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Cingular 8525 Device Speed Issue and Questions?

Device: 8525
The first question, does installing tons of applications on storage (memory) slow down your device? (I'm not speaking of running several programs at once but, essentially installing softwares on the device other than SD.)
Second question, the theory of, anything that goes on your TODAY'S SCREEN, should go on the device, however, is there a specific limitation as to how much should go onto the device?
In other words, I noticed that my memory runs roughly between (from soft boot) 28m and an average of 20-25m. Usually the device starts feeling sluggish around 20-25m. It's tolerable but this is only having basic applications on the device. I noticed that once I went below 20m, I'm prone to crashing and severe slowdown on applications launching, closing, etc.
I currently have all my applications on the SD card. I won't focus on the non-today screen applications but I did install those softwares as well on the SD card. The only thing I have installed on the device are Resco Keyboard, Tengo, Flexmail.
Needless to say, my device runs pretty fast. I do get occasionaly lock ups. Lock ups such like when I press the Standby button, at times, when I press the standby button again to wake it up, it won't wake up. Lights are still blinking as if it was active but nothing. I have to actually remove the battery and turn it back on.
This issue could be caused by? (Today screen items installed on SD card?)
I will probably try to reinstall all the todays screen item on the device later on but I'm still testing as to what is the best thing to do. Obviously, there is no way around having certain applications on the SD card but this obviously leads me to my first question.
Here are my current software (there are more but non-essentials are no issue and are on the SD card).
SBSH PocketBreeze
SBSH Contact Breeze
Pocket Informant
SBSH Ilauncher
SBSH Pocket Weather
Flexmail
PhoneAlarm
These are all on the SD card.
What do you think?

nutnbolt said:
Device: 8525
The first question, does installing tons of applications on storage (memory) slow down your device? (I'm not speaking of running several programs at once but, essentially installing softwares on the device other than SD.)
Second question, the theory of, anything that goes on your TODAY'S SCREEN, should go on the device, however, is there a specific limitation as to how much should go onto the device?
In other words, I noticed that my memory runs roughly between (from soft boot) 28m and an average of 20-25m. Usually the device starts feeling sluggish around 20-25m. It's tolerable but this is only having basic applications on the device. I noticed that once I went below 20m, I'm prone to crashing and severe slowdown on applications launching, closing, etc.
I currently have all my applications on the SD card. I won't focus on the non-today screen applications but I did install those softwares as well on the SD card. The only thing I have installed on the device are Resco Keyboard, Tengo, Flexmail.
Needless to say, my device runs pretty fast. I do get occasionaly lock ups. Lock ups such like when I press the Standby button, at times, when I press the standby button again to wake it up, it won't wake up. Lights are still blinking as if it was active but nothing. I have to actually remove the battery and turn it back on.
This issue could be caused by? (Today screen items installed on SD card?)
I will probably try to reinstall all the todays screen item on the device later on but I'm still testing as to what is the best thing to do. Obviously, there is no way around having certain applications on the SD card but this obviously leads me to my first question.
Here are my current software (there are more but non-essentials are no issue and are on the SD card).
SBSH PocketBreeze
SBSH Contact Breeze
Pocket Informant
SBSH Ilauncher
SBSH Pocket Weather
Flexmail
PhoneAlarm
These are all on the SD card.
What do you think?
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To be honest it sounds like you have this pretty well thought out already. You know the theory - anything that runs allthe time should be in Main Memory the rest on SD etc etc.
My experience is that yes, if you over-crowd Main memory it will slow down and crash.
I largely ignore the rules about not storing certain apps on storage card. My only exceptions are Wallpaper and my regular Ring tone - (all the rest on card)
I did notice frequent hangs while I had Phone Alarm installed. (However it has several settings which perhaps could have been changed to make it work more smoothly)
I do not get many lockups but I have run all the usual precautions such as "The Fake Server" for Active Sync automatic soft re-sets, Task manager to shut running progs., etc etc
Overall I guess it's a trade off against speed if it's installed to Main Memory and slowing things down if you overfill Main memory. You find your own balance. I favour virtually everything on SD Card.
Mike

If I had it my way, I would store everything on the SD card. Unfortunately some applications will not work on it, however, some are so and so. It will but it won't. Nevertheless, I thought this out well but I needed to find out if there was anything I would miss in terms of device issues. Like when it goes to sleep mode, I noticed in phonealarm, there is a way to prevent the battery from sleeping? What does that mean? I don't know....
Anyway, anyone else have any other suggestions.

Just got a sandisk 1 gig card for my 8525. Oddly when I press the power button to recover from sleep mode, without the disk in it restores in under a second. With the empty card installed it takes up to 3-4 seconds. Is this normal??
TIA

roverman said:
Just got a sandisk 1 gig card for my 8525. Oddly when I press the power button to recover from sleep mode, without the disk in it restores in under a second. With the empty card installed it takes up to 3-4 seconds. Is this normal??
TIA
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Does not sound excessive BUT I have same SD card and restores in under 1 second with card in.
Mike

I would put ALL of those apps on your device. The card should be used for programs that you OPEN and CLOSE when done. All of those apps run while the phone sleeps. Exit media player when you tyurn the phone off, in case it is playing mp3's that are on yourcard, etc. The whole point is this:
You're device should never, for any reason, try to access the card while asleep!!!
That's the golden rule...

OK so I have to ask. What happens when you break the golden rule? Is it possible that applications accessing the micro SD card while the unit is 'sleeping' (eg messaging software connecting to download new messages every X mins and trying to save them on the SD card) is the cause of the lockup / freeze condition that people are reporting (and that I have too - but only when apps that connect to data network are running in the background).

I have broken the golden rule. I store everything on my SD card with the exception of a few that didn't allow it. This includes softwares that even goes on my today's screen.
How is it performing?
Well, you will get lockup's if you don't know how each software reacts. What is the cause of it? I'm not sure exactly. I know that I narrowed down a couple of softwares that I initially stored on my SD card and then finally moved it onto my memory and the lockups/BSOD (Black screen of death) disappeared.
You have top lay around when installing each software. Some software will warn you that you should install it in memory but can get away with it if it's on the SD card and some softwares will tell you THIS SHOULD BE ON MEMORY, so I don't mess with that. I suggest install as much as you can on SD card and if something goes wrong, check the settings of the last recently software you installed and make sure nothing in the settings is causing the lockup. If there is nothing, then move it to memory.

So here is what I've found out so far for my 8525.
I've convinced myself that if any application, running in the background while the PDA is 'sleeping' (ie the screen turned off), tries to access the SD card it will cause the PDA to lock up.
For a while I thought the issue was related to apps connecting via DUN to the internet, but I now thinks the lock up are related to the SD card access.
So I do install apps on the SD card where possible - but NOT ones that would access the SD card while running in the background. This also applies to where data is stored - eg message attachments (if messaging is downloading e-mails/attachments periodically don't store them on the SD card).
Secondly ensure Active Sync is set to 'manual'. See the following post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-288352.html
When I ensure nothing is running in the background that accesses the SD card I don't see lock up. While I've not been able (yet) to attribute 100% of my lockups to SD card access by doing this I've been able to virtually eliminate lock ups (I was getting 2-3 per day).
This also implies that I can't leave the programs that I installed on the SD card running in background when the device goes into sleep if there is any possibility they will try and access the SD card (some apps won't do anything until you interact with them, some apps run in the background and connect/download data etc - those I can't leave running).
Hopefully the new ROM will be released shortly and will eliminate this problem and improve the reliability overall!!

derekmg said:
So here is what I've found out so far for my 8525.
I've convinced myself that if any application, running in the background while the PDA is 'sleeping' (ie the screen turned off), tries to access the SD card it will cause the PDA to lock up.
For a while I thought the issue was related to apps connecting via DUN to the internet, but I now thinks the lock up are related to the SD card access.
So I do install apps on the SD card where possible - but NOT ones that would access the SD card while running in the background. This also applies to where data is stored - eg message attachments (if messaging is downloading e-mails/attachments periodically don't store them on the SD card).
Secondly ensure Active Sync is set to 'manual'. See the following post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-288352.html
When I ensure nothing is running in the background that accesses the SD card I don't see lock up. While I've not been able (yet) to attribute 100% of my lockups to SD card access by doing this I've been able to virtually eliminate lock ups (I was getting 2-3 per day).
This also implies that I can't leave the programs that I installed on the SD card running in background when the device goes into sleep if there is any possibility they will try and access the SD card (some apps won't do anything until you interact with them, some apps run in the background and connect/download data etc - those I can't leave running).
Hopefully the new ROM will be released shortly and will eliminate this problem and improve the reliability overall!!
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That is a good summary and good to get actual experience feedback. The proof of the pudding is in the eating or in your case the enormous reduction in lock ups.
Mike

I took another approach to this problem. I like to keep everything on my SD card as well, but I hate the lag that occurs if you put the device to sleep. My solution was, simply put, to never put it to sleep. I disabled sleep completely and I never use the power button to shut down the screen. It's very very nice having it instantly ready to go at the touch of a button. The battery life usage is minimal for me to have this benefit. However, I feel this device is a bit slow still. I would like to find an overclocking program that works for this device eventually.

I was able to reproduce the freezing in standby (i.e. the device not waking up, but leds blinking AND when I tried to call myself from another phone I heard the ringings in the caller phone, but no sign from the freezed TyTN).
I Installed AEButtons (on PHONE memory, not on card).
Put HW1 / HW2 that on single-click / double click to toggle WiFi.
I turn WiFI off, then on, using the HW shortcut.
Then put phone manually to sleep.
It won't wake up by any mean, except soft reset.
Unfortunately, this worked for me every time .
I am uninstalling now all programs one by one because sometimes the freezing would manifest when charging, too (but not always). I will probably end up with a hard reset and start rebuilding again...

[Q] Galaxy Tab: Strange Stability Issue [Random Crashes]

I've had my Galaxy Tab (Verizon edition) now for under a week. Naturally, that means I've been installing apps on it every day.
Last night an issue cropped up that turns out to be a deeper problem than I thought.
To start, I'd randomly see a force close for the built-in Google Maps app. Force closes aren't necessarily unusual, but this was force closing every 10 seconds or so. And it wasn't running. No sign of it in any of the task manager or application manager or running services areas. Yet, it was crashing.
(Don't worry, the fun doesn't end there.)
So, I suspected the last couple of apps I installed and uninstalled them (more on this later). The problem didn't go away. Around this time, other apps started crashing randomly -- often without a force close (much more like how iOS apps crash -- a return to the home screen).
The crashing always coincides with a single short vibrate then a triple-vibrate about 5 seconds later when the app closes or the force close dialog comes up. This happens in nearly any app -- from the home screen (less common) to the Browser, maps, settings, gmail, 3rd party apps, etc.
But wait, there's more...
I wasn't observant enough the first time to notice that the suspected apps were never uninstalled. Now no app will actually install. When I perform the uninstall, everything seems fine. Until I reboot. Then the app is back, fully functional.
None of the apps are installed to the SD card. The device is not rooted. The device claims just over a gigabyte of internal memory free, and slightly under half the SD card free.
Anyone see any of this behavior? I'm hoping to avoid doing a factory reset -- while also unsure that it would even do anything if something else is wrong. And the two issues (crashing and uninstalls-not-sticky) aren't necessarily related.
This isn't my first Android device, either... I haven't seen this or anything like it on the G1, N1, Droid, Evo, Archos, or any other device, for that matter.
Thoughts? Ideas? Musings? Questions?
[Update: Device was replaced. If it wasn't a hardware problem, it was still good enough to prompt the retailer to replace it. They easily accepted, "The factory reset doesn't work." as a reason.)

Sounds to me like there is something wrong with the internal memory chip. I would return the device within the DOA warranty if I were you.

Seems that it probably is a hardware issue.
I tried a factory reset (which appears to be a very convenient way to boot in to recovery mode, BTW) and it was only able to delete a portion of data. All of the apps are still there, all the data, etc. (The SD card aside, the factory wipe doesn't touch that.)
So, back it goes for exchange!

I just started having the same problem today and I have not installed any new apps although I did update date my existing apps a few days ago. My phone is rooted but by your discription that's not the cause.
I did reset my phone and I formated my SD memory. I also use a code that I found to reset the phone to factory and reset everything. Non of this has solved the problem.
I'm still trying and I'll let you know it I have any positive results.
I'm on a Galaxy S Vibrant with 2.2 Firmware, Froyo and a 2.6.32.9 kernel

[Q] Neither SD Card will Properly Mount

I scoured google and the forums for a problem similar to mine, and so far, not a single thing Iv'e tried has helped (and I've been trying stuff for ~4 hours now).
After getting my SGS back from the repair shop (for the second time), I took it home, rooted it, and loaded Darky's and SpeedMod on. When I rebooted my phone, the initial SGS screen (with all the writing) froze for ~2 mins, then proceeded onto the "Big S" screen. Once there, it froze, doing it's shimmering thing for ~5 mins, and FINALLY loaded up. Initially launcher refused to open, so I was left with a blank screen with a little status bar at the top. Once it loaded, the phone became so slow that it took at least a min to start any app.
I restarted the phone (seems to help half the time), and same story, so I booted into recovery and was greeted by a blue "2e" menu, not the green CWM menu that SHOULD have shown up, and had shown up only minutes before. (I have SpeedMod CWM).
I reflashed the SpeedMod Kernel, and rebooted my phone. This time, the phone booted up far faster than it had before. I went into the "My Files" app to make sure I remembered to load backups back on, and I get a "No SD Card Inserted". I went into "setting>sd card and phone storage", and both the internal and external sd cards are listed as having an "Unavailable" total and available space value. I tried pressing mount on both ext and int, but it just sits there and doesn't ever actually do anything. (Same story for the format options). I searched around, and tried a few solutions (Tbh, probably couldnt tell you everything that I did). The last thing I tried was repartioning the internal storage. Long story short, lots of steps, but it didn't work.
Im still able to use the phone to make calls and text and everything, its just the internal and external storages that I can't use. As of right now, under the "Sd Card and Phone Storage" screen, all the values are "Unavailable", with the exception of the phone storage, which reads "0.00B".
Note: If I put the SD's into my computer, they're fully read/writable.
2nd Note: Sorry if this really just is a manifestation of the "standard SGS problem". Didn't read of anyone with quite the same problem though.
Thanks. Really don't want to have to ship my phone off for another 2 months, for the 3rd time. :/
Edit: Tried opening the camera app, and I got a Toast: "Turn off USB Storage before using camera"

Looks like it's a ROM problem. Did you try flashing a clean stock ROM insted of just flashing the kernel of a Custom one?

Safe Mode!

I'm starting to think I might have something wrong with my Note. From time to time I'll turn on the screen and go to do something, but it'll freeze, then go black and make the chimes sound it does when booting up. At first I thought touchwiz was restarting since it doesn't always make the chime sound, but now I'm pretty sure it's doing a full reboot.
Yesterday I got the freakout reboot, but this time it booted up into Safe Mode! I didn't even know there was such a thing on Android, but see the attached screenshot. It clearly says Safe Mode in the bottom left corner, and it deleted several widgets from my home screens, and in my app drawer it removed most of the apps from the folders I'd created, but left the folders.
Rebooting took the device out of safe mode, but didn't fix my foldered icons or home screen widgets. Pretty annoying.
Anyone else had any Safe Mode experiences? Any idea what might cause a spontaneous reboot into it?

Since you have AT & T in your profile, could it be that you're posting in the wrong thread?
If you have AT&T Galaxy Note I717, you should go here for assistance:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1494

Restart your phone. . My little boy managed to put my note into safe mode (dont ask me how cos i cant work it out how he did it) turning off the phone and restarting puts the phone back to normal
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You enter safe mode buy touching the menu button while the phone boots. If you are not touching menu, then some ap/ software is causing this. Try a factory reset to see if that resolves the problem.

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Since you have AT & T in your profile, could it be that you're posting in the wrong thread?
If you have AT&T Galaxy Note I717, you should go here for assistance:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1494
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No, I have the international Note. I did just buy an AT&T version, too, but haven't started using it.
I did reboot back into normal mode already. I was mainly wondering if booting into safe mode was responsible for removing all of my aftermarket widgets, non-stock app links in the bottom quicklaunch section, and taking everything out of the folders in my app drawer except for the stock apps. I guess I'll start removing apps and hopefully the problem will go away. The spontaneous reboot happens probably once every other day on average, but just to safe mode that once so far.

my phone used to go into reboot loops often and also very predictable. widgets would not load properly too.
The problem as per me is a buggy apps 2 sd move occurring in the phone (reproducible event every single time i recreate that situation).
Solution that i found the hard way after a lot of trial and error and a lot of frustration (needing to repeatedly reload all my apps) was to go into application manager and delete any apps that are present but blanked out without logos. They are always some apps that have been moved to sd card improperly by the phone.
Sometimes when you try to move many apps fast to sd card in sequence then the move isnt done properly and you get application manager showing the app size as 4kb or 8kb or 12kb etc when the actual app size is many times that or even several hundred kbs or mbs. you will need to uninstall all these apps and reinstal them slowly one by one instead of autoupdating market apps which just recereates the problem if the app has already been moved to sd card.
Also another reason not to auto audate apps that have been moved to sd card is that sometimes when you have many apps then this auto update feature when moving it to sd card does it improperly and previous properly installed app after the autoupdate will cause the device to crash because the sd move is buggy and when you go through application manager then the app size show is at variance with actual size and usually just shows 4kb 8kb or 12kb etc instead of usual size. You will then need to uninstal these apps and start all over again.
Since manually moving apps to sd one by one and removing autoupdate for these apps i havent had issues usually.
Once the phone even got stuck on data signal only and would not let wifi on and when ever switched on it would immediately disable it autoatically. couldnt solve this by rebooting or deleting apps or firmware update (not rooted) and had to do a factory reset to sort the problem.
This is not an issue with sd card as even brand new sd cards cause the same issue again. The problem does not occur if all apps are on internal memory or sd card is removed. so guess it is an issue with phone being unable to properly work when many apps are trying to access info on card that it cant access because of improper transfer to sd card. phone then freezes and goes into reboot loops sometimes for 8hours at a go! only sorts itself when the apps are deleted and works ok when same apps are reinstalled properly.
ps: wondering what the safe mode does though and when it is useful to start in this mode? any pointers anyone.

once i accidentally removed the battery while the phone was on. When i put the battery back and restarted it, it booted in safe mode.

Mine just went into Safe Mode. I had rebooted the phone and put it in my pocket whilst it was rebooting. I rebooted normally and got it out of Safe Mode. There is one very annoying thing and one quite good thing that has resulted from this though.
Annoying thing: Many widgets now need putting back onto the home screens
Good thing: All Apps in the App Drawer are now in alphabetical order !!!!

Use app zorter from the market or clear data of touchwiz. All downloaded apps will be sorted automatically.
Well I had safe mode once after unexpected reboot. Still wondering what the reason was.

I have random rebooting issues with my Note as well. It hasn't always done this but it has been happening for the last few months and it'll generally happen once every couple of days. It does seem to be somehow related to moving apps around as mentioned in previous posts because I've had apps fail to move to SD a couple of times and it has rebooted once or twice whilst in the middle of trying to move an app to SD. It'll also sometimes reboot when auto-updating an app as I can hear the boot sound happening at times when I'm nowhere near the phone. I don't have any apps showing up with a dodgy icon at the moment but I have seen some stuff appear like that in the past and the only solution was to uninstall and reinstall the app; although that's only fixed the app in question, it's never solved the general rebooting issues. The phone will also sometimes lock up and reboot when trying to launch application (this seems to happen more often with newly installed apps at first launch, but that might just be a coincidence).
The only other odd thing I've noticed, which might well be completely unrelated, is that the shortcut for one particular app (the full version of "Where's My Water?") continually disappears from a folder of shortcuts on my main desktop screen. The app itself is usually still on the phone and will happily launch from the app drawer, but if I create a shortcut anywhere else it will always disappear again shortly afterwards and it's literally the only app this happens with. The only reason I mentioned this as possibly related is because the app has appeared with a bad icon once and had to be reinstalled again as if the phone had lost track of it on the SD card.
Anyway, I do get the feeling that the reboots are happening when the phone can't find something on SD storage, or when it can't get data on/off the card fast enough or whatever. God knows how you'd get to the bottom of this or solve it though; the ICS upgrade will probably force me to do a factory reset of my phone so I'm hoping the issue will just fix itself as part of that process otherwise I'll just need to put up with being annoyed at it.

Problems with Adopted Storage (a.k.a Flex Storage)

Hello all,
I have a Moto Z Force Droid (XT1650-02). It's running on Android version 8.0.0, and build number OCLS27.76-69-6. It was acquired from Verizon. It is not rooted (sadly), and the bootloader is locked. It has 32GB of internal storage, however, I added an SDCard(64GB) to increase that storage space.
I'm having some problem(s) with my SDCard, or more so its usage as adopted storage. I've had the phone with the storage for quite a while and everything has been fine. However, 3-4 days ago was when the issues started. One night, my phone was acting really laggy. Which I just chalked up to tech being tech. I let it sit for a bit, tried rebooting it, etc. Well, as time progresses it seems to me that Facebook Messenger is what's slowing it down. So, I try uninstalling it. Of course, this isn't working and android just keeps giving me a helpful little notification that the app is uninstalling (for much longer than it *should* take). I figured I'd reboot into safe mode and try uninstalling it from there. The phone powers off and reboots fine. However, when I tried to unlock the screen, the entire phone froze and crashed after a minute or two. Once it reboots, it gets stuck in the bootloader (or, more specifically, where it says "DROID" and there are little shiny spots moving around the letters). So I used the power button to force the device off and try rebooting again. Again, boots up fine but it freezes at unlock and the cycle starts again.
Around 2 days ago I took it to a Verizon store. Originally I was just told I was going to have to factory reset (which I didn't want to because all the pictures I have and such would be lost. Apps are backed up by Google though). They told me to take out the SDCard, to help save what I could. Then, I got the bright idea to try booting without the card. This time the phone booted fine and unlocked like it should (the only problem now is that I had no internal storage and all the apps that were on the SDCard aren't loading since no SDCard).
When I leave the phone on and install the SDCard, I can browse the internal storage again. However, I can't see any of the files when I try transferring them to PC over USB. As well, after a while of using the phone, or even letting it idle, it will eventually crash and go back to the above botting and not-unlocking scenarios.
Based on how/when the problem started, and the logcats I've grabbed as the phone was crashing, I have reason to believe it has something to do with Facebook Messenger not being removed correctly. [Logcats in the comment below.]
Any help would be greatly appreciated. As well, please tell me if there's anything that needs clarification. (Sorry for the wall of text. I just don't know what else to do at the moment.)

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