http://m.androidcentral.com/nvidia-announces-shield-tablet-k1-refreshed-model-new-low-price
Smart move I guess. Throw it in a different box and pretend it's new. Sounds like an htc stunt. This makes sense though, considering the battery issue with this model.
http://m.androidcentral.com/nvidia-...pdate-shield-tablet-k1-original-shield-tablet
But as of now we are confirmed for marshmallow probably after the holidays, which is all I really care about. I gotta have that marshmallow!
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Its technically still one of the best android tablets for CPU and GPU. I would of loved to have seen it with the Tegra X1 but with the tablet market not really strong, even apple is having issues with the market, I can understand not updating it.
It's truly seems to be one of the best performing tablets at this price point, i'am very interested in it vs Nexus 9, what would be your opinion? Only thing i'am concerned in is screen ratio, how good it is for e-book reading? And is there enough estate for general browsing? I own some pretty crappy Chinese 10" Onda tablet and looking for an upgrade. Though i don't know if i would use Shields gaming environment to the max.
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It's truly seems to be one of the best performing tablets at this price point, i'am very interested in it vs Nexus 9, what would be your opinion? Only thing i'am concerned in is screen ratio, how good it is for e-book reading? And is there enough estate for general browsing? I own some pretty crappy Chinese 10" Onda tablet and looking for an upgrade. Though i don't know if i would use Shields gaming environment to the max.
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As long as you know how to change the system DPI to 240 then its great, I personally hate the stock DPI that they put on it, with the stock DPI it literally just feels like an enlarged phone. But as soon as you change it to 240 then its great.
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It's truly seems to be one of the best performing tablets at this price point, i'am very interested in it vs Nexus 9, what would be your opinion? Only thing i'am concerned in is screen ratio, how good it is for e-book reading? And is there enough estate for general browsing? I own some pretty crappy Chinese 10" Onda tablet and looking for an upgrade. Though i don't know if i would use Shields gaming environment to the max.
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I use mine for reading books, specifically pdf books of networking materials, and it works really well for that. The screen is amazing for comics. The tablet is a gaming beast and not much can touch its gpu capabilities. Admittedly, I don't do much gaming but I did do a playthrough of ff9 with ePSXe without a HITCH. It's without a doubt a gaming beast when it comes to android devices.
A small comparison lists of the things that are different between Nexus 9 and Shield Tablet:
Nexus 9 vs Shield Tablet
Screen
Nexus: 8.9in, 2048x1536
Shield Tablet: 8in, 1920x1200
Expandable storage
Nexus: None
Shield Tablet: up to 128gb microsd card
Cpu:
Nexus: 64 bit
Shield tablet: 32 bit
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Same
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Same
Speakers:
Shield tablet wins hands down
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Nexus still has at least 2 more years of android updates
Shield Tablet is getting marshmallow for sure but the next one after is more than likely but not guaranteed.
Fair warning though:
The custom roms on this device have audio issues that happen randomly and it can be annoying. I haven't found a rom that don't have this issue, some are worst than others. There hasn't been a solution to it either from what I've seen.
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The nexus 9 has a better resolution, 2048x1536 vs the 1920x1200 on the shield. The CPUs are a 64bit 2.3Ghz dual core on the N9 and a 32bit 2.2 Quad on the ST. I haven't used an N9 so I can't really add anymore than that.
The shield has an SD card slot, front facing speakers, and wide screen. I read ebooks all the time on the shield and think it's perfect for that. The nexus might get slightly better battery life, but not much more. I was deciding between the two and picked the shield because with the thinner screen I can type very well with my thumbs. My 10.1 tablet is just too big to type on. I imagine with the wider screen the nexus would have that same problem. I would buy the shield for 300 bucks right now if I didn't own one so at 200 it's a steal.
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And what about x32 vs x64 on Nexus, though dual core? What is the future of it? Is it possible that at some point after a year Nexus will have better performance because of x64?
Probably when all tablet and smartphone are x64...they, maybe, developera start to create app that take advantage of x64 CPU...
But there is the possibility that they start to use gpgpu even on smartphone and this is an advantage for tegra hardware
Nobody knows...
Yeah it's hard to say. But at 200 bucks the shield blows away anything in its price range. And I much prefer the wide screen and front facing speakers. I spent a lot of time debating the nexus and the shield in my head and I just didn't want a 4:3 and I really wanted an SD card slot.
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And what about x32 vs x64 on Nexus, though dual core? What is the future of it? Is it possible that at some point after a year Nexus will have better performance because of x64?
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They're equal for multicore performance but the single core performance is much stronger with the 64bit variant. In everyday use, you won't notice it.
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They're equal for multicore performance but the single core performance is much stronger with the 64bit variant. In everyday use, you won't notice it.
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Thats the thing, most of the users of this tablet use it for gaming. Its a shame the new tablet doesn't have 64bit, but at least it is worth the price.
According to this benchmarks seems like if i would not care about Shield PC streaming or exclusive game in pure performance Nexus is doing better? As i see single core almost 2x better and this would be utilized most in applications not optimized for multi-core? And multi-core is around the same level...
But maybe Marshmallow on Shield could bring another results.
I wait for Shield Tablet 2
Had both, but sold the N9 some weeks ago. My problem with it was, i play a lot WOT Blitz and on the Nexus with max graphics the fps drops from 60 to between 50 and 35 after some minutes of gaming. But the Shield Tab stays most of the time on 60fps and if it drops its still between 50-60 fps and this with maxed out Graphics!
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Had both, but sold the N9 some weeks ago. My problem with it was, i play a lot WOT Blitz and on the Nexus with max graphics the fps drops from 60 to between 50 and 35 after some minutes of gaming. But the Shield Tab stays most of the time on 60fps and if it drops its still between 50-60 fps and this with maxed out Graphics!
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That's pretty interesting, nexus and shield tablet have the same gpu.
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That's pretty interesting, nexus and shield tablet have the same gpu.
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Nexus 9 put more pressure on GPU with higher screen resolution and use a dual core CPU
Anyone who has the K1 can you answer some questions for me?
Does your bottom speaker move? i noticed earlier that I can make it click by pressing on it lightly :S also is there only 1 speaker behind each grill? the speaker on the top I can feel the vibration of how loud it is but the bottom one I can't.
Think it's faulty but that's why i'm asking.
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But delayed for a good reason,
they exchange the original foreseen dual core soc for a quad core.
Yammy.
Good move for samsung but would the 2 additional cores really give that much of a performance boost since 99% of the apps are single threaded.
Also I wonder whats up with the 11.6, it seems to have gone so silent!
Another good reason would be to exchange the screen for an 1080p AMOLED!
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Good move for samsung but would the 2 additional cores really give that much of a performance boost since 99% of the apps are single threaded.
Also I wonder whats up with the 11.6, it seems to have gone so silent!
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If they give you a quad core for the same price as a dual core with better performance and better battery life, then why not.
I think they are doing this to make it more competitive in comparison to the new iPad. By giving it a quad core, the average person thinks it would be better than the new iPad since many people have a "4 cores are better than 2" mentality from a marketing standpoint. If they also have data numbers to back that up, such as better benchmark scores, etc, then that would help. It would still be a challenge to convince the average person, however, that Android on a 10.1 Note is a better experience than iOS on an iPad however, but if they can show the advantages of the S-Pen, better performance for gaming, and other such things, they might be able to get a better foothold on the tablet market.
Apple definitely has a dominance in the tablet market, but in a few years time, Android tablets will start to significantly eat at this lead just like it did with the smartphone market. By offering choices and differentiation from the iPad, and in the case of the Note: S-Pen functionality and the better quad core CPU, and with better pricing than an iPad, then I think we can see the Note tab doing well.
The Note 10.1 is great all around, the only two places it lacks (in my opinion) is the low screen resolution and the 16:10 aspect ratio of the screen. I will never buy a tablet around the 8-10 inch size that isn't 4:3 in screen ratio. If Sammy came out with another edition that fixes both issues I would seriously consider picking one up.
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Another good reason would be to exchange the screen for an 1080p AMOLED!
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With the current quality control on superamoled, that is a nightmare for a lot of users including me. Im pretty ok with the pls screen after using my friend's tab for a day.
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If they give you a quad core for the same price as a dual core with better performance and better battery life, then why not.
I think they are doing this to make it more competitive in comparison to the new iPad. By giving it a quad core, the average person thinks it would be better than the new iPad since many people have a "4 cores are better than 2" mentality from a marketing standpoint. If they also have data numbers to back that up, such as better benchmark scores, etc, then that would help. It would still be a challenge to convince the average person, however, that Android on a 10.1 Note is a better experience than iOS on an iPad however, but if they can show the advantages of the S-Pen, better performance for gaming, and other such things, they might be able to get a better foothold on the tablet market.
Apple definitely has a dominance in the tablet market, but in a few years time, Android tablets will start to significantly eat at this lead just like it did with the smartphone market. By offering choices and differentiation from the iPad, and in the case of the Note: S-Pen functionality and the better quad core CPU, and with better pricing than an iPad, then I think we can see the Note tab doing well.
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No issues with the price, i wonder if they will also go with a quad gpu.
Ios tablets apps are a bettet experince compared to andriod apps, used a friends ipad2 for a week and found all of its apps significantly better compared to andriod, imho.
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The Note 10.1 is great all around, the only two places it lacks (in my opinion) is the low screen resolution and the 16:10 aspect ratio of the screen. I will never buy a tablet around the 8-10 inch size that isn't 4:3 in screen ratio. If Sammy came out with another edition that fixes both issues I would seriously consider picking one up.
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+1 on aspect ratio.
I still using my tablet 4:3 1440x1050 because of the aspect ratio.
If I cant get 1920x1200 I dont want then 16:10 in a tiny tablet.
I like 16:10. Its perfect for reading and browsing the web. But i only will upgrade my 10.1 tab if the resolution doubles to 2560*1440
For a tablet with a Pen which will be mostly used in portrait mode to scribble on or for playing board games like chess, 4:3 aspect ratio is much more suitable but not much so for watching movies, so each has its own cons and pros,it comes down to what suits ones need more.
EarlZ said:
Good move for samsung but would the 2 additional cores really give that much of a performance boost since 99% of the apps are single threaded.
Also I wonder whats up with the 11.6, it seems to have gone so silent!
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ICS UI runs on a separate thread (read: core) wherever possible where as GB chops it about - hence the lag. As soon as games on ICS start utilising the extra cores, 4 will be better than 2!
To be honest, its only likely to be intensive apps that you'd notice any difference - and that probably means gaming. If, like me you use your tablet for Web browsing, watching videos and only occasionally for games 2 cores is plenty. Having said that, everyone wants new tech for speed and product lifetime.
friedje said:
But delayed for a good reason,
they exchange the original foreseen dual core soc for a quad core.
Yammy.
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Do we really need the 2 extra core?
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Do we really need the 2 extra core?
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No,but this beeing my first Android phone,not counting my HD2,and from what I have seen I would rather go for a two highly clocked and simultaneously running cores,and a big sized battery.
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ICS UI runs on a separate thread (read: core) wherever possible where as GB chops it about - hence the lag. As soon as games on ICS start utilising the extra cores, 4 will be better than 2!
To be honest, its only likely to be intensive apps that you'd notice any difference - and that probably means gaming. If, like me you use your tablet for Web browsing, watching videos and only occasionally for games 2 cores is plenty. Having said that, everyone wants new tech for speed and product lifetime.
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Depsite all that, the preview video on the Tab 2 10.1 and Note 10.1 still shows signs of animation lag.
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Depsite all that, the preview video on the Tab 2 10.1 and Note 10.1 still shows signs of animation lag.
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And it will stay that way, since Android applications are based on Java, and Java is laggy even on my Quad Core i7 running PC.
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And it will stay that way, since Android applications are based on Java, and Java is laggy even on my Quad Core i7 running PC.
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Cry Cry QQ More.
Its all games and Android Java apps are Blazing fast.
And yes more cores is better.
Android is a well done multi-core architecture. Its SDK make you use multi core features.
So we need all the cores we can have. Even GB or Froyo can take advantage of a 4 core processor.
Just a quick fact.. my galaxy note right now has... 173 process running.... so.. I guess that multi core isnt bad at all kids.
It is in Dutch, but I think the benchmark results speak for themselves.
http://tweakers.net/reviews/2616/3/asus-transformer-pad-infinity-android-op-1920x1200-hardware-kan-tegra-3-het-aan.html
If this is true, I believe ASUS really is losing it when it comes to having a long term view on the future for its hardware.
The infinity is now "nothing more" than a desperate attempt to jump on the retina wagon
From my perspective benchmarks are really only important to geeks like us anyway. Do those clock speed variations really make any noticeable difference in tablet performance? I keep my 300 underclocked at 1.0 Mhz to save battery and it does everything I want, including 3D gaming, very very well.
Now on the other hand: A sexy form factor, metal body, gorilla glass 2 and HD resolution.....to the non-techie crowd (most of the market), those features are key, and sell tablets. Look at Apple's success, imo coming mostly from branding as "cool" rather than putting out the best products.
I know it is frustrating to those of us who really evaluate and understand the technology, but that is the reality of the market and generating sales volumes.
The issue though is the Tegra 3 has to beat itself to death to perform with a 1920X1200 display. Kind of like a 4 cylinder engine in Minivan.
I will stick with the 300 and dock (got for $450, so $200 less than the 700). I also have a 64gb iPad 3, so already covered on the hi-def fix.
At least the Asus has a higher clocked chipset than the Acer, which runs hot and has performance issues (same chip as the A510 and only the display changed). I returned the A510 due to heat, so the A700 must get real toasty.
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The issue though is the Tegra 3 has to beat itself to death to perform with a 1920X1200 display. Kind of like a 4 cylinder engine in Minivan.
I will stock with the 300 and dock (got for $450, so $200 less than the 700). I also have a 64gb iPad 3, so already covered on the hi-def fix.
At least the Acer has a higher clocked chipset than the Acer, which runs hot and has performance issues (same chip as the A510 and only the display changed). I returned the A510 due to heat, so the A700 must get real toasty.
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Lol, I remember going back and forth with you on the A510 thread when I had mine....also returned due to the heat issue. Glad to see you made the same choice and got a 300 as well, a decision I have not regretted for a second.
The question is: Will there be any noticeable deterioration in performance going from the 300 to the Infinity given Infinity's supped up engine and much higher performance requirement. If not, I think the other features could really drive demand.
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Wondering the exact same thing. Have to wait to see what happens when people get their hands on it.
Yep, I must admit I was wrong on the A510. The 300 runs cooler, just as fast, much better touch response, better overall display and the dock is far more handy than I expected
They are using the higher clocked T33 and DDR3 in the Infinity and the battery life is about two hours less than the Prime. The chip is a better fit than the Acer 700, which has the SAME chip as the A510 that already runs hot (mainly due to the battery taking up space, but the higher res display will make hotter).
Comparing the Acer to the Asus, seems the Infinity from Asus is the best option. The heat alone would keep me from the Acer tablet.
Added: Since I am happy with the 300 and paid $450 for the tablet and dock, I see no reason to spend $200 more for the Infinity. The reviews so far have reported some lag and I think my 4 cylnder in a Minivan analogy is valid. The sweet spot for the GPU in the Tegra 3 is 1280X800.
I guess if Nvidia created a Tegra 3X, it would add another $50 price to consumers, so probably not the price point they want with the iPad 3 hanging around.
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They are using the higher clocked T33 and DDR3 in the Infinity and the battery life is about two hours less than the Prime.
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From the comparisons I have seen, the 300 only trails the Prime by 30 minutes on battery life without the dock. Given the two hours you mentioned above, that implies we are about 1.5 hours ahead of the infinity. For me battery life is key and a 12-18% reduction is a steep price to pay for a prettier screen, but time will tell as Asus updates the infinity with more battery efficient kernels.
I took the average from the reviews I have seen so far. I think the 1280x800 display is the comfort zone for the Tegra 3, so will stick with it.
Game emulators like N64, PSX and MAME Reloaded will take a hit with the high res display and no upgraded GPU.
The 300 is smoother since less pixels to push data to using the same GPU. The 300 also has DDR3 memory like the Infinity.
OK, so currently I have the Hyundai t7 which is a Chinese tablet which I got for £66. It has a Samsung exynos 4412 1.6ghz processor and 1 GB ram, 1280*800 7inch IPS screen and dual cameras. Although the specs seem quite good it only runs ICS but has a very unstable jellybean ROM. I know that the advent has 4.4.2 the latest one. My first question, is this tablet supported through a lot of new firmwares. For example will it get android 5.0 etc?. When using in the shop the speed is amazing as well as the unique stylus. Now for the battery. My Hyundai can get a mere 1hr screen on time which is dreadful. I am definitely looking for upgrade on that. How long is the screen on time on the tegra not. Finally is it worth upgrading? It cost at my PC world £130
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OK, so currently I have the Hyundai t7 which is a Chinese tablet which I got for £66. It has a Samsung exynos 4412 1.6ghz processor and 1 GB ram, 1280*800 7inch IPS screen and dual cameras. Although the specs seem quite good it only runs ICS but has a very unstable jellybean ROM. I know that the advent has 4.4.2 the latest one. My first question, is this tablet supported through a lot of new firmwares. For example will it get android 5.0 etc?. When using in the shop the speed is amazing as well as the unique stylus. Now for the battery. My Hyundai can get a mere 1hr screen on time which is dreadful. I am definitely looking for upgrade on that. How long is the screen on time on the tegra not. Finally is it worth upgrading? It cost at my PC world £130
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I get several hours (~5) on mixed usage on my EVGA Note 7 on maximum performance option, max screen brightness and with bluetooth and wifi turned on. This includes a mix of gaming for an hour or two, lots of web browsing, flash videos and movies or shows downloaded to the tablet. Nvidia has said that they'll roll out updates on their devices as soon as possible and that seems to be the case with the Note 7 and Shield as they've both got the 4.4.2 update. I would be wary, though, as some people have reported problems with not being able to read or write to their SD cards. Personally, I'd suggest staying at the 4.2.2 or 4.3 rom until these issues get fixed. I got my brother the Nexus 7 2012 when it first came out and compared his to my Note 7. Honestly, in average use, I don't see too much difference and the games I play aren't graphics intensive but it played games like The Walking Dead: Season One, Dead Trigger, Asphalt 8 and Real Racing just fine.
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I get several hours (~5) on mixed usage on my EVGA Note 7 on maximum performance option, max screen brightness and with bluetooth and wifi turned on. This includes a mix of gaming for an hour or two, lots of web browsing, flash videos and movies or shows downloaded to the tablet. Nvidia has said that they'll roll out updates on their devices as soon as possible and that seems to be the case with the Note 7 and Shield as they've both got the 4.4.2 update. I would be wary, though, as some people have reported problems with not being able to read or write to their SD cards. Personally, I'd suggest staying at the 4.2.2 or 4.3 rom until these issues get fixed. I got my brother the Nexus 7 2012 when it first came out and compared his to my Note 7. Honestly, in average use, I don't see too much difference and the games I play aren't graphics intensive but it played games like The Walking Dead: Season One, Dead Trigger, Asphalt 8 and Real Racing just fine.
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Thanks for the reply. In your opinion do you think it is worth the upgrade from my current tablet (Hyundai t7). I have also been really considering to get a 10.1 inch one as bigger is better!
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Thanks for the reply. In your opinion do you think it is worth the upgrade from my current tablet (Hyundai t7). I have also been really considering to get a 10.1 inch one as bigger is better!
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I suppose it depends on what you use it for, what you require from the tablet and what your budget is. If you would really prefer a 10" tablet over a 7" one, I would really hold out to get what you really want. I know Qualcomm just revealed their 808 and 810 CPUs with Adreno 418 and 430 GPUs respectively and Nvidia's new Tegra K1 should be out in devices in the next several months. Be prepared to spend up to twice the price of what a 7" tablet costs, though.
Yes thanks. I have picked up he lg g pad 8.3 which was a steal at £119 so no need to worry about this!!!!
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Hi, guys. I am interested in N10,but I am very curious about performance of N10. I know Samsung use an dual core based at ARM15, but its screen has a high resolution 2560x1400. Is its dual core really capable of such a high resolution? How about the performance of multiple tasking? Any lag? My current cellphone is Galaxy Note 2 that has a quad core chip, but it is not as fast as what I thought until I flash 4.4.2 ROM. Tell me your experience of using N10. Your comment would really help me make a good decision. By the way, the main purpose is to internet bowersing and watch movies which store on portable HDD. Thanks
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I have been running the Nexus 10 since it came out. No complaints here. I watch allot of Youtube video, news and sports videos, etc. Even runs better when I tether it off my 4G. Been testing latest 4.4.3 Roms available here at XDA. Not much difference over 4.4.2, runs good with either.
Good luck.
The cpu doesnt primarily drive the screen so it handles the big resolution screen very well. With browsing and watching movies its just fast. This thing is a beast when it comes to gaming because it has a kick ass gpu..
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Hi, guys. I am interested in N10,but I am very curious about performance of N10. I know Samsung use an dual core based at ARM15, but its screen has a high resolution 2560x1400. Is its dual core really capable of such a high resolution? How about the performance of multiple tasking? Any lag? My current cellphone is Galaxy Note 2 that has a quad core chip, but it is not as fast as what I thought until I flash 4.4.2 ROM. Tell me your experience of using N10. Your comment would really help me make a good decision. By the way, the main purpose is to internet bowersing and watch movies which store on portable HDD. Thanks
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I agree with the two posts above mine. I've had this tablet for a few months, and never once has it felt slow or sluggish with anything I've thrown at it. This ain't your typical dual core. It's on par with my Nexus 5 and Nexus 7 (2013).
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The cpu doesnt primarily drive the screen so it handles the big resolution screen very well. With browsing and watching movies its just fast. This thing is a beast when it comes to gaming because it has a kick ass gpu..
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Great!
Hi,
Not only what the guys said above, to power the screen resolution, the GPU has 1GB allocated to it since 4.3 if I'm not wrong. So it's quite capable, just be careful when using many apps, the RAM is limited to only 1GB due to it. Even though I'm able to play many games and watch full HD videos with ease and comfort .
~Lord
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As usual, the correct answer would be: "It depends!"
The Nexus 10 is the best Samsung could do at the time it came out.
Somehow both Google and Samsung felt compelled at the time to deliver something that would beat Apple at least on paper.
Truth is, it's a somewhat unbalanced device by today's standards.
A typical competitor today would probably have a Qualcom Snapdragon 800 or better and you'd notice the difference!
Generally CPU performance is still quite ok: More than 2 cores rarely make sense and these ARM 15 cores tend to have enough oomph for the sort of things you'd run on a tablet CPU. And the Exynos seems to be a close match to the Snapdragon, core by core.
So there, for all practical purposes, it won't feel much slower than a modern devices.
But the GPU can't quite deal with the resolution and even if it could, DRAM bandwidth would be the next barrier. So when you look for 3D game performance, the Nexus 10 can't quite keep up with what is out there these days.
Depending on your benchmark it may feel like a dog, but good games tailer themselves to what's available and even some 3D ones are actually ok.
Mine's most used for reading books, surfing, perhaps even some video, I'm also doing some writing (with BT keyboard/mouse) on it and that's all more than ok, especially when you want to flip forth and back between lots of web-sites and programs.
I'd say when you can get the Nexus 10 for cheap it's still pretty good, when you're ready to pay prime dollar, you'll find better even from Samsung.
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As usual, the correct answer would be: "It depends!"
The Nexus 10 is the best Samsung could do at the time it came out.
Somehow both Google and Samsung felt compelled at the time to deliver something that would beat Apple at least on paper.
Truth is, it's a somewhat unbalanced device by today's standards.
A typical competitor today would probably have a Qualcom Snapdragon 800 or better and you'd notice the difference!
Generally CPU performance is still quite ok: More than 2 cores rarely make sense and these ARM 15 cores tend to have enough oomph for the sort of things you'd run on a tablet CPU. And the Exynos seems to be a close match to the Snapdragon, core by core.
So there, for all practical purposes, it won't feel much slower than a modern devices.
But the GPU can't quite deal with the resolution and even if it could, DRAM bandwidth would be the next barrier. So when you look for 3D game performance, the Nexus 10 can't quite keep up with what is out there these days.
Depending on your benchmark it may feel like a dog, but good games tailer themselves to what's available and even some 3D ones are actually ok.
Mine's most used for reading books, surfing, perhaps even some video, I'm also doing some writing (with BT keyboard/mouse) on it and that's all more than ok, especially when you want to flip forth and back between lots of web-sites and programs.
I'd say when you can get the Nexus 10 for cheap it's still pretty good, when you're ready to pay prime dollar, you'll find better even from Samsung.
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I'd say this is a pretty fair assessment. GPU struggles with some modern apps such as Google maps, and even now Chrome isn't the best. I still use browser because its much smoother, and I also use the 'performance' CPU governor which locks the tablet to 1.7ghz and really helps responsiveness.
That being said, its still a really really nice tablet generally. If you're getting it for a good price you should be happy enough. I still love using mine nearly 2 years after buying it, and I'm comparing it to my snap 800 powered XZU. Its still a really nice screen, really nice design. Quick enough and battery life is not too bad these days either! (6 hours SOT easy with brightness at 35℅)
So the Nexus 9 is supposed to have a 64 bit Tegra K1, anyone else find it anoying that the Shield wasnt released with this?
The Shield was released in July, looks like the Nexus 9 will be released in November. Maybe wasn't ready in time?
The nexus Won't be 64 bit.
It remains to be seen whether Nvidia's CPU architecture in the Denver is up to snuff, given they're using an architecture that hasn't really been successfully implemented in the past (in order compiling). I'd wait until devices with it are in users hands before feeling disappointed in the lack of the 64-bit K1 in our Shields.
ShrekOpher said:
The nexus Won't be 64 bit.
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http://www.google.com/nexus/9/
USBhost said:
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It is 399 for a 16gb with NO MicroSD slot though or 499 for one with NO MicroSD slot still
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Looks like I was wrong, but with only 2GB of RAM it is not going to be a noticeable improve over other K1 devices. Seems more like a beta test to me than an actually full 64bit use case.
ShrekOpher said:
Looks like I was wrong, but with only 2GB of RAM it is not going to be a noticeable improve over other K1 devices. Seems more like a beta test to me than an actually full 64bit use case.
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how can something be half. its either 32 vs 64
But if you look at the newer apple products they are 64 and only have 1GB of RAM
USBhost said:
how can something be half. its either 32 vs 64
But if you look at the newer apple products they are 64 and only have 1GB of RAM
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The main point of using 64bit is to be able to properly take advantage of systems that have more than 4GB of RAM.
There are benefits to having a 64bit system besides that, but in all reality they will not even be notifiable on a machine with only 2GB of RAM.
Basically Giggle is using the Nexus 9 to pilot 64bit Android and allow devs to build apps for that new setup. And end user will not recognize the difference until there are phone/tablets/android laptops with more than 4GB of RAM.
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I think it has 4GB
ShrekOpher said:
The main point of using 64bit is to be able to properly take advantage of systems that have more than 4GB of RAM.
There are benefits to having a 64bit system besides that, but in all reality they will not even be notifiable on a machine with only 2GB of RAM.
Basically Giggle is using the Nexus 9 to pilot 64bit Android and allow devs to build apps for that new setup. And end user will not recognize the difference until there are phone/tablets/android laptops with more than 4GB of RAM.
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I was on flipboard a while ago and I'm sure I read that the nexus 9 will have 4GB not 2GB. I didnt like that since I just got my shield tablet, but games are super fast with no lag so I will not complain to much
Moeali8 said:
I was on flipboard a while ago and I'm sure I read that the nexus 9 will have 4GB not 2GB. I didnt like that since I just got my shield tablet, but games are super fast with no lag so I will not complain to much
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Well rumors are just that. Google on their own page is touting 2 gb of ram so there's no difference there between that and the shield tablet. Supposedly the denver core K1 though will be an emulation MONSTER its an in order processor, but it is 7x superscalar. Since pretty much all emulation is single threaded the hope is that it will be able to run the dolphin emulator with decent framerates on a tablet. All in all i'm glad I chose the shield, at 399 for 32 gb and lte I think its a very competitive price. Sure the nexus 9 has a larger screen and higher resolution, but i like the 8" form factor i wouldn't be able to fit anything else in my pocket. We probably won't see a whole lot of apps that truly are optimized for 64 bit instruction set for a while, until it becomes the norm. Also the expandable memory and the stylus are pretty awesome. I do wonder though if Nvidia is going to make available Half-Life 2 and Portal to the nexus 9, IMO they'd be foolish not to. Also Gamestream and Shield Controller support is something that I think they should offer support for with all their OEMs that use thier SOC's but i really doubt that will happen.
RAM is not the main reason to use 64-bit processors. That's only one of many benefits.
However, the N9 will not have a great benefit. Currently there is more out there that supports Quad-Core more than it supports 64-bit. The architecture does offer multiple benefits, but it really won't help much currently.
Also to note, the N9 will be a DUAL-CORE K1. Nvidia calls it a "Dual Super Core", but when you break it down... It's a dual-core SoC.
Maybe in a year or two we might see some real world improvements that the N9 gets over the Shield Tablet, but currently they'll be nearly identical.
It offers 64-bit, but lacks a number of K1 benefits (as has been stated above). For the price and what you get, the Shield Tablet wins out any day over the N9.
Also, anyone that thinks the main reason for 64-bit is to be able to recognize 4+GB of RAM... Please do some research. There are SO MANY other, more important advances. RAM is only a small piece of a very large puzzle for 64-bit architecture.
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livinonnoslp said:
Well rumors are just that. Google on their own page is touting 2 gb of ram so there's no difference there between that and the shield tablet. Supposedly the denver core K1 though will be an emulation MONSTER its an in order processor, but it is 7x superscalar. Since pretty much all emulation is single threaded the hope is that it will be able to run the dolphin emulator with decent framerates on a tablet. All in all i'm glad I chose the shield, at 399 for 32 gb and lte I think its a very competitive price. Sure the nexus 9 has a larger screen and higher resolution, but i like the 8" form factor i wouldn't be able to fit anything else in my pocket. We probably won't see a whole lot of apps that truly are optimized for 64 bit instruction set for a while, until it becomes the norm. Also the expandable memory and the stylus are pretty awesome. I do wonder though if Nvidia is going to make available Half-Life 2 and Portal to the nexus 9, IMO they'd be foolish not to. Also Gamestream and Shield Controller support is something that I think they should offer support for with all their OEMs that use thier SOC's but i really doubt that will happen.
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I agree and I'm happy with my wifi only, wish they had a 32gb wifi option not just the lte but the external sd card works
The shield tablet has a magnesium plate to cool the cpu for no throttling the nexus 9 will not have this and will throttle and lag in games like hell.
rubene66 said:
The shield tablet has a magnesium plate to cool the cpu for no throttling the nexus 9 will not have this and will throttle and lag in games like hell.
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My dear friend
the whole tablet will cool it down
you know its metal
The borders is metal the rest is plastic
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My dear friend
the whole tablet will cool it down
you know its metal
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rubene66 said:
The shield tablet has a magnesium plate to cool the cpu for no throttling the nexus 9 will not have this and will throttle and lag in games like hell.
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Is this really true?
Let's just wait for the reviews anandtech test well that we will see.
tyvar1 said:
Is this really true?
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tyvar1 said:
Is this really true?
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It's true that the shield is built with a large magnesium heat plate designed by Nvidia for optimal heat displacement. I would guess they probably worked with HTC some too though.
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Hopefully with Lollipop SD card restrictions previously applied by Apple, I mean Google, in KitKat will be lifted.