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Low light

At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the Moto X4's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

With flash it's 5 stars. Works pretty good without. Works as good as my S8.

I took some test shots on my phone today, using 3 different camera apps:
- The Stock Moto Camera
- The Stock Google Camera from the Play Store
- Modified Google Camera found Here. MGCB_7.0H_C2API_Full_PXL2_v.1.4_60FPS_noburst_v3
I tested in a large room with the lights off, and sunlight coming in. There are lots of shadows and dark areas, as well as very bright spots. I tested with HDR Off, HDR On, and HDR Auto (if applicable). I also threw in a wide angle, for comparison. (spoiler: Ew).
Some things that surprised me, in no particular order:
- The Stock Moto HDR actually did a decent job at brightening up the dark areas, and giving the shadows a bit of color. Not a ton of extra noise, either. However, the window was still washed out.
- Stock Google Cam didn't offer anything the others didn't, and HDR On/Off didn't seem to do a thing.
- Modified Google Cam definitely helped with the bright spots, as those are the only 2 pictures that you could see out the window, but it also introduced a LOT of noise in the shadows and dark areas. This is a known side effect of HDR in low-light, as I saw the same effect on my 5x when using HDR+ in low light.
I may try a different Modified Gcam, and try to input the settings manually. Hopefully that will result in better pics, as otherwise the Stock Moto camera seems to be our best bet for now.

The stock camera app in normal picture mode is not using good ISO/shutter speed combinations in low light at all. Take some and check the info on your images. It always goes for high ISO and faster shutter speed. It stops on 1/15 A LOT, and seems to adjust ISO from there. Switch to Professional Mode and force a slower shutter speed, lower ISO and now they look much better. HDR on this app is garbage with those auto focus settings too. It works much better with higher quality images with less noise, which the auto focus is incapable of providing in any low light situations.

I did some more tests with the v4.0 AIO modified Gcam, and there wasn't a difference.
I went back to the v1.4, and took some pics at home. These were very low-light, with candles the only light source in the room. I noticed similar trends:
Stock Cam is VERY blochy when you zoom in.
Stock HDR seems to brighten the whole image, but isn't very, you know, dynamic.
Stock Cam is way less noisy/blochy when you zoom in. It preserves much more detail.
Modified Gcam using HDR+ does a MUCH better job handling the candle light in the pic, as the light source isn't overexposed.
I may do some 100% crops and share them tomorrow, but Stranger Things 2 with the wife is more important atm. #sorrynotsorry.

crazyates said:
I did some more tests with the v4.0 AIO modified Gcam, and there wasn't a difference.
I went back to the v1.4, and took some pics at home. These were very low-light, with candles the only light source in the room. I noticed similar trends:
Stock Cam is VERY blochy when you zoom in.
Stock HDR seems to brighten the whole image, but isn't very, you know, dynamic.
Stock Cam is way less noisy/blochy when you zoom in. It preserves much more detail.
Modified Gcam using HDR+ does a MUCH better job handling the candle light in the pic, as the light source isn't overexposed.
I may do some 100% crops and share them tomorrow, but Stranger Things 2 with the wife is more important atm. #sorrynotsorry.
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I'm using the manual Google APK here with HDR+ and it's also using very high ISOs, even in pretty good light. I have a lamp behind me, lights on in the room and both apps are using an ISO2400. If I manually set the ISO to 1200 or lower, I can still take a good photo by manually adjusting the shutter speed to 1/15, 1/10, or even 1/8 (anything lower and it's blurred). This HW should be capable of blazing fast auto focus so there is zero reason it's setting the ISOs so high. High ISO = more noise, less detail. Fast auto focus should mean that lowering the ISO in low light will focus better, faster, with less blur from the slower shutter speed. Something ain't right here.
HDR+ will clean up the noise from the high ISO setting some.

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I'm using the manual Google APK here with HDR+ and it's also using very high ISOs, even in pretty good light. I have a lamp behind me, lights on in the room and both apps are using an ISO2400. If I manually set the ISO to 1200 or lower, I can still take a good photo by manually adjusting the shutter speed to 1/15, 1/10, or even 1/8 (anything lower and it's blurred). This HW should be capable of blazing fast auto focus so there is zero reason it's setting the ISOs so high. High ISO = more noise, less detail. Fast auto focus should mean that lowering the ISO in low light will focus better, faster, with less blur from the slower shutter speed. Something ain't right here.
HDR+ will clean up the noise from the high ISO setting some.
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That's odd. Is this an issue you've been experiencing on the optimum configs (manual version) or with both modded apps?

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HDR+ will clean up the noise from the high ISO setting some.
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Yeah, you're right on this. I did some more test last night, and the most consistent seems to be the modified Gcam HDR+. It preserves more detail while keeping the noise down.
Basically, I feel like these are all just playing around with settings and apks that are meant for other phones. I know the Gcam software can work wonders, and I know the sensor/ISP/DSP/CPU can support more than what the stock Moto Cam is doing, but getting a modded Gcam apk that's meant for out phones would be fantastic. Unfortunately, it'll take someone smarter than me to piece it all together.

Coming from a much older S3, the moto x4 camera is WAY ahead.
I have a small laser projector that only outputs 63 lumens.
The S3 camera could never get a photo on the highest setting.
The x4 camera does it easily.
Apples and Oranges possibly, but the camera is not nearly as "bad" as some
reviews stated.

That's Nobody said:
With flash it's 5 stars. Works pretty good without. Works as good as my S8.
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Is it really? I'm choosing between the S7 and the X4, the camera being the only thing making me lean towards the Galaxy.

gaurink said:
Is it really? I'm choosing between the S7 and the X4, the camera being the only thing making me lean towards the Galaxy.
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I had an S7 for work until recently. Hated it. Battery life is worse than X4, too much bloatware, and the fingerprint sensor on it suuuuucked. Rear camera was about the same as X4 but front was inferior. No contest. Get the X4.

Please think twice believing reviewers.
Most of them hated Moto X4's camera coz it has a sluggish and mediocre quality when it comes to depth (portrait mode).
BUT I can assure you that my Moto X4 performs on par with HTC 10 when it comes to ALL lighting conditions.
I took photos side by side and the quality is the same. I even found that the Moto X4 does NOT need to auto trigger HDR in the lowlight pic I took (HTC did auto trigger HDR).
Both HTC 10 and Moto X4 have minimal noise and really looks almost the same given that they are using a different ISP (SD 820 vs SD 630).
I'll try to upload both pics so you can check them as well.

Quick one from today.

The Galaxy S7 will definitely has a better camera quality BUT the X4 also has a pretty good camera so you won't get disappointed.
BUT I'd rather choose Moto X4 since it is a new device while S7 is already almost 2 generations older (S9 is coming).

forbidden8 said:
Quick one from today.
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Is this using the stock camera app?

varunbala said:
Is this using the stock camera app?
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Yes.

Four low light examples. They were taken in hostile lightning codtions by Gcam HDR+. No tripod. The quality and the dynamic range is at the same level as Nexus 5x, Pixel 1.

Can you share a gCam version that you use. And setting ...I try few, but for me quality of stock camera photos is better. Thx.

forbidden8 said:
Can you share a gCam version that you use. And setting ...I try few, but for me quality of stock camera photos is better. Thx.
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GCam5.1.018-Arnova8G2-V1.3-Front-HDR+
Nexus6p, nexus 6p, hdd+ on

tavcsor said:
Four low light examples. They were taken in hostile lightning codtions by Gcam HDR+. No tripod. The quality and the dynamic range is at the same level as Nexus 5x, Pixel 1.
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Does the portrait mode of gcam work?

Selfie quality

You're beautiful and everyone knows it. That's why you take selfies. Rate this thread to express how the front-facing camera of the Xiaomi Poco F1 performs. A higher rating indicates that the front camera produces fantastic results consistently.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

I've rated selfie cam average coz it's a mixed bag
In artificial lighting conditions it produces somewhat blurry images. In fact selfies in complete darkness with the screen flash look better than selfies in artificial lights such as tubelights, bulbs etc. Bokeh selfies are better with more details as compared to normal selfies.
I'm talking about selfies with 0 beautification.
I must admit that I'm coming from nexus 5 which has 1.2 mp front camera so maybe I was expecting a bit too much from the 20 mp cam of Poco f1!
Come to think of it, various hardware checking apps show front camera as 5 mp!
May be they are detecting secondary camera at the back as front camera...anyone knows any app that detects all 3 cameras (megapixel and sensor used) correctly??!

It is correct with 5mp. The Cam combines four Pixels top one Superpixel.

I thought it's detecting 5 mp is secondary back camera and mistaking it for front cam
ConradB said:
It is correct with 5mp. The Cam combines four Pixels top one Superpixel.
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So you mean the front camera is actually a 5 mp cam and it should be denoted as such in hardware info apps such as CPU X? This explains why the selfie quality wasn't much much better as I had expected. I'm not that impressed with this 4 pixel combining to form a Superpixel technology....at least in poor lighting conditions.
It would also mean that the secondary 5 mp camera at the back isn't mentioned in the information generated by such apps!
Shouldn't it be mentioned?
I hope I'm clear on this point.

Noticed nowadays new camera unable to capture sharp pic for grp selfie
Grp selfie is where u at front n few members at the back to ensure everyone fit it in the picture
But what happen is only ur pic is sharp while the rest quite blur
This not happened during single lens with fix focus like s7 or 2016 model
How to fix this ?

I must admit that the selfies come out blurry when taken indoors especially when taken with volume rocker. It shakes up due to the press of the button. Do you guys face that?

senthilrameshjv said:
I must admit that the selfies come out blurry when taken indoors especially when taken with volume rocker. It shakes up due to the press of the button. Do you guys face that?
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I assume you might already be aware, they do have the option to use the fingerprint scanner as shutter.
Camera - Settings , scroll down and find it under Additional settings

watsinaname said:
I assume you might already be aware, they do have the option to use the fingerprint scanner as shutter.
Camera - Settings , scroll down and find it under Additional settings
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Yes indeed. But just verifying if it's only my phone gets blurry due to such small shakes.

senthilrameshjv said:
Yes indeed. But just verifying if it's only my phone gets blurry due to such small shakes.
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It's the same with me also, even on the rear camera most of the pictures taken on artificial lighting conditions are blurry because of that shaking.

The correct name for this thread is "Blurry camera" Quality
Even with the tripod its taking blurry shot - Cool is it ?
Need a Fix for this soon

The youtube reviews were good regarding the front camera & even the photos were good. Were the review units different or the camera hardware in the 8gb+256gb?
am i just speculating? :crying:

nC3rtaintiy said:
The youtube reviews were good regarding the front camera & even the photos were good. Were the review units different or the camera hardware in the 8gb+256gb?
am i just speculating? :crying:
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Mine is 128gb 6Gb variant bought during 1st flash sale
Same camera blurry image issue

zaro143 said:
Mine is 128gb 6Gb variant bought during 1st flash sale
Same camera blurry image issue
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its all units
all get blurry with even the slightest nudge

I see the phone uses a 20MP sensor from Samsung.
This not a real 20MP camera...I mean, it can't be! Or it's very, VERY bad, even in natural light conditions.
The quality of selfies is way inferior to the 12MP sensor of the back camera.
The amount of details captured by it makes it look more like a 5-8MP sensor...

CygnusBlack said:
I see the phone uses a 20MP sensor from Samsung.
This not a real 20MP camera...I mean, it can't be! Or it's very, VERY bad, even in natural light conditions.
The quality of selfies is way inferior to the 12MP sensor of the back camera.
The amount of details captured by it makes it look more like a 5-8MP sensor...
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Cause that Samsung lens contain 4 5mp lens

sayan1st said:
Cause that Samsung lens contain 4 5mp lens
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Nice travesty

It's pretty good considering Huawei and Samsung selfie are overfiltered and poor quality.
This one can see your pores and pixel bins to prevent noise.

Hi look at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssw9H08ddlw

You guys are completely crazy or have fault devices. The frontal camera is absolutely amazing. My girlfriend have a XS and its there's no comparison, F1 is much better in every way. You just need to turn off Beautiful Mode and increase sharpness on Options to make things more clear. It's one of the best selfie cameras that I ever see in my life. Get out of here you guys.
But there's a issue that Xiaomi need to fix. The camera dont focus acurately subjects at 1 meter from device. If you use Selfie Group Mode, the problem is gone.

The issue is with focus which is fixed at a distance of around 50cm. Beyond that, objects get blurred.

Photo quality

Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Xiaomi Mi 10 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Today I get it my Mi10. Im long time owener of Mi8. First look im very dissapointed. I see, that the Mi8 make better and sharper pictures like the Mi10.

krepsz said:
Today I get it my Mi10. Im long time owener of Mi8. First look im very dissapointed. I see, that the Mi8 make better and sharper pictures like the Mi10.
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hmm i have mi8 mi9 an mi10
an mi10 takes way better pictures than mi8 an mi9

-fluffy- said:
hmm i have mi8 mi9 an mi10
an mi10 takes way better pictures than mi8 an mi9
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I belive you. The first impression for me not so good. Tomorrow i will testing.

Its Not the full Quality but still amazing

Some cloud
Gesendet von meinem Mi 10 mit Tapatalk

108 mpx
Crop from a 108 pmx photo

natedogg20050 said:
Its Not the full Quality but still amazing
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Horrible quality on the leafs and overall green balance. Way better on Mi 9(T).
hammer1973 said:
Crop from a 108 pmx photo
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Oh wow - that blurryness showcases either bad skills (no offense) or an issue with exposure - it should ever have a blurryness on daillight with OIS.
Lackluster- quite lackluster - I've seen better pictures with a Mi A2 Lite and GCam (no OIS) and both Mi 9T Stock camera.

Night photo on pro mode long exposure iso
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Horrible imagines, total lack of sharpness due to large sensor and aperture
The camera is a big shame!!! I'm soooo disappointed by the rear camera. Contrast and so on seems to be ok, but all pictures with the rear camera lack complete sharpness, it's awful. Compared to both the Nexus 5x and the Samsung Galaxy s9, which both only have 12mpx, the quality when zooming is soooo much worse on the mi10. Also photos in low light were better and brighter with the older two phones. Only when turning night mode on they get brighter but still. So the mi10 camera is unusable for me due to the horrible sharpness. Probably that's what comes from the huge aperture and sensor size, you only get a tiny area which is sharp on a photo, while 90% of the image is just blurry ****. Honestly if Xiaomi Cannot fix this issue soon I'll sell that dumb phone, it makes me more than mad on such an expensive phone!!! Also probably the low light imagines are not so good due to the high megapixel. Just very embarassing for Xiaomi to put a camera capable of making photos which are 90% blurry and complete inability to zoom in the picture as it just looks blurry when zooming only a little, each 12 Mox shooter has a much better sharpness when zoomed in the final picture compared to this phone. Even the front camera takes sharper pictures!!!!!!!
Plus there's the issue that photos often get only taken in 0.7mpx. I don't know if that's an issue of xiaomi or of Google photos, usually resizing to 16mpx but sometimes 0.7mpx. But might also be that photos are sometimes only taken in 0.7mpx of this stupid phone. And no the quality when zoomed in the final picture is equally worse in the full 25(27) and even 108mpx photos!!!

donksterswag said:
The camera is a big shame!!! I'm soooo disappointed by the rear camera. Contrast and so on seems to be ok, but all pictures with the rear camera lack complete sharpness, it's awful. Compared to both the Nexus 5x and the Samsung Galaxy s9, which both only have 12mpx, the quality when zooming is soooo much worse on the mi10. Also photos in low light were better and brighter with the older two phones. Only when turning night mode on they get brighter but still. So the mi10 camera is unusable for me due to the horrible sharpness. Probably that's what comes from the huge aperture and sensor size, you only get a tiny area which is sharp on a photo, while 90% of the image is just blurry ****. Honestly if Xiaomi Cannot fix this issue soon I'll sell that dumb phone, it makes me more than mad on such an expensive phone!!! Also probably the low light imagines are not so good due to the high megapixel. Just very embarassing for Xiaomi to put a camera capable of making photos which are 90% blurry and complete inability to zoom in the picture as it just looks blurry when zooming only a little, each 12 Mox shooter has a much better sharpness when zoomed in the final picture compared to this phone. Even the front camera takes sharper pictures!!!!!!!
Plus there's the issue that photos often get only taken in 0.7mpx. I don't know if that's an issue of xiaomi or of Google photos, usually resizing to 16mpx but sometimes 0.7mpx. But might also be that photos are sometimes only taken in 0.7mpx of this stupid phone. And no the quality when zoomed in the final picture is equally worse in the full 25(27) and even 108mpx photos!!!
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I completely agree with you.

Is your phone defective?
1. Xiaomi Mi 10 Pro is top camera on dxomark
2. Xiaomi Mi 10 camera is the same as the Pro = Samsung Bright S5KHMX
Now check this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBUR3NvJWFc

kanton said:
Is your phone defective?
1. Xiaomi Mi 10 Pro is top camera on dxomark
2. Xiaomi Mi 10 camera is the same as the Pro = Samsung Bright S5KHMX
Now check this video:
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Dxomark lol do not base camera quality on this score

Mackay53 said:
Dxomark lol do not base camera quality on this score
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Any suggestion of a better one and why is that?

kanton said:
Is your phone defective?
1. Xiaomi Mi 10 Pro is top camera on dxomark
2. Xiaomi Mi 10 camera is the same as the Pro = Samsung Bright S5KHMX
Now check this video:
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It's the same sensor yes. But a different config of lenses.
Xiaomi mi 10 and mi 10 pro is very different in the camera sektion.
Mi 10 dosent have 5x telephoto as Mi 10 pro has, for one more example.
Just check the specsheet.

kanton said:
Any suggestion of a better one and why is that?
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Chinese companies are always at top of the leaderboard and are known for offering money for reviews. Why offer money for reviews when it's free?
I wouldn't trust the reviews.

donksterswag said:
Horrible imagines, total lack of sharpness due to large sensor and aperture
The camera is a big shame!!! I'm soooo disappointed by the rear camera. Contrast and so on seems to be ok, but all pictures with the rear camera lack complete sharpness, it's awful. Compared to both the Nexus 5x and the Samsung Galaxy s9, which both only have 12mpx, the quality when zooming is soooo much worse on the mi10. Also photos in low light were better and brighter with the older two phones. Only when turning night mode on they get brighter but still. So the mi10 camera is unusable for me due to the horrible sharpness. Probably that's what comes from the huge aperture and sensor size, you only get a tiny area which is sharp on a photo, while 90% of the image is just blurry ****. Honestly if Xiaomi Cannot fix this issue soon I'll sell that dumb phone, it makes me more than mad on such an expensive phone!!! Also probably the low light imagines are not so good due to the high megapixel. Just very embarassing for Xiaomi to put a camera capable of making photos which are 90% blurry and complete inability to zoom in the picture as it just looks blurry when zooming only a little, each 12 Mox shooter has a much better sharpness when zoomed in the final picture compared to this phone. Even the front camera takes sharper pictures!!!!!!!
Plus there's the issue that photos often get only taken in 0.7mpx. I don't know if that's an issue of xiaomi or of Google photos, usually resizing to 16mpx but sometimes 0.7mpx. But might also be that photos are sometimes only taken in 0.7mpx of this stupid phone. And no the quality when zoomed in the final picture is equally worse in the full 25(27) and even 108mpx photos!!!
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Brother brother install gcam and you're good to go.
P.s always use China developer rom you'll get your problems fixed i currently use miui mmx
I've no issues so far with my device

Selfie quality

You're beautiful and everyone knows it. That's why you take selfies. Rate this thread to express how the front-facing camera of the ASUS ZenFone 7 performs. A higher rating indicates that the front camera produces fantastic results consistently.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

7 Pro User here:
Selfies in good to moderately low light are very good. Sadly there is not option to un-mirror the image, so you will always end up with your mirror image (something I do not appreciate). Detail is very good and beautification can be turned off completely. In very low light colors are rather muted. Flash images have a very cold color temperature. This is not state of the art, where good camera software usually can compensate for that and give nice, natural image even with LED flash.

ThoroSOE said:
Sadly there is not option to un-mirror the image
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"save as mirrored photo" setting
See attached pic.

Interestingly this option is not available on my device. I did all available updates.

Selfie should be better with a gcam port.

Gcam is overated big time.. Many missing features in gcam that is exclusive to this phone. for example you cant choose the 120hz or 60hz or wideangle or even the macro lens in the video or pic mode on Gcam.. The factory app just gives you all those best options..
HOWEVER
In low light or dim light I find the factory camera will often try to focus in and out every second or 2 and makes the video look like its being shaked around. When using Gcam it wont do that. So be sure to turn on a light or maybe try using manual mode which does a very good job but takes some time to fine tune.
Other than that focus issue in low light this camera is the best I ever seen. very impressive.. Video is super smooth. Choose H.265 to get the best quality and lower memory card usage..

round2 said:
Gcam is overated big time.. Many missing features in gcam that is exclusive to this phone. for example you cant choose the 120hz or 60hz or wideangle or even the macro lens in the video or pic mode on Gcam.. The factory app just gives you all those best options..
HOWEVER
In low light or dim light I find the factory camera will often try to focus in and out every second or 2 and makes the video look like its being shaked around. When using Gcam it wont do that. So be sure to turn on a light or maybe try using manual mode which does a very good job but takes some time to fine tune.
Other than that focus issue in low light this camera is the best I ever seen. very impressive.. Video is super smooth. Choose H.265 to get the best quality and lower memory card usage..
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Did you use Wichayas Gcam? Afaik it has everything working

Photo quality

Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Sony Xperia 5 II come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Expect chromatic aberration in photos (widest lens), or I'd say CA in photos of X5 ii is a bit easier to detect than my previous Galaxy S10. Minimum focus distance is also quite long... also compared to my S10.
On the other hand, I like the Pro photo mode with AE-L and 3:2 aspect ratio option.

lokto7 said:
Expect chromatic aberration in photos (widest lens), or I'd say CA in photos of X5 ii is a bit easier to detect than my previous Galaxy S10. Minimum focus distance is also quite long... also compared to my S10.
On the other hand, I like the Pro photo mode with AE-L and 3:2 aspect ratio option.
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well: look at this:
https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-5-camera-test-1167092/
in the HDR chapter:
"Next, I want to draw your attention to something in the following two sample sets. The Google Pixel 5 suffers badly from chromatic aberration (the purple hue seen in between the tree leaves). The Huawei P40 Pro has the same problem, but the effect is limited to the upper left corner of the lens. The Galaxy and Xperia handsets have no such issue. Once again, shadow noise rears its head in the Pixel 5’s shots"

Please see an example here https://we.tl/t-mLwMGMoF9H

ok, ultra wide angle lens?- I guess the test I linked from was for the standard lens

Picture is very good-great, the colors are natural, no over-sharpening, the noise is natural, but, it can sometimes happen to overexpose the image, sony did a great job for the camera..
Overall, camera software requires some minor tweaks to be top notch.. The best is, no pixel (finally) binning, true 12mp, large pixel size.

very good photo quality!
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Picture is very good-great, the colors are natural, no over-sharpening, the noise is natural, but, it can sometimes happen to overexpose the image, sony did a great job for the camera..
Overall, camera software requires some minor tweaks to be top notch.. The best is, no pixel (finally) binning, true 12mp, large pixel size.
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I totally quote. I am happy to find a similar look / color rendition to my Sony Full Frame mirrorless. Photo pro app does a great job, especially in "normal" (not too low) light conditions. Color rendition is natural. After Huaweis Mate (only missing the b/w sensor of the P20pro!) this Xperia is fresh air.

With good Light the Camera make good Photos, but i really have Focus issues for Quick Fotos. Its not that im Shaking or something but at 1 of 3 Photos im must repeat and then the Focus is about right. As you can see in the Attachement.
I know that Sony will fix this Problem but when 1/3 from the Photos are just not sharp for a 900 Dollar Phone its a little Dissapointing.

You are from Basel
I think, photo-quality is ok, but I would have expected more (comming from an XZ1 compact).... - Especialy the selfie-camera was better on the XZ1 compact, because it had 120° angle mode.

That certainly not encouraging to hear that. I looking at both Xperia 1 II and 5 II for quite a while already. Still not impressed with the camera system at all - the only selling point of this phone to my opinion. Can't find the proof that new Xperias can beat my old Pixel 3 or even Pixel 1 (which is the most colour accurate of all to my opinion). Can't remember of getting out of focus photos from Pixel 3.
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For some reason this tread is nearly empty - no encouraging, mind-blowing photos. And this is quite suspicious. Why is that? Xperia 5 II / 1 II can't really shine in it? Or messing with Pro mode leave to time to take a great shot? Please upload more photos showing that new Xperia camera system is any better than others, especially against "so unnatural" Pixels.

skilli said:
With good Light the Camera make good Photos, but i really have Focus issues for Quick Fotos. Its not that im Shaking or something but at 1 of 3 Photos im must repeat and then the Focus is about right. As you can see in the Attachement.
I know that Sony will fix this Problem but when 1/3 from the Photos are just not sharp for a 900 Dollar Phone its a little Dissapointing.
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Completely agree with it. I'd be very disappointed If I bought photo-oriented $900 smartphone and found the low light photos coming out in "quality" like yours. I believe my $50 old dinky Pixel 1 does better job. In this case "Photo Pro photographer guys" will say that you have to use Photo Pro app every single time, Sony fanboys will say that you have got a faulty unit. To my opinion it's just failure to deliver the quality everyone expected from the company which makes the best camera sensors.

Here is an additional take on photo quality.
Main lens (wide angle) in AUTO mode (with standard / Pro apps):
Good:
- Noiseless pictures. Much improved from previous generation.
- Natural looking blur in out-of focus areas (ex: background). Can create natural bokeh for cats, faces, macro, etc.
- Contrary to what some people say, good dynamic range because the auto HDR mode turns on when needed in most cases. Note that in the Pro app, you can use touch metering and still keep HDR active, a nice addition.
- Good pictures in low light: very low noise and not too much unnatural brightening of scene.
- Mostly no lens flares on standard intensity lights. (improved from Xperia 5)
Not so good:
- Focus issues at night: lack of TOF and no pre-flash sometimes leads to focus misses. Solution is to use the Pro app with continuous focus ON (mode is not available in standard app). Most often this allows phones to acquire focus except in total darkness.
- Focus issues with far subjects, such as landscape. Sometimes the camera just won't focus at all. Solution is to use tap to focus (in Pro app, this means you have to turn OFF continuous focus)
- Focus issues with eye / face detection: it's just not always accurate. Again, much better results with tap to focus.
- Very bad lens flares (light streaks) when facing a brighter light at some angles. (much worse than Xperia 5). So much for the Zeiss lens!. This issue can sometimes be solved by placing your hand to block the strong light near the lens.
- Color temperature is a bit too cold. Especially visible in darker environments.
What about non-auto modes ?
Good:
- You can set everything as you wish in Pro app.
Not so Good:
- As in previous generations, you will get a lot more noise than in auto mode, esp. beyond 200 ISO. Makes is useless for me. One solution would be using RAW and applying your own denoising filters, but you loose HDR and I didn't get much better results anyways.
- Takes more time to adjust: not suitable for quick shots.
What about the other lenses ?
- Ultra wide gives ok results. Not worse than other flagships from what I've seen.
- Zoom lens is more noisy. Only suitable in daylight IMO.
- Selfie: never used.
My conclusion:
- With Xperia 5 II, you can get great pictures with a photographic look in the right situations. But some pictures may out-of-focus and some will get bad lens flares. Also it needs too much attention to settings for me.
- So I sold the phone and kept my Xperia 5 1st gen. Photos have a bit more noise, but it's more dependable in focusing and rarely misses a picture. Colors are also warmer and more accurate at least to my taste.
Note that Xperia 1 II may not have these focusing issues but I didn't try it.
Some examples:
Xperia 5 II: flares
Xperia 5: no flare
Xperia 5 II: bad focus at night
Xperia 5: better focus at night
Xperia 5 II: natural bokeh
Xperia 5: not much bokeh
Xperia 5 II: less noise
Xperia 5: more noise
Xperia 5 II: the 3 lenses:
Ultra wide
wide
zoom

Some other pics from X5 II (in right situations)
(<- with zoom lens)
(<- ultra wide lens)

skilli said:
With good Light the Camera make good Photos, but i really have Focus issues for Quick Fotos. Its not that im Shaking or something but at 1 of 3 Photos im must repeat and then the Focus is about right. As you can see in the Attachement.
I know that Sony will fix this Problem but when 1/3 from the Photos are just not sharp for a 900 Dollar Phone its a little Dissapointing.
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Unfortunately this is my experience with it as well. Once light conditions aren't perfect the camera struggles with focusing and stops delivering good photos. Also the water painting effect isn't something unusual here which is not acceptable for over $900 camera-phone. Just wondering whether Xperia 1 II is better in this regard? Maybe TOF helps somehow?

For focus issues: are you using stock app or PhotoPro app in auto mode?
I haven't noticed any focus issue but I always use PhotoPro

asvaberg said:
For focus issues: are you using stock app or PhotoPro app in auto mode?
I haven't noticed any focus issue but I always use PhotoPro
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I'm also a little bit worried about the camera quality and focus...I'm using PhotoPro but it doesn't looks so good, but I don't regret switching from P30 pro

I'm considering buying the phone and the cameras are the most important for me, so my most important questions are - is there raw format shooting for all three lenses and what are their maximum exposure settings(seconds), cause with my current mi note 10 pro I was able to shoot the milky way, and expect this phone to be able also...

bo6o said:
I'm considering buying the phone and the cameras are the most important for me, so my most important questions are - is there raw format shooting for all three lenses and what are their maximum exposure settings(seconds), cause with my current mi note 10 pro I was able to shoot the milky way, and expect this phone to be able also...
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Hello, you can shoot raw on all the 3 lenses. Maximum exposure time it's 30 sec. Unfortunately, I wouldn't recommend you this device for making photos, I'm coming from a P30 pro and I'm really disappointed with the overall quality of the photos, so you better start looking for another device....

robi101012981 said:
Hello, you can shoot raw on all the 3 lenses. Maximum exposure time it's 30 sec. Unfortunately, I wouldn't recommend you this device for making photos, I'm coming from a P30 pro and I'm really disappointed with the overall quality of the photos, so you better start looking for another device....
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Are you talking for jpg quality, or raw?
Cause I'm not planning to use jpg for serious shooting, as I did with my real camera. I like to produce my own jpgs and I know how to use the 3 main(in smartphones 2) settings.
Can anyone provide me with a raw sample from each of the lenses. Would appreciate it.

bo6o said:
Are you talking for jpg quality, or raw?
Cause I'm not planning to use jpg for serious shooting, as I did with my real camera. I like to produce my own jpgs and I know how to use the 3 main(in smartphones 2) settings.
Can anyone provide me with a raw sample from each of the lenses. Would appreciate it.
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Raw, of course,I don't shoot jpeg because I like to edit my photos