But delayed for a good reason,
they exchange the original foreseen dual core soc for a quad core.
Yammy.
Good move for samsung but would the 2 additional cores really give that much of a performance boost since 99% of the apps are single threaded.
Also I wonder whats up with the 11.6, it seems to have gone so silent!
Another good reason would be to exchange the screen for an 1080p AMOLED!
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Good move for samsung but would the 2 additional cores really give that much of a performance boost since 99% of the apps are single threaded.
Also I wonder whats up with the 11.6, it seems to have gone so silent!
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If they give you a quad core for the same price as a dual core with better performance and better battery life, then why not.
I think they are doing this to make it more competitive in comparison to the new iPad. By giving it a quad core, the average person thinks it would be better than the new iPad since many people have a "4 cores are better than 2" mentality from a marketing standpoint. If they also have data numbers to back that up, such as better benchmark scores, etc, then that would help. It would still be a challenge to convince the average person, however, that Android on a 10.1 Note is a better experience than iOS on an iPad however, but if they can show the advantages of the S-Pen, better performance for gaming, and other such things, they might be able to get a better foothold on the tablet market.
Apple definitely has a dominance in the tablet market, but in a few years time, Android tablets will start to significantly eat at this lead just like it did with the smartphone market. By offering choices and differentiation from the iPad, and in the case of the Note: S-Pen functionality and the better quad core CPU, and with better pricing than an iPad, then I think we can see the Note tab doing well.
The Note 10.1 is great all around, the only two places it lacks (in my opinion) is the low screen resolution and the 16:10 aspect ratio of the screen. I will never buy a tablet around the 8-10 inch size that isn't 4:3 in screen ratio. If Sammy came out with another edition that fixes both issues I would seriously consider picking one up.
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Another good reason would be to exchange the screen for an 1080p AMOLED!
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With the current quality control on superamoled, that is a nightmare for a lot of users including me. Im pretty ok with the pls screen after using my friend's tab for a day.
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If they give you a quad core for the same price as a dual core with better performance and better battery life, then why not.
I think they are doing this to make it more competitive in comparison to the new iPad. By giving it a quad core, the average person thinks it would be better than the new iPad since many people have a "4 cores are better than 2" mentality from a marketing standpoint. If they also have data numbers to back that up, such as better benchmark scores, etc, then that would help. It would still be a challenge to convince the average person, however, that Android on a 10.1 Note is a better experience than iOS on an iPad however, but if they can show the advantages of the S-Pen, better performance for gaming, and other such things, they might be able to get a better foothold on the tablet market.
Apple definitely has a dominance in the tablet market, but in a few years time, Android tablets will start to significantly eat at this lead just like it did with the smartphone market. By offering choices and differentiation from the iPad, and in the case of the Note: S-Pen functionality and the better quad core CPU, and with better pricing than an iPad, then I think we can see the Note tab doing well.
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No issues with the price, i wonder if they will also go with a quad gpu.
Ios tablets apps are a bettet experince compared to andriod apps, used a friends ipad2 for a week and found all of its apps significantly better compared to andriod, imho.
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The Note 10.1 is great all around, the only two places it lacks (in my opinion) is the low screen resolution and the 16:10 aspect ratio of the screen. I will never buy a tablet around the 8-10 inch size that isn't 4:3 in screen ratio. If Sammy came out with another edition that fixes both issues I would seriously consider picking one up.
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+1 on aspect ratio.
I still using my tablet 4:3 1440x1050 because of the aspect ratio.
If I cant get 1920x1200 I dont want then 16:10 in a tiny tablet.
I like 16:10. Its perfect for reading and browsing the web. But i only will upgrade my 10.1 tab if the resolution doubles to 2560*1440
For a tablet with a Pen which will be mostly used in portrait mode to scribble on or for playing board games like chess, 4:3 aspect ratio is much more suitable but not much so for watching movies, so each has its own cons and pros,it comes down to what suits ones need more.
EarlZ said:
Good move for samsung but would the 2 additional cores really give that much of a performance boost since 99% of the apps are single threaded.
Also I wonder whats up with the 11.6, it seems to have gone so silent!
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ICS UI runs on a separate thread (read: core) wherever possible where as GB chops it about - hence the lag. As soon as games on ICS start utilising the extra cores, 4 will be better than 2!
To be honest, its only likely to be intensive apps that you'd notice any difference - and that probably means gaming. If, like me you use your tablet for Web browsing, watching videos and only occasionally for games 2 cores is plenty. Having said that, everyone wants new tech for speed and product lifetime.
friedje said:
But delayed for a good reason,
they exchange the original foreseen dual core soc for a quad core.
Yammy.
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Do we really need the 2 extra core?
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Do we really need the 2 extra core?
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No,but this beeing my first Android phone,not counting my HD2,and from what I have seen I would rather go for a two highly clocked and simultaneously running cores,and a big sized battery.
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ICS UI runs on a separate thread (read: core) wherever possible where as GB chops it about - hence the lag. As soon as games on ICS start utilising the extra cores, 4 will be better than 2!
To be honest, its only likely to be intensive apps that you'd notice any difference - and that probably means gaming. If, like me you use your tablet for Web browsing, watching videos and only occasionally for games 2 cores is plenty. Having said that, everyone wants new tech for speed and product lifetime.
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Depsite all that, the preview video on the Tab 2 10.1 and Note 10.1 still shows signs of animation lag.
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Depsite all that, the preview video on the Tab 2 10.1 and Note 10.1 still shows signs of animation lag.
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And it will stay that way, since Android applications are based on Java, and Java is laggy even on my Quad Core i7 running PC.
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And it will stay that way, since Android applications are based on Java, and Java is laggy even on my Quad Core i7 running PC.
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Cry Cry QQ More.
Its all games and Android Java apps are Blazing fast.
And yes more cores is better.
Android is a well done multi-core architecture. Its SDK make you use multi core features.
So we need all the cores we can have. Even GB or Froyo can take advantage of a 4 core processor.
Just a quick fact.. my galaxy note right now has... 173 process running.... so.. I guess that multi core isnt bad at all kids.
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I am interested in how the graphics compare to the iphone 4S in real life. Like, is it that noticable?
I know the iPhones have optimization and all but with the Mali 400MP will i notice much difference compared 2 the iPhone 4S graphics? Iv seen all the benchmarks and i know iphone 4s is up to 2x faster then Mali 400 but will it be noticable??
It's not really noticeable, but the iPhone 4S is the first phone to have a dual-core graphics chip (gpu) so it can handle any game thrown at it. In my opinion playing games on the S2 is much more enjoyable because of the bigger screen and because of Super Amoled Plus. However if your buying a smartphone for games... then something is wrong with you haha
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actually i think the samsungs were the first 2 have a dual core gpu... and alot of people buy a smartphone for games.. its tasken over DS and PSP in market share for handheld gaming...cant argue with statistics
Technically, the A5 chip is better for graphics. However the most important factor here is that games are better on iOS. If you want to play on mobile, go iOS no questions asked. Since the GS2 screen is bigger, it's more comfortable to play, but games are late to release on Android.
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Technically, the A5 chip is better for graphics. However the most important factor here is that games are better on iOS. If you want to play on mobile, go iOS no questions asked. Since the GS2 screen is bigger, it's more comfortable to play, but games are late to release on Android.
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yeah, i can wait for the games to release but i just want 2 know how much noticably worse the graphics will be, if at all?
and iphone 4s only ha 512mb of RAM.. will that matter?
Only 512 mb of ram will matter in the long run. Even if the games this time next year would be playable thanks to the GPU, they will lag due to the lack of RAM -- otherwise iPhone 5 wouldn't have any selling point.
As for GPU performance, despite being newer the A5 is hardly better: http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare....Apple iPhone 4S&D2=Samsung GT-i9100 Galaxy S2
The next generation A6 and Mali are most likely to double the performance.
The mali-400 use a quad-core configuration.
http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-400-mp.php
peterdan1506 said:
yeah, i can wait for the games to release but i just want 2 know how much noticably worse the graphics will be, if at all?
and iphone 4s only ha 512mb of RAM.. will that matter?
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i have a iphone 4 and galaxy s2 as my main phones, i like playing games a lot and for that i use the iphone, games are smoother, better optimised , better looking ( on retina) and get updated faster if there are problems, that has a simple answer, developers have to develop for 5 hardware versions with are very similar anyway not like on android wich has hundreds of hardware versions, and games are can not be tested on all of them.
Check ShadowGun for Galaxy S2 and judge it for your self
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Check ShadowGun for Galaxy S2 and judge it for your self
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Lol i got this yesterday - sick as f***
Bulletstorm vs gears of war.
Also Riptide GP has super graphics too!
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Shadowgun's available for ios too but I bet the developer spent an lot less time on it than the Android versions
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I am interested in how the graphics compare to the iphone 4S in real life. Like, is it that noticable?
I know the iPhones have optimization and all but with the Mali 400MP will i notice much difference compared 2 the iPhone 4S graphics? Iv seen all the benchmarks and i know iphone 4s is up to 2x faster then Mali 400 but will it be noticable??
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IMO it's very noticeable. My wife has the i4S so I've spent a good bit of time comparing. Gaming is on a whole other level with the i4S. Not sure if it's because the apps are better optimized or the gpu is just that much better. Asphalt 6, shadow gun, dead space all have a richer gameplay experience from graphics, to character control etc. Then you have games like Modern Combat 3 and Real Racing and atm there's just nothing on the android platform that's comparable.
One of the bad things for the Mali MP400(Or in that context the way it's implemented in the Galaxy S II) is its clocking mechanism(It's in no way a mechanism,I know,but I try to simplify things a lot).The GPU's clock must be 800MHz divided by an integer.So the next two options are 400MHz(800/2) and then 267MHz(800/3).So,because 400Mhz is a 50% overclocked state so to speak,Sammy had to stick with 267Mhz.If I remember well,the Tegra 2's Geforce ULP runs at 333Mhz(and still gets pretty much raped) and the overclocked to death version of the PowerVR SGX540 in the RAZR runs at 384MHz and STILL is worse.That's because we are all comparing stock handsets.My SGS2 with 400MHz GPU kicks the crap of all the aformentioned phones.
As for talks about dual-core GPU,it's a little more complex than that.GPUs are from their nature multi-core devices,but not in the way CPUs are.They use pixel shader cores,vertex shader cores and so on.In that manner,the Mali MP400 is quad-core and the GeForce ULP is octa-core.The SGX545 in the iPhone 4S is more like dual GPU.Still,we don't know how it's clocked.Plus,the SII is 6 months older.So,if we also take into consideration that last year's Desire HD with its relatively crappy(Compared to new ones) GPU plays all graphics intensive games smoothly,no,the SII won't suck for a long time.
Long post but for some it may be a worth read.
Bec07 said:
Only 512 mb of ram will matter in the long run. Even if the games this time next year would be playable thanks to the GPU, they will lag due to the lack of RAM -- otherwise iPhone 5 wouldn't have any selling point.
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Nonsense. It's a stupid little mobile phone - if twice as much RAM as a PS3 can't do it, the programmers really should find another job.
MoWa22 said:
Nonsense. It's a stupid little mobile phone - if twice as much RAM as a PS3 can't do it, the programmers really should find another job.
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You can't just talk out of your gut like that.
There's so much to consider in to account. Firstly being the PS3 has a harddrive to compensate for the ram. So that's the hardware dilemma covered.
And the second; there are more console gaming developers than there are mobile gaming developers due to mobile gaming being a new generation and developers would rather go for the easy option than spend hours and resources thinking about what they can fit on a 3.7 inch screen.
The third among many reasons; target audience for consoles are broad. You don't have 5 year olds owning a 4S. Hence momentum on gaming market for consoles is still in it's peak. And if you ask me, playing MW3 or BF3 on an iPhone would be suicidal.
danielsf said:
The mali-400 use a quad-core configuration.
http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-400-mp.php
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No, the Mali 400 uses 1 vertex unit and 4 pixel units. Having 4 pixel units lead it to be called quad-core (probably for marketing purposes), but it is not true quad core. Hence the reason why the iPhone 4s' true dual-core still outperforms it.
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Only 512 mb of ram will matter in the long run. Even if the games this time next year would be playable thanks to the GPU, they will lag due to the lack of RAM.
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PS3 has 512MB total RAM. It's not the amount that matters, it's how you use it
What I mean is, developers will be optimizing their games for what resources they have. Hence, I don't think there will be any performance problems next year.
Actually I thought that sgs2 kicked iphone 4s' ass...
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No matter what people here might say, i might get flamed for this but...
If you want to play games, get an iphone 4s, Simple as that. Specs aside (yes GPU wise the a5 is faster than mali400 anyway), iOs is much better for gaming, more games. and higher quality games. not to mention games usually arrive on ios faster than they make it to android.
/flame shield on.
you both terribly wrong ;-)
1/ the ps3 has good cpus/gpus despite the age
2/ the ps3 only runs the game and optimized for gaming (including the dev tools and the apis)
3/the phone runs a lot of other things that the ps3 doesn't even have hardware for (starting by: how do you think the phone receives calls and messages even thus ur playing a game?)
4/the phones also have a runtime on top
5/phones have non voltile memory too
and please realize that ram has nothing to do with raw power, its just a fast access memory. means the more stuff you run the more ram you need.
eventually, ram is used to compensate loading times or how much data you can process at once, but that's not always as relevent
I just got a Galaxy S II and now Samsung is gearing up for the Galaxy III powered by Exynos 4412 @ 1.5Ghz.
Sources:
http://pinoydroid.net/samsung-galaxy-iii-quadcore-smartphone-samsung-exynox-4412
http://androidandme.com/2011/11/new...-exynos-4412-could-power-samsung-galaxy-s-iii
http://www.devicemag.com/2011/11/22...e-powered-by-quad-core-exynos-4412-processor/
Come at me bro
That would be very nice. A little sad I couldn't upgrade to the GS II but I think I can shell out for a new phone next year and a quad core Galaxy S would fit the bill.
I kinda want a galaxy Nexus, I missed out on the N1 so I do want a pure google device but samsung just gets it so right. Can't wait to see what they do with ICS.
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wtf do we need a quad core phone for when very little use dual core. Now quad core on a tablet i can somewhat understand
Gonna stick with the SGS2, unless of course the SGS3 has improved everything in which case I'll get it on launch day..
Seems pointless to me.... quad core will b battery hungry and bare use both cores on gs2 lol. Meeeeh
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Overkill...
I this going to be the future of Android, constant hardware updates that totally outdo the previous model in a matter of months, its already a fragmented nightmare, coders cant cope with dual core, let along quad, to be honest I am getting fed up with the constant changing and new models all the time, getting ridiculous
na its for tablets. a dual A15 with A7 more likely.
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I this going to be the future of Android, constant hardware updates that totally outdo the previous model in a matter of months, its already a fragmented nightmare, coders cant cope with dual core, let along quad, to be honest I am getting fed up with the constant changing and new models all the time, getting ridiculous
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Then don't upgrade! you forget the other millions who didnt update this year and will be looking at 2012 for the latest and greatest. Where is the sense in wanting an Apple like crawl in progression. Android gives companies like Samsung the freedom to concentrate on the hardware. It can only be a good thing for the consumer. What I take from your post is "WWAaaAaa my fones not the bestest anymore!!11!!"
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Seems pointless to me.... quad core will b battery hungry and bare use both cores on gs2 lol. Meeeeh
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While I do agree that it is somewhat pointless at this point in time, it's a common misconception that newer CPUs = more power usage. By that logic, a Core i7 will consume more power than the Core 2 Quad, which it does not.
CPU manufacturers control power consumption in a number of ways. The most common is a die shrink, manufacturing the CPU at a smaller level. The Exynos is a 45nm chip, and the next generation is supposed to be 28nm. Thus, we can expect power consumption to stay the same, or even decrease.
The other way is through the use of core gating. The OS simply shuts off the cores that are not in use, and wakes them up when they are needed.
Hopefully this helps to clear up some of the misunderstandings regarding CPUs and power consumption.
quad core has already been stated to be more battery friendly and the tegra3 chips is very clever only using more cores when needed and even having a stealth 5th core for mega low idle speeds
obvously the exynos is not a tegra3 but i am sure samsung will do some clever stuff too
quad core will be awesome , i am happy with my dual core sgs2 so wont upgrade for a while ive also bought extras etc so its not worth upgrading for me , however that doesnt stop quad core from being gooooooooooood
have you seen the gfx power it will bring , the extra camera capabillities it allows the manufactuers to use , the speed that the browser will work , how smooth the ui transisitions and scrolling will be even when multi tasking , it also brings support for up to 2gb of ram which alone is great stuff everyone knows the only thing better then ram is more ram
i think if we want our mobile to be proper mobile computers connected to bluetooth keyboards and usb hardrives then linked up to hdmi or dlna while doing back ground tasks , followed by some high end intensive 3d gaming with a bluetooth pad over hdmi while still doing background tasks , encoding high quality media on the fly and editing it without having to wait an age for it to finalise then qua core is a great thing as is the way that tech is moving so fast
the only problem i can see is fragmentation as things move so quick
its got to make it hard for devs etc which in the long turn could damage the platform a bit , however i am sure it will come to the point it will smooth out and tech wont accelerate so fast , maybe? lol
nvidia have a road map and it shows that they will be releasing a new cpu/gpu combo each year for at least the next 3-4 years before they think we will be at mobile maximum potenial , so get ready for this tradition to carry on for a while yet
Sadly I think this fragmentation might become a very big problem in the future, and is one area where Apple is unfortunately right.
Look at PC Gaming. A lot of people buy PCs not knowing exactly what the PC they bought at capable of. When it fails to run Battlefield 3 at an acceptable framerate they are not going to be happy.
For us techies, it's easy to know that you need at least a GTX 560Ti or something, but for Joe Sixpack out there they obviously don't know these things.
I think perhaps Google should enforce some sort of system requirement rating system. Give it a number scale to make it simple. So maybe the SGS2 scores 9/10, and Contract Killer requires a phone with at least 7 to run smoothly. So Joe Sixpack who bought a Galaxy 3 GT-i5800 that scores a 3 doesn't get all pissed off.
Hope I'm making sense here.
Nah fragmentation will be fine. Pc is still the choice for gamers over Apple mac, not including consoles. Transfer that to mobile phones, and as long as the android mobiles become popular enough, games will be great for them. Everyone will just know they have to have a good mobile just like their pc.
I read somewhere it would feature the AMD's new 8 core bulldozer CPU with nVidias GTX 590 in SLI.
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i dont really understand people complaining about fragmentation. Android isnt a phone, it isnt a manufacturer, its an operating system. Do people complain the laptop market is fragmented because some computers are on xp, vista or 7? Some are on faster processors than others? Did people ever complain that symbian updated on some phones but not others?
I just dont get it, Id rather new phones/tech come out than only one release every 18 months.
Who cares? My upgrade isn't due until 2013... When I will get the top of the line handset again. I'm sure that model will be usurped within 4-6 months too.
Maybe we should all keep our phones in their original packaging like toy collectors, so they can't contribute to the disastrous fragmentation issue.
The actual effect of this media-inspired phenomena on consumers is negligible.
LOL sorry - had to point out the galaxy s III still has an 8mp camera. =p
Almost sounded like the Samsung Nexus with the 5mp camera... ahaha.
Just kidding. The phone should be solid. =)
Samsung g3 will be have 1.8 ghz processor not 1.5 ghz and will be dual core
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Pc is still the choice for gamers over Apple mac, not including consoles
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Android phones vs iPhone is basically like PC vs console since PC has a billion different hardware and software configs where as a console as 1 (There are a few iPhones but you generally only support the latest 2-3 versions).
Quite a simple question really, which was already mentioned in the title of the thread. What do you believe to be the best tablet? A 16 GB Nexus 7 WiFi model or a 16 GB Nexus 10 WiFi model?
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Brad387 said:
Quite a simple question really, which was already mentioned in the title of the thread. What do you believe to be the best tablet? A 16 GB Nexus 7 WiFi model or a 16 GB Nexus 10 WiFi model?
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Kind of an odd question really. Clearly the 10 has better specs, including screen.
But I'm pretty sure many of us bought a Nexus 7 because it was 7 inches portable. So, I'm pretty confident saying that the Nexus 7 is a better 7 inch tab than the 10 is.
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Kind of an odd question really. Clearly the 10 has better specs, including screen.
But I'm pretty sure many of us bought a Nexus 7 because it was 7 inches portable. So, I'm pretty confident saying that the Nexus 7 is a better 7 inch tab than the 10 is.
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Well, it is obvious that the Nexus 7 (which is a 7" tab) is better at being a 7" tablet than a Nexus 10 (which isn't a 7" tab, but a 10" one). However, isn't the Nexus 10 only a dual-core processor? I know the screen resolution is quite amazing, but besides that isn't it actually worse?
CPU: http://www.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-a/cortex-a15.php
GPU: http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-t604.php
CPU core count isn't all that matters. I don't have any real-world benchmarks, but I'm pretty sure that CPU alone can execute tasks faster and better than the Tegra 3. And since the GPU and CPU aren't on the same chip (that I know of), that also comes with it's share of better performance.
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CPU: http://www.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-a/cortex-a15.php
GPU: http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-t604.php
CPU core count isn't all that matters. I don't have any real-world benchmarks, but I'm pretty sure that CPU alone can execute tasks faster and better than the Tegra 3. And since the GPU and CPU aren't on the same chip (that I know of), that also comes with it's share of better performance.
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This ^.
You cant really justify which is better becuase the size difference. Like the first poster said we all bought this for the form factor. So to us the N7 is better regardless of the specs. However spec wise... i would go with the N10.
Two completely different forms factors and uses. They are both great devices.
CPU in the N10 is about twice as fast as the best A9 (S4 Pro) out now. It is more than likely about 3-4 times faster than the T3.
Two different devices for different purposes, its like comparing a motor bike to a car
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Quite a simple question really, which was already mentioned in the title of the thread. What do you believe to be the best tablet? A 16 GB Nexus 7 WiFi model or a 16 GB Nexus 10 WiFi model?
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It is like asking: 'What is the best: a semi or a van?'
Those 2 tablets are just in a different market, ergo not comparable.
If you don't take the size in the comparison, the Nexus 10 would win: more efficient/faster processor, way better grafics, almost quadripple resolution, ..etc.
By specs, N10 destroys the N7.
In terms of pure performance, which one is better?
The Nexus 10 is a dual core vs Tegra 3 Quad core.
2gb ram vs 1gb ram.
Also take in consideration Tegra Zone support, although not really related to performance. The Tegra 3 gets larger list of premium games.
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In terms of pure performance, which one is better?
The Nexus 10 is a dual core vs Tegra 3 Quad core.
2gb ram vs 1gb ram.
Also take in consideration Tegra Zone support, although not really related to performance. The Tegra 3 gets larger list of premium games.
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It isn't even a comparison. The N10 slaughters the N7. Pros vs joes if you will.
I'd still keep my 7". It performs just fine for what I need it for. 10" is too big. I'm more comfortable with my laptop at that point.
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Tegra has CPUs and GPU on a single chip, and other details
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CPU core count isn't all that matters. I don't have any real-world benchmarks, but I'm pretty sure that CPU alone can execute tasks faster and better than the Tegra 3. And since the GPU and CPU aren't on the same chip (that I know of), that also comes with it's share of better performance.
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You are confused.
The Tegra is a System-on-Chip ("SoC") that has both CPU and GPU cores on the same die. The CPU complex has four A9 ARM cores, plus a fifth "ninja" A7 core. The GPU has 12 cores, plus a number of special functional units. All cores access the shared RAM through a single memory controller.
The CPU complex spends most of its time running only the power-optimized "ninja" core, with the other cores powered off. The ninja CPU has a simpler A7 core and is implemented with power-optimized low-leakage transistors. (The A7 core does less speculative work, and thus is more power efficient than the A9 cores even taking into account the extra clock cycles needed.) If the workload increases, the main cores are powered up and execution is switched over, with the ninja core left idle in a low power mode.
The GPU complex has 12 general execution units, but these aren't directly comparable to CPU cores. You can't even compare them to the "cores" in other types of GPUs. In addition, there are other special units such as video and audio decoders in the GPU complex. These operations could be done on the main CPU or, sometimes, the GPU. But they are common and power-hungry enough to get hard-wired logic.
All of this complexity makes it really difficult to benchmark and compare. Or really easy, if your goal is to make one product look faster than another.
The Tegra is carefully tuned to do HD video decode with only the ninja core and GPU turned on, thus consuming little power. There is just enough CPU time left over to supervise the cellular modem for housekeeping operations, or do other trivial tasks. But if you add in just a little application work, the main four cores are activated and power usage goes way up.
Another way to skew the test result is to pick specific micro benchmarks. The Apple A5 (which is unrelated to the ARM numbers e.g. A7 and A9) was designed for a high resolution screen, and knowing that many early apps would be iPhone apps with pixel doubling. They put extra gates to increase the pixel fill rate and smoothing performance. This resulted in a bigger chip, but better performance with modest power use for these functions.
My estimation: The Nexus 7 with Tegra 3 is faster, has the potential to be more power efficient, and will have better long-term support and improvements. The N10 has the big advantage of 2GB of memory, which may become important with future versions of Android.
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You are confused.
The Tegra is a System-on-Chip ("SoC") that has both CPU and GPU cores on the same die. The CPU complex has four A9 ARM cores, plus a fifth "ninja" A7 core. The GPU has 12 cores, plus a number of special functional units. All cores access the shared RAM through a single memory controller.
The CPU complex spends most of its time running only the power-optimized "ninja" core, with the other cores powered off. The ninja CPU has a simpler A7 core and is implemented with power-optimized low-leakage transistors. (The A7 core does less speculative work, and thus is more power efficient than the A9 cores even taking into account the extra clock cycles needed.) If the workload increases, the main cores are powered up and execution is switched over, with the ninja core left idle in a low power mode.
The GPU complex has 12 general execution units, but these aren't directly comparable to CPU cores. You can't even compare them to the "cores" in other types of GPUs. In addition, there are other special units such as video and audio decoders in the GPU complex. These operations could be done on the main CPU or, sometimes, the GPU. But they are common and power-hungry enough to get hard-wired logic.
All of this complexity makes it really difficult to benchmark and compare. Or really easy, if your goal is to make one product look faster than another.
The Tegra is carefully tuned to do HD video decode with only the ninja core and GPU turned on, thus consuming little power. There is just enough CPU time left over to supervise the cellular modem for housekeeping operations, or do other trivial tasks. But if you add in just a little application work, the main four cores are activated and power usage goes way up.
Another way to skew the test result is to pick specific micro benchmarks. The Apple A5 (which is unrelated to the ARM numbers e.g. A7 and A9) was designed for a high resolution screen, and knowing that many early apps would be iPhone apps with pixel doubling. They put extra gates to increase the pixel fill rate and smoothing performance. This resulted in a bigger chip, but better performance with modest power use for these functions.
My estimation: The Nexus 7 with Tegra 3 is faster, has the potential to be more power efficient, and will have better long-term support and improvements. The N10 has the big advantage of 2GB of memory, which may become important with future versions of Android.
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Best answer I've seen.
And has been said before, surely, in the end it comes down to what do you want to do with it. I prefer my n7 because 10" tablets are simply too big and uncomfortable
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Real world experience will require the device in hand. The resolution being pushed will need a lot more backbone to provide the same smooth experience as the lower resolution device. Just look at the iPad 2 vs 3. The iPad 2 felt like a better experience because of the lower resolution. Most people couldn't even tell the two apart or correctly identify which was one or the other.
Resolution that high is retarded on a 10" screen. Waste of battery and resources.
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I say wait another 3 months before committed to buying 10 inch. Google might upgrade its 10 inch with 3G, who knows, having experiencing what they did with 7 inch.
player911 said:
Real world experience will require the device in hand. The resolution being pushed will need a lot more backbone to provide the same smooth experience as the lower resolution device. Just look at the iPad 2 vs 3. The iPad 2 felt like a better experience because of the lower resolution. Most people couldn't even tell the two apart or correctly identify which was one or the other.
Resolution that high is retarded on a 10" screen. Waste of battery and resources.
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I agree.A super display is great if everything is built to look good on it but not if it comes at too big of cost in performance.That is what happened to the ipad 3.They made a good device pretty, but slow.On a small screen most can't tell the difference in dvd quality and full hd.Both would look good but one would smoke the other with the same hardware doing other things. jmo
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The iPad 2 felt like a better experience because of the lower resolution. Most people couldn't even tell the two apart or correctly identify which was one or the other.
Resolution that high is retarded on a 10" screen. Waste of battery and resources.
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Keep in mind why the iPad has pointlessly high resolution. It wasn't that Apple wanted to provide an exceptional experience. It was that the underlying software wasn't designed for different screen sizes and proportions. They had a choice between redesigning the API combined with converting apps, or making the screen exactly double the number of pixels in each direction. Apple's big market advantage was the higher app count, and many apps wouldn't be converted to a new interface ("walking dead" / will never be updated). So they went with a hardware solution, and marketed the "retina display" as a plus rather than a work-around for a primitive API. (A replay of the Mac ROM holding back OS improvements.)
Ofcourse specs wise N10 wins..But N10 lacks some features like its only WIFI no 3G/2G !!! it will be tough for my country .
Hi, guys. I am interested in N10,but I am very curious about performance of N10. I know Samsung use an dual core based at ARM15, but its screen has a high resolution 2560x1400. Is its dual core really capable of such a high resolution? How about the performance of multiple tasking? Any lag? My current cellphone is Galaxy Note 2 that has a quad core chip, but it is not as fast as what I thought until I flash 4.4.2 ROM. Tell me your experience of using N10. Your comment would really help me make a good decision. By the way, the main purpose is to internet bowersing and watch movies which store on portable HDD. Thanks
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I have been running the Nexus 10 since it came out. No complaints here. I watch allot of Youtube video, news and sports videos, etc. Even runs better when I tether it off my 4G. Been testing latest 4.4.3 Roms available here at XDA. Not much difference over 4.4.2, runs good with either.
Good luck.
The cpu doesnt primarily drive the screen so it handles the big resolution screen very well. With browsing and watching movies its just fast. This thing is a beast when it comes to gaming because it has a kick ass gpu..
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Alexsandra said:
Hi, guys. I am interested in N10,but I am very curious about performance of N10. I know Samsung use an dual core based at ARM15, but its screen has a high resolution 2560x1400. Is its dual core really capable of such a high resolution? How about the performance of multiple tasking? Any lag? My current cellphone is Galaxy Note 2 that has a quad core chip, but it is not as fast as what I thought until I flash 4.4.2 ROM. Tell me your experience of using N10. Your comment would really help me make a good decision. By the way, the main purpose is to internet bowersing and watch movies which store on portable HDD. Thanks
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I agree with the two posts above mine. I've had this tablet for a few months, and never once has it felt slow or sluggish with anything I've thrown at it. This ain't your typical dual core. It's on par with my Nexus 5 and Nexus 7 (2013).
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The cpu doesnt primarily drive the screen so it handles the big resolution screen very well. With browsing and watching movies its just fast. This thing is a beast when it comes to gaming because it has a kick ass gpu..
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Great!
Hi,
Not only what the guys said above, to power the screen resolution, the GPU has 1GB allocated to it since 4.3 if I'm not wrong. So it's quite capable, just be careful when using many apps, the RAM is limited to only 1GB due to it. Even though I'm able to play many games and watch full HD videos with ease and comfort .
~Lord
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Great!
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As usual, the correct answer would be: "It depends!"
The Nexus 10 is the best Samsung could do at the time it came out.
Somehow both Google and Samsung felt compelled at the time to deliver something that would beat Apple at least on paper.
Truth is, it's a somewhat unbalanced device by today's standards.
A typical competitor today would probably have a Qualcom Snapdragon 800 or better and you'd notice the difference!
Generally CPU performance is still quite ok: More than 2 cores rarely make sense and these ARM 15 cores tend to have enough oomph for the sort of things you'd run on a tablet CPU. And the Exynos seems to be a close match to the Snapdragon, core by core.
So there, for all practical purposes, it won't feel much slower than a modern devices.
But the GPU can't quite deal with the resolution and even if it could, DRAM bandwidth would be the next barrier. So when you look for 3D game performance, the Nexus 10 can't quite keep up with what is out there these days.
Depending on your benchmark it may feel like a dog, but good games tailer themselves to what's available and even some 3D ones are actually ok.
Mine's most used for reading books, surfing, perhaps even some video, I'm also doing some writing (with BT keyboard/mouse) on it and that's all more than ok, especially when you want to flip forth and back between lots of web-sites and programs.
I'd say when you can get the Nexus 10 for cheap it's still pretty good, when you're ready to pay prime dollar, you'll find better even from Samsung.
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As usual, the correct answer would be: "It depends!"
The Nexus 10 is the best Samsung could do at the time it came out.
Somehow both Google and Samsung felt compelled at the time to deliver something that would beat Apple at least on paper.
Truth is, it's a somewhat unbalanced device by today's standards.
A typical competitor today would probably have a Qualcom Snapdragon 800 or better and you'd notice the difference!
Generally CPU performance is still quite ok: More than 2 cores rarely make sense and these ARM 15 cores tend to have enough oomph for the sort of things you'd run on a tablet CPU. And the Exynos seems to be a close match to the Snapdragon, core by core.
So there, for all practical purposes, it won't feel much slower than a modern devices.
But the GPU can't quite deal with the resolution and even if it could, DRAM bandwidth would be the next barrier. So when you look for 3D game performance, the Nexus 10 can't quite keep up with what is out there these days.
Depending on your benchmark it may feel like a dog, but good games tailer themselves to what's available and even some 3D ones are actually ok.
Mine's most used for reading books, surfing, perhaps even some video, I'm also doing some writing (with BT keyboard/mouse) on it and that's all more than ok, especially when you want to flip forth and back between lots of web-sites and programs.
I'd say when you can get the Nexus 10 for cheap it's still pretty good, when you're ready to pay prime dollar, you'll find better even from Samsung.
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I'd say this is a pretty fair assessment. GPU struggles with some modern apps such as Google maps, and even now Chrome isn't the best. I still use browser because its much smoother, and I also use the 'performance' CPU governor which locks the tablet to 1.7ghz and really helps responsiveness.
That being said, its still a really really nice tablet generally. If you're getting it for a good price you should be happy enough. I still love using mine nearly 2 years after buying it, and I'm comparing it to my snap 800 powered XZU. Its still a really nice screen, really nice design. Quick enough and battery life is not too bad these days either! (6 hours SOT easy with brightness at 35℅)
http://m.androidcentral.com/nvidia-announces-shield-tablet-k1-refreshed-model-new-low-price
Smart move I guess. Throw it in a different box and pretend it's new. Sounds like an htc stunt. This makes sense though, considering the battery issue with this model.
http://m.androidcentral.com/nvidia-...pdate-shield-tablet-k1-original-shield-tablet
But as of now we are confirmed for marshmallow probably after the holidays, which is all I really care about. I gotta have that marshmallow!
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Its technically still one of the best android tablets for CPU and GPU. I would of loved to have seen it with the Tegra X1 but with the tablet market not really strong, even apple is having issues with the market, I can understand not updating it.
It's truly seems to be one of the best performing tablets at this price point, i'am very interested in it vs Nexus 9, what would be your opinion? Only thing i'am concerned in is screen ratio, how good it is for e-book reading? And is there enough estate for general browsing? I own some pretty crappy Chinese 10" Onda tablet and looking for an upgrade. Though i don't know if i would use Shields gaming environment to the max.
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It's truly seems to be one of the best performing tablets at this price point, i'am very interested in it vs Nexus 9, what would be your opinion? Only thing i'am concerned in is screen ratio, how good it is for e-book reading? And is there enough estate for general browsing? I own some pretty crappy Chinese 10" Onda tablet and looking for an upgrade. Though i don't know if i would use Shields gaming environment to the max.
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As long as you know how to change the system DPI to 240 then its great, I personally hate the stock DPI that they put on it, with the stock DPI it literally just feels like an enlarged phone. But as soon as you change it to 240 then its great.
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It's truly seems to be one of the best performing tablets at this price point, i'am very interested in it vs Nexus 9, what would be your opinion? Only thing i'am concerned in is screen ratio, how good it is for e-book reading? And is there enough estate for general browsing? I own some pretty crappy Chinese 10" Onda tablet and looking for an upgrade. Though i don't know if i would use Shields gaming environment to the max.
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I use mine for reading books, specifically pdf books of networking materials, and it works really well for that. The screen is amazing for comics. The tablet is a gaming beast and not much can touch its gpu capabilities. Admittedly, I don't do much gaming but I did do a playthrough of ff9 with ePSXe without a HITCH. It's without a doubt a gaming beast when it comes to android devices.
A small comparison lists of the things that are different between Nexus 9 and Shield Tablet:
Nexus 9 vs Shield Tablet
Screen
Nexus: 8.9in, 2048x1536
Shield Tablet: 8in, 1920x1200
Expandable storage
Nexus: None
Shield Tablet: up to 128gb microsd card
Cpu:
Nexus: 64 bit
Shield tablet: 32 bit
GPU:
Same
Ram:
Same
Speakers:
Shield tablet wins hands down
Android updates:
Nexus still has at least 2 more years of android updates
Shield Tablet is getting marshmallow for sure but the next one after is more than likely but not guaranteed.
Fair warning though:
The custom roms on this device have audio issues that happen randomly and it can be annoying. I haven't found a rom that don't have this issue, some are worst than others. There hasn't been a solution to it either from what I've seen.
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The nexus 9 has a better resolution, 2048x1536 vs the 1920x1200 on the shield. The CPUs are a 64bit 2.3Ghz dual core on the N9 and a 32bit 2.2 Quad on the ST. I haven't used an N9 so I can't really add anymore than that.
The shield has an SD card slot, front facing speakers, and wide screen. I read ebooks all the time on the shield and think it's perfect for that. The nexus might get slightly better battery life, but not much more. I was deciding between the two and picked the shield because with the thinner screen I can type very well with my thumbs. My 10.1 tablet is just too big to type on. I imagine with the wider screen the nexus would have that same problem. I would buy the shield for 300 bucks right now if I didn't own one so at 200 it's a steal.
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And what about x32 vs x64 on Nexus, though dual core? What is the future of it? Is it possible that at some point after a year Nexus will have better performance because of x64?
Probably when all tablet and smartphone are x64...they, maybe, developera start to create app that take advantage of x64 CPU...
But there is the possibility that they start to use gpgpu even on smartphone and this is an advantage for tegra hardware
Nobody knows...
Yeah it's hard to say. But at 200 bucks the shield blows away anything in its price range. And I much prefer the wide screen and front facing speakers. I spent a lot of time debating the nexus and the shield in my head and I just didn't want a 4:3 and I really wanted an SD card slot.
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And what about x32 vs x64 on Nexus, though dual core? What is the future of it? Is it possible that at some point after a year Nexus will have better performance because of x64?
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They're equal for multicore performance but the single core performance is much stronger with the 64bit variant. In everyday use, you won't notice it.
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They're equal for multicore performance but the single core performance is much stronger with the 64bit variant. In everyday use, you won't notice it.
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Thats the thing, most of the users of this tablet use it for gaming. Its a shame the new tablet doesn't have 64bit, but at least it is worth the price.
According to this benchmarks seems like if i would not care about Shield PC streaming or exclusive game in pure performance Nexus is doing better? As i see single core almost 2x better and this would be utilized most in applications not optimized for multi-core? And multi-core is around the same level...
But maybe Marshmallow on Shield could bring another results.
I wait for Shield Tablet 2
Had both, but sold the N9 some weeks ago. My problem with it was, i play a lot WOT Blitz and on the Nexus with max graphics the fps drops from 60 to between 50 and 35 after some minutes of gaming. But the Shield Tab stays most of the time on 60fps and if it drops its still between 50-60 fps and this with maxed out Graphics!
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Had both, but sold the N9 some weeks ago. My problem with it was, i play a lot WOT Blitz and on the Nexus with max graphics the fps drops from 60 to between 50 and 35 after some minutes of gaming. But the Shield Tab stays most of the time on 60fps and if it drops its still between 50-60 fps and this with maxed out Graphics!
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That's pretty interesting, nexus and shield tablet have the same gpu.
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That's pretty interesting, nexus and shield tablet have the same gpu.
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Nexus 9 put more pressure on GPU with higher screen resolution and use a dual core CPU
Anyone who has the K1 can you answer some questions for me?
Does your bottom speaker move? i noticed earlier that I can make it click by pressing on it lightly :S also is there only 1 speaker behind each grill? the speaker on the top I can feel the vibration of how loud it is but the bottom one I can't.
Think it's faulty but that's why i'm asking.
faulty