuff I use and need.
In a year or so, we´ll see an updated iPhone 5 (or whatever they´ll call it),
we´ll know more about WP7, and HTC will have HD3 and other nice devices for us.
I´ll never again buy Samsung, their products are never really close to 100%,
they just make too many half-finished products at mediocre quality.
Motorola? Nokia? SE? No way. Therefore, no options for me.
I've come from a long line of smart phones but my first android device was the dell streak...Dont get me wrong loved the device but lack of roms and development compared to the nexus one forums always made me jealous...so when the Nexus S was released I was down the shops the very day..
Got home and had the Nexus S for a while now and the numbers have grown but development never seems to be good as the HD2 forums...That thing runs everything
Is is just a case of more devs for the HD2 or is it more open?
Im so tempted to just cross over to the HD2 even though its a older device? Will I regret trading the nexus s in for the HD2? Any features I might miss?
I would say don't trade...just cop an HD2 from Craigslist or in the Marketplace...u can get one for a good price...no offense but why does everyone seem to have to only own one device..?? I switch between devices like I switch between my sneakers...
I'm guessing it's because windows 6.5 didn't need to be "rooted?" I'm not sure but when I had one, they got android ported over and I remember there wasn't anything special needed to run the rom from your sdcard. And right after I returned it they had a working version of android and windows 7 was shown running. So I guess, it's so "open" because it is "open".
Right now I'm rockin' a T-Mobile G2 rooted with Virtuous ROM 1.0.2. I love it, despite the bugs that are still there. I'm would like to get my hands on a HD2, or even a touch pro 2 haha. And I guess some people feel the need to rock 1 phone because they can't afford more. And yes, keep your nexus s. Don't get rid of it for a hd2.
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HD2 is more like the prototype, everytime something finishes, something new surfaces. The hardware flexibility and also I think the delay in launch of any good phone after HD2, made the developers more involved in this phone, making way for a lot of choices.
As I think, we get bored of the same stuff each day, unless we try and develop something new so that even the old device gets a new life.
in my opinion, a small but significant slice of the "open" nature of the HD2 can be attributed to the HD2 being fairly similar to newer devices in terms of hardware. quite a few of the newer devices after the HD2 were still snapdragon/qualcomm chipsets. really, the only NEW improvements in hardware since the HD2 have been:
1. NFC
2. HDMI output
3. 3D cameras
4. LTE, WiMAX, etc radios
...and i can't think of much more but there may be 1 or 2 more such items.
all OTHER improvements have been "evolutionary", i.e. better screen technologies, more RAM, more ROM, faster processors, faster GPUs, front video call cameras, etc.
so newer hardware was still quite similar for 1-1.5 years after the HD2's hardware, long enough that the HD2 could "copy" the drivers and ROMs of its newer rivals. and because the newer rivals were an influx of android eclair and froyo and later gingerbread and windows phone 7, etc, the HD2 got lots of lovin'!!!
Just my thoughts on the subject. I agree with the post above about the HD2 was the first device to sport the hardware it has and then so many devices followed shot with the same or close to the same hardware. Also I think it has I would like to say a lot to do with the HD2's bootloader, but.I do not have a good enough working knowledge of the bootloader to say for sure. Still I think it has something to do with it as all the device manufactures are locking down their bootloaders now. I know I meantioned hardware already, but the fact that it was the first device to have a 4.3 in screen probably has a good bit to do with devs falling in love with the HD2. As I said just my thoughts.
i think it was the bootloader wasnt locked down whcih made it easier to hack
Well, HTC hardware (especially the Windows Mobile ones) are much more easier to hack because of hardware, bootloader, etc.
In my opinion, it all started from the XDA II (HTC_Himalaya) and from then on we began a hacking-to-make-it-awesome-spree on most HTC devices
I wondered the same thing.
Another person told me that the primary factor was that it was due to the HD2 having Windows Mobile as a default OS. This factor allowed it to run WP7 (for a technical reason I fail to understand). Android, Ubuntu, and MeeGo are all open source OS, so they can be ported without a necessary underlying system.
I don't know how true this is, but it seems to make sense. As among the last of the WinMo smartphones, the HD2 is only Windows Mobile phone to have the combined advantage of a 1Ghz Snapdragon CPU, 576MB RAM, and, perhaps most importantly, it was an HTC phone.
Other standout WinMo smartphones, such as the Acer neoTouch and Toshiba TG01, had the CPU but lacked the RAM. Furthermore, the fact that they were created by Acer/Toshiba meant that they lacked the all-important XDA support (which was pretty much 90% faithful to HTC at the time). All of this combined to give the HD2 a superb stage to outperform every other phone when it comes to hackability.
Of course, this is just speculation on my part, but many other explanations just doesn't seem to work for me.
EDIT: I can't believe I completely forgot this, but there was also another super important factor that separated the HD2 from the neoTouch and TG01 -- the HD2 had a capacitive display.
the HD2 was a beast when it came out... Developers went crazy when a 4.3in 1Ghz 576MB ram WM6.5 phone came out.. It was GOLD! It was ahead of its time on how the hardware was combined and even today new phones are only starting to pass the HD2 in specs.. High Res Cameras and dual core chips are the made difference while ram in some phones is still the same or not much increase..
imo the big jump will be the phones from next year that will be released.. because 3D is useless and is just a gimmick it will die off pritty soon.. But truly powerful phones will start showing up by the end of the year and onto 2012 until then our HD2's still have a fighting chance
Keep your Nexus S... At some point development will kickoff, but it never hurts if you can have another phone laying around to mess with
Leo HD2 was a BIG hit and generated the most popular and posted forum here at XDA. That was until the big BOOM when HTC, Samsung, et al started to introduce the endless variants of the same device (or mediocre upgrade with a slightly different shell) resulting today with the overly populated XDA today.
HD2 is the only device here on XDA with the most Subforum: WM, Android, Ubuntu, WP7, and MeeGo.
My question is what and when is the next “BIG THING?” Or has it already happened? Was it an EVO3D? Where are all the new DEVELOPERS flocking to? I am NOT talking about Chefs; I am talking about people who make contributions to the future of a device.
Come on guys, get real, what other device have had this potential and strong development community! I mean, HD2 got Gingerbread way before official ROMs even rolled out to other native android devices.
So, what and when is the next “BIG THING?”
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Awaiting HTC ETERNITY
lemonspeakers said:
Leo HD2 was a BIG hit and generated the most popular and posted forum here at XDA. That was until the big BOOM when HTC, Samsung, et al started to introduce the endless variants of the same device (or mediocre upgrade with a slightly different shell) resulting today with the overly populated XDA today.
HD2 is the only device here on XDA with the most Subforum: WM, Android, Ubuntu, WP7, and MeeGo.
My question is what and when is the next “BIG THING?” Or has it already happened? Was it an EVO3D? Where are all the new DEVELOPERS flocking to? I am NOT talking about Chefs; I am talking about people who make contributions to the future of a device.
Come on guys, get real, what other device have had this potential and strong development community! I mean, HD2 got Gingerbread way before official ROMs even rolled out to other native android devices.
So, what and when is the next “BIG THING?”
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totaly agree.
Yeah!
You tell me and I'll but it :-D I just love my HD2! I actually sold it many times, but had to get one again after a while, couldn't stay away hehe. Mostly it was because of all the great people in here kept developing stuff for it!
Thanks guys for making this phone EPIC! XDA made HD2 full fill it's potential.
The real answere is: HD2
End of game for all...
i think the hd2 phenomenon happened due to the following favorable circumstances:
- at the time of its launch it was (and still is) the best wm device and also had superior hardware compared to anything else on the market (for example, the best android device was the htc hero...) - this attracted a large number of developers and users alike
- the htc android phones coming afterwards shared almost the same hardware (nexus one, desire) - this (+ the fact that android is open source) made things much easier for developers and we had the 1st succesful android port very quickly. from then on, the development exploded...
- similarily, the htc hd7 shares similar hardware to our hd2 and the developers managed to port also wp7
- the involvement of cotulla & dft - all the important steps in the development bare their name: hspl, porting android, magldr, porting wp7
regarding a possible succesor to the throne ruled by our hd2, i must admit i'm rather skeptical. the market is very diversified now with many great devices to choose which divides the developers too much...
however, my next phone will be a dual core (most probably htc or samsung) but i will wait for dft to see which model they choose...
the next big thing? hmm good question, would it be too much to ask for a 4.2" device with many finger multi touch, 32 bit display, 1024MB ROM 1024MB RAM ill keep the 5MP camera but i want propper optics on it, perhaps a 28mm or 32mm lense 12MP is pointless without optics to match, not too fussed about the CPU or GPU as the HD2 does a damn good job so whatever CPU is around, oh and something that quite easy to SPL unlock, it would need to run WM and WP too
So im guessing that just an HD2+ then
If i ever win the lottery, im gonna see how much HTC would charge to make me one
in all seriousness, there isnt anything that would significantly upshow the HD2 just now, the HD7 does a good job but its essentially the same thing, something new will need to be released, my guess is whatever the successor to the HD7 is will take the crown, so long as its unlockable
Im still waiting on my dream phone.. non of the new phones out there impress me as much as the hd2 did when it came out thats why im still stuck with my lovely hd2. What we need is manufactures to stop doing small steps (only draining our wallets) we need:
1. flexible transparent screens (its been created over 5yrs ago)
2. 8megapixel cam or higher
3. Samsung Xynos processor (2GHz) or something similar.
4.Windows phone 7 os (once its fully developed) we all know it needs to mature more to be the king.
I hope its a Nokia WP7 device...
HTC has gone into garbage mode...having produced 30 phones with similar specs and designs...with dumbdroid mainly.
I really hope its a Nokia...mainly because I'm absolutely tired of HTC's poor reception, poor battery life, crappy imaging lenses and terrible customer support...all things Nokia excels at.
Next big thing is Windows 8 Arm Edition on the HD2.
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I hope its a Nokia WP7 device...
HTC has gone into garbage mode...having produced 30 phones with similar specs and designs...with dumbdroid mainly.
I really hope its a Nokia...mainly because I'm absolutely tired of HTC's poor reception, poor battery life, crappy imaging lenses and terrible customer support...all things Nokia excels at.
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HTC Costomer service has always treated me well. Three diff times i've been pleased with it. And its not as though samsung phones get great batt life. friend had a Vibrant and the batt life was terrible. Kind of a lemon in that regard (and some others) and yet i know other Samsung phones are better. What, are you going to buy an LG? haha. our beloved suffers from a rediculously huge screen and thats partially to blame. That and the fact most people forget, on WM this thing got great batt life. And thats what it was made for. With these new processors, things should get better. Got to agree with you on the camera thing though
Definitely waiting on the Eternity Thing is beastly!!!!
Or a nice Nokia in Q4 sounds good.
The next big thing is already there. It's called the Galaxy S II.
Fastest Proc, Most RAM, Fastest GPU, thinnest/lightest phone, best touch input sensor, most internal Memory, biggest/longest lasting battery, screen only rivalled by the HTC Sensation.
This of course doesnt mean it will become as big as the HD2 but it has the most potential at the moment.
As for the HD2: Nobody at the time could predict that the HD2 would become such a huge modding succes. If Microsoft had decided to not base their WP7 on the same CPU, there would be no WP7 on this device.
If HTC hadn't brought the Desire/N1 with near-indentical hardware specs, Android on this thing would be a lot less functional. Meego and Ubuntu are nice (The letter being functional on virtually any mid/high-end android device at the moment and the former being dead at any rate)
At the moment the relevant OSes remain (and will remain) Android, iOS and WP7. Since we are never going to see an iOS port to anything, you should look for a device that is based on a CPU that WP7.5 (or Mango) is optimized for (hopefully MS will upgrade from this dated proc with pathetic 3D capabilities to something more comparable to the Samsung Exynos or Apple A5).
I havent followed the rumor mill but if there is a tendency to a specific proc that is available to all producers, then the chance of getting WP7 and Android in the newest version running on any device would be on one that has this new hardware based. Since there is no such device that I am aware of right now, I would vote for the Android High-ends (the modders love the SGSII and Sensation and they will remain top of the line for at least 10 months)
I very much like this post and totally agree but you cant possible think because you have awesome specs on a phone your gonna have the next hd2...if you remember the hd2 was nice but software wise it was absolutely terrible...especially because everyone wanted android on the hardware but even then nobody knew the potential the phone would have. If back then when the phone first dropped, compared to other phone with better specs like the evo...nobody would have said..."this is the next big phone that will forever change the face of modding/rooting a phone". The community came together and made advances on that phone which were once thought impossible....all the roms started slow and sluggish...lagging until they were perfected by gifted and talented individuals. No make a long story short....u can't tell what a phone will be like based one specs...its all about the participation of devs and a lot of feedback. Trial and error.....time and dedication.
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There most likely won't be another big thing or successor to the HD2 and this is for a few reasons.
1st, the HD2 was supposed to be this awesome Windows Mobile phone that bridged the gap from WinMo to WP7. Well when they decided not to allow an upgrade path to WP7 that didn't happen. And a lot of people just weren't happy with WinMo running so horribly on such an obviously awesome phone. So a need or a demand was created and filled by devs allowing us to port Android to our HD2s.
With the market the way it is now, that's not likely to happen with so many choices available.
You've got awesome specced phones like the Evo3D, HTC Sensation, Samsung Android, Motorola Android phones. Even the new WP7 devices being released are awesome! So no one is really breaking down doors to port Android to an awesome device that runs suck ass software because most phones being released have good software. In my opinion, WP7 is awesome software that just needs a boost so if I had a phone that had it I wouldn't port anything to the device running it.
Secondly, no other phone right now can run multiple OS' like the HD2 can. Which phone runs WinMo, Android, WP7, Ubuntu, and possibly Meego? AND it can dual boot ROMs too! None and we aren't likely to see it attempted on as huge a scale as it was on the HD2! The HD2 will be the last of its kind a memento that proves to the huge corporations that if you don't do it right, someone else will and they will do it better lol.
Sad tho, cause my HD2 opened up a new world and when I move on to my next device I'm gonna miss porting ROMs on a day to day basis or on whim. I'll miss switching from Sense to a Vanilla ROM to a cyanogen ROM to WP7...
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In my mind, the next big thing are devices like the Motorola Atrix, where the processing power and storage is phone based but can dock with a laptop workstation or tablet. Now that would be my ideal handset...
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In my mind, the next big thing are devices like the Motorola Atrix, where the processing power and storage is phone based but can dock with a laptop workstation or tablet. Now that would be my ideal handset...
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People already sell their existing phones, barter, trade or do whatever they have to do to get a new or updated device...now your suppose to get a specific laptop just so u can dock it??? USB works just fine ill pass on the add on sales.....
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Seriously, i think that the next "big thing" will be the first htc with unlocked bootlader as htc said...
maybe HTC Eternity????
Never again will there be a phone.. in this and the next decade (perhaps forever?) that allowed such versatility between completely different platforms..
Personally - next big thing is ...
For me I think that the Samsung Galaxy S2 ... should be the next thing to leap to ... it is fantastic ... I have an HD2 but if i lose it or it goes bad ... I will defo buy one of them things .... It's got a 1.5 Ghz dual core cpu ..amoled2 screen ..... cameras at the front and at the back ... full framerate playback and ultra slim .... good quality camera ... battery drain is really discrete .... and the Gfx are fast and good .. runs android like a charm ... Definitely it will be a fav with all devs ...
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For me I think that the Samsung Galaxy S2 ... should be the next thing to leap to ... it is fantastic ... I have an HD2 but if i lose it or it goes bad ... I will defo buy one of them things .... It's got a 1.5 Ghz dual core cpu ..amoled2 screen ..... cameras at the front and at the back ... full framerate playback and ultra slim .... good quality camera ... battery drain is really discrete .... and the Gfx are fast and good .. runs android like a charm ... Definitely it will be a fav with all devs ...
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http://wmpoweruser.com/category/windows-phone-7-5/
Very nice!
Hello! I've currently got an HTC Desire and I'm not that happy with Android. I'm tired of the laggy, inconsistant and boring UI of both Sense and stock Android. I've had an iPod Touch and I've got an iPad and I'm a big fan of iOS, but I want to try something new.
I've been reading about WP7 a lot and it looks very interesting, I've also tried different WP7 phones in stores and I fell in love with the smoothness and consistant Metro UI.
The phone that I'm thinking of at the moment is the HD2, I think that it would be a good choice for me because it is able to run a various number of platforms (I like modding my phone and trying new stuff). So I've got a few questions about the phone:
The phone is almost 2 years old, is it hardware good enough to meet todays and tomorrow's requirements?
How is the screen of the HD2 compared to the Desire's (WVGA, 3,7", AMOLED)? Does multi-touch gestures work well? Is it dual-touch or does it support more than two fingers?
Is Spotify available for WP7 yet?
Are any key features missing in the WP7 port for HD2 (such as camera, headphone jack or WiFi not working?)?
What other platforms than Android, WM 6.5 and WP7 does the HD2 run? I saw that there are sections for Ubuntu and MeeGo here at XDA, are those platforms stable enough for daily use? How well does Android run?
Should I buy a used one or a new one?
How is the battery life?
What are your opinions? Would you buy a HD2 today? Opinions and recommendations about other phones are welcome as well!
Thanks in advance
1. I'd say yes. It might get a little more outdated when two core or even quad core processors roll out. One the other hand, there is no operating system that could use more power than HD2 has.
2. Screen is the weakest part of HD2, AMOLED technology is a lot better in terms of picture quality as well as power saving. I'd say it is just OK.
3. No idea.
4. No idea.
5. HD2 can currently run WM6.5, WP7 and Android - all stable and all working. Meego and Ubuntu are rather proof of concepts and not useful for daily use.
6. Now this is up to you. If you're short of money, go for used one. If you can afford a new one, get a new one.
7. Depends how much you use the phone, what operating system you're running etc. I managed to get about 4 days of standby(stock battery!) on Android with automatic internet connection and mail syncing every 30 minutes and 3G off. I consider it pretty good for a smartphone.
However, the most important thing about this phone is the number of supporters here at XDA. There are hundreds of ROMs to choose from, you can try a new one every day And well, I do not think there are many phones that can multiboot two systems(there are some that can handle different systems, but each change requires reflash).
I am a person who can afford any phone any time. If someone told me that there is a HD2 with amoled screen, quad core cpu and 4 gigs of ram and (it still can multiboot) for $2000, I'd buy it right away. Back to reality - in my opinion there is no better phone out there.
Well, it's hardware is now pretty old compared to most of the phones out there. But it still works I haven't seen any place where I'd be like oh crap I wish I had another phone this is just too slow.. Never.
Screen = Big Let Down. You won't be all that happy with the screen rest assured
Multi-touch works well but not so well in WP7. I believe it is dual touch.
Spotify is available on WP7 last I checked it will take you a spotify wp7 google search.
Meego, Ubuntu not for daily use development has as far as I remember become extremely slow.
Key feature missing in WP7 for HD2 is camera gives green tint when used with flash. And imo camera quality is never as good with android or wp7 than with WM6.5 for hd2.
Take a used one from craigslist. Should be good enough.
Battery life not as good due to the aforementioned screen and 1250 mAh battery.
But, I still personally love my HD2 and won't part with it till the development from this community stops and I honestly believe WP7 would surely work perfect on the HD2 in the near future. Peace
Thanks for the responses! The only thing that makes me doubt atm is the screen.. Really love the blacks on the Desire's AMOLED display, but I guess that I'll get used to the HD2's display.
Anyone done the jump from AMOLED/S-LCD/S-AMOLED to LCD?
Kinda.. My bro has a Galaxy S another has a S2 a friend has Sensation.. So seen many pretty nice screens must admit my hd2 looks pretty sad in front of those displays.. But, when I show them Android CM7, Sense, WP7 and all.. They all say please tell us how to do it
Go get an hd2 it will be the best thing that ever happened to you cell phone wise
I won't make another topic for the same question, so I just reply to this one. I hope it won't call as digging up...
After XDA threads answering 90% of my questions, I still have one:
I will be able to afford an HD2 in March-April 2012. That said, I don't want to end up thinking "Gosh, why did I buy it?" after 3-4 months; is this phone still able to survive another year of support here, at XDA? I don't have enough cash to buy another $400 phone after half a year, so it is quite important.
Thanks in advance.
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I won't make another topic for the same question, so I just reply to this one. I hope it won't call as digging up...
After XDA threads answering 90% of my questions, I still have one:
I will be able to afford an HD2 in March-April 2012. That said, I don't want to end up thinking "Gosh, why did I buy it?" after 3-4 months; is this phone still able to survive another year of support here, at XDA? I don't have enough cash to buy another $400 phone after half a year, so it is quite important.
Thanks in advance.
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to be honest, it is a guess at this time. i mean in 6 months from now, there might be some new amazing things on the market. i would just come back and check in 5 months or so. and nicely done, not starting a new thread!
If i were u i wont even think of getting this phone.
Ya in 6 months from not there will be more new stuff out there. So talking of the current market i think compared to other newer phones the HD2 is really good. 4.3 inch display, capability to rum multiple OS's. And it's blazing fast in wp7 and android
BUT...
Just google the number of HD2 users suffering with the same fault it has. I'm a victim of the same and i feel like dashing this crap on the floor. I'm sick and tired of this. Even after performing a mtty still it restarts.
So..
Either u have to be really like others to get a good phone without any faults or you too will be suffering like the rest of the HD2 owners. WHY TAKING THAT CHANCE? IF I WERE YOU I WOULD NOT EVEN IF IT CAN RUN 1000 OS's..
I am really happy with my HD2 & it has been faultless for me on my personal setup WM6.5.x, but if you are likely to be going Android you are better looking at newer devices that are native Android.
Most hardware failures & bugs are on those users running Multi OSs or Nand Droid/W7 .
Thinking of Buying an HD2?
Thinking of Buying an HD2?
Read here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1284389
and here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1271507
Those of you suffering WP7 restarts/freeze etc, get yourselves a new SD Card. There's plenty of data on this in the WP7 forum.
Thanks for answering, it really means a lot to me.
Ok, time to explain my history (which is a long and complicated one):
I am 15 years old, so I just have to rely on my parents' money. I got my first mobile when I was... 9? Something like that. I remember, how everyone in the school was excited by color screens! And l was proud of having a camera, even though the quality of the photos was pretty bad. But, hey, it was a camera! In the mobile!
In 2007 I got my first "smartphone". It was Nokia 6120 classic with Symbian. But I was scared about losing the warranty, so I didn't do much with it (that is, I didn't "hack" the Symbian, which is still nothing compared to modding Android). Still, I was happy with it for 2 years.
But then comes 2009 and "touchscreen time". God, how the prices of those phones dropped then! I bought a Samsung Corby. Yeah, it was a downgrade from Symbian, but at least I was able to get used to the touchscreen. I sold it in March 2011 for an acceptable price.
And here comes the "smartphone age". I bought my Galaxy Spica in July 2011. I know, probably You haven't heard of this phone, but in Poland and Russia it is quite popular. I bought it simply because of the mods - right now it is considered "The slowest phone ever" on some Polish Android forum, but, guess what? I am happy with it. It is running CM6 right now and is currently lying on my left, charging happily.
If I'm happy - why should I replace it? Well, first of all, the battery got klilled. One day I can go through 8 lessons and the phone will still be at 100%, and next day, without even touching it - bam, drops to 52%. I know, replace the battery and so on, and so on. But it really sometimes makes me mad when I have to do a "battery reset" for the third time, because it won't unlock...
I remember how I was scared before the first root of my Spica... And it went great, start to finish! Everything goes great when You follow the guides, that's what I learned in the past few months. No phone can be compared to HD2 when it comes to modding (at least IMHO), and it gives you the "WOW" factor among your friends, hehe! Nothing better then coming to a group of people showing off their 199$ Android phone and showing them the HD2's dual-boot!
What really made me excited about the HD2 is not only a modders paradise it offers, but also the wonderful support here. Heck, the HD2 Android board has more posts than most other phones section added up! And more, and more posts are coming up everyday. I would really like to have, like, 4 smartphones in my house - Android, iPhone, WP7 and probably another Android... But I just don't have the money for it. (*blames his country for its poor wages*) I do not demand every new version of Android or WP7 being ported to HD2 (because it's just too much), but I'd be happy with, let's say, one-two next major versions of Android and the next major version of WP7.
In one sentence: I definitely enjoy modding everything, I love the big choice of ROMs available here and I just hope the development doesn't stop on Mango and Gingerbread - if it's so: HD2, here I come!
If You really read the whole story (written in a very poor English - sorry, I'm a native Polish speaker), then congrats, and I hope You will be able to answer my question: Will HD2 as a multi-OS phone satisfy my needs, which are not connected to display or dual-core, but tot the software only? And sorry for the chaotic post, I shouldn't have replied in the midnight. ^^
Get one. I broke mine and am currently looking for another HD2. I could go get the new GSII but I don't really want it.
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Thinking of Buying an HD2?
Read here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1284389
and here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1271507
Those of you suffering WP7 restarts/freeze etc, get yourselves a new SD Card. There's plenty of data on this in the WP7 forum.
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Ok, that is enough for me, I am going for it... After I get the money of course.
BTW: @stepthehen: I've read the second story before and that's why I asked - if this phone has gone through two years and can mean so much for people...
It is a great phone & if the price is right then still a trenendous bit of kit.
The flip side : if you are not likely to want WM6.5.x or multi-boot & are paying high end price then it is not the best option.
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It is a great phone & if the price is right then still a trenendous bit of kit.
The flip side : if you are not likely to want WM6.5.x or multi-boot & are paying high end price then it is not the best option.
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My mum says it is quite expensive, but, hey! Many phones nowadays have similar, if not worse, specs, but they are being sold with a higher price tag, simply because "they're new".
And I do want the multi-boot and I do want to play with OSes. Actually it's my #1 reason. ^^