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Apple did a good job selling it's next product, as usual. it announced a product and with it a firm release date in the very near future.
In contrast, Google screwed up the FroYo release as much as they possibly can. Google I/O announced FroYo on May 20th, with no firm date for release. That was just a few days short of three weeks ago.
Okay, so I am not worried about it to the point that I am ready to go all iPhone on your butts, I am just pointing out that Google has a lot to learn about rolling out a product.
They absolutely do.
Google is acting like a bunch of freaking amateurs.
I'm not the least bit interested in the iPhone, but I am jealous that they guys running Apple seem more professional and capable than do the folks running Google/Android.
It's embarrassing.
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Apple did a good job selling it's next product, as usual. it announced a product and with it a firm release date in the very near future.
In contrast, Google screwed up the FroYo release as much as they possibly can. Google I/O announced FroYo on May 20th, with no firm date for release. That was just a few days short of three weeks ago.
Okay, so I am not worried about it to the point that I am ready to go all iPhone on your butts, I am just pointing out that Google has a lot to learn about rolling out a product.
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Honestly, I feel the same way. Google I/O was great, but it was all just fluff. We didn't get anything solid. Nothing. Google can take some lessons here about giving people something they can hold on too. "Few Weeks" is not enough. I think one of the main reasons that people aren't out in front of Google with pitch forks and torches is that they "leaked" a 2.2 early release so we have a taste of it and something to play with.
All in all, I agree with you 100%, Google has a lot to learn.
On the flip side -
Apple introduced iAds today like they were the greatest thing since sliced bread. Well, hold the phone (lousy pun intended - deal), those little banners consume data. No biggie data is unlimit- whoa wait. Not it's not. Not anymore on Apple's carrier of choice in the USA.
I don't care how little data those little banners use - to promote a system that not only allows their use but encourages it at the expense of a user locked into a tiered data plan is reprehensible. Does anyone else see an ethical problem with this?
Then there is the practical issue - a user is at the hairy edge of his allotment without buying more data - well except for those pesky little banners that put him over the top. Nice job, Steve Jobs, you butthole.
Likewise, I think any Android PAID app should have all ad banners removed. I know this is a common practice, but it should be a rule. No app with banners should be available at all without a paid counterpart without banners, IMO.
Well sure we don't have a solid release date yet... but we also get more updates then 1 per year. Think on the bright side. At least Froyo 2.2 is already out, if not officially. I don't understand your complaining. Android can already do what the iPhone is just not catching up to.
If our Androids ran on Apple time... we wouldn't see 2.2 until next January. Again, be happy you don't have to wait that long. Be lucky we get what we get. Plus 2.1 runs great anyway.
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we wouldn't see 2.2 until next January. .
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at the rate Google is going.....
player911 said:
Well sure we don't have a solid release date yet... but we also get more updates then 1 per year. Think on the bright side. At least Froyo 2.2 is already out, if not officially. I don't understand your complaining. Android can already do what the iPhone is just not catching up to.
If our Androids ran on Apple time... we wouldn't see 2.2 until next January. Again, be happy you don't have to wait that long. Be lucky we get what we get. Plus 2.1 runs great anyway.
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No, not complaining, stating some facts.
Apple = Solid release dates announced
Google = Vague mentions to releases that are coming "soon".
What should Google do? Follow the Apply model? Announce it 4 months ago, which is what Apple did, then wait until you release a new phone (which actually have hard dates) to launch the new OS... so if Google did this, we would be waiting until the Nexus2 to get FroYo. Sounds great guys! Not...
Take a nap or something.
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What should Google do? Follow the Apply model? Announce it 4 months ago, which is what Apple did, then wait until you release a new phone (which actually have hard dates) to launch the new OS... so if Google did this, we would be waiting until the Nexus2 to get FroYo. Sounds great guys! Not...
Take a nap or something.
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They should have STFU until they had a hard release date.
Period.
And they sure as hell shouldn't have released it to the freaking press who didn't pay a dime for their Nexus.
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They should have STFU until they had a hard release date.
Period.
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Stop whining please.
It makes the rest of us Nexus One owners look bad.
Talderon said:
No, not complaining, stating some facts.
Apple = Solid release dates announced
Google = Vague mentions to releases that are coming "soon".
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Simple facts...
Apple= Announcing new phone!
Google= Software update
Two different things. Google gave a firm date for the Nexus One.
And when has Apple ever given a firm date for a software update/bug fix? Oh, wait, they haven't... they have only ever given firm dates for new phone releases, and then said the exact same stuff Google has, that the new OS will be available shortly for other models.
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Stop whining please.
It makes the rest of us Nexus One owners look bad.
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Dude you're responsible for yourself. I'm not going to shut up because you are insecure.
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Well sure we don't have a solid release date yet... but we also get more updates then 1 per year. Think on the bright side. At least Froyo 2.2 is already out, if not officially. I don't understand your complaining. Android can already do what the iPhone is just not catching up to.
If our Androids ran on Apple time... we wouldn't see 2.2 until next January. Again, be happy you don't have to wait that long. Be lucky we get what we get. Plus 2.1 runs great anyway.
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I am just saying that Apple has their act together when it comes to product launches. Google does not. People had a much better understanding of what's coming and when with Apple's Keynote than they did at Google's. It left a lot less speculation and release anxiousness on the table. That makes for happier customers.
No doubt I'd rather be using the version of FroYo we are already looking at than iOS4. That wasn't my point.
Since Apple is now in the ad business (some vague 60% number thrown out there), why not get into the hardware business google?
HTC is a good manufacturer but lacks the innovation needed. Sony designs well but moves at a snails pace and makes horrible decisions.
....10char
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Very true. And on the flip side of that - Your responsible for yourself as well. So act like an adult instead of getting everyone tense on the forum with childish behavior.
I wouldn't be upset really. Tom Petty did say it best when he said "waiting is the hardest part". However if Froyo isn't finished, then we need to sit back and chill for a little while longer. I would be really mad if we get it (example) July 4th weekend and absolutely nothing has been added or changed.
Looks like we are all in wait and see mode..
Google needs to get it's act together on android. Microsoft is going to come after them, not apple not RIM. Microsoft and Google are aiming for OEMs and OEMs have already complained about google's way of releasing android updates.
I was shocked when Andy Rubin said that they don't have road-maps for version release. Google needs to look at Mozilla for their planning.
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Very true. And on the flip side of that - Your responsible for yourself as well. So act like an adult instead of getting everyone tense on the forum with childish behavior.
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Rather than try and start a flame war, just post your opinion like I did and move one. If you cannot handle an opposing opinion, the internet may not be for you. If you're getting tense reading my posts, take a valium, but I will post any way I want(within forum rules of course).
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piss off, pantload.
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It's ok attn1... I know if I was always screaming "the sky is falling the sky is falling" about the release of Froyo I'd be a little tense too
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=252442468100086
We should show that we are all united to help HTC and not let Apple take down the company who make our devices. One of the best Android makers there is in the world currently.
HTC isn't going away. They will just have to pay a bunch of money to Apple and Google said they will help HTC stay in business if that happens.
Oh really its just money. I am sorry if you did not know apple's goal in all of this. Money doesn't stop bleeding profits.. But loss of competition will. Their goal is simple to get them out of the country.
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Oh really its just money. I am sorry if you did not know apple's goal in all of this. Money doesn't stop bleeding profits.. But loss of competition will. Their goal is simple to get them out of the country.
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lol, people are really taking this serious?
HTC isn't going anywhere. They're large enough to take care of themselves and if worst comes to worst they have google backing them and if they're smart, Samsung, Motorola, LG and the empire of android manufacturers will back them up also.
This is only the beginning they're intent is to bring android down they are in the process of sueing everybody.
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lol, people are really taking this serious?
HTC isn't going anywhere. They're large enough to take care of themselves and if worst comes to worst they have google backing them and if they're smart, Samsung, Motorola, LG and the empire of android manufacturers will back them up also.
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I think all of them would rather see a competitor fail. Best case scenario in their mind: HTC sales drop, get hit with more fees per phone, become weak and get sold on the cheap.
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This is only the beginning they're intent is to bring android down they are in the process of sueing everybody.
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squidly, Im a huge fan of your D2 rom, but do you really think Apple can take android down? It wont happen, its already too late. Maybe 3 years ago it could have happened but the lawsuits are too little to late.
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squidly, Im a huge fan of your D2 rom, but do you really think Apple can take android down? It wont happen, its already too late. Maybe 3 years ago it could have happened but the lawsuits are too little to late.
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HTC is already paying MS for each Android phone sold, if they have to pay Apple too it may become prohibitively expensive to sell them and still make enough profit. I don't know how much they pay MS or potentially Apple but it's a possibility.
Not Android but HTC is a piece of the puzzle. And they compete with OEMs not Android.
IDC WHAT happens to this country. I want to see apple fail today. I want to see the iphone off the market completely. The iphone screams that the owner is an idiot.
Why is HTC paying ms for each phone they sell?
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HTC is already paying MS for each Android phone sold, if they have to pay Apple too it may become prohibitively expensive to sell them and still make enough profit. I don't know how much they pay MS or potentially Apple but it's a possibility.
Not Android but HTC is a piece of the puzzle. And they compete with OEMs not Android.
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IDC WHAT happens to this country. I want to see apple fail today. I want to see the iphone off the market completely. The iphone screams that the owner is an idiot.
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Based off of your post, I'm pretty sure that I know about a couple of dozen iPhone owners (ie almost every one of them) who clearly smarter than you.
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Why is HTC paying ms for each phone they sell?
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For the same reason - patents.
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Why is HTC paying ms for each phone they sell?
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Well, lets Google.
http://www.businessinsider.com/htc-pays-microsoft-5-per-android-phone-2011-5
Lets see what we have here. We have people that wants Apple (an American company) to fail. We have the same people who wants HTC, LG, Samsung, and etc (all foreign companies) to take down apple. I don't follow the line of reasoning.
I don't like GM cars but I sure don't want them to fail or be underdog to the foreign markets.
I'd rather bug HTC for source code to 2.3.3 update
As for buy american, I agree but I also disagree: https://www.insightcommunity.com/case.php?iid=1333 (move down)
'Buying American' used to mean more than buying an American based company's goods ... mainly product made in America. Or at least for the most part. The two might be based (for the most part), as a whole, in two different regions ... in a way. But they are essentially coming from similar locations, in this case; not America / US.
But, hey ... 'merica! *waves mini flag*
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Oh really its just money. I am sorry if you did not know apple's goal in all of this. Money doesn't stop bleeding profits.. But loss of competition will. Their goal is simple to get them out of the country.
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Apple is having ZERO profitability issues.
http://stocks.investopedia.com/stoc...surd-AAPL-DELL-HPQ-RIMM-NOK-GOOG-PHG0720.aspx
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Oh really its just money. I am sorry if you did not know apple's goal in all of this. Money doesn't stop bleeding profits.. But loss of competition will. Their goal is simple to get them out of the country.
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Just wow! Where the hell is it posted that Apple had a loss of profit because of Android? Apple is just pulling a **** move, that is all. Android is NOT a threat to iPhone/iPad sales in the least!!!
Read this
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/21/apple-tops-android-in-enterprise-little-green-robot-still-gunni/
And then this.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/19/apples-q3-earnings-exceed-estimates-28-57-billion-revenue-7/
Please educate yourself before you talk out of your ass.
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HTC is already paying MS for each Android phone sold, if they have to pay Apple too it may become prohibitively expensive to sell them and still make enough profit. I don't know how much they pay MS or potentially Apple but it's a possibility.
Not Android but HTC is a piece of the puzzle. And they compete with OEMs not Android.
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At the $5 a handset that HTC is paying MicroShaft, if Apple follows the same model, I don't see that eating too much in HTCs profit margin.
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At the $5 a handset that HTC is paying MicroShaft, if Apple follows the same model, I don't see that eating too much in HTCs profit margin.
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Lets say that Apple makes it $10 a handset. How much does HTC pay for a WP7 license? I've heard $5-10, that makes it more espensive or equal. But then consider the additional costs: a WP7 license comes with IP protection (HTC is spending a lot of money fighting MS and Apple), then there's QA testing that has to be handled by the OEM, development costs for drivers, and then finally design and development costs for HTC sense. Android itself is free but creating/selling a consumer version of it isn't. Is $10/handset + the additional costs too much? I have no idea but I don't think it helps.
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I think the best response to apple trying to shut down android would be for every android user to file a class action suit against apple to recuperate the money spent on their android phones, I think there would be enough interest to make apple pay attention, maybe just the threat might be enough, who knows....just a thought
Just saw this article:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...d-Google-cancel-Nexus-Prime-phone-launch.html
Wonder why they are delaying? Perhaps it's just not ready?! I was pretty anxious for announce
is this being reported anywhere else? the article cites no source.
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is this being reported anywhere else? the article cites no source.
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http://moconews.net/article/419-ice...-google-and-samsung-delay-nexus-prime-launch/
http://phandroid.com/2011/10/07/ice-cream-sandwich-and-nexus-prime-announcement-reportedly-delayed/
http://www.tekgadg.com/tekgadg/2011/9/19/nexus-prime-delayed-till-december-molly-wood-says.html
Many think it's out of respect for Steve Jobs. He might have his funeral around that time.
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Many think it's out of respect for Steve Jobs. He might have his funeral around that time.
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Makes sense. Just hope it's not something else. One report is speculating the announce being pushed back to December.
some of articles all link back to this one
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/42445/samsung-nexus-prime-launch-pulled
but it states no source either except, "believe us or else". although im not saying its not true, no one has cited a source.
engadget also has the news including company statement
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/07/samsung-and-google-postpone-ice-cream-sandwich-and-galaxy-nexus/
Talk about disappointment!
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people are saying it's out of respect for Jobs..that makes sense.
Google's CEO worked on Apples board so it's out if respect for Steve Jobs & they didn't want to destroy the new iPhone 4s with better phone & OS with all its goodies
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theres now rumor that the new unveiling will be in london on the 27th of oct.
Androidcentral says why:
http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-officially
Update: Google's explained why the delay. Works for us.
"We believe this is not the right time to announce a new product as the world expresses tribute to Steve Jobs's passing."
Honestly, it makes sense to me and I don't blame them. I'm just happy I got to see a video of it.
I think it's actually a poor business decision. The business of business is business and business is war. Take every opportunity you can get, and they just gave Apple a big one.
I don't see Apple pushing back the iPhone 4S release.
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I don't see Apple pushing back the iPhone 4S release.
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Steve wouldn't want that. Lol. But true about the war. You don't stop. For NOBODY! Lol. Just kiddin. Can't wait for it
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I don't see Apple pushing back the iPhone 4S release.
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1) Lackluster 4S launch.
2) Jobs (R.I.P)
3) Delay release?
It would be too much for Apple fans. Really though, we can only speculate.
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I don't see Apple pushing back the iPhone 4S release.
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This is a valid point. One would think that Apple had some idea that Jobs was on his way out. It did strike me as a bit strange that they announced this lackluster new device and announced the death of their CEO the very next day. I dunno.
So you are saying steve waited until they release his device to die? Or you are saying they waited one day to give the announcement that he die?
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The Nexus was suppose to compete directly with the Iphone 5.
I hear that the Iphone 5 was suppose to have the newer LTE chip which runs cooler and uses less power. My opinion is the Nexus Prime was suppose to compete directly with the iphone 5. If the iphone has the newer chip which is currently being developed it would own the Nexus Prime.
TBH, if Steve Jobs was healthy, would he delay the release of a phone if someone else iconic passed away? Let's say Bill Gates passed away, would Jobs do the same favor? I think not, he would probably do it to steal the thunder.
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This is a valid point. One would think that Apple had some idea that Jobs was on his way out. It did strike me as a bit strange that they announced this lackluster new device and announced the death of their CEO the very next day. I dunno.
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I was just at an AT&T Store, they're going to sell that damn Iphone4S next week, with or without Jobs.
dead78 said:
This is a valid point. One would think that Apple had some idea that Jobs was on his way out. It did strike me as a bit strange that they announced this lackluster new device and announced the death of their CEO the very next day. I dunno.
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Nothing strange about that. Jobs wasn't in good health at all. The disappointment at the release of the iphone4s instead of the iphone5 was enough to nearly kill HEALTHY Apple nerds.
Bashing the Moto X's "dated, me-too" Design and second rate in-hand feel... compared to the iPhone 5s
LOL
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-littman/no-more-motogoogles-not-s_b_4293432.html
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Bashing the Moto X's "dated, me-too" Design and second rate in-hand feel... compared to the iPhone 5s
LOL
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-littman/no-more-motogoogles-not-s_b_4293432.html
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why are you surprised, the auther owns stock in Apple, was the first editor of Mac Week, and is routinely invited to speak at apple related events. So don't let a fanboi's article get you upset.
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why are you surprised, the auther owns stock in Apple, was the first editor of Mac Week, and is routinely invited to speak at apple related events. So don't let a fanboi's article get you upset.
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I'm surprised because he singled out a phone that is widely praised for it's design... one that actually has better ergonomics and feels better in hand than not only the iPhone he praises... but any other phone currently available.
Here's the comment I posted over there(that will likely never get approved):
This article is hilariously off-base from every other article being written lately about the MotoX... It is THE Android phone right now... Besting the HTC One, Galaxy S 4 and Nexus 5 in real world usage....
It is also widely praised for it's design and ergonomics... you know... exactly what the blocky, sharp-edged, iPhone lacks.
http://www.zdnet.com/attention-to-d...d-the-moto-x-a-place-in-my-pocket-7000023426/
http://blog.laptopmag.com/motorola-game-changer-2013
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I'm surprised because he singled out a phone that is widely praised for it's design... one that is actually has better ergonomics and feels better in hand than not only the iPhone he praises... but any other phone currently available.
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Ok, so you are surprised that an unabashed apple fanboi has negative things to say about an Android device.
This is the line that got me:
The Moto X flunked, flopped and tanked, and has already been dubbed the most disappointing smart phone of the year.
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By who? Most of the reviews I've seen have been positive. If anything about the Moto X has been a failure, it was how the launch was handled. Fumbling with Moto maker was their biggest mistake. This is because of its AT&T exclusivity. Prospective buyers would pass on the phone for other carriers because it appeared inferior. But bad sales figures does not a bad device make.
Design with a capital D is what is winning over Apple cohorts --that subtle combination of materials, weight, lines, and how it feels in your hand.
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This is an interesting thing to say, since the design of the 5S is almost completely unchanged from the 5. One could argue the "if it ain't broke" angle, but evolution is not revolution. Apple did not reinvent, it maintained.
In addition, "winning over Apple cohorts" goes against the earlier derision of "obedient bloggers." Are "Apple cohorts" not also in a camp of followers?
So yeah, Apple-happy post by Apple-happy person. Nothing to see here.
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Ok, so you are surprised that an unabashed apple fanboi has negative things to say about an Android device.
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no, I'm surprised by the arguments he chose to base his derision on... I mean, he specifically chose to argue fallacies.
It would be like me arguing that:
Android devices are over-piced, the iPhone and, in fact, all apple products are far less expensive that their non-apple competition.
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In addition, the lack of popularity of Apple products gives the user status as a trend setter. In fact, if you own one, you may very likely be the only person you know who owns one and may never see another iPhone.
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Also, the small screens available on android phones can't compare to the gigantic movie theater like display of the iPhone.
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And the sky is plaid.
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There ARE things you can pick on about the Moto X... and android in general... specifically in comparison to the iPhone... but the Moto X's design, ergonomics and in-hand feel... are not among them.
"Jonathan Littman was the first news editor of Mac Week magazine. He owns Apple stock and is the co-author of the Art of Innovation and Ten Faces of Innovation and founder of Snowball Narrative."
Apple fanboy
What a pathetic article. What really amazes me is why people bother to even read tech news on huffington post. Why?
aooga said:
What a pathetic article. What really amazes me is why people bother to even read tech news on huffington post. Why?
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Whats Huffington post? :silly:
But seriously think I read one article by them and was like... yea waste of time, lack of research, writting skills etc etc
Just another sheep lost in its own herd. Quite sad honestly lol
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Just another sheep lost in its own herd. Quite sad honestly lol
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I don't generally like to throw the 'fanboi' ball around so I won't.
No matter what you think of huffington post there's one thing they are really good at. Writing articles (and especially headlining them) for SEO and maximum traffic.
He has an opinion. HP gave it a great SEO headline. "digital divide"? really? Usually that means something else, but that doesn't matter if the hits keep coming in. Still it's just on person's opinion.
While I disagree with his opinion and love the design, feel and just about everything about my moto X there's one thing he's right about. This phone has not sold well. Certainly the roll out had an effect. Google saying it would be cheaper or there's a cheaper version coming didn't help. There were lots of reasons to hesitate... BUT I am not sure google/moto built this phone to be a hit. This phone is about the future of google, android and moto, and moto's reputation. Sometimes it takes a product cycle or two. Did anyone think Samsung would take over the world when the galaxy S was new? Hell I think for most of them the GPS didn't work.
When I bought my X it was between moto and apple. I can't say the design of either is bad. Apple is really good at design. They are also good at getting the most out of hardware. A lot of companies follow their lead. The moto x was the only phone out there trying to do something different and (IMO) doing it well.
Its just click bait and the 1/2 mil sold was only for the 3rd quarter
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Its just click bait and the 1/2 mil sold was only for the 3rd quarter
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Yes, but most phones do their best at the beginning of the product cycle. Prior to the release the buzz was that moto was going to release some crazy game changer that would fly off shelves and give samsung a run for their money. That's not this device. I think the X will be one of those phones five years from now that people will look back at and remember as the start of something.
True but then again all the pre-release everyone thought it was going to be a mid-tier phone and to just wait for the N5. The ATT exclusive didn't help either but I have to agree with you about the start of something
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Just another sheep lost in its own herd. Quite sad honestly lol
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Not sad at all! Quite funny actually. Such write ups make my day. I dont want him to state facts. I know that the Moto X kicks ass, I dont need some guy who doesnt have a clue to confirm it.
Now, if someone would be kind enough to point me to the youtube channel where some kid keeps spewing **** like his mother bought him an imac that has a touchscreen etc. Came across it a few years ago, but was foolish not to subscribe. Some said he was stupid while some thought he did it on purpose.
Yeah, I tweeted back to the guy that he didn't know what he was talking about. I just hate that articles like this one could hurt the Moto X sales and make Google/Motorola go another direction. Other articles also making a big deal about 500,000 sales in 3rd quarter being bad. Well - the phone was only out for 5 weeks or the 3rd quarter and was only on AT&T at the time. So you cannot compare that to worldwide sales of Apple and Samsung devices. What an idiot.
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While I disagree with his opinion and love the design, feel and just about everything about my moto X there's one thing he's right about. This phone has not sold well.
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Its just click bait and the 1/2 mil sold was only for the 3rd quarter
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Yeah, I tweeted back to the guy that he didn't know what he was talking about. I just hate that articles like this one could hurt the Moto X sales and make Google/Motorola go another direction. Other articles also making a big deal about 500,000 sales in 3rd quarter being bad. Well - the phone was only out for 5 weeks or the 3rd quarter and was only on AT&T at the time. So you cannot compare that to worldwide sales of Apple and Samsung devices. What an idiot.
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http://www.unwiredview.com/2013/11/...o-x-is-a-big-success-for-google-and-motorola/
It DID sell well.
eeshlikhith said:
http://www.unwiredview.com/2013/11/...o-x-is-a-big-success-for-google-and-motorola/
It DID sell well.
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Yeah, but nearly every news outlet is saying it did poorly. Oh, the guy in the article also gave them crap for making a low cost (Moto G) phone - "racing to the bottom". What a sensationalist jerk.
bclenney said:
Yeah, but nearly every news outlet is saying it did poorly. Oh, the guy in the article also gave them crap for making a low cost (Moto G) phone - "racing to the bottom". What a sensationalist jerk.
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The news outlets dont realize they are comparing the global sales of other flagships to US only moto X sales
and yea jerks be jerks :|
brian Marshall said:
I don't generally like to throw the 'fanboi' ball around so I won't.
No matter what you think of huffington post there's one thing they are really good at. Writing articles (and especially headlining them) for SEO and maximum traffic.
He has an opinion. HP gave it a great SEO headline. "digital divide"? really? Usually that means something else, but that doesn't matter if the hits keep coming in.
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Precisely. This is a site that advocates against vaccination, so I find it hard to take anything they write seriously.
As for the sales, be careful with the 500,000 "shipped" number - that doesn't necessarily mean 500,000 "sold" - i.e. we don't know how many are sitting in storage.
Andy Rubin has cancelled development of the Essential 2 and looks to be getting out the smartphone business entirely. He's hired Credit Suisse to find a buyer but no word on any progress since late May. My bet is Essential PH1 will be the only Essential Smartphone so I decided to buy a new, inbox, white device for $350.00. I'm thinking it will appreciate as time goes by so I won't open the box. Wish I could have found the Limited Edition Oceans Depth color, I read one just sold on ebay for over $900.00.
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Andy Rubin has cancelled development of the Essential 2 and looks to be getting out the smartphone business entirely. He's hired Credit Suisse to find a buyer but no word on any progress since late May. My bet is Essential PH1 will be the only Essential Smartphone so I decided to buy a new, inbox, white device for $350.00. I'm thinking it will appreciate as time goes by so I won't open the box. Wish I could have found the Limited Edition Oceans Depth color, I read one just sold on ebay for over $900.00.
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Your point? This is old news and to be honest who knows how accurate..
varcor said:
Andy Rubin has cancelled development of the Essential 2 and looks to be getting out the smartphone business entirely. He's hired Credit Suisse to find a buyer but no word on any progress since late May. My bet is Essential PH1 will be the only Essential Smartphone so I decided to buy a new, inbox, white device for $350.00. I'm thinking it will appreciate as time goes by so I won't open the box. Wish I could have found the Limited Edition Oceans Depth color, I read one just sold on ebay for over $900.00.
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Welcome back from under your rock
autosurgeon said:
Your point? This is old news and to be honest who knows how accurate..
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The point is obvious, I feel at this time it's a good investment, especially at the price. With only approx 150,000 sold in time new units will be rare, very rare. I pointed out at Essential's PH-1 release, due to numerous issues the company could go out of business, which for all practical purposes, it has.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/es...ity-thread-t3665529/post73735036#post73735036
If you're not a collector the post is of little value.
varcor said:
Andy Rubin has cancelled development of the Essential 2 and looks to be getting out the smartphone business entirely. He's hired Credit Suisse to find a buyer but no word on any progress since late May. My bet is Essential PH1 will be the only Essential Smartphone so I decided to buy a new, inbox, white device for $350.00. I'm thinking it will appreciate as time goes by so I won't open the box. Wish I could have found the Limited Edition Oceans Depth color, I read one just sold on ebay for over $900.00.
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Old and unsubstantiated rumor.
There was never a PH-2 announced so how could it be cancelled?
tech_head said:
Old and unsubstantiated rumor.
There was never a PH-2 announced so how could it be cancelled?
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"Essential Products Inc., a startup co-founded by Android creator Andy Rubin that launched last year to great fanfare, is considering selling itself and has canceled development of a new smartphone, according to people familiar with the matter"
Scrapping a pending product has no relation as to whether a company has made an announcement regarding the aforementioned product. It's not rumor as multiple sources have confirmed cancellation of the device.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...hone-maker-essential-is-said-to-consider-sale
Whether or not anyone is in agreement is a moot point. The reason for the post was to make members aware it is likely to be a good investment at current prices as it certainly looks as though Essential is out of the smartphone business after having delivered less that 200,000 devices. And as collectors like myself are aware, if a collectable is unopened in it's original packaging, it's worth a lot more at some point in the future.
varcor said:
"Essential Products Inc., a startup co-founded by Android creator Andy Rubin that launched last year to great fanfare, is considering selling itself and has canceled development of a new smartphone, according to people familiar with the matter"
Scrapping a pending product has no relation as to whether a company has made an announcement regarding the aforementioned product. It's not rumor as multiple sources have confirmed cancellation of the device.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...hone-maker-essential-is-said-to-consider-sale
Whether or not anyone is in agreement is a moot point. The reason for the post was to make members aware it is likely to be a good investment at current prices as it certainly looks as though Essential is out of the smartphone business after having delivered less that 200,000 devices. And as collectors like myself are aware, if a collectable is unopened in it's original packaging, it's worth a lot more at some point in the future.
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Actually not confirmed by anyone.
Reported by Bloomberg only and the repeated by multiple others citing Bloomberg.
That article was from May and still no confirmation.
And no, since they never announced a device with specifics you don't know what they may or may not have cancelled.
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"according to people familiar with the matter"
Good ole wording of the fake news.
I think it would be funny if they brought out a NEW ph2 phone, and somehow were able to keep it's presence secret.
But, considering 99.9% of these things are made in China, it always leaks out.
Not to mention I'd say most of the leaks are on purpose, to draw free media attention, and to build "hype".
I've only had my PH-1 for a couple weeks, but it's been solid so far. And, coming from 3 Mate phones, that's
saying something for a "first try".
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"according to people familiar with the matter"
Good ole wording of the fake news.
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Exactly. It means we can't substantiate what we said or give any confirmation from an independent source.
FWIW, they continue on business as usual.
tech_head said:
Exactly. It means we can't substantiate what we said or give any confirmation from an independent source.
FWIW, they continue on business as usual.
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Sources often won't talk to a reporter if the reporter insists on naming them. This is very common. It doesn't mean that it's not true or ''fake''. Usually it is confirmed with at least one other source before it is reported. That seems to have been the case here. News organizations work very hard to make sure their reporting is correct because their livelihood depends on it.
''Fake news'' is often used to describe news that is unflattering, not news that is fabricated. Cases of fabrication by reputable news organizations is very rare and corrections are issued when the reporting is found to be erroneous.
tech_head said:
Actually not confirmed by anyone.
Reported by Bloomberg only and the repeated by multiple others citing Bloomberg.
That article was from May and still no confirmation.
And no, since they never announced a device with specifics you don't know what they may or may not have cancelled.
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Wrong, it's confirmed, not repeated though other sources but again is irrelevant. Get over it!
https://androidcommunity.com/essential-phone-2-cancelled-why-it-failed-20180525/
https://www.techspot.com/news/74805-second-generation-essential-phone-canceled-company-put-up.html
https://www.theinquirer.net/inquire...up-for-sale-essential-2-development-cancelled
Besides the numerous problems surrounding the release of the PH-1, the problems with the device itself, when we read this "Over the course of its first year, Essential has also faced turmoil in its employee ranks. It has lost dozens of hardware and software engineers as well as top executives. Brian Wallace, the original vice president of marketing, left just weeks after the company started. Earlier this year, Joe Tate, head of hardware engineering, also departed" it doesn't bode well for the company or potential buyer's of Essential. One aspect of the poor sales numbers which hasn't been mentioned is Economy of Scale. Due to it's unique build, the use of exotic materials it is not realistic to assume production output could approach a million plus units. Obviously a potential buyer would consider this as well. With whatever is remaining in regards to the company's valuation likely doesn't include trademark infringement brought on by Speigen and a theft of secrets lawsuit from Keyssa filed in federal court, San Francisco.
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Wrong, it's confirmed, not repeated though other sources but again is irrelevant. Get over it!
https://androidcommunity.com/essential-phone-2-cancelled-why-it-failed-20180525/
https://www.techspot.com/news/74805-second-generation-essential-phone-canceled-company-put-up.html
https://www.theinquirer.net/inquire...up-for-sale-essential-2-development-cancelled
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No point in arguing, but all three of those stories are from May and have Bloomberg as a source.
There has not been any completely independent source to verify what Bloomberg wrote. This has been discussed again and again on XDA and Essential's feed on Reddit.
They continue with business as usual and deliver software at a rate equal to Google updating the Pixel. So if nothing else the software integration team rocks.
YMMV, but to date Essential hasn't made a comment other than the typical, "we cancel and restructure projects". That's what technical companies do.
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No point in arguing, but all three of those stories are from May and have Bloomberg as a source.
There has not been any completely independent source to verify what Bloomberg wrote. This has been discussed again and again on XDA and Essential's feed on Reddit.
They continue with business as usual and deliver software at a rate equal to Google updating the Pixel. So if nothing else the software integration team rocks.
YMMV, but to date Essential hasn't made a comment other than the typical, "we cancel and restructure projects". That's what technical companies do.
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Their sales and support remain in place only for PH-1, if you consider that business as usual so be it, but one thing is certain, you'll never see a second smartphone from Essential which is why I acquired it as an investment. If anyone has an Ocean Depths device for sale I'd love to hear from you!
According to my source, me, who gives a ****ola. This is a great phone. You don't like it, get rid of it. Other than Googles own branded line, nothing receives updates faster. I'm on a $5 a month a lease and my buyout from the beginning was a whopping $140.
Oh no he will keep it in it's sealed box next to his limited edition Luke Skywalker action figure also in it's sealed box lol
autosurgeon said:
Oh no he will keep it in it's sealed box next to his limited edition Luke Skywalker action figure also in it's sealed box lol
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According to the laws of The Big Bang Theory...that's "Mint, sealed in a box".
p51d007 said:
According to the laws of The Big Bang Theory...that's "Mint, sealed in a box".
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http://www.thejakartapost.com/life/...le-phones-that-are-worth-a-fortune-today.html
No doubt about it, unopened in it's original packaging is ESSENTIAL to collectors.
varcor said:
http://www.thejakartapost.com/life/...le-phones-that-are-worth-a-fortune-today.html
No doubt about it, unopened in it's original packaging is ESSENTIAL to collectors.
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I keep my phones in a protective sleeve, never use a screen protector, but have never banged up, dented or scratched one yet (knock on wood). Wish I still had my Dyna-Tac my boss bought for us back in the day!
I've still got my PDA's, my analog & digital Star-Tac phones, and my Dell Streak 5, although as unpopular as it was, probably not worth much LOL.
This thread is all about speculation on the PH1 being a collector's piece. That seems pretty unlikely due to the niche nature of this phone. Were essential to go on to make a ph2 without selling many more of the PH1 it might make sense, but otherwise? Great phone but with nothing to really hold it out against the rest. Ceramic? Done before. Titanium? Done before..etc, etc. In other words, the Simpsons did it!
The Jakarta post article actually demonstrates how unlikely this is to be a worthwhile investment in the long term (other than enjoying it as a great phone of its time). Look at the examples and then what they draw in.
Good luck OP, be sure to let me know how wrong I am.