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But delayed for a good reason,
they exchange the original foreseen dual core soc for a quad core.
Yammy.
Good move for samsung but would the 2 additional cores really give that much of a performance boost since 99% of the apps are single threaded.
Also I wonder whats up with the 11.6, it seems to have gone so silent!
Another good reason would be to exchange the screen for an 1080p AMOLED!
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Good move for samsung but would the 2 additional cores really give that much of a performance boost since 99% of the apps are single threaded.
Also I wonder whats up with the 11.6, it seems to have gone so silent!
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If they give you a quad core for the same price as a dual core with better performance and better battery life, then why not.
I think they are doing this to make it more competitive in comparison to the new iPad. By giving it a quad core, the average person thinks it would be better than the new iPad since many people have a "4 cores are better than 2" mentality from a marketing standpoint. If they also have data numbers to back that up, such as better benchmark scores, etc, then that would help. It would still be a challenge to convince the average person, however, that Android on a 10.1 Note is a better experience than iOS on an iPad however, but if they can show the advantages of the S-Pen, better performance for gaming, and other such things, they might be able to get a better foothold on the tablet market.
Apple definitely has a dominance in the tablet market, but in a few years time, Android tablets will start to significantly eat at this lead just like it did with the smartphone market. By offering choices and differentiation from the iPad, and in the case of the Note: S-Pen functionality and the better quad core CPU, and with better pricing than an iPad, then I think we can see the Note tab doing well.
The Note 10.1 is great all around, the only two places it lacks (in my opinion) is the low screen resolution and the 16:10 aspect ratio of the screen. I will never buy a tablet around the 8-10 inch size that isn't 4:3 in screen ratio. If Sammy came out with another edition that fixes both issues I would seriously consider picking one up.
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Another good reason would be to exchange the screen for an 1080p AMOLED!
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With the current quality control on superamoled, that is a nightmare for a lot of users including me. Im pretty ok with the pls screen after using my friend's tab for a day.
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If they give you a quad core for the same price as a dual core with better performance and better battery life, then why not.
I think they are doing this to make it more competitive in comparison to the new iPad. By giving it a quad core, the average person thinks it would be better than the new iPad since many people have a "4 cores are better than 2" mentality from a marketing standpoint. If they also have data numbers to back that up, such as better benchmark scores, etc, then that would help. It would still be a challenge to convince the average person, however, that Android on a 10.1 Note is a better experience than iOS on an iPad however, but if they can show the advantages of the S-Pen, better performance for gaming, and other such things, they might be able to get a better foothold on the tablet market.
Apple definitely has a dominance in the tablet market, but in a few years time, Android tablets will start to significantly eat at this lead just like it did with the smartphone market. By offering choices and differentiation from the iPad, and in the case of the Note: S-Pen functionality and the better quad core CPU, and with better pricing than an iPad, then I think we can see the Note tab doing well.
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No issues with the price, i wonder if they will also go with a quad gpu.
Ios tablets apps are a bettet experince compared to andriod apps, used a friends ipad2 for a week and found all of its apps significantly better compared to andriod, imho.
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The Note 10.1 is great all around, the only two places it lacks (in my opinion) is the low screen resolution and the 16:10 aspect ratio of the screen. I will never buy a tablet around the 8-10 inch size that isn't 4:3 in screen ratio. If Sammy came out with another edition that fixes both issues I would seriously consider picking one up.
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+1 on aspect ratio.
I still using my tablet 4:3 1440x1050 because of the aspect ratio.
If I cant get 1920x1200 I dont want then 16:10 in a tiny tablet.
I like 16:10. Its perfect for reading and browsing the web. But i only will upgrade my 10.1 tab if the resolution doubles to 2560*1440
For a tablet with a Pen which will be mostly used in portrait mode to scribble on or for playing board games like chess, 4:3 aspect ratio is much more suitable but not much so for watching movies, so each has its own cons and pros,it comes down to what suits ones need more.
EarlZ said:
Good move for samsung but would the 2 additional cores really give that much of a performance boost since 99% of the apps are single threaded.
Also I wonder whats up with the 11.6, it seems to have gone so silent!
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ICS UI runs on a separate thread (read: core) wherever possible where as GB chops it about - hence the lag. As soon as games on ICS start utilising the extra cores, 4 will be better than 2!
To be honest, its only likely to be intensive apps that you'd notice any difference - and that probably means gaming. If, like me you use your tablet for Web browsing, watching videos and only occasionally for games 2 cores is plenty. Having said that, everyone wants new tech for speed and product lifetime.
friedje said:
But delayed for a good reason,
they exchange the original foreseen dual core soc for a quad core.
Yammy.
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Do we really need the 2 extra core?
sega_lou said:
Do we really need the 2 extra core?
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No,but this beeing my first Android phone,not counting my HD2,and from what I have seen I would rather go for a two highly clocked and simultaneously running cores,and a big sized battery.
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ICS UI runs on a separate thread (read: core) wherever possible where as GB chops it about - hence the lag. As soon as games on ICS start utilising the extra cores, 4 will be better than 2!
To be honest, its only likely to be intensive apps that you'd notice any difference - and that probably means gaming. If, like me you use your tablet for Web browsing, watching videos and only occasionally for games 2 cores is plenty. Having said that, everyone wants new tech for speed and product lifetime.
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Depsite all that, the preview video on the Tab 2 10.1 and Note 10.1 still shows signs of animation lag.
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Depsite all that, the preview video on the Tab 2 10.1 and Note 10.1 still shows signs of animation lag.
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And it will stay that way, since Android applications are based on Java, and Java is laggy even on my Quad Core i7 running PC.
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And it will stay that way, since Android applications are based on Java, and Java is laggy even on my Quad Core i7 running PC.
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Cry Cry QQ More.
Its all games and Android Java apps are Blazing fast.
And yes more cores is better.
Android is a well done multi-core architecture. Its SDK make you use multi core features.
So we need all the cores we can have. Even GB or Froyo can take advantage of a 4 core processor.
Just a quick fact.. my galaxy note right now has... 173 process running.... so.. I guess that multi core isnt bad at all kids.
Hi, guys. I am interested in N10,but I am very curious about performance of N10. I know Samsung use an dual core based at ARM15, but its screen has a high resolution 2560x1400. Is its dual core really capable of such a high resolution? How about the performance of multiple tasking? Any lag? My current cellphone is Galaxy Note 2 that has a quad core chip, but it is not as fast as what I thought until I flash 4.4.2 ROM. Tell me your experience of using N10. Your comment would really help me make a good decision. By the way, the main purpose is to internet bowersing and watch movies which store on portable HDD. Thanks
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I have been running the Nexus 10 since it came out. No complaints here. I watch allot of Youtube video, news and sports videos, etc. Even runs better when I tether it off my 4G. Been testing latest 4.4.3 Roms available here at XDA. Not much difference over 4.4.2, runs good with either.
Good luck.
The cpu doesnt primarily drive the screen so it handles the big resolution screen very well. With browsing and watching movies its just fast. This thing is a beast when it comes to gaming because it has a kick ass gpu..
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Hi, guys. I am interested in N10,but I am very curious about performance of N10. I know Samsung use an dual core based at ARM15, but its screen has a high resolution 2560x1400. Is its dual core really capable of such a high resolution? How about the performance of multiple tasking? Any lag? My current cellphone is Galaxy Note 2 that has a quad core chip, but it is not as fast as what I thought until I flash 4.4.2 ROM. Tell me your experience of using N10. Your comment would really help me make a good decision. By the way, the main purpose is to internet bowersing and watch movies which store on portable HDD. Thanks
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I agree with the two posts above mine. I've had this tablet for a few months, and never once has it felt slow or sluggish with anything I've thrown at it. This ain't your typical dual core. It's on par with my Nexus 5 and Nexus 7 (2013).
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The cpu doesnt primarily drive the screen so it handles the big resolution screen very well. With browsing and watching movies its just fast. This thing is a beast when it comes to gaming because it has a kick ass gpu..
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Great!
Hi,
Not only what the guys said above, to power the screen resolution, the GPU has 1GB allocated to it since 4.3 if I'm not wrong. So it's quite capable, just be careful when using many apps, the RAM is limited to only 1GB due to it. Even though I'm able to play many games and watch full HD videos with ease and comfort .
~Lord
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As usual, the correct answer would be: "It depends!"
The Nexus 10 is the best Samsung could do at the time it came out.
Somehow both Google and Samsung felt compelled at the time to deliver something that would beat Apple at least on paper.
Truth is, it's a somewhat unbalanced device by today's standards.
A typical competitor today would probably have a Qualcom Snapdragon 800 or better and you'd notice the difference!
Generally CPU performance is still quite ok: More than 2 cores rarely make sense and these ARM 15 cores tend to have enough oomph for the sort of things you'd run on a tablet CPU. And the Exynos seems to be a close match to the Snapdragon, core by core.
So there, for all practical purposes, it won't feel much slower than a modern devices.
But the GPU can't quite deal with the resolution and even if it could, DRAM bandwidth would be the next barrier. So when you look for 3D game performance, the Nexus 10 can't quite keep up with what is out there these days.
Depending on your benchmark it may feel like a dog, but good games tailer themselves to what's available and even some 3D ones are actually ok.
Mine's most used for reading books, surfing, perhaps even some video, I'm also doing some writing (with BT keyboard/mouse) on it and that's all more than ok, especially when you want to flip forth and back between lots of web-sites and programs.
I'd say when you can get the Nexus 10 for cheap it's still pretty good, when you're ready to pay prime dollar, you'll find better even from Samsung.
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As usual, the correct answer would be: "It depends!"
The Nexus 10 is the best Samsung could do at the time it came out.
Somehow both Google and Samsung felt compelled at the time to deliver something that would beat Apple at least on paper.
Truth is, it's a somewhat unbalanced device by today's standards.
A typical competitor today would probably have a Qualcom Snapdragon 800 or better and you'd notice the difference!
Generally CPU performance is still quite ok: More than 2 cores rarely make sense and these ARM 15 cores tend to have enough oomph for the sort of things you'd run on a tablet CPU. And the Exynos seems to be a close match to the Snapdragon, core by core.
So there, for all practical purposes, it won't feel much slower than a modern devices.
But the GPU can't quite deal with the resolution and even if it could, DRAM bandwidth would be the next barrier. So when you look for 3D game performance, the Nexus 10 can't quite keep up with what is out there these days.
Depending on your benchmark it may feel like a dog, but good games tailer themselves to what's available and even some 3D ones are actually ok.
Mine's most used for reading books, surfing, perhaps even some video, I'm also doing some writing (with BT keyboard/mouse) on it and that's all more than ok, especially when you want to flip forth and back between lots of web-sites and programs.
I'd say when you can get the Nexus 10 for cheap it's still pretty good, when you're ready to pay prime dollar, you'll find better even from Samsung.
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I'd say this is a pretty fair assessment. GPU struggles with some modern apps such as Google maps, and even now Chrome isn't the best. I still use browser because its much smoother, and I also use the 'performance' CPU governor which locks the tablet to 1.7ghz and really helps responsiveness.
That being said, its still a really really nice tablet generally. If you're getting it for a good price you should be happy enough. I still love using mine nearly 2 years after buying it, and I'm comparing it to my snap 800 powered XZU. Its still a really nice screen, really nice design. Quick enough and battery life is not too bad these days either! (6 hours SOT easy with brightness at 35℅)
http://m.androidcentral.com/nvidia-announces-shield-tablet-k1-refreshed-model-new-low-price
Smart move I guess. Throw it in a different box and pretend it's new. Sounds like an htc stunt. This makes sense though, considering the battery issue with this model.
http://m.androidcentral.com/nvidia-...pdate-shield-tablet-k1-original-shield-tablet
But as of now we are confirmed for marshmallow probably after the holidays, which is all I really care about. I gotta have that marshmallow!
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Its technically still one of the best android tablets for CPU and GPU. I would of loved to have seen it with the Tegra X1 but with the tablet market not really strong, even apple is having issues with the market, I can understand not updating it.
It's truly seems to be one of the best performing tablets at this price point, i'am very interested in it vs Nexus 9, what would be your opinion? Only thing i'am concerned in is screen ratio, how good it is for e-book reading? And is there enough estate for general browsing? I own some pretty crappy Chinese 10" Onda tablet and looking for an upgrade. Though i don't know if i would use Shields gaming environment to the max.
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It's truly seems to be one of the best performing tablets at this price point, i'am very interested in it vs Nexus 9, what would be your opinion? Only thing i'am concerned in is screen ratio, how good it is for e-book reading? And is there enough estate for general browsing? I own some pretty crappy Chinese 10" Onda tablet and looking for an upgrade. Though i don't know if i would use Shields gaming environment to the max.
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As long as you know how to change the system DPI to 240 then its great, I personally hate the stock DPI that they put on it, with the stock DPI it literally just feels like an enlarged phone. But as soon as you change it to 240 then its great.
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It's truly seems to be one of the best performing tablets at this price point, i'am very interested in it vs Nexus 9, what would be your opinion? Only thing i'am concerned in is screen ratio, how good it is for e-book reading? And is there enough estate for general browsing? I own some pretty crappy Chinese 10" Onda tablet and looking for an upgrade. Though i don't know if i would use Shields gaming environment to the max.
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I use mine for reading books, specifically pdf books of networking materials, and it works really well for that. The screen is amazing for comics. The tablet is a gaming beast and not much can touch its gpu capabilities. Admittedly, I don't do much gaming but I did do a playthrough of ff9 with ePSXe without a HITCH. It's without a doubt a gaming beast when it comes to android devices.
A small comparison lists of the things that are different between Nexus 9 and Shield Tablet:
Nexus 9 vs Shield Tablet
Screen
Nexus: 8.9in, 2048x1536
Shield Tablet: 8in, 1920x1200
Expandable storage
Nexus: None
Shield Tablet: up to 128gb microsd card
Cpu:
Nexus: 64 bit
Shield tablet: 32 bit
GPU:
Same
Ram:
Same
Speakers:
Shield tablet wins hands down
Android updates:
Nexus still has at least 2 more years of android updates
Shield Tablet is getting marshmallow for sure but the next one after is more than likely but not guaranteed.
Fair warning though:
The custom roms on this device have audio issues that happen randomly and it can be annoying. I haven't found a rom that don't have this issue, some are worst than others. There hasn't been a solution to it either from what I've seen.
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The nexus 9 has a better resolution, 2048x1536 vs the 1920x1200 on the shield. The CPUs are a 64bit 2.3Ghz dual core on the N9 and a 32bit 2.2 Quad on the ST. I haven't used an N9 so I can't really add anymore than that.
The shield has an SD card slot, front facing speakers, and wide screen. I read ebooks all the time on the shield and think it's perfect for that. The nexus might get slightly better battery life, but not much more. I was deciding between the two and picked the shield because with the thinner screen I can type very well with my thumbs. My 10.1 tablet is just too big to type on. I imagine with the wider screen the nexus would have that same problem. I would buy the shield for 300 bucks right now if I didn't own one so at 200 it's a steal.
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And what about x32 vs x64 on Nexus, though dual core? What is the future of it? Is it possible that at some point after a year Nexus will have better performance because of x64?
Probably when all tablet and smartphone are x64...they, maybe, developera start to create app that take advantage of x64 CPU...
But there is the possibility that they start to use gpgpu even on smartphone and this is an advantage for tegra hardware
Nobody knows...
Yeah it's hard to say. But at 200 bucks the shield blows away anything in its price range. And I much prefer the wide screen and front facing speakers. I spent a lot of time debating the nexus and the shield in my head and I just didn't want a 4:3 and I really wanted an SD card slot.
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And what about x32 vs x64 on Nexus, though dual core? What is the future of it? Is it possible that at some point after a year Nexus will have better performance because of x64?
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They're equal for multicore performance but the single core performance is much stronger with the 64bit variant. In everyday use, you won't notice it.
nbollinger said:
They're equal for multicore performance but the single core performance is much stronger with the 64bit variant. In everyday use, you won't notice it.
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Thats the thing, most of the users of this tablet use it for gaming. Its a shame the new tablet doesn't have 64bit, but at least it is worth the price.
According to this benchmarks seems like if i would not care about Shield PC streaming or exclusive game in pure performance Nexus is doing better? As i see single core almost 2x better and this would be utilized most in applications not optimized for multi-core? And multi-core is around the same level...
But maybe Marshmallow on Shield could bring another results.
I wait for Shield Tablet 2
Had both, but sold the N9 some weeks ago. My problem with it was, i play a lot WOT Blitz and on the Nexus with max graphics the fps drops from 60 to between 50 and 35 after some minutes of gaming. But the Shield Tab stays most of the time on 60fps and if it drops its still between 50-60 fps and this with maxed out Graphics!
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Had both, but sold the N9 some weeks ago. My problem with it was, i play a lot WOT Blitz and on the Nexus with max graphics the fps drops from 60 to between 50 and 35 after some minutes of gaming. But the Shield Tab stays most of the time on 60fps and if it drops its still between 50-60 fps and this with maxed out Graphics!
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That's pretty interesting, nexus and shield tablet have the same gpu.
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That's pretty interesting, nexus and shield tablet have the same gpu.
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Nexus 9 put more pressure on GPU with higher screen resolution and use a dual core CPU
Anyone who has the K1 can you answer some questions for me?
Does your bottom speaker move? i noticed earlier that I can make it click by pressing on it lightly :S also is there only 1 speaker behind each grill? the speaker on the top I can feel the vibration of how loud it is but the bottom one I can't.
Think it's faulty but that's why i'm asking.
faulty
I have a Fire 10 HD tablet I bought last year on Black Friday fot $99 US while I was in the US. I rooted it and run it like a normal android tablet. But it's very laggy and I'm a bit tired of it because of that.
I'm checking out the Black Friday deals here in Canada right now and I'm looking at the A 10.1 (2016) (SM-T580) and the A 10.5 (2018) (SM-T590).
The 2016 one is priced at $250 CAN right now and the 2018 one at $330 CAN ($100 off regular price).
Specs look quite similar save for a few difference so I'm wondering if the additional GB of ram (3GB vs 2GB) of the 2018 version and the 32 GB vs 16GB is worthy of the $80 price difference. I feel 16GB is really low by 2018 standards...
Also the USB-C is a plus compared to the older micro-USB.
The 2018 has 2 speakers on each side too, compared to 2 on just one side for the 2016.
The absence of the physical button can also be a plus for me.
I know the 2016 can be rooted and I assume the 2018 will be too at some point?
The 2018 should get Pie I assume too, while not for the 2016, knowing how Samsung works usually...
What do you guys think?
Thanks.
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I have a Fire 10 HD tablet I bought last year on Black Friday fot $99 US while I was in the US. I rooted it and run it like a normal android tablet. But it's very laggy and I'm a bit tired of it because of that.
I'm checking out the Black Friday deals here in Canada right now and I'm looking at the A 10.1 (2016) (SM-T580) and the A 10.5 (2018) (SM-T590).
The 2016 one is priced at $250 CAN right now and the 2018 one at $330 CAN ($100 off regular price).
Specs look quite similar save for a few difference so I'm wondering if the additional GB of ram (3GB vs 2GB) of the 2018 version and the 32 GB vs 16GB is worthy of the $80 price difference. I feel 16GB is really low by 2018 standards...
Also the USB-C is a plus compared to the older micro-USB.
The 2018 has 2 speakers on each side too, compared to 2 on just one side for the 2016.
The absence of the physical button can also be a plus for me.
I know the 2016 can be rooted and I assume the 2018 will be too at some point?
The 2018 should get Pie I assume too, while not for the 2016, knowing how Samsung works usually...
What do you guys think?
Thanks.
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16 Gb storage is very limited
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16 Gb storage is very limited
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I agree...
Ever hear of 128/256GB microsd? Makes 16GB plenty to hold apps when everything else is on extsd!
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Ever hear of 128/256GB microsd? Makes 16GB plenty to hold apps when everything else is on extsd!
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What do you think?? Of course I know about microSD! But I don't think a tablet that is almost full in its internal memory runs as smooth as one with plenty of space...
Touche.. not like the nand chips add but $5 per unit.
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What do you think?? Of course I know about microSD! But I don't think a tablet that is almost full in its internal memory runs as smooth as one with plenty of space...
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It depends on what you are running. The only way you run low on internal memory on the 2016 is if you are running extreme usage games. And you certainly weren't doing that on your Fire. I've never come close to having a memory problems on mine even while streaming Nascar virtual reality Raceview and casting it to a 40" monitor. BTW, you can buy a 2016 used but in good condition on eBay for about $140.
edit: As far as Pie goes, you may never get it from Samsung on the 2016, but I'm running it right now on mine using Liniage 16.
I saw the s pen 10.1 2016 on amazon yesterday $209 shipped! Bought mine 5 weeks ago $279 shipped.
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16gb is not enough samsung bloatware will eat a good chunk of that. 32gb gives headroom.
My concern is the 2016 model may actually have more cpu grunt than the 2018.
the 2016 had a leftover premier chip from the tab pro i think and the 2018 has a snapdragon 400 series.
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Any way
I reckon the 2018 is better for a few reasons.
-The quad speakers sound great.
-The buttons are now software not those annoying touch buttons ive hit while in landscape mode.
-The UI seems very smooth had a jam on a kiosk model and went nuts in chrome internet browsing is flawless, for now.
-It also cliams great battery life and snapdragon 400 chip do deliver very well in this aspect.
-More ram and storage gives a bit of future proofing too.
I am buying a 2018 model.
Dont know when but i will unless something amazing appears in its price range but then I doubt it the tablet market seems to be dead when it could amazing.
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16gb is not enough samsung bloatware will eat a good chunk of that. 32gb gives headroom.
My concern is the 2016 model may actually have more cpu grunt than the 2018.
the 2016 had a leftover premier chip from the tab pro i think and the 2018 has a snapdragon 400 series.
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I reckon the 2018 is better for a few reasons.
-The quad speakers sound great.
-The buttons are now software not those annoying touch buttons ive hit while in landscape mode.
-The UI seems very smooth had a jam on a kiosk model and went nuts in chrome internet browsing is flawless, for now.
-It also cliams great battery life and snapdragon 400 chip do deliver very well in this aspect.
-More ram and storage gives a bit of future proofing too.
I am buying a 2018 model.
Dont know when but i will unless something amazing appears in its price range but then I doubt it the tablet market seems to be dead when it could amazing.
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UI is the same on both, as 2016 has 8.1, if you get S Pen model you have 3GB RAM and 32GB storage. Onscreen buttons suck as to unlock tablet you have to reach that stupid spot on the side which is really inconvenient, also CPU is less powerful I believe on the newer model. I think 2016 is better than 18. I wanted one but I ended up staying with 2016, I only miss USB C but other than that it's still really capable multimedia device
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I don't allow the bloat crap on my S3, S5, or tab 10.1 2016. So I only have 1500MB roms. Battery life on my tab being only 6 weeks old is charge once per week. Yes the capacitive buttons get bumped all the time.. working on systemless xposed to solve that. However, Sammy didn't put backlights in them nor a led up top so in low light the locations are tricky and screen off charging or dying doesn't tell me squat. Haven't figured out charge time yet. S pen does use a smidge more battery but I only bought the SM-P580 to get s pen.
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UI is the same on both, as 2016 has 8.1, if you get S Pen model you have 3GB RAM and 32GB storage. Onscreen buttons suck as to unlock tablet you have to reach that stupid spot on the side which is really inconvenient, also CPU is less powerful I believe on the newer model. I think 2016 is better than 18. I wanted one but I ended up staying with 2016, I only miss USB C but other than that it's still really capable multimedia device
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I finally bought the 2018 yesterday.
Onscreen controls (physical button sucks IMO) , quad speakers, USB-C, the fact the tablet comes with Oreo (which means it should also get Pie next year), the 3GB of ram and 32 GB of rom were the main reasons.
Better GPU and better processor too.
So far, I enjoy it!
BTW, you can tap twice on the screen to wake up the tablet, no need to reach for the side button...
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I finally bought the 2018 yesterday.
Onscreen controls (physical button sucksIMO) , quad speakers, USB-C, the fact the tablet comes with Oreo (which means it should also get Pie next year), the 3GB of ram and 32 GB of rom were the main reasons.
Better GPU and better processor too.
So far, I enjoy it!
BTW, you can tap twice on the screen to wake up the tablet, no need to reach for the side button...
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Aw come on!! You were just looking for an excuse to spend more money on the L&G all along.
TWRP for Tab A 10.5
I also recently purchased the Tab A 10.5 inch tablet to replace a Tab 4 10.1 tablet that was getting very laggy. I would like to install TWRP custom recovery on the new tablet ( in preparation for rooting with SuperSU) but I have searched the web in vain for the correct version of TWRP to install. Any help in this regard would be appreciated.
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I also recently purchased the Tab A 10.5 inch tablet to replace a Tab 4 10.1 tablet that was getting very laggy. I would like to install TWRP custom recovery on the new tablet ( in preparation for rooting with SuperSU) but I have searched the web in vain for the correct version of TWRP to install. Any help in this regard would be appreciated.
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how different is it from the Tab A 8"? (SMT380)
I am going to redo the tab a (t380) guide in a couple days, we worked out the 7 day OEM unlock and how to disable that already, was the last piece of the puzzle i needed really to write a definitive guide on how to root it, reenable OEM unlock afterwards and reboot the device in the same day, and if things go wrong, reroot the very same day again as well (rather than waiting).
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga.../twrp-3-2-1-1-tab-sm-t380-10-02-2018-t3747564 << Tab a 8" a similar beast, should be very similar.
might want to forget SuperSU and consider Magisk (also made by John Wu), SuperSU is no longer maintained and Magisk is.
rooting the tab A used to be a 14 day process from start to 7 days later to root and 7 days after to reboot again.. until yesterday anyways.. it can be done at whim now, all in one day multiple times if you wish.
My Tab A is an SM-T590 if this is any help.
dhalfpenny said:
My Tab A is an SM-T590 if this is any help.
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ahhh, oreo..
i know nothing about oreo myself.
everyone i talk to that has it and has tried rooting it is unhappy..
it's a good time to wait and watch.
mordantly said:
Ever hear of 128/256GB microsd? Makes 16GB plenty to hold apps when everything else is on extsd!
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I owned a tablet with 16GB storage, and even after installing the least amount of apps I need and after disabling Samsung bloatware, I was left only with less than 3GB of free space. That's terrible. For one, if you have less than 15-20% of storage free, your filesystem operations are far far from being efficient. That's because the OS now needs to spend a considerable amount of time on finding more chunks of free space to write on. The second issue is what if you DO install an app or game that takes a lot more storage? One day I pulled a game that took something like 2GB of storage. I almost run out of free space.
The point is, 16GB is NOT enough. It's NOT ENOUGH unless you're willing to spend hours of your time wondering what can you possibly delete to make tablet run. Life is too short for that. I would not recommend anyone get a phone or a tablet with only 16GB of storage. 32GB should be the new "low".
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also CPU is less powerful I believe on the newer model. I think 2016 is better than 18.
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Let's clear some air about CPUs. The 2016 Tab A 10.1 came with Samsung Exynos 7870 system on a chip, which was built on 14nm process and had eight ARM A53 cores running at speeds up to 1.6GHz. The 2018 Tab A 10.5 comes with Snapdragon 450 SoC that comes with eight A53 cores (again!) built on 14nm process (again!) and running up 1.8GHz clock frequency. So there should be barely no difference in real life CPU performance between 2016 and 2018 models (why? this is stupid)
The A53 core is basically 2013-2014 design that started to appear in 2015 devices. The A53 core was truly mediocre in 2015 because the SoCs were build on 28nm process and were barely adequate. In 2016, some SoCs appeared that used more energy efficient 14nm process which allowed A53 cores to run at higher clock speeds while saving battery life. This was interesting. This remained interesting in 2017 too. But to introduce a new tablet in the late part of 2018 using the 2014-15 model A53 CPU.. and knowing that this tablet will not be updated for at least a couple more years, as we have seen with previous Tab A models, is truly pathetic.
In the US, the 2018 Tab A is list price of 320USD, which is basically the price of 2018 Apple iPad which has a CPU that will slaughter that Tab A and will be updated for 5-6 years, as we have observed in the past. Considering that Samsung is giving us a 2015-model CPU in this tablet, it has no right to be priced at 300+ bucks. The new Tab A only has the right to be priced as a bottom of barrel tablet like Amazon Fire, 150 dollars, or 200 tops. The 300+ price for this is ludicrous.
And let me guess, this tablet will not play Netflix in HD resolution. Right?
You need to remove not disable it. My roms.... G900P is 2GB RAM 1.5GB ROM. Leaves me 12.5GB. My P580 is 3GB RAM 1.2GB ROM. Leaves me 12.8GB. /system is only 3GB on BOTH Samsungs. No way you have 13GB total out of the box. Stop *****ing and put a $35 class uhs1 125GB sdcard in it!
I just got the Tab A 2016 LTE yesterday (SM-T585, running Nougat with July security patches) and had it rooted, TWRP put on it and running a custom Oreo rom in less than 24 hours :laugh:
It has 32 GB internal storage so that should last me a while ... I'm super happy with it, esp. considering that I only paid €125 incl. shipping for it - like new, it was part of a contract and returned to my provider because the customer didn't like the color or some other silly reason.
My old Lenovo Tablet was running on 4.2.2 with absolutely 0 updates in the 4-5 years that I had it and only had a quadcore with 16 GB internal storage and 1 GB ram. Not to mention that it didn't have ANY custom roms, TWRP etc.
OK, I'm rambling - my point is that you can still get the 2016 model if you look around for a good deal. It's a great tablet, easy to root + mod and a good deal cheaper than the 2018 model :good:
On TobyDeals, there is a 30% difference in price between the 2Gb/32Gb version and the 3Gb/128Gb. I presume 2GB is insufficient for today's software, which may explain why the offer is so cheap.
Has anyone successfully used the T510 with 2GB RAM ? Does it move at any spead ? Or, does it just spend time swapping from memory when switching between apps ?
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On TobyDeals, there is a 30% difference in price between the 2Gb/32Gb version and the 3Gb/128Gb. I presume 2GB is insufficient for today's software, which may explain why the offer is so cheap.
Has anyone successfully used the T510 with 2GB RAM ? Does it move at any spead ? Or, does it just spend time swapping from memory when switching between apps ?
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Just look at the number of people in this forum still using the T580. It is much slower than the T510 and yet it must satisfy the needs of a lot of people. I was quite happy with mine for years. I now have a T510 with 2gb and a T720 with 4gb. I pretty much use them interchangebly and don't notice much difference. But, then again, I don't use a tablet as a "computer". I have 3 desktop computers at home and only use tablets when I'm "on the go". IMHO, this push for more and more RAM is highly overrated.
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still using the T580. It is much slower than the T510 and yet it must satisfy the needs of a lot of people.
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I get your point. My current tablet is even older than the T580, being an S2 SM-T810 first launched 2015. I'm still using it, and it has 3Gb RAM. It's my main connection to the online world, but it's slowly giving up the ghost. Hence my interest in current alternatives.
Generally, I agree that the pursuit of "bigger, better, faster" is approaching a plateau in Android. But 2Gb RAM is not there yet. My concern about RAM comes from professional life as a Java programmer. A decade ago, I was able to run my webserver application in 1.5Gb Ram. Now it runs out of memory at 1.5, even before coming up. It hardly moves at 2Gb. It comes into its own at 3Gb, but works better with 4Gb. In Java, the objects have gotten bigger in 64-bit devices. Overheads (the preambles of each object) have also become bigger. Same thing in JavaScript which runs inside the browsers. As I'm writing this on my desktop, Google Chrome takes up 1Gb, without any other windows open. I know it can easily go up to 2.5Gb - just a browser.
As is the case so often, software uses up all resources available. For an analogy, I'm reminded of Microsoft Word which was running 25 years ago at exactly the same speed as it does now - admittedly, with fewer features, but those extras are seldom used now.
BTW, the specs on Gsm Arena show that the version of T580 which have an S-Pen do get 3Gb ram. This doesn't say much, because people who bought the T580 as a low-cost option most likely didn't buy it with an S-Pen
https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_tab_a_10_1_(2016)-8090.php
You pretty much made my point. As I said, I don't use my tablets as computers and most people don't either. If you are using yours as a professional developer, you should be able to afford a higher end tablet than a T510. The T510 is the "budget" tablet in Samsung's line. You can get a T720 with 6gb.
I'm not developing on Android. The webserver I mentioned runs on Linux, and occasionally on Windows 10 when I'm debugging. That's how I know about the increased memory requirements, and I have good reason to extrapolate this to Android.
Before the lockdown, I spent most of my free time at home with the tablet, trying to relax away from work. Facebook, browsing. So the tasks are light, but at 69 I'm sensitive about ergonomics. Eyes, fingers, palms. The triangular tablet-pillow allows me to hold the tablet more easily. So instead of the 380 grams of my Tab S2, I could go with the slighly heavier current tablets from Samsung.
Yup. I use T-510 with 2GB RAM and 32 GB storage and expanded it with micro SD. Even though it is not silky smooth, it is not frustrating. Apps might take a second or two to load but I mostly read books or watch movies. So, that lag does not make a difference for me.
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On TobyDeals, there is a 30% difference in price between the 2Gb/32Gb version and the 3Gb/128Gb. I presume 2GB is insufficient for today's software, which may explain why the offer is so cheap.
Has anyone successfully used the T510 with 2GB RAM ? Does it move at any spead ? Or, does it just spend time swapping from memory when switching between apps ?
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I just bought the 3gb/128gb model today from costco for $220, they had $80 off the original price. I can honestly say that so far it's been a smooth experience but I've only played with it for about 30 minutes. I got on xda to look for lineage os support, I already want to get it as vanilla as possible
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I just bought the 3gb/128gb model today from costco for $220, they had $80 off the original price. I can honestly say that so far it's been a smooth experience but I've only played with it for about 30 minutes. I got on xda to look for lineage os support, I already want to get it as vanilla as possible
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Mind saying which Costco you got this? I'm northern CA it's $299. I've been waiting for it to go on sale again but so far it hasn't.
jserio said:
Mind saying which Costco you got this? I'm northern CA it's $299. I've been waiting for it to go on sale again but so far it hasn't.
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I'm in SoCal, found it at the Costco in Norwalk, CA but I also went online and the Costco website had the $80 off deal as well, its not live anymore though.