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[Q] Why I am not enthusiastic about HTC One (M7)

I think there have been numerous discussions about how the lack of SD card storage and removable battery made it a deal-breaker for a small % of people not to buy HTC One. In all honesty, as much as I love HTC phones (the last three smartphones were all HTC) and want to support them, I haven't been as excited about getting the new HTC phone since I heard those 2 features won't be included.
Now..reading one of the post on the impact of not including SD card storage in this forum, I can understand some of the reasons why it is not that important. You now have a base 32gb internal storage, although a little less than that because of the OS installed. That is not bad. If you don't put much video files or your whole music collection, you probably won't fill it up. Still...nice to have extra storage available to store your files offline. Some say use Cloud Storage but that requires a wireless connection, drains your battery life faster and use up your data limit if you are not using WiFi. Nice to have all your files handy without depending on all of those conditions. What about USB OTG? Now this would the option that I would use extensively if a day comes that all smartphone no longer have memory card storage but let's face it, another wire to carry with you.
In terms of non-removable battery, this is probably a bigger peeve with me than the lack of sd card storage. By using a design with non-removable battery, HTC is limiting the life of the phone that I spend money to own. I understand that most people purchase a new phone every two years anyway. Heck, that is why I am looking at what new phones are available this year when my contract is up mid-year. But...I can still keep my EVO3D without worrying about the degrading battery efficiency/life. If I need to, I can buy a new battery and switch it out. In fact, after a year and a half of owning my EVO 3D I am noticing an appreciable decrease in the efficiency of my battery. Now some might say why even keep an old phone? For one, an older phone might have a useful feature that a newer phone doesn't have. I still have my HTC Touch Pro 2 because it is a world-phone. Whenever I travel out of country, I pulled it out and plug in the battery and now I have a cell phone while I am traveling. In case I damage my EVO3D before my contract is up, I also have a backup phone available. Beside that reason, a phone with a removable battery has a better resale value to someone who doesn't have to worry about a dead non-replaceable battery if they buy it. Finally to someone who drains their phone with heavy use, they can easily swap out for another charged battery.
I guess what it comes down to is "choice". Do I want a phone that limits my options but have pretty display, nice camera, great sound and fast performance (arguably HTC's newest phone won't corner the market on these features and that other flagship phones will come close to these specs). Does HTC know best when it comes to understanding the features that the user need and don't need? I thought I chose Android over Apple because I would have more control/option/choice? Isn't HTC behaving more like Apple?
I am sure I am over-dramatizing things but...I was disappointed with the direction that HTC is heading. I will probably get use to it if I have no choice but to pick this phone but I would have love it if I didn't have to be force into it.
I think HTC One is a great phone and it certainly looks good but I might not buy it. What do everyone else think? Are my misgivings valid or should I just get with the times and learn to accept that the future is no sd card storage and non-removable battery? I am honestly curious as to people's opinion on the matter and how some people have either adapted cheerfully or grudingly.

I hear they are using a new type of battery in the One. I read somewhere that it will last longer. It could be somewhere in the mega thread.
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Their is also a 64gb variant for the device. I'm not sure if you already knew.
But I do understand where you are coming from. I used to be in the same boat as you.
I've come to realize that not having an sdcard slot shouldn't stop me from having a great device. I will just have to adapt. I'm already familiar with otg, so that's the route I'm going to take with the one before I fully commint to cloud storage.
As for the battery, I never cared. I always take my charger with me and can charge anywhere.
But this is what I chose to do. I know a lot of people that can't just simply make that change. That's why I'm going for the one but I also believe sdcard slots should still have a spot in mobile devices. I myself don't think cloud storage can completely replace sdcard.
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Did this require a new thread? Surely these "issues" have been covered to death. You could even go have a good read on the hox threads, it was all covered extensively a year ago as well.
As you say, you have a choice anyway.
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I am sad about no SD card since the Chinese version includes a micro sd slot.
However, battery isn't so much of a concern. If there is 1 flaw of the DHD its the Battery cover. I am willing to sacrifice not being able to remove the battery if it means a sturdier handset.
I don't think non-removable batteries are a big deal - if they were, iphones wouldn't be selling as well as they are

being a cheaply made plastic piece of sh*t is higher up my list of pet peeves than missing SD slot and removable battery.

Lithium-ion batteries start degrading the moment they leave the factory. So buying a "new" battery doesn't always give you the perfect battery you got when you bought the device. Batteries from older devices come often from older stock. So degraded already.
HTC can always replace your battery when needed or you can do it yousrelf after warranty by lifting the screen and buy the parts on eBay.
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/everyday-tech/lithium-ion-battery.htm

Add to this HTC's reluctance to release all things necessary for S-Off and functional components like Wifi etc... and I'll pass. Hopefully their tune changes, but based on my past experience, they're not really dev friendly until they prove otherwise.

Maedhros said:
I am sad about no SD card since the Chinese version includes a micro sd slot.
However, battery isn't so much of a concern. If there is 1 flaw of the DHD its the Battery cover. I am willing to sacrifice not being able to remove the battery if it means a sturdier handset.
I don't think non-removable batteries are a big deal - if they were, iphones wouldn't be selling as well as they are
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That version of HTC One for China Mobile in precise coded as TD101 does have SDcard. However, the carrier opt it with current set of HTC imanging components (8MP) instead of new ultrapixel (4M) and will only put on sale starting July.

coupetastic-droid said:
Their is also a 64gb variant for the device. I'm not sure if you already knew.
But I do understand where you are coming from. I used to be in the same boat as you.
I've come to realize that not having an sdcard slot shouldn't stop me from having a great device. I will just have to adapt. I'm already familiar with otg, so that's the route I'm going to take with the one before I fully commint to cloud storage.
As for the battery, I never cared. I always take my charger with me and can charge anywhere.
But this is what I chose to do. I know a lot of people that can't just simply make that change. That's why I'm going for the one but I also believe sdcard slots should still have a spot in mobile devices. I myself don't think cloud storage can completely replace sdcard.
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Thanks for your comment. I imagine that if there is no better alternative that I will get use to it as well. I probably won't even care about these "issues" once I start using a phone that doesn't have these features for awhile.

charlatan01 said:
Add to this HTC's reluctance to release all things necessary for S-Off and functional components like Wifi etc... and I'll pass. Hopefully their tune changes, but based on my past experience, they're not really dev friendly until they prove otherwise.
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What? Surely they will never release (officially or not) s-off related things. Not really wanted to went thorough into this issue here..
Related about the Wifi source blame those suppliers who cares their patented techs, even several Nexus suffered from this. But I wouldn't defend them as usually late on releasing kernel sources.

By no means is htc one a perfect phone and I don't think htc intended it to be either. However having said that it's the best out there by far, ok there is S4 waiting to be launched. Yes S4 will have some software tweaks like eye scrolling(gimmick) but it will be Plastic, cheap nasty plastic,
Yes htc one would be better with sd card but i can live without that however plastic is a completely different story.

Samsung Galaxy SIII - Maximum storage 32GB + 64GB - 96GB total with removable battery
LG Optimus G - Maximum storage 16GB + 64GB - 80GB total (AT&T version) with no removable battery
HTC One - Maximum storage 64GB total with no removable battery
Xperia Z - Maximum storage 16GB + 32GB - 48GB total with no removable battery
If you're looking for a premium Android phone with more storage than the One and a removable battery you'll be limited to one premium phone. Lets face it, these four flagship phones are arguably the best available today. I think the arguments for an sdcard and removable battery are weak, especially given that some of the best phones out today have no removable battery and storage capacity is increasing every year. I don't think these are any reasons to completely disregard a phone.

If you don't adapt now you will mostly like have to down the road as it seems to be the trend now to make phones with non-removable batteries and no sd card slots. But I get what your saying I had the same thinking when I got the iPhone but after a couple hours I didn't really care anymore lol. So getting the ONE without those things don't bother me at all.
I'm ready to go back to android, I miss all the customization and for me at least the ONE seems perfect!

riz157 said:
By no means is htc one a perfect phone and I don't think htc intended it to be either. However having said that it's the best out there by far, ok there is S4 waiting to be launched. Yes S4 will have some software tweaks like eye scrolling(gimmick) but it will be Plastic, cheap nasty plastic, Yes htc one would be better with sd card but i can live without that however plastic is a completely different story.
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You managed to use the word "plastic" three times in two sentences. 90% of HTC's phones are plastic too including their last two flagships the One X/L and DNA/Butterfly. HTC's track record for build quality and QC is no better than Samsung's with the Sensation(s) and Teg3 One X being particularly spotty. The One's a beautiful phone; perhaps the most attractive HTC's ever built. But just because Samsung uses plastic doesn't mean their device's aren't as well built and durable as HTC's. The inner-assembly of both the SGS3 and N2 are magnesium which is more expensive than aluminum but lighter and stronger. If "cheap" was the end game they could have used aluminum or even plastic because no one sees the part anyway. In other words, plastic used to enhance manufacturing accuracy and provide access to a removable battery shouldn't be confused with quality. And by sacrificing a removable battery, HTC has design and material options Samsung doesn't. I totally get that some people prefer the look and feel of HTC’s devices. But the fact Samsung outsold HTC 10:1 in 2012 means either the entire world's mad or there's more to design and the perception of quality than the difference between one brand's "plastic" (or now, aluminum) and another's. And the reason you see so few metal-backed devices isn't cost; it's because aluminum and wireless signals don't mix. The jury's still out on how well voice, Wi-Fi, BT, GPS, and NFC work alone and in tandem on the One based on antenna placement HTC's using that's never been attempted before.
Here's what happens to last year's flagship when the pretty matte finish applied to the polycarbonate shell experiences any type of abrasion.
And here's what happened to the partially-metal (plastic over the antennas) black One S that HTC tried a new Micro Arc Oxidization coating on.
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Like I said, the One’s probably the best looking device that’s been announced so far this year. HTC’s done some bold things with its design (all-aluminum, 4MP vs. 13MP camera, 4.7” vs. 5” display, dual-front speakers) that have yet to be proven. Let’s celebrate the One’s success after an effective and trouble free launch and it’s been in people’s hands for a few weeks/months.

Note: I currently have a AT&T Galaxy S II, so I might sound a bit biased.
I've been going through this forum for the past couple days because my contract ends in April and I find the HTC One really attractive, at least in some aspects (only two capacitive buttons and software are the low points for me). When I see a large amount of people saying that "plastic is crap" or "who needs batteries and sd cards? they're useless" I kind of agree. But these people also fail to realize, in my opinion, how sturdy plastic is compared to other things. Glass is terrible, I don't think anyone needs to be told that (I'm looking at you, Apple). Aluminum seems nice, but I've had iPod Touches in the past that scratch really badly on the back just from normal use, to the point where I couldn't even stand to use them without a case anymore. (I doubt that the HTC One will do this, however--it doesn't seem to be the same glossy stuff Apple used.) Not to mention with aluminum, you still have to use windows for antennas, at least up until now. My Galaxy S II is the first phone I have used without a case or screen protector.. I have dropped it many times, on carpet, wood, even concrete. Other than a few scratches on the screen, it's pretty much fine. From what I've seen with the S III, it's pretty much the same.
As for SD card, I know many people who fill up their phones a lot. Up until recently, I only used about at max 8 gigs of the 16 gigs in my phone. Same goes for my Nexus 7. However, as time goes on, I've noticed that I've used more and more of the space. Now I only have 3 gigs free on my Nexus 7 and 5 on my S II. It's these type of situations that MicroSD cards are useful.
Finally, as for battery, most people say that they like it because it adds longevity to the device. My main reason for liking it is for hard resets. Sure, you can just hold down the power button for 30 seconds or so, but a battery pull is easier. On top of this, the power button on my Nexus 7 is a bit iffy at times. It can be hard to hold down the power button for 30 seconds when I have to hold it a certain way to make sure it works. It would be absolutely terrible if it stopped working all together.
TL;DR Plastic may seem cheap but is super sturdy; MicroSD cards are still useful and removable batteries can be used for battery pulls.

I think there no need more than 32 gb. And battery i have a s3 and never trade a battery. I like of android of HTC i espect no blootware
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RJEvans said:
Samsung Galaxy SIII - Maximum storage 32GB + 64GB - 96GB total with removable battery
LG Optimus G - Maximum storage 16GB + 64GB - 80GB total (AT&T version) with no removable battery
HTC One - Maximum storage 64GB total with no removable battery
Xperia Z - Maximum storage 16GB + 32GB - 48GB total with no removable battery
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No. The Xperia Z can take a 64GB memory card (you just have to reformat it) and the One is currently only available (in most territories) with 32GB; it will likely be several months before the 64GB version arrives, if it ever does.
That changes the arithmetic a little, and the arrival of the GS4 will likely change it again.

BarryH_GEG said:
You managed to use the word "plastic" three times in two sentences. 90% of HTC's phones are plastic too including their last two flagships the One X/L and DNA/Butterfly. HTC's track record for build quality and QC is no better than Samsung's with the Sensation(s) and Teg3 One X being particularly spotty. The One's a beautiful phone; perhaps the most attractive HTC's ever built. But just because Samsung uses plastic doesn't mean their device's aren't as well built and durable as HTC's. The inner-assembly of both the SGS3 and N2 are magnesium which is more expensive than aluminum but lighter and stronger. If "cheap" was the end game they could have used aluminum or even plastic because no one sees the part anyway. In other words, plastic used to enhance manufacturing accuracy and provide access to a removable battery shouldn't be confused with quality. And by sacrificing a removable battery, HTC has design and material options Samsung doesn't. I totally get that some people prefer the look and feel of HTC’s devices. But the fact Samsung outsold HTC 10:1 in 2012 means either the entire world's mad or there's more to design and the perception of quality than the difference between one brand's "plastic" (or now, aluminum) and another's. And the reason you see so few metal-backed devices isn't cost; it's because aluminum and wireless signals don't mix. The jury's still out on how well voice, Wi-Fi, BT, GPS, and NFC work alone and in tandem on the One based on antenna placement HTC's using that's never been attempted before.
Here's what happens to last year's flagship when the pretty matte finish applied to the polycarbonate shell experiences any type of abrasion.
And here's what happened to the partially-metal (plastic over the antennas) black One S that HTC tried a new Micro Arc Oxidization coating on.
Like I said, the One’s probably the best looking device that’s been announced so far this year. HTC’s done some bold things with its design (all-aluminum, 4MP vs. 13MP camera, 4.7” vs. 5” display, dual-front speakers) that have yet to be proven. Let’s celebrate the One’s success after an effective and trouble free launch and it’s been in people’s hands for a few weeks/months.
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Wtf? Did you run a belt sander over that?
I have the dna and the back is fine. And numerous friends at work have the s3. Lot of cool things about it but please don't compare the plastic on Samsung phones to the one x or the dna. Not even close.
Also I do not use a case.
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BarryH_GEG said:
You managed to use the word "plastic" three times in two sentences. 90% of HTC's phones are plastic too including their last two flagships the One X/L and DNA/Butterfly. HTC's track record for build quality and QC is no better than Samsung's with the Sensation(s) and Teg3 One X being particularly spotty. The One's a beautiful phone; perhaps the most attractive HTC's ever built. But just because Samsung uses plastic doesn't mean their device's aren't as well built and durable as HTC's. The inner-assembly of both the SGS3 and N2 are magnesium which is more expensive than aluminum but lighter and stronger. If "cheap" was the end game they could have used aluminum or even plastic because no one sees the part anyway. In other words, plastic used to enhance manufacturing accuracy and provide access to a removable battery shouldn't be confused with quality. And by sacrificing a removable battery, HTC has design and material options Samsung doesn't. I totally get that some people prefer the look and feel of HTC’s devices. But the fact Samsung outsold HTC 10:1 in 2012 means either the entire world's mad or there's more to design and the perception of quality than the difference between one brand's "plastic" (or now, aluminum) and another's. And the reason you see so few metal-backed devices isn't cost; it's because aluminum and wireless signals don't mix. The jury's still out on how well voice, Wi-Fi, BT, GPS, and NFC work alone and in tandem on the One based on antenna placement HTC's using that's never been attempted before.
Here's what happens to last year's flagship when the pretty matte finish applied to the polycarbonate shell experiences any type of abrasion.
And here's what happened to the partially-metal (plastic over the antennas) black One S that HTC tried a new Micro Arc Oxidization coating on.
Like I said, the One’s probably the best looking device that’s been announced so far this year. HTC’s done some bold things with its design (all-aluminum, 4MP vs. 13MP camera, 4.7” vs. 5” display, dual-front speakers) that have yet to be proven. Let’s celebrate the One’s success after an effective and trouble free launch and it’s been in people’s hands for a few weeks/months.
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Samsung are brilliant at marketing their product, miles ahead of htc. The funds at their disposal are phenomenal, poor htc just can't compete with them. They managed to convince consumers to buy their product, i was one of them who was convinced. So basically selling more doesn't necessarily equate to quality or better product.
Last year was definitely Samsung's year their products were better and more innovative in some ways then most other phones. However that doesn't distract from the fact the S3 note 2 were probably most fragile also and to boot do mark up very very easily( back front sides) purely due to poor choice of material used. I should know I've owned both and sold both within months due to the plastic crap finish. I just couldn't look at anymore after the release of iPhone 5.
Note 2 screen is the poorest I've seen last year biggest disappointment about the phone no matter how well it sold you just can't get over that fact. To be honest i was also swept away by the advertisement, brilliant marketing by Samsung and prefer big screens.
I also bought hox which is also plastic build but compare the design and durability of the two you know which would survive a fall and doesn't look plasticky :silly:.
Last year I went for ext memory, removable battery, poor design, fragile product and crap looking plastic = S3 note 2.
This year my preference is good solid build, quality, design, material, innovative software = HTC One.

Why I'm returning my G5, after 5 days

In short, the G5 feels poor, for a flagship. I knew about some of these issues beforehand but I didn't think they would bother me as much. I've never returned a phone before.
I'm coming to it from a Samsung S6 Edge and iPhone 6. I can include the Nexus 5 and even the HTC One X in here too. They all felt a lot better, smoother and cleaner.
I wanted the G5 + Hi-Fi Plus to replace the phone + audio player combination I've gotten used to (most recently, Sony Walkman NWZ-ZX2).
I still haven't received my Hi-Fi Plus. But even if it was great (it is essential, for me), it wouldn't make up for everything else.
It feels like there is a lip when you swipe from the side of the screen. It's not smooth glass like an iPhone, S6/S7 Edge, or Nexus 5. It doesn't feel nice.
The chrome trim around the back has hideous gaps. The bottom of the phone doesn't align along perfectly along the sides. I think this is shocking in this day and age. I can imagine Steve Jobs slapping you in the face if you tried to release something like this at Apple.
The fingerprint scanner doesn't always work and seems to be worse than my iPhone and the S6 Edge.
The battery life is mediocre, even without always-on display. With lighter than average use I can go a day. I would expect this to be reduced with the Hi-Fi Plus. I don't want to carry two batteries and I don't want to be swapping batteries until this one becomes suboptimal. But by that time I will probably want a new device.
The supposedly metal body feels like plastic, so what's the point of it? It's not as though plastic phones fall apart or melt in time. Moreover, this prevents wireless charging.
Audio quality through the standard headphone socket is dull. The fact that something can play 24-bit audio doesn't mean it will sound great.
The tapered top of the phone means that I can't use a screen protector. In the long term, this is not a good idea, especially without a case.
The fact that the Hi-Fi Plus makes it a little bigger means that I can't use a case.
I think I'll get the HTC 10 when it's released, because the S7 Edge isn't a worthwhile upgrade over a 128GB S6 Edge.

I had similar build quality concerns. You can actually see some of these things in review photos and videos of you know what you are looking for. A friend of mine has already exchanged his first G5 due to build quality.
BTW, what does the M10 have over the S7E that makes it worth the upgrade and the S7E not? Just curious.

Wow, I've had a totally different experience. My build quality is perfect much to my surprise. The seams along the modular edge are spot on. The fingerprint scanner is spot on. Faster than my S7 and on par with the Nexus 6P.
The screen lies smooth to the side and I like the curved top and bottom as I really don't use screen protectors anymore. The gaps on the chrome are antenna lines, at least they are not all over the phone. As far the finish it's a coating. I like it as it has better grip than my S7 edge or any metal/glass phone and I have no blemishes thankfully.
I can't comment on the headphone audio as I use LG Tones and the sound has been great coming from Bluetooth.
As far as the M10 it will be no where near as good as the S7 or even this. Why? Because HTC has lost its identity and produces a mismosh of tech. Smaller screen, added a home button and remove its defining feature the front facing speakers. Blah. Ill skip it.
I'm sure Steve Jobs has already rolled over in his grave with the crap Apple has been pushing out for the last few years. Innovation stopped with his illness and unfortunate death. They have been far too stagnant. From antenna gate to bending phones to buggy os releases there are plenty of bad quality control issues at Apple, no company is exempt.
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Well to be fair to the HTC 10 it presumably will have a better DAC in it than the stock SD820 DAC that the S7 and G5 has. But at the same time the SD DAC which has been notoriously awful over the years is much improved. Definitely good enough for most people or cheap gym headphones. I would also give a slight nod to Sense over touchwiz and LGs new abomination of an iphone setup.

I am Coming from the HTC m7 and htc models before the m7, after one week i am still fascinated from the design and the quality of the the G5. Battery is ok could be better but ok. i am not more then 24 h away from a power supply and can still use some powerbanks on tours. the Launcher i use for years now is Lightning Launcher so i never have to care bout sense or other original used launchers by the manufacturer of my phone. till now the phone is top for me.
let me see if the sound module can beat the boomsound of HTC and if it will get rooted for some framework and so on.

For me, the back seam is not straight in terms of height. The seams along the side don't align either.
I think in part I'm used to devices impressing me in the hand. The One X felt amazing. The Nexus 5 felt very clean. The S6 Edge looked fantastic (although the Edge was pointless).
These things wouldn't bother me so much if I kept the phone in a case, but this won't happen.
Even without sound quality considerations, I much prefer the S7/Edge/HTC 10. I can get a separate DAP (I'm considering Onkyo DP-X1 but waiting for it be released in Europe, for warranty reasons).

The one clear advantage of the HTC 10, for me, is that you can use the microSD for app storage. I found that I'd used up all the space on the G5 after saving a lot of Spotify music for offline access. It felt like a step backwards from a 128GB S6 Edge in this regard.

Mines perfect. I adore this device. Sorry to hear your device sucked.
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Bye, and dont let the door hit you in the arse on your way out.

If you're that much of an audiophile.... I don't even know why you'd consider a phone to play audio. Just my 0.02.
Fingerprint scanner is spot on for me.. Even when I'm dirty at work, it still picks it up. My S6 Edge+ would pick it up 10% of the time when my hands were clean.
Sure, I went through 8 G5's before I settled. Is this one flawless? No. It's slightly off flush. Do I care? Not really... It's in a case.
Do I expect perfect QC for a $700 phone? Sure. But it's not going to happen until manufacturing returns to this country. Will that happen? Nope.
Overall, I'm loving this phone. Displays nice, clear, and smooth. UI is great... Probably moving back to nova, but the styling and icons are beautiful. The grip without a case is great for a metal phone. Due to the coating, for sure.
It just feels and looks nicer than the S6 and S7 IMO. Had the M10 not had a physical home button, I would've considered it. Nothing says classy like a buttonless face.
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Rauch said:
If you're that much of an audiophile.... I don't even know why you'd consider a phone to play audio. Just my 0.02.
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Because its not asking too much to want above average quality without having to carry multiple devices. Im not expecting it to rvial my fiio x3 but it should at least be passable for the gym etc.
Rauch said:
ISure, I went through 8 G5's before I settled. Is this one flawless? No. It's slightly off flush. Do I care? Not really... It's in a case.
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You went through 8 then immediately claim you dont care? Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself that you dont care not us.
Rauch said:
IDo I expect perfect QC for a $700 phone? Sure. But it's not going to happen until manufacturing returns to this country. Will that happen? Nope.
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I know right, it really sucked when they stopped making smartphones here right? Whats that? They have never been made here? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Really though, how can you even try that excuse? The G5 is made the same way the s7/iphone is made. Cheap asian labor but you dont see these issues plaguing them do you? This notion that made in china = garbage is so ignorant and shortsighted. It dont matter where its made the manufacturer can set the quality standards its like this in every country no matter what they are making.

Exactly. I don't want to carry two devices all the time. Especially in the summer.
The Hi-Fi Plus could make the G5 compete with DAPs that cost roughly the same.
The ZX2 was good but it was stuck on Android 4.2. The DP-X1 is still not forthcoming for me. So I need something. I sold the S6 Edge and my iPhone doesn't have enough memory for much music.
Yes, some of these issues are due to quality control. Others are just very bad design choices.
I'm still having problems with the fingerprint scanner. I tried rescanning carefully but it hasn't improved.
I'm also a little sceptical about the fast charging estimates. I think they're underestimated.

Aeneas said:
The one clear advantage of the HTC 10, for me, is that you can use the microSD for app storage. I found that I'd used up all the space on the G5 after saving a lot of Spotify music for offline access. It felt like a step backwards from a 128GB S6 Edge in this regard.
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I hope you know that one can change storage too sd card thou: In spotify go to settings > scroll down to storage > choose sd card
And problem solved!

notinterested said:
Because its not asking too much to want above average quality without having to carry multiple devices. Im not expecting it to rvial my fiio x3 but it should at least be passable for the gym etc.
You went through 8 then immediately claim you dont care? Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself that you dont care not us.
I know right, it really sucked when they stopped making smartphones here right? Whats that? They have never been made here? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Really though, how can you even try that excuse? The G5 is made the same way the s7/iphone is made. Cheap asian labor but you dont see these issues plaguing them do you? This notion that made in china = garbage is so ignorant and shortsighted. It dont matter where its made the manufacturer can set the quality standards its like this in every country no matter what they are making.
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If quality of music is your biggest concern at the gym, you've got some other issues at hand. You should become more focused on your workout and sweating away that fat instead of worrying how good your music sounds.
Yeah, I went through 8 because the moment you pull them out of the box the flaws were that noticeable. Beyond that, no big deal.
Ignorant and short sighted? No. Compare tools made in China vs. Made in america, germany, or Spain. Big difference. Or more importantly - copper and steel pipe and fittings. Tell me there's no quality difference between something made with cheap labor vs. Something made here. The fact I can crack a 2" black iron fitting with an 18" pipe wrench is enough to see there is a difference. Than you factor in dimensions and threading differences.... Get out in the real world and realize there is a huge quality difference between cheap labor and expensive labor.
Oh, I'm sorry.... Did you forget about about the admitted iphone 5S manufacturing defects? Could be sworn there was something wrong with the 6's as well!
Open your eyes kiddo.
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Rauch said:
If quality of music is your biggest concern at the gym, you've got some other issues at hand. You should become more focused on your workout and sweating away that fat instead of worrying how good your music sounds.
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What? That makes no sense AT ALL... Music is a motivator, when your music sounds like ass its a distraction. You must not go to the gym.
Rauch said:
Ignorant and short sighted? No. Compare tools made in China vs. Made in america, germany, or Spain. Big difference. Or more importantly - copper and steel pipe and fittings. Tell me there's no quality difference between something made with cheap labor vs. Something made here. The fact I can crack a 2" black iron fitting with an 18" pipe wrench is enough to see there is a difference. Than you factor in dimensions and threading differences.... Get out in the real world and realize there is a huge quality difference between cheap labor and expensive labor.
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Thats a cute analogy ill give you another one.
Compare the iphone and the galaxy s7 to the G5. All are made in the same place 2 are considered to be very well made one has problems like crazy.
get out in the real world and realize all phones are made in cheap asian countries and only one has these glaring issues and you will see a flawed design for what it is. Your argument holds no water whatsoever.
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Oh, I'm sorry.... Did you forget about about the admitted iphone 5S manufacturing defects? Could be sworn there was something wrong with the 6's as well!
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You must be joking right? Those where design flaws antennagate was bad design not bad production. The iphone 6 bending was bad design not bad production.
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Open your eyes kiddo.
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Open my eyes? Your argument is that the G5 is messed up because its "made in china" every other smartphone on the planet is too and they are just fine... Stop being so stubbornly ignorant.

BudaBang said:
I hope you know that one can change storage too sd card thou: In spotify go to settings > scroll down to storage > choose sd card
And problem solved!
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Lol. I was going to say that.
But yes g5 has micro sd slot.
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notinterested said:
What? That makes no sense AT ALL... Music is a motivator, when your music sounds like ass its a distraction. You must not go to the gym.
Thats a cute analogy ill give you another one.
Compare the iphone and the galaxy s7 to the G5. All are made in the same place 2 are considered to be very well made one has problems like crazy.
get out in the real world and realize all phones are made in cheap asian countries and only one has these glaring issues and you will see a flawed design for what it is. Your argument holds no water whatsoever.
You must be joking right? Those where design flaws antennagate was bad design not bad production. The iphone 6 bending was bad design not bad production.
Open my eyes? Your argument is that the G5 is messed up because its "made in china" every other smartphone on the planet is too and they are just fine... Stop being so stubbornly ignorant.
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Bro, you make some solid points

Baxter you know I don't speak Spanish.

Aeneas said:
The one clear advantage of the HTC 10, for me, is that you can use the microSD for app storage. I found that I'd used up all the space on the G5 after saving a lot of Spotify music for offline access. It felt like a step backwards from a 128GB S6 Edge in this regard.
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Spotify - How to store cache on external SD
People should learn how to use google.
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Wow, lots of people managed to do something you couldn't.

Sound isn't that bad, I listened to a few tracks quickly on spotify on my sennheisers and it was on par with other phones I've tested.
Could be tweaked a bit with viper when we get root but I'm satisfied.
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The pixel is not actually over priced!

at first I was very upset for the price of the pixel and although I got a great deal on this phone (580$).
I honestly think that this phone is worth 750$ for the right consumer.
this is why I think is not over priced. I owned a bunch of smartphones including all the latest flagships, s7edge.note7,one plus3, lg v20, nexus, 6p, iPhone 7, and many more. and one thing I noticed that everyone says the pixel doesn't offer much for its price. example it doesn't have a dual edge, or a 2nd screen at the top, is not water resistant, doesn't have ir blaster, or dual front facing speakers. people feel like they are paying for just a plain basic phone! which is correct! on mys s7edge I ended up hating the stupid edge screen accidental touches were becoming a norm. the edge panel is turned off by majority of users so other than esthetics imo is useless, lg v20 2nd display yes is convenient and pretty cool but the only major used I have is to use the torch, most of the times I still landlocked the phone to do task that I could of done from the 2bd display. plus is very inconvenient is placed all the way at the top and the lg v20 is not a small phone.
to summarize this the pixel is a plain android phone without any useless gimmicks that other manufactures are using. could they have added a few more features. yes perhaps water resistant and dual front facing speakers would have been nice. but just the fluid pure android experience on this phone defiantly makes it worth its premium price.
again this is personal my opinion and I would enjoy to see what you guys think after owning the pixel!

Every phone is missing something. From Samsung missing proper long term updates, iPhone missing some hardware features, to Pixel missing hardware features. It's up to the consumer to decide which checkboxes are more important. I think all the hate on the phone comes from people expecting the Pixel to check off every box a consumer would want at the same price point the competition is at, even though they are all missing something as well. Business doesn't work that way.

AndrasLOHF said:
Every phone is missing something. From Samsung missing proper long term updates, iPhone missing some hardware features, to Pixel missing hardware features. It's up to the consumer to decide which checkboxes are more important. I think all the hate on the phone comes from people expecting the Pixel to check off every box a consumer would want at the same price point the competition is at, even though they are all missing something as well. Business doesn't work that way.
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What hardware features is the pixel missing? front facing speakers?

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What hardware features is the pixel missing? front facing speakers?
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That's they only thing I would have really liked never really cared for bottom frieing speakers, waterproofing would have been cool ... And maybe a physical home button but I know that's not really a feature many care about .... None of which takes away from it being a nice phone ..... I think all phones are a bit over priced lol, price is subject anyway the only person who needs to worry about it is the one who's buying it and if it's too much they have the choice to get something cheaper

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That's they only thing I would have really liked never really cared for bottom frieing speakers, waterproofing would have been cool ... And maybe a physical home button but I know that's not really a feature many care about .... None of which takes away from it being a nice phone ..... I think all phones are a bit over priced lol, price is subject anyway the only person who needs to worry about it is the one who's buying it and if it's too much they have the choice to get something cheaper
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I personallt prefer on screen buttons rather than hardware. people say you get more screen real state but I I actually enjoy the on screen better. although my biggest let down was the two speakers which I feel like they should have put there. other than that the phone is just what I wanted. stock, and lighting fast!

I mostly agree, this phone performs like no other. It should be 64gb base storage however.

robber said:
I mostly agree, this phone performs like no other. It should be 64gb base storage however.
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oh yes that's a big one!! DEFINETLY base should of been 64GB..
but Google is smart most people went 128GBB which is exactly what they hoped for.. I believe that's why they limited the base model to 32GB and try to make up with unlimited storage.

You forgot no sd card slot which pretty much the only other flagship phone that also does not have one is iphone. Also you forgot about no OIS which is one thing a lot of people were upset about.
My biggest things for me is no sd card slot, and a one single mono speaker, not just that its not dual front speakers, that it is just only one speaker. They could have made the audio a lot better if they copied the Htc 10 boomsound dual speakers which are not front facing but they sound a lot better than the pixel xl's single speaker.
I never would have paid full price for my 32 gig pixel xl, well actually I did but I got a $200 best buy gift card in the deal, and a free chromecast yes lol woo hoo a free old model chromecast when the new 4k version is out already lol.

I wanted a pixel, it's the best android smartphone period. I am using iPhone 7 Plus for about 3 weeks now, and I love it, It's worth the money, it offers tech, that no other competitors does yet, and even if they did, without google implementation it will suck. They should have started this year with a little bit lower price, considering the large unnecessary chin and all the other features they ignored. Next year with iPhone 8 google must really bring their A game.
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For me the premium price pays for all the tiny attention to detail points on the phone. I love all the little optimisations that culminate into the bigger picture. Custom CPU tuning with Qualcomm, camera ISP tweaks, touchscreen latency, fantastic build quality, in house developments like the insane video stabilisation and HDR+ all add up. Stereo speakers would've been great, it's the only thing I miss from the 6P but the down firing speaker works loud and clear and a worthwhile trade off for such a sleek performer.

Dude, it's very much overpriced.
It's missing sooo many hardware features that other phones have.
IR blaster for acting as a TV remote.
MicroSD for additional storage.
Water resistance of a decent nature.
So many more things but I don't want to think about it because I'll just get upset at my phone again.

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What hardware features is the pixel missing? front facing speakers?
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Here is pretty much what it seems most people griping about the phone want.
A phone design of the ages.... absolutely flawless
Indestructible "premium" body that is light as a feather
Scratchproof shatterproof screen
Radios that reach the cosmos
The next version of the OS that isn't released yet before coders even know what they're coding
An OS that predicts your every move
Absolutely zero manufacturing tolerances
Next year's internals
Stereo speakers
THX wired and wireless audio from a phone
SD card
Removable battery
Fast Charging
Fast Wireless Charging
A phone so water and dustproof that even air can't permeate the body
Endless storage
A camera that rivals Hubble
......all for 4 easy payments of $19.95

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Here is pretty much what it seems most people griping about the phone want.
A phone design of the ages.... absolutely flawless
Indestructible "premium" body that is light as a feather
Scratchproof shatterproof screen
Radios that reach the cosmos
The next version of the OS that isn't released yet before coders even know what they're coding
An OS that predicts your every move
Absolutely zero manufacturing tolerances
Next year's internals
Stereo speakers
THX wired and wireless audio from a phone
SD card
Removable battery
Fast Charging
Fast Wireless Charging
A phone so water and dustproof that even air can't permeate the body
Endless storage
A camera that rivals Hubble
......all for 4 easy payments of $19.95
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LOL BEST REPLY SO FAR. consumers will never be sastified..

CZ Eddie said:
Dude, it's very much overpriced.
It's missing sooo many hardware features that other phones have.
IR blaster for acting as a TV remote.
MicroSD for additional storage.
Water resistance of a decent nature.
So many more things but I don't want to think about it because I'll just get upset at my phone again.
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bro if this are so important to you, you should honestly go get a LG v20.. why buy a phone that is aim for pure android experience. and although the pixel is not rated water resistant it holds up very well. as it was submerge in water for one hour and it was fully functional at the end. and I never used the ir blaster I rather buy a universal remote.. when a phone tries to do too much it always fails at something and mostly is a lot bigger than what you gain.

I wanted a ****ty ass LG phone I would have bought one.

I don't think anybody is missing ois, especially anybody who has used the phone...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObhMgCT-Rzw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YojQneS6Yts

I don't mind the price of $649/$749.
However, I do mind the big price hike in Canada... $899 for the 5" and $1049 for the 5.5"?
Come on

The 749 USD translates to 1003 cad right now so it's not that big of a price hike lol, the conversion just sucks right now lol
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CZ Eddie said:
Dude, it's very much overpriced.
It's missing sooo many hardware features that other phones have.
IR blaster for acting as a TV remote.
MicroSD for additional storage.
Water resistance of a decent nature.
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4x4 MIMO would have been nice for the money they're asking for.

Why does the V20 suck so badly?

Okay so i dont know if this should be posted here, so if it belongs elsewhere please feel free to move it mods. I tried to post in the "real life reviews" but couldnt find a spot to submit a new thread there.
I hate the v20. I've had it since October when i was forced to give up my Note. I wanted to trade it in for the S7 edge but that wasn't available, and i liked what i'd heard about the v20 so i went ahead and went for it. Me and my wife both upgrade at the same time so we both got the v20, after trading in the Notes.
At first it was fine enough. I did enjoy the cameras on the phone quite a bit. Amazing cameras. but then the glass shattered over the two lenses (without so much as a drop) and the exposures became terrible. So the camera was ruined for me. I could have mailed it away to LG but i dont have a second phone and i can't be without mine for 2 weeks while they do repairs so i just have to deal with it. The screen got small scratches on it over time, which really surprised me. I have never had a single device going all the way back to the G1 that has gotten scratched. I dont know if this phone uses gorilla glass or not, but thats another issue.
The battery life sucks. Most days by lunch time my phone is under 15 percent. I've done everything you can think of to solve the problem, but nothing works. New roms, battery savers, efficiency stuff..i've tried it all. It just sucks.
The phone has a million other issues but i won't get in to those now. Long story short, i'm EXTREMELY tempted to get the new S8 plus but i'm gonna wait on the note because i really love that stylus...
Am i alone? does anyone else feel this way? I really hate it because i've never had an android phone i disliked. But i must regretfully admit, that this one sucks.
How do you feel?

First of all, you broke your phone and didn't fix it. Not wise. Second, use the phone for what it is designed around; swappable batteries. They last all day. You are apparently using apps that drain your battery. When that happens, you just pull off the back and swap with a fresh one. That alone sets this phone apart from the rest. Third, you should protect your screen with a tempered glass protector. 10 bucks can change your world. All of your problems are self inflicted it seems...that's what really sucks!

Yea, I'm gonna echo FreakyFrank.
It's not a huge battery given the size of the screen, so get a swapper. Especially given your load it's a wise idea.
Second, check the battery section under Settings and see where your battery is going to. Perhaps you need to remove an app or to that are abusing the juice.
Next, even if you rock case-free, you should still get a tempered glass screen protectors. There are good ones out there for well less than $10 (I got the Spigen and love it).
In short, the V20 sucks for you. Perhaps you've already optimized your phone and it's still not a good fit. That happens. Each phone is a set of trade-offs based on the purpose of that phone as determined by the manufacturer. Some of these make some phones not as optimal for a given person as it would be for others.

@thatisandwas
You couldn't find a temporary replacement phone to use if you'd sent your V20 away for repair? That strikes me as a poor excuse.
And a LG V20 Battery Charging KIT BCK-5200 doesn't cost a lot so thats your second gripe shot down. I bet if it was a non-removable battery you'd be wishing for the old days of removable batteries.
Over 6 months ownership of such a shi**y phone that has a "million other issues" and the only thing you've done is log in here to whinge about it.
Sell your V20, get another phone, and start formulating a rant about its faults 6 months down the line.... Happy days
Edit: you should change "the" to "my" in the thread title...

I'm really (not really) sorry to hear that V20 didn't work out for you quite well. So the morale of the story is
1. Fix your phone once it's broken.
2. always carry a spare phone just in case (at least, $100 cheap android phone)
3. never ever used a phone naked even if the phone is tough or rugged. put on a case and a tempered glass screen protector.
4. take advantage of the phone's main feature (in this case, removable battery).

LOL i +1 all of these posts.
In addition to the following:
-The camera lens replacement is already out there for sell . Ebay, amazon, you name it. And it doesnt cost practically a thing.
-How many user apps do you have? how many of them are constantly synchronizing? How long do you use your phone with heavy battery consuming apps such as ... Well. Facebook alone is a big consumer (it synchronizes a lot). I currently have 93 user apps. from which 28 of them are constantly synchronizing. Not to mention that i play fun run arena for an hour or 2 a day. and my battery last about 4 - 5 hours with screen on. or even up to almost 3 days with screen off and some of the app synchronizing.
But still, i think 6 month is really too late to be writing a thread like this lol!

LOL I Should have expected these responses. The thing is, i shouldn't have to pay money to fix camera glass. I've never had a camera glass break on me, ever. I'm very careful with my devices. I've had dozens of android phones. Never had any of these issues with any of them. Its clearly a design flaw that the glass shatters and you guys are just like "but a new one" as if thats a perfectly acceptable solution. It shouldn't break in the first place. The battery management could be any number of things. I've tried nothing but stock apps. I've had android OS in battery usage exceed 100%. I've now installed a new rom and am getting better battery life, but it still isn't great. I don't want to carry spare batteries. I want my battery to last from 8-5 then i can charge it on the drive home enough to last until it gets to my bedside charger. I don't think thats a very huge ask. But it dies before lunch time most days.
You guys all make good points, and yes i could remedy some of these problems with the suggestions. But you have to admit the camera glass is piss poor design on LGs part. I mean come on? It just shatters with regular usage?

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LOL I Should have expected these responses. The thing is, i shouldn't have to pay money to fix camera glass. I've never had a camera glass break on me, ever. I'm very careful with my devices. I've had dozens of android phones. Never had any of these issues with any of them. Its clearly a design flaw that the glass shatters and you guys are just like "but a new one" as if thats a perfectly acceptable solution. It shouldn't break in the first place. The battery management could be any number of things. I've tried nothing but stock apps. I've had android OS in battery usage exceed 100%. I've now installed a new rom and am getting better battery life, but it still isn't great. I don't want to carry spare batteries. I want my battery to last from 8-5 then i can charge it on the drive home enough to last until it gets to my bedside charger. I don't think thats a very huge ask. But it dies before lunch time most days.
You guys all make good points, and yes i could remedy some of these problems with the suggestions. But you have to admit the camera glass is piss poor design on LGs part. I mean come on? It just shatters with regular usage?
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I think i stated on another thread that i was starting to think that it is just a percentage of v20 that has that defect. You know how many times i have dropped my phone or even threw it to the wall by accidrnt (sure it did have a poetic revolution cover) but still, the pressure should have broken the camera glass by now. Nevertheless, mine still intact. And i have 6 month already with the phone. Another thing i have done that i believe it may causes the glass to break out of nothing, is to be on really cold and hot weather. Yet... Thr glass still not broken. (between 24 F and 106 F temprtstures >> oklahoma lol)

"The phone has a million other issues but i won't get in to those now...." < world of difference > "But you have to admit the camera glass is piss poor design on LGs part. I mean come on? It just shatters with regular usage?"
You could be right about the lens debacle but your OP was a tad OTT don't ya think...?

rubiicon59 said:
"The phone has a million other issues but i won't get in to those now...." < world of difference > "But you have to admit the camera glass is piss poor design on LGs part. I mean come on? It just shatters with regular usage?"
You could be right about the lens debacle but your OP was a tad OTT don't ya think...?
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Yes it is over the top. I mean the thing is i have loved ALL my android phones. They all have a "soul" to them tha makes me like them for their own reasons. I can't put my finger on it exactly but it just feels like something is majorly lacking with the v20 compared to my others. I mean does no one agree with me at all on any of the points i made?

Well I inferred understanding what you mean regarding the lens, lots of others have complained about if too.
But I stand by what I said in post #4.
So now I'm interested what you're going to do with your V20.... keep or ditch?

rubiicon59 said:
Well I inferred understanding what you mean regarding the lens, lots of others have complained about if too.
But I stand by what I said in post #4.
So now I'm interested what you're going to do with your V20.... keep or ditch?
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I'm gonna keep it for the time being. I don't hate it so much that i'm willing to spend more to get the s8 plus. But i will more than likely replace it when the note 8 rolls around....after waiting for 30 days after launch, for obvious reasons I can only imagine a large number of people came to v20 after giving up their note 7. I wonder how many of us will end up going to the note 8???

Yep I get your reasons... I think now we're on a similar page.
I've only had my V20 two days so I'm still exploring but so far I'm really pleased with it. Every phone manufactured has good and bad points so I try to take each one on its own merits and flaws rather than making comparisons. More so this time with switching manufacturers.
I've only had one LG in the past, the KF750 Secret, and I really liked that. But there will be no Note for me.
Anyway good luck with your V20, and your next phone too.
And get that lens fixed man

I love my v20. Last phone made with sensibility in mind. Removable battery, IR blaster, and SD slot. Only thing lacking is water resistance, but there are solutions for that. Plus I have 100+ apps installed and mine still lasts all day and then some.
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Not exactly on topic (I guess) but as someone who is fully committed and stoked about the V20, I stopped and checked out the S8 the other day. I will say it looks really awesome. Samsung did a fantastic​job with the display.
But it still stands, like others say. The V20 is probably the last phone you can get with such a great feature set. I don't want to buy a new phone every year, other year, week, whatever. I want a phone that will last. Removable battery plus an LCD (not AMOLED) will truly last.

As a iphone user with the 7 Plus being my last and trying out the V20 it does kinda suck. battery life is pretty terrible for a newer model phone, I wanted to give android another shot but it still is not as polished as IOS is.

Sounds to me like you didn't do your research before buying the V20.
LG's V series of phones are meant to be the last of the "oldschool" style cellphones with expandable storage AND a removable battery with Phillips head screw construction. The idea is that when your battery dies, as others have stated, you pop off the back cover and pop a new battery in. Speaking of which, the other users are definitely right about having too many apps running. I have unlocked my bootloader and installed LineageOS (stock android), which could be a factor in my better battery life, and usually get close to 48 hours of moderate to heavy usage per charge. Battery aside, if something breaks, you simply buy the spare part online and replace it yourself. The replacement camera glass is only around $25 and takes about 10 minutes to swap.
I definitely do agree with you that the camera glass is a bit fragile, however, I doubt it broke from just the softness of your touch. If you dropped your phone even just once, it may have broken then, which is a bit ridiculous being that it's the camera glass...But if you had gotten the S7 Edge and dropped it once, there's a very, very good chance the the entirety of your front or back glass would have shattered (or both - the whole phone is glass) so you really should not be complaining about this.
But all comments aside, definitely go with the upcoming Note if you have the dough and are unsatisfied with the V20. I'd love to grab the new Note but I'm just a broke college student (hence why I got the V20. Cheap repairs =P ).
Anyway, best of luck phone hunting in the future!

I appreciate all the responses. I did definitely do a lot of research before buying the v20. Getting the sweet ear buds for free that i'm using as i type this was a big reason why i got it. I agree that it is good in its own merits, such as expandable storage/removable battery. I won't settle on the camera glass though, that's BS on LG's part and the fact that they still haven't acknowledged in publicly as a defect is disappointing to me. I've used LineageOS for a few weeks, and frankly i'm AMAZED if you're actually getting upwards of 48 hours use. Thats insane. I'm super lucky if i get til 5 with any juice left.

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I'm gonna keep it for the time being. I don't hate it so much that i'm willing to spend more to get the s8 plus. But i will more than likely replace it when the note 8 rolls around....after waiting for 30 days after launch, for obvious reasons I can only imagine a large number of people came to v20 after giving up their note 7. I wonder how many of us will end up going to the note 8???
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The V20 is a powerhouse and can hold its own against the rest. No phone will be perfect and its all about preference. However, I too gave up my Note 7 for the V20. I will be definitely going back to the Note series.

thatisandwas said:
I appreciate all the responses. I did definitely do a lot of research before buying the v20. Getting the sweet ear buds for free that i'm using as i type this was a big reason why i got it. I agree that it is good in its own merits, such as expandable storage/removable battery. I won't settle on the camera glass though, that's BS on LG's part and the fact that they still haven't acknowledged in publicly as a defect is disappointing to me. I've used LineageOS for a few weeks, and frankly i'm AMAZED if you're actually getting upwards of 48 hours use. Thats insane. I'm super lucky if i get til 5 with any juice left.
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You must have the screen on and be using the phone most if not the whole 5 hours.
Plug it in. If you don't have ac\dc available - get a nice power bank.
The camera glass is only $6.69 on eBay with the adhesive part and the glass.
Look at this on eBay http://www.ebay.com/itm/282431684616

Still a good phone?

A bit deceived by HTC with the U 11 that has apparently a bad 3.5mm adapter, I am searching for a good phone to replace my 1 year old HTC 10.
I saw the V20 is an excellent audio phone with a very good camera and screen but I am afraid of a lack of custom roms and contrast for the screen.
What do you think? Is the V20 too old to fight against newer S8 and U 11 or it's still a strong candidate?
Any lags?

I don't have my phone as I am still waiting for it to come in the mail; However, the spec on papers appears that both phones are similar in CPU and RAM. Is there something specific that draws you to the V20?

question is: why would you want to replace your htc10 in first place?
except you have some problem with it, I would see no reason why you should change it with a v20... unless you're going to use really high impedance headsets... but since you're considering the s8 as a substitute, I doubt have you have any interest for that kind of headsets.
v20 and htc10 share the same SoC, have more or less the same overall photo quality (v20 has the wide angle camera which is useful and nice but you may or may not be interested in landscapes), v20 has a better screen, but altogether it's not a great step forward from the htc10.
so... if listening to lossless tracks with high impedance headsets isn't your top priority, you can either keep your htc10 or go for the s8. otherwise v20 is a no brainer, together with the korean g6.
if you're just looking for a fresh new smartphone, s8

Well the v20 has an IR blaster and a removable battery. That alone makes it a step up from the HTC 10. The S8 and u11 don't have enough specs to make up for that IMO. If I was buying a phone today, I would personally choose the v20. I Love mine!
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The V20 is way too heavy, I was interested at first for the bigger screen but this phone is too heavy even without a cover

Not compared to the U11 you mentioned - that's only 5g lighter.
The V20 is well engineered and solidly built, that's a plus. A case adds very little extra weight.

rubiicon59 said:
Not compared to the U11 you mentioned - that's only 5g lighter.
The V20 is well engineered and solidly built, that's a plus. A case adds very little extra weight.
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I think a dbrand skin will be perfect no? it will make it prettier and protect it against scratches

I've dropped my phone several times. This phone is built to last, you don't need a silly case over it covering up all the sexiness lol

I got rid of my V20 after 5 months I hated it. Battery life was awful. The look and feel was cheap. The speaker was tinny. It was very sluggish from time to time without a reason. The screen was very good for a LCD. Dual camera was fun and pictures came out well most of the time but nothing to brag about.