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Why I'm returning my G5, after 5 days

In short, the G5 feels poor, for a flagship. I knew about some of these issues beforehand but I didn't think they would bother me as much. I've never returned a phone before.
I'm coming to it from a Samsung S6 Edge and iPhone 6. I can include the Nexus 5 and even the HTC One X in here too. They all felt a lot better, smoother and cleaner.
I wanted the G5 + Hi-Fi Plus to replace the phone + audio player combination I've gotten used to (most recently, Sony Walkman NWZ-ZX2).
I still haven't received my Hi-Fi Plus. But even if it was great (it is essential, for me), it wouldn't make up for everything else.
It feels like there is a lip when you swipe from the side of the screen. It's not smooth glass like an iPhone, S6/S7 Edge, or Nexus 5. It doesn't feel nice.
The chrome trim around the back has hideous gaps. The bottom of the phone doesn't align along perfectly along the sides. I think this is shocking in this day and age. I can imagine Steve Jobs slapping you in the face if you tried to release something like this at Apple.
The fingerprint scanner doesn't always work and seems to be worse than my iPhone and the S6 Edge.
The battery life is mediocre, even without always-on display. With lighter than average use I can go a day. I would expect this to be reduced with the Hi-Fi Plus. I don't want to carry two batteries and I don't want to be swapping batteries until this one becomes suboptimal. But by that time I will probably want a new device.
The supposedly metal body feels like plastic, so what's the point of it? It's not as though plastic phones fall apart or melt in time. Moreover, this prevents wireless charging.
Audio quality through the standard headphone socket is dull. The fact that something can play 24-bit audio doesn't mean it will sound great.
The tapered top of the phone means that I can't use a screen protector. In the long term, this is not a good idea, especially without a case.
The fact that the Hi-Fi Plus makes it a little bigger means that I can't use a case.
I think I'll get the HTC 10 when it's released, because the S7 Edge isn't a worthwhile upgrade over a 128GB S6 Edge.

I had similar build quality concerns. You can actually see some of these things in review photos and videos of you know what you are looking for. A friend of mine has already exchanged his first G5 due to build quality.
BTW, what does the M10 have over the S7E that makes it worth the upgrade and the S7E not? Just curious.

Wow, I've had a totally different experience. My build quality is perfect much to my surprise. The seams along the modular edge are spot on. The fingerprint scanner is spot on. Faster than my S7 and on par with the Nexus 6P.
The screen lies smooth to the side and I like the curved top and bottom as I really don't use screen protectors anymore. The gaps on the chrome are antenna lines, at least they are not all over the phone. As far the finish it's a coating. I like it as it has better grip than my S7 edge or any metal/glass phone and I have no blemishes thankfully.
I can't comment on the headphone audio as I use LG Tones and the sound has been great coming from Bluetooth.
As far as the M10 it will be no where near as good as the S7 or even this. Why? Because HTC has lost its identity and produces a mismosh of tech. Smaller screen, added a home button and remove its defining feature the front facing speakers. Blah. Ill skip it.
I'm sure Steve Jobs has already rolled over in his grave with the crap Apple has been pushing out for the last few years. Innovation stopped with his illness and unfortunate death. They have been far too stagnant. From antenna gate to bending phones to buggy os releases there are plenty of bad quality control issues at Apple, no company is exempt.
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Well to be fair to the HTC 10 it presumably will have a better DAC in it than the stock SD820 DAC that the S7 and G5 has. But at the same time the SD DAC which has been notoriously awful over the years is much improved. Definitely good enough for most people or cheap gym headphones. I would also give a slight nod to Sense over touchwiz and LGs new abomination of an iphone setup.

I am Coming from the HTC m7 and htc models before the m7, after one week i am still fascinated from the design and the quality of the the G5. Battery is ok could be better but ok. i am not more then 24 h away from a power supply and can still use some powerbanks on tours. the Launcher i use for years now is Lightning Launcher so i never have to care bout sense or other original used launchers by the manufacturer of my phone. till now the phone is top for me.
let me see if the sound module can beat the boomsound of HTC and if it will get rooted for some framework and so on.

For me, the back seam is not straight in terms of height. The seams along the side don't align either.
I think in part I'm used to devices impressing me in the hand. The One X felt amazing. The Nexus 5 felt very clean. The S6 Edge looked fantastic (although the Edge was pointless).
These things wouldn't bother me so much if I kept the phone in a case, but this won't happen.
Even without sound quality considerations, I much prefer the S7/Edge/HTC 10. I can get a separate DAP (I'm considering Onkyo DP-X1 but waiting for it be released in Europe, for warranty reasons).

The one clear advantage of the HTC 10, for me, is that you can use the microSD for app storage. I found that I'd used up all the space on the G5 after saving a lot of Spotify music for offline access. It felt like a step backwards from a 128GB S6 Edge in this regard.

Mines perfect. I adore this device. Sorry to hear your device sucked.
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Bye, and dont let the door hit you in the arse on your way out.

If you're that much of an audiophile.... I don't even know why you'd consider a phone to play audio. Just my 0.02.
Fingerprint scanner is spot on for me.. Even when I'm dirty at work, it still picks it up. My S6 Edge+ would pick it up 10% of the time when my hands were clean.
Sure, I went through 8 G5's before I settled. Is this one flawless? No. It's slightly off flush. Do I care? Not really... It's in a case.
Do I expect perfect QC for a $700 phone? Sure. But it's not going to happen until manufacturing returns to this country. Will that happen? Nope.
Overall, I'm loving this phone. Displays nice, clear, and smooth. UI is great... Probably moving back to nova, but the styling and icons are beautiful. The grip without a case is great for a metal phone. Due to the coating, for sure.
It just feels and looks nicer than the S6 and S7 IMO. Had the M10 not had a physical home button, I would've considered it. Nothing says classy like a buttonless face.
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Rauch said:
If you're that much of an audiophile.... I don't even know why you'd consider a phone to play audio. Just my 0.02.
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Because its not asking too much to want above average quality without having to carry multiple devices. Im not expecting it to rvial my fiio x3 but it should at least be passable for the gym etc.
Rauch said:
ISure, I went through 8 G5's before I settled. Is this one flawless? No. It's slightly off flush. Do I care? Not really... It's in a case.
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You went through 8 then immediately claim you dont care? Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself that you dont care not us.
Rauch said:
IDo I expect perfect QC for a $700 phone? Sure. But it's not going to happen until manufacturing returns to this country. Will that happen? Nope.
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I know right, it really sucked when they stopped making smartphones here right? Whats that? They have never been made here? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Really though, how can you even try that excuse? The G5 is made the same way the s7/iphone is made. Cheap asian labor but you dont see these issues plaguing them do you? This notion that made in china = garbage is so ignorant and shortsighted. It dont matter where its made the manufacturer can set the quality standards its like this in every country no matter what they are making.

Exactly. I don't want to carry two devices all the time. Especially in the summer.
The Hi-Fi Plus could make the G5 compete with DAPs that cost roughly the same.
The ZX2 was good but it was stuck on Android 4.2. The DP-X1 is still not forthcoming for me. So I need something. I sold the S6 Edge and my iPhone doesn't have enough memory for much music.
Yes, some of these issues are due to quality control. Others are just very bad design choices.
I'm still having problems with the fingerprint scanner. I tried rescanning carefully but it hasn't improved.
I'm also a little sceptical about the fast charging estimates. I think they're underestimated.

Aeneas said:
The one clear advantage of the HTC 10, for me, is that you can use the microSD for app storage. I found that I'd used up all the space on the G5 after saving a lot of Spotify music for offline access. It felt like a step backwards from a 128GB S6 Edge in this regard.
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I hope you know that one can change storage too sd card thou: In spotify go to settings > scroll down to storage > choose sd card
And problem solved!

notinterested said:
Because its not asking too much to want above average quality without having to carry multiple devices. Im not expecting it to rvial my fiio x3 but it should at least be passable for the gym etc.
You went through 8 then immediately claim you dont care? Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself that you dont care not us.
I know right, it really sucked when they stopped making smartphones here right? Whats that? They have never been made here? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Really though, how can you even try that excuse? The G5 is made the same way the s7/iphone is made. Cheap asian labor but you dont see these issues plaguing them do you? This notion that made in china = garbage is so ignorant and shortsighted. It dont matter where its made the manufacturer can set the quality standards its like this in every country no matter what they are making.
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If quality of music is your biggest concern at the gym, you've got some other issues at hand. You should become more focused on your workout and sweating away that fat instead of worrying how good your music sounds.
Yeah, I went through 8 because the moment you pull them out of the box the flaws were that noticeable. Beyond that, no big deal.
Ignorant and short sighted? No. Compare tools made in China vs. Made in america, germany, or Spain. Big difference. Or more importantly - copper and steel pipe and fittings. Tell me there's no quality difference between something made with cheap labor vs. Something made here. The fact I can crack a 2" black iron fitting with an 18" pipe wrench is enough to see there is a difference. Than you factor in dimensions and threading differences.... Get out in the real world and realize there is a huge quality difference between cheap labor and expensive labor.
Oh, I'm sorry.... Did you forget about about the admitted iphone 5S manufacturing defects? Could be sworn there was something wrong with the 6's as well!
Open your eyes kiddo.
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Rauch said:
If quality of music is your biggest concern at the gym, you've got some other issues at hand. You should become more focused on your workout and sweating away that fat instead of worrying how good your music sounds.
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What? That makes no sense AT ALL... Music is a motivator, when your music sounds like ass its a distraction. You must not go to the gym.
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Ignorant and short sighted? No. Compare tools made in China vs. Made in america, germany, or Spain. Big difference. Or more importantly - copper and steel pipe and fittings. Tell me there's no quality difference between something made with cheap labor vs. Something made here. The fact I can crack a 2" black iron fitting with an 18" pipe wrench is enough to see there is a difference. Than you factor in dimensions and threading differences.... Get out in the real world and realize there is a huge quality difference between cheap labor and expensive labor.
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Thats a cute analogy ill give you another one.
Compare the iphone and the galaxy s7 to the G5. All are made in the same place 2 are considered to be very well made one has problems like crazy.
get out in the real world and realize all phones are made in cheap asian countries and only one has these glaring issues and you will see a flawed design for what it is. Your argument holds no water whatsoever.
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Oh, I'm sorry.... Did you forget about about the admitted iphone 5S manufacturing defects? Could be sworn there was something wrong with the 6's as well!
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You must be joking right? Those where design flaws antennagate was bad design not bad production. The iphone 6 bending was bad design not bad production.
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Open your eyes kiddo.
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Open my eyes? Your argument is that the G5 is messed up because its "made in china" every other smartphone on the planet is too and they are just fine... Stop being so stubbornly ignorant.

BudaBang said:
I hope you know that one can change storage too sd card thou: In spotify go to settings > scroll down to storage > choose sd card
And problem solved!
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Lol. I was going to say that.
But yes g5 has micro sd slot.
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notinterested said:
What? That makes no sense AT ALL... Music is a motivator, when your music sounds like ass its a distraction. You must not go to the gym.
Thats a cute analogy ill give you another one.
Compare the iphone and the galaxy s7 to the G5. All are made in the same place 2 are considered to be very well made one has problems like crazy.
get out in the real world and realize all phones are made in cheap asian countries and only one has these glaring issues and you will see a flawed design for what it is. Your argument holds no water whatsoever.
You must be joking right? Those where design flaws antennagate was bad design not bad production. The iphone 6 bending was bad design not bad production.
Open my eyes? Your argument is that the G5 is messed up because its "made in china" every other smartphone on the planet is too and they are just fine... Stop being so stubbornly ignorant.
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Bro, you make some solid points

Baxter you know I don't speak Spanish.

Aeneas said:
The one clear advantage of the HTC 10, for me, is that you can use the microSD for app storage. I found that I'd used up all the space on the G5 after saving a lot of Spotify music for offline access. It felt like a step backwards from a 128GB S6 Edge in this regard.
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Spotify - How to store cache on external SD
People should learn how to use google.
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Wow, lots of people managed to do something you couldn't.

Sound isn't that bad, I listened to a few tracks quickly on spotify on my sennheisers and it was on par with other phones I've tested.
Could be tweaked a bit with viper when we get root but I'm satisfied.
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PIXEL XL Notification Light

There's no mention whether pixel comes with notification light or not but i've got confirmation from google cs that it does and it's placed near the front camera.
I personally love notification light feature.
If anyone has any more details relating to this please share.

This is from the Specifications section on the Pixel product page on the Google Store: https://store.google.com/product/pixel_phone

that's good to know.
But boy it's expensive, what'a happened to google.

riz157 said:
that's good to know.
But boy it's expensive, what'a happened to google.
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They decided to cash in with the big boys.

SAL8116 said:
They decided to cash in with the big boys.
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Which is fine if the device is equal to the other flagships.....but it is not.
I will be curious to see if google can pull this off...in all honesty for what your getting its at least 300 overpriced.
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This is from the Specifications section on the Pixel product page on the Google Store: https://store.google.com/product/pixel_phone
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Illuminati Illumination Confirmed

force70 said:
Which is fine if the device is equal to the other flagships.....but it is not.
I will be curious to see if google can pull this off...in all honesty for what your getting its at least 300 overpriced.
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Just curious, because I keep hearing this. How is the Pixel not equivalent to other "flagships" ?
Thus far every quick comparison hands on I've seen from reputable YouTuber's directly compare it's specs to the iPhone 7 +, S7/N7 line.. in those quick comparisons it's either on par or exceeds the other spec wise..
Edit: To add, what features you think detract from being considered a "flagship" device is irrelevant. Just because the iPhone doesn't have an S Pen doesn't make it worth any less to the iPhone crowd, where as Note fans wouldn't consider the iPhone because it's lacking one...
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Steve Lazarus said:
Just curious, because I keep hearing this. How is the Pixel not equivalent to other "flagships" ?
Thus far every quick comparison hands on I've seen from reputable YouTuber's directly compare it's specs to the iPhone 7 +, S7/N7 line.. in those quick comparisons it's either on par or exceeds the other spec wise..
Edit: To add, what features you think detract from being considered a "flagship" device is irrelevant. Just because the iPhone doesn't have an S Pen doesn't make it worth any less to the iPhone crowd, where as Note fans wouldn't consider the iPhone because it's lacking one...
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Its missing certain features from the previous nexus as well what other devices in its class offer
Screen is smalller than note 7 or zenfone 3 deluxe..they should have kept it at 5.7 at least
They ditched the stereo speakers which i dont get given the huge bezels on the thing lol. Axon 7 and iphone have this
Smallish internal storage, where is the 256gb option? Would not expect a google device to have an SD card slot but for the money they want it needs more internal or the slot. Iphone offers 256gb and note, axon, asus have sd slots
No water resistance..dont really care about this but other devices in its class offer it. Note and iphone have this
Only 4gb am...again i dont care but other devices in its class ( and below it) have 6gb. One plus 3 6gb, zenfone 3 6gb etc etc
There is nothing wrong with the device, its actually really nice however if you are going to charge a premium and then some for it you damn sure better have all the bells and whistles....and it does not.
Give me a pixel XL with a 5.7 to 6" screen, stereo speakers and 256gb of storage and id be the first one waving money around to buy it.
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I read it was under the top speaker grille. Being that it's HTC, that seems correct.

Don't seem to be doing too well, in the uk the black xl is still showing dispatches by 20th Oct. Not sold out and no queues.
I think HTC and google are sharing the profits 50/50 hence the stupid stupid price. HTC do all the work and google take the profit, I think they have HTC by the short and curlies.
It's a nice phone far far better and more premium then nexus 6p in every dept, which lets be honest felt cheap and really flimsy. Screen was flat and material was very thin.
Ideally pixel xl should have been priced around £600 - £650 for the 128gb version when comparing to last years model. £500 is far too cheap for this phone when comparing to other top end phones.
If this phone fails then it's purely down to pricing.

Why does every thread descend into: "It's too expensive and the bezels are huge"? This is a thread about a notification LED, go whinge in the whingers thread!
Anyway... I would expect it to be hidden behind the glass at the top like the N6P, they took a similar approach of not mentioning the damn thing apart from the little sub note on the Google store page. I definitely missed it on the N6 and was glad to have it back on the 6P. I hope it isn't a grille effort as HTC had a habit in the past of only putting RAG LEDs behind the grille thus eliminating 16.6something million colours.

force70 said:
Its missing certain features from the previous nexus as well what other devices in its class offer
Screen is smalller than note 7 or zenfone 3 deluxe..they should have kept it at 5.7 at least
They ditched the stereo speakers which i dont get given the huge bezels on the thing lol. Axon 7 and iphone have this
Smallish internal storage, where is the 256gb option? Would not expect a google device to have an SD card slot but for the money they want it needs more internal or the slot. Iphone offers 256gb and note, axon, asus have sd slots
No water resistance..dont really care about this but other devices in its class offer it. Note and iphone have this
Only 4gb am...again i dont care but other devices in its class ( and below it) have 6gb. One plus 3 6gb, zenfone 3 6gb etc etc
There is nothing wrong with the device, its actually really nice however if you are going to charge a premium and then some for it you damn sure better have all the bells and whistles....and it does not.
Give me a pixel XL with a 5.7 to 6" screen, stereo speakers and 256gb of storage and id be the first one waving money around to buy it.
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My apologies, I hate these back and forth debates that seem to continually infiltrate pertinent threads....But the "flagship" issue needs to be put to rest....
Everything you've just listed are features you'd like to have seen on the next device. Well, obviously they're not there. However, because they're not there like you wanted them to be doesn't in any way detract from what is... What is there ranks this device among all other flagship devices like them or not. I would love to have seen Google put out a Pixel that is a combination of every other phones key features rolled into one nice $500 package. Unfortunately, that isn't what happened due to monetary and technical constraints phone manufacturers have to deal with. I'm not knocking your thought process, because I would love to have seen a 5.7" display and front firing speakers, both of which are a disappointing omission to me. But the specs it does have put it into the "flagship" category.
Again, my apologies...
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Soooo happy to hear about the light coming back. Sucks not having it on the six!

tgyberg said:
Soooo happy to hear about the light coming back. Sucks not having it on the six!
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the nexus 6 does have a notification light though...it's in the speaker grill

vivanshah said:
the nexus 6 does have a notification light though...it's in the speaker grill
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Yes, I use it on my N6 all the time.

vivanshah said:
the nexus 6 does have a notification light though...it's in the speaker grill
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I never bothered with getting it going, rather just have it work right out of the box stock

Ah man no pixel light bar under that glass back panel, that would have been dope ! or light up around the FP scanner

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Ah man no pixel light bar under that glass back panel, that would have been dope ! or light up around the FP scanner
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Then you'd have to place the phone face down. I would hate that. It would have been cool to use the bottom front bezel for a lightbar like on the other pixel devices that could be used for notifications.

Evo_Shift said:
Then you'd have to place the phone face down. I would hate that. It would have been cool to use the bottom front bezel for a lightbar like on the other pixel devices that could be used for notifications.
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I agree, always have my phone face up. I'm glad there is a notification light, such a useful feature for me. I like to glance at my phone on my desk & see if anything is up.

I like notification. Light. But I never trust it. Lol. Especially this time of year. I await any new news o. Our pixel. Flashing or not. I check my phone waaay to often.
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New year - new rant

There is nothing ''premium'' about this phone, and the price is unjustifiable.
Google has basically out right copied Apple/Iphone, in relation to Apple's business model (relating to the iphone 6/6s/7). Talk about a major cop out.
There is absolutely no innovation in the new pixel phones. None at all. It even has a sub par basic dac, and a tinny sounding bottom speaker. Even the design is basic and retro, and the marketing is just like apple's. All this spewing of this device being ''premium'' from almost all reviewers on youtube (which, for some reason, all are stating the same caption being ''the best android phone around'' makes me wonder whether google are imposing the same tactics that apple uses by inadvertently paying for good reviews).
So what, you make a basic handset, but charge hundreds for it, and now automatically it falls into the region of being premium?
Is this some sort of joke? Google is really going to charge consumers over £700 when it isn't even worth that much.
If they really wanted to compete with apple, then at least place high quality components into the device, as apple do.
So from now on people, unfortunately what we will have for the next few years, is googles new business model, which will be near on identical to apple's. So next years new pixel phones probably may omit a headphone jack, a slightly more vibrant screen and a different letter or two placed next the the pixel name to differentiate it from the previous models, but no real substantial innovation or forward thinking. Great.
It sucks. I use to experience excitement these last few years, as each year, regarding the nexus line, excitement and talk would build on who was going to build the next nexus, etc etc, and now that has all gone down the pan.
I wont be buying it. That is for sure.
I can even imagine them being unrootable..

*Yawn*

Don't buy it.

So there's nothing "premium" about this device? Not the build quality, processor, experience, or any other combination? Lay off the wine this early in the day.

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I can even imagine them being unrootable..
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:laugh: Ok, pal. Talk about a worthless thread.

I guess I'm to blame. Shouldn't of had such high expectations.
I look at samsung (edge series), motorola (modular z series), LG (modular series), One plus (high specs low cost), htc (Audio) I see innovation, and all I see with these new pixel phones is basically a carbon copy of Iphone. Even the business/marketing model. Its practically identical.

So long and thanks for the fish...

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So there's nothing "premium" about this device? Not the build quality, processor, experience, or any other combination? Lay off the wine this early in the day.
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It's a £700 plus phone. It's not water resistant, and has no dual stereo speakers.
Reviewers have noted that the DAC is awful. The headphone output alone is rate at 0.45 volts. How can this be a premium phone? or even be classed as one, especially at that price point?
The only thing that is really going for it is the software optimisation, which will obviously be neigh on perfect... just as it had been on the cheaper nexus 5, nexus 6, and nexus 6p (all of which were priced under £500 upon release) :/

Got mine today it's going straight back tomorrow. First off all I'm done with white phones for good, they look cheap no matter which brand iPhone, Samsung, Google. Secondly there's a huge gap at the top of the screen close to the headphone jack which really makes me question the overall build quality. Lastly the back when people said it was gonna be ugly I said OK let's wait see what it looks like for real but man it's hideous. It doesn't look white at all but more like some sort of pearlish coating. No way I'm paying 900€ for this.

This was my complaint as well. They are competing with Samsung and Apple, but what do they have to offer over those two? Samsung and Apple have water resistance, Samsung also has smaller bezels, a MicroSD card slot, and Samsung Pay, while Apple also has a dual camera system. Those are features that make it worth the price. The Pixel is a generic looking device that isn't bloated, but then again that's not a benefit over Apple which also isn't bloated and offers OS updates for twice as long as Google.

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There is nothing ''premium'' about this phone, and the price is unjustifiable.
Google has basically out right copied Apple/Iphone, in relation to Apple's business model (relating to the iphone 6/6s/7). Talk about a major cop out.
There is absolutely no innovation in the new pixel phones. None at all. It even has a sub par basic dac, and a tinny sounding bottom speaker. Even the design is basic and retro, and the marketing is just like apple's. All this spewing of this device being ''premium'' from almost all reviewers on youtube (which, for some reason, all are stating the same caption being ''the best android phone around'' makes me wonder whether google are imposing the same tactics that apple uses by inadvertently paying for good reviews).
So what, you make a basic handset, but charge hundreds for it, and now automatically it falls into the region of being premium?
Is this some sort of joke? Google is really going to charge consumers over £700 when it isn't even worth that much.
If they really wanted to compete with apple, then at least place high quality components into the device, as apple do.
So from now on people, unfortunately what we will have for the next few years, is googles new business model, which will be near on identical to apple's. So next years new pixel phones probably may omit a headphone jack, a slightly more vibrant screen and a different letter or two placed next the the pixel name to differentiate it from the previous models, but no real substantial innovation or forward thinking. Great.
It sucks. I use to experience excitement these last few years, as each year, regarding the nexus line, excitement and talk would build on who was going to build the next nexus, etc etc, and now that has all gone down the pan.
I wont be buying it. That is for sure.
I can even imagine them being unrootable..
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Honestly, ranting about a phone you don't own is pretty hilarious.

RonnieRuff said:
Honestly, ranting about a phone you don't own is pretty hilarious.
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It is hilarious. But, I do agree that they eventually need to support phones as long as Apple does. I think this will come eventually as they build their supply chain, which is probably contingent on the success of this phone, and begin to source components for manufacturing. I also see Google eventually being able to undercut the competitors slightly in pricing, or outdoing them with features and hardware. After all, they do produce the base that all Android OEMs use.

Ok, 24h later it's not that bad, but still not sure if I'm keeping it. The design does take some getting used to to say the least. I do very much love their wallpaper collection granted not a device feature at all but very nice all the same.

The back is indeed extremely ugly. But i've never NOT had a case on my smart phones, so it doesn't bother me since it's going to be covered up anyway. I always get bumper cases that have port covers to protect against the numerous amount of pocket lint that collects in my work pants, lol.
Just saw a YouTube video that suggests this phone may be more water resistant then Google is letting on. Survived submerged in water for an hour with the only problem being the speaker got messed up. But remember, this is only one test on one device. Still, very impressive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YojQneS6Yts

Its a free enterprise and we have choices to spend our hard earned money on.
I for one will not be fooled by this Google hype. Mark my words by years end prices
will come down big time. Maybe just maybe I will consider. These phones are not worth
what they are asking. When they drop 200 on each model then I consider.
Looks like the Pixel battery life is not that great so the XL would be the only option.
If you are on ATT you get no HD calling and no WIFI calling.
I don't have to be redundant but we all know the missing features vs the iPhone 7 or Galaxy S7.
To those 2 the Pixel line cant hold a candle.
Problem is, the people who have taken the plunge will try to justify their purchase with any
rhetoric they can come up with. You will find out that you will not be able to resell next year for anything
near the iphone resale, to make matters worse, when the discounts come it will be even worse.
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The phone is definitely premium. Latest specs, amazing photos and videos, good screen, Unlocked bootloader. If lg or anyone else made this phone it would be the same price. Google didn't make it a phone killer for a reason. They don't want LG, Samsung and the rest of them to feel threatened. They need them to still make money. But if you forgotten the new iphone design is stolen from HTC.
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bobby janow said:
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The bolded sentence says it all really doesn't it..
I created a thread about my purchasing/returning the nexus 5x, and i raised my concerns as to why, highlighting my dislikes, and you've gouded me ever since, because it happens to be the phone you use and are still using, one year on.
Need I say more.

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The bolded sentence says it all really doesn't it..
I created a thread about my purchasing/returning the nexus 5x, and i raised my concerns as to why, highlighting my dislikes, and you've gouded me ever since, because it happens to be the phone you use and are still using, one year on.
Need I say more.
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Yes, please. How do you like your new Pixel? Or did you get the Pixel XL? I'd love to hear your hands on review.

Will there ever be another device like the V20?

High end device with user replaceable battery, IPS LCD to retain natural color reproduction, separate 2nd screen for shortcuts-music control-notifications, microSD, ideal fingerprint location-functionality, quad DAC-headphone jack considering current trends+the V30 abandoned several of those?
Yes it could have fit dual front facing stereo speakers, better front facing camera & low light cameras but is the V20 the last of it's kind with all these aforementioned features because I'm considering buying more now that they can be had at bargain prices?

The only correct answer is "Nobody knows what the future will bring."
I can take a guess. Since water proofing seems popular now I suspect any openings in the case will be eliminated if possible to please those who think they should teach their phone to swim. That means no replaceable battery and no headphone jack for sure and maybe no more SD cards.
Personally, if I drop my phone in the toilet it's history but for those who like "crappy" phones they must be water proof!

I think I'm the only person who actually likes the sound of the V30 (I currently have a V20). I really don't need a hot-swappable battery as I've always found fast charging to be enough, and I really like the idea of added waterproofing and dust protection. The second screen is great but the always-on feature that AMOLED displays offer covers that for me. So in my opinion, yeah! LG seem committed to keeping the advanced features for the V series at the moment. But for those of you who really like the idea of a user-replaceable battery, I'd say those days are numbered.

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High end device with user replaceable battery, IPS LCD to retain natural color reproduction, separate 2nd screen for shortcuts-music control-notifications, microSD, ideal fingerprint location-functionality, quad DAC-headphone jack considering current trends+the V30 abandoned several of those?
Yes it could have fit dual front facing stereo speakers, better front facing camera & low light cameras but is the V20 the last of it's kind with all these aforementioned features because I'm considering buying more now that they can be had at bargain prices?
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I would suggest focusing on new models that have an easily replaced battery (IE some Motorolas, One plus etc) and other features that you like (ext SD etc). For me the ability to somewhat easily replace the battery is a HUGE factor in my decision buying a phone... Because I like keeping my heavily used phones more than a year or so. I always check ifixit before buying or recommending a phone... To see how easy it is to replace the battery
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I would suggest focusing on new models that have an easily replaced battery (IE some Motorolas, One plus etc) and other features that you like (ext SD etc). For me the ability to somewhat easily replace the battery is a HUGE factor in my decision buying a phone... Because I like keeping my heavily used phones more than a year or so. I always check ifixit before buying or recommending a phone... To see how easy it is to replace the battery
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I do exactly the same!

I really do favor being able to pop in a new battery in seconds at will vs hassles or planned obsolescence. I'd even like to see manufacturers offer slide in batteries of different sizes & offer case options for waterproofing and sports models for those who may refuse to use any kind of case.
I view the disappearance of user replaceable batteries as an extension of Apple's market power and hostility (my way or the highway proprietary attitude) to the end user. Apple never offered user replaceable batteries (nor expandable storage) and it was once a distinguishing Android device feature.
I see people around me often with dying phones being tethered to walls or carrying around large external batteries for their devices. The only smartphone I've ever owned without a user replaceable battery is the Nexus 6P & after that terrible experience of the battery dying so early ultimately having to get it professionally replaced really cemented how much I hate not being able to pop in a new battery at will. It's almost like a claustrophobic crippled feeling having to deal with an enclosed battery with no sd card like the Nexus 6P. User replaceable batteries also makes the secondary used device market much more viable vs getting a dying enclosed battery with used devices. Sales enhanced with planned obsolescence seem to take priority over offering end users & the e-waste-environment other options. I'd like to see https://www.androidpolice.com/2017/...s-smartphones-tech-last-longer-easier-repair/ happen in other markets including the US but won't hold my breath.
Regarding upcoming high end devices (none I see with removable batteries sadly), as I prefer IPS LCD to retain natural color reproduction with loud speakers-headphone jack, potentially good cameras, I'll check out the reviews & ifixit for https://www.gsmarena.com/asus_zenfone_5_ze620kl-9061.php but would not expect future phones to be as repairable as https://ifixit.org/blog/8550/lg-v20-repair-phone/ :
Wired’s Brian Barrett called the V20 a phone for power users who “feel rightly abandoned by the move toward one monolithic, iPhone-inspired smartphone design upon which HTC and Google and Motorola and others have converged. The V20 wants you to know that you are not forgotten.”
“It’s refreshing to hold a phone with a removable battery. It’s beneficial on so many levels. The life of the phone is extended by years and the battery replacements are inexpensive and so easy that anyone can do it,” Zack told us. “Screen replacements are a little more technical. But only one tool is required: a screwdriver. And that makes it simple for the average person to fix on their own.”
Any upcoming devices catch anyone's attention?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8XYKIdG9tI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4pN-vqLCj0

In theory, this phone is perfect. But the planned obsolescence and flimsy plastic bull**** it was constructed with has cost 2 new headphone jacks and 2 new bezels in a year; although I'm counting it as three since my headphone jack has AGAIN worn out and needs to be replaced, along with the bottom bezel. At this point, I am convinced I could either have built a better phone myself or should have just kept my indestructible flip phone and bought a DAP.

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has cost 2 new headphone jacks and 2 new bezels in a year; although I'm counting it as three since my headphone jack has AGAIN worn out and needs to be replaced, along with the bottom bezel. At this point, I am convinced I could either have built a better phone myself or should have just kept my indestructible flip phone and bought a DAP.
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Maybe by now, you'd arrive at the conclusion bluetooth headset won't do that like conventional physical plug in versions? Just a thought. My daughter complained about her LG G3 and the one-sided output from the physical jack. Bluetooth headset solved that but quick

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Maybe by now, you'd arrive at the conclusion bluetooth headset won't do that like conventional physical plug in versions? Just a thought. My daughter complained about her LG G3 and the one-sided output from the physical jack. Bluetooth headset solved that but quick
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Well, the reason I got the v20 was for the DAC. Irony hits in all the right places.

I am in the same dilemma as to what will I replace the V20 with when it knocks out. I got the phone because of the DAC and user replaceable battery. My gripe with LG now is slowness of updating the software.

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The only correct answer is "Nobody knows what the future will bring."
I can take a guess. Since water proofing seems popular now I suspect any openings in the case will be eliminated if possible to please those who think they should teach their phone to swim. That means no replaceable battery and no headphone jack for sure and maybe no more SD cards.
Personally, if I drop my phone in the toilet it's history but for those who like "crappy" phones they must be water proof!
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The Galaxy S5 was waterproof and had a replaceable battery.
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I am in the same dilemma as to what will I replace the V20 with when it knocks out. I got the phone because of the DAC and user replaceable battery. My gripe with LG now is slowness of updating the software.
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Not really slow considering the factors that carriers get in the way. Also going straight to Oreo.
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The Galaxy S5 was water "resistant", not water proof. To be waterproof a phone would need no openings in the case and I suspect that's what they're working toward. Seems silly to me, the V20 just may be my last phone since I like replaceable batteries AND SD cards. I don't need waterproofing (so far) as I've never soaked a phone.
Hope I didn't just jinx myself!

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The Galaxy S5 was waterproof and had a replaceable battery.
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Not really slow considering the factors that carriers get in the way. Also going straight to Oreo.
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Mine was sim free. I would still say its slow considering phones like mate 9 r running Oreo

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I do exactly the same!
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Easy like the one plus 5t (for a sealed battery its pretty easy, if your used to this sort of thing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=l7UvDoj6RZA

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Easy like the one plus 5t (for a sealed battery its pretty easy, if your used to this sort of thing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=l7UvDoj6RZA
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Definitely been around a device or two. I'm usually "tech support" for friends and family. Not an electronics technician, just a hobbyist. I'm actually a machinist. I'll give anything a shot before it goes in the trash.
I've been able to score some "broken" devices and get tons of use after repair, dating back to the OG Droid A855.
(3) Nexus 7 2013. One for my car install, one for my daughter, and one for around the house. 2 of them were broken screens.
My wife's "water damaged" G3, which is still alive going on 3 years after an alcohol bath fix, even after mine started wigging out with SIM errors (baked it, got it working, then bought my US996 a week later).
I've torn down a brand new Galaxy S6 and a broken screen one just to swap the board to recover data, then swap it all back to send in for insurance, lol. That was fun...stupid glass backings.
Baked my brothers V10 to get it to boot. Recover some data, it looped again, disassemble, baked it, assemble, recovered more data, looped, dissassemble, bake, assemble, recover......total of 7 times, lol.
The days of having an easily repairable device with a removable battery are slowly dying. But where there is a will, there is always a way.

It is unfortunate that it seems that way.
I'm okay with Galaxy S5 level of water resistance. I used to wash that phone on the sink constantly, and shower with it. It was enough. So there are ways to still have removable battery covers.
The problem is that most of us that opted for the V20 was for the features it have that no other phones had. If I wanted a AMOLED with always on display I would've go for a Samsung or many others. I prefer the far more useful for me second screen, it works for shortcuts, controls and notifications. Although I wish I could have even more control over it, specially like when playing fullscreen games.
I prefer IPS screens over all others any day. Specially over Samsungs SAMOLEDs, those give me headaches due to its sub pixel alignment.
The Quad-DAC headphone jack is miles ahead of grand majority of phones. On the level of overly priced music players. And the IR is something I need, for in my house family always lose/brake the remotes.
The phone was truly the last phone released for power users, the phone had every tech you could cram it, only missing true stereo speakers. Decent dual cameras with great software, removable battery, mSD, DAC, IR, a second scree, display out, near perfect IPS display, sturdy construction relative to most other phones that brake on first drop.
I seriously have no idea to what phone I would jump to, none satisfy me. Would go for a Razer phone, for the whole project linda thing. But no headphone jack makes it a no.

Overall love

Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Moto G6, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Moto G6 is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Got it activated first on Project Fi 3 days ago, for some reasons - I was "expecting" it to be a little bigger but it's just 2 clicks larger than the Nexus 5X getting traded in with the "generous" upgrade. For an entry/mid-range smartphone in 2018, I voted a 4 out of 5 (not that the absence of NFC or inability to use G.Pay is a make or break deal, I hardly use it & most places still do not accept it as mobile payment here in the US)
Dolby sound is very good, screen is bright & audio played via the speaker is fine - giving it a good workout as we hit the road today for a trip, more on the G6 later ... bootloader still locked at the moment.
Net cost to get this brand new G6 to me is about $120 after the trade-in, not really spend much more than paying someone to replace the old, tired & not as good 2.5 years old battery on the Nexus 5X, so I'm a little biased on this Lenovo/Motorola piece.

Letitride said:
Got it activated first on Project Fi 3 days ago, for some reasons - I was "expecting" it to be a little bigger but it's just 2 clicks larger than the Nexus 5X getting traded in with the "generous" upgrade. For an entry/mid-range smartphone in 2018, I voted a 4 out of 5 (not that the absence of NFC or inability to use G.Pay is a make or break deal, I hardly use it & most places still do not accept it as mobile payment here in the US)
Dolby sound is very good, screen is bright & audio played via the speaker is fine - giving it a good workout as we hit the road today for a trip, more on the G6 later ... bootloader still locked at the moment.
Net cost to get this brand new G6 to me is about $120 after the trade-in, not really spend much more than paying someone to replace the old, tired & not as good 2.5 years old battery on the Nexus 5X, so I'm a little biased on this Lenovo/Motorola piece.
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Similar thoughts as you (also running the Project Fi version of the phone).
- Phone is smaller than I expected.
- Loving the thin bezels, looks much more premium than the actual cost to me ($200)
- I don't use NFC. Don't trust it, so the lack of NFC is not a big deal
- Battery life is good, front facing speaker loud, screen is bright and sharp
- Responsiveness is in line with what you would expect from a $300-400 phone IMO
- Nearly stock Android experience = CLUTCH

Agree with others. Coming from a 5X most everything is acceptable given the price. I was blown away by the speaker. BUT my biggest gripe is the cameras low light performance...its not good by any means, very grainy, colors are bad. Regular outdoor pics are good though. Also wouldve preferred for it to NOT have a glass back since im a klutz and guaranteed to break it.

Have had this phone a couple of weeks now. Got to say I like it a lot. Definitely a step up from my Xiaomi Redmi Note 2 that I had for 3 years. This is also the most expensive phone (about $250) I've had as I'm a cheap skate and no way I'm ever paying $400 plus for a phone. Just can't bring myself to do it. The price I paid for this phone is "high dollar" for me, lol. Still getting used to the new 18x9 screen. A part of me likes it and a part of me likes 16x9 better. Since pretty much all phones are going to this size, I guess I better get used to it. The new screen size almost feels like a "cheater" to me. Moved the menu icons inside screen and made the width smaller making keyboard in portrait view (which is the way I text) actually a little smaller than what I had. Taller view but most stuff you view in landscape has bars so I don't see the benefit to it yet. Most comments I read about it, people love it. Me not so much. Phone itself is very good. Performance is very good, screen resolution is very good, camera is very good, battery life is very good (especially compared to my Redmi Note 2 which was a battery sucker). I like Android 8 and Moto apps. Pretty much bloatware free, and is nice and snappy. Had to put a case on it (put a Spigen on it) cause the phone actually felt a little small in my hands. The case gave it a little more bulk and made it feel a lot better in my hand. Love the fingerprint scanner which to me is the coolest thing since sliced bread (yup I'm a dinosaur). To tell the truth I would probably still be using the Note 2 but it started acting up on me. Now since I got this one though, it pretty much blows away my old phone in every way possible which of course is a good thing since I spent the bucks for a new phone. All in all I'm pretty damned happy with this phone. About the only thing I could say I wished it was, was a bigger phone. I went from a 5.5" 16x9 screen to a 5.7" 18x9 screen and this feels smaller than the other one to me in my hands. In the 18x9 size, I wish a had like a 6" or 6.5" screen. That would give more width that I would like to have. The width on the 16x9 was actually about 1/4" wider than the18x9 one, which is actually a substantial difference when using a keyboard.

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Have had this phone a couple of weeks now. Got to say I like it a lot. Definitely a step up from my Xiaomi Redmi Note 2 that I had for 3 years. This is also the most expensive phone (about $250) I've had as I'm a cheap skate and no way I'm ever paying $400 plus for a phone. Just can't bring myself to do it. The price I paid for this phone is "high dollar" for me, lol. Still getting used to the new 18x9 screen. A part of me likes it and a part of me likes 16x9 better. Since pretty much all phones are going to this size, I guess I better get used to it. The new screen size almost feels like a "cheater" to me. Moved the menu icons inside screen and made the width smaller making keyboard in portrait view (which is the way I text) actually a little smaller than what I had. Taller view but most stuff you view in landscape has bars so I don't see the benefit to it yet. Most comments I read about it, people love it. Me not so much. Phone itself is very good. Performance is very good, screen resolution is very good, camera is very good, battery life is very good (especially compared to my Redmi Note 2 which was a battery sucker). I like Android 8 and Moto apps. Pretty much bloatware free, and is nice and snappy. Had to put a case on it (put a Spigen on it) cause the phone actually felt a little small in my hands. The case gave it a little more bulk and made it feel a lot better in my hand. Love the fingerprint scanner which to me is the coolest thing since sliced bread (yup I'm a dinosaur). To tell the truth I would probably still be using the Note 2 but it started acting up on me. Now since I got this one though, it pretty much blows away my old phone in every way possible which of course is a good thing since I spent the bucks for a new phone. All in all I'm pretty damned happy with this phone. About the only thing I could say I wished it was, was a bigger phone. I went from a 5.5" 16x9 screen to a 5.7" 18x9 screen and this feels smaller than the other one to me in my hands. In the 18x9 size, I wish a had like a 6" or 6.5" screen. That would give more width that I would like to have. The width on the 16x9 was actually about 1/4" wider than the18x9 one, which is actually a substantial difference when using a keyboard.
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Great post, MikeO89...
Love your enthusiasm for the G6. It pretty much echoes mine.
I paid £220 here in the UK for mine, and like yourself, it's really about as much as I want to pay for a phone these days. There's been a considerable amount of coverage over the recent release of the Samsung Galaxy Note 9, and certainly the specs do look pretty damn awesome, but at close to nearly a £1000, an eye-watering sum of money for me... well, I just couldn't envisage spending that amount, even if I had it. Maybe when I have the next winning Euromillions lottery ticket, I'll buy one or whatever flagship is out then, but until that auspicious and lucky day arrives, I'm more than happy with my Moto G6.
And which I bought to replace my ageing and battery-dying HTC One M8, which I paid £530 for back in 2014. I remember my Dad at the time saying in almost stunned and amazed disbelief "You want to spend how much on a phone??!!!" as though he'd not quite heard me correctly. Of course, I did try to explain that it was more of a personal pocket computer that just happens to have the ability to make phone calls. After I bought one and he saw it in action and began to understand the capabilities of it... well, he went out and bought one himself!
That was four years ago, and I'm a little bit more price conscious these days, so when my One M8's battery began to die earlier this year, I knew I needed a new phone.
Initially, I made the mistake of assuming that you needed to spend £600 or £700 on a phone to get a quality device. I'd been hearing about the Moto G series phones and the rave reviews they'd received around a year before, so when I heard about this years G6 release, I checked out all the reviews. My initial response was one of skepticism ~ how can a company like Lenovo release a phone with such great features at just a shade over £200 AND make a profit. Surely there's a catch, I mean there has to be, right? Wrong!
As it turns out, the Moto G6 is every bit as good as the reviews say it is. And you don't need to mortgage your soul to own one. I mean, where do I begin... fast turbo charging, really nice vibrant colourful screen, amazing battery life, Android 8 Oreo with next-to-no bloat, and fingerprint unlock. Yeah, I love fingerprint unlock. It's like your very own personal ON switch that nobody else can use, and no more playing join-the-dots and trying to remember which unlock pattern is correct for this device amongst the other devices (tablets) I own.
As for the size and aspect ratio, I love it. Coming from my old HTC One M8 which had an aspect of 16:9 and a resolution of 1080x1920...
...to the Moto G6 with an aspect of 18:9 (Rhetorical question: why isn't it just simply called 2:1) and resolution of 1080x2160, which my calculations reveal to be a 12.5% increase based on number of pixels alone. It is a sort of a cheat, but I feel in a good way. I now have a phone that doesn't feel significantly bigger than my One M8, because the width has stayed the same, but the height has increased, but not by that much when you 'add-on' the One M8's speakers at the top and bottom, but the actual screen size increase on the G6 is quite noticeable.
I use Nova Launcher, and I like tinkering around with Themes, Icon Packs, Wallpapers and Layouts and with the increase vertically, I now have more layout options for things like icons and widgets, because there's an extra couple of rows on the Nova desktop. And 5.7 inches feels about right to me. I'm not sure I would feel comfortable handling something like a 6 inch or larger device. If I can, I like to operate my phone one-handed and the bigger these things get, the more difficult one-handed operation becomes.
I do take your point about black bars in landscape mode though, particularly if you're watching video content, most of which tends to be shot in 16:9 aspect. This doesn't overly bother me really, because I generally don't watch a lot of stuff on my phone anyway. And when I do, I just sort of ignore the black bars. I watch a lot of old films and TV dramas on my TV back when things were shot in 4:3 aspect, and I just got used to seeing left and right black bars on my TV, so on my phone it's really not an issue for me.
I guess we can quibble about the shortcomings of the G6 ~ for example, the one thing I do miss is the left and right stereo HTC BoomSound front facing speakers that provided great quality audio on my old One M8. On the G6 there's only a single mono speaker - it sounds pretty good, but I miss the stereo - gotta dig out my headphones now if I want stereo. Great that there's an old fashioned 3.5mm audio socket on it for me to use my headphones. Won't get that an some £1000 flagships! I jest of course; I'm not having a pop at flagship devices, I'm just amused by the irony of it.
So, on the whole, minor quibbles aside, the Moto G6 is a pretty amazing phone for such a great price. It performs brilliantly and looks great. The Gorilla Glass back adds a touch of class to the device, although it can feel a little bit slippery at times. When I first got it, I had unpleasant visions of it sliding out of my hand and crashing to the concrete outside and cracking all that beautiful glass (the horror, the horror!), so I have now ensconced it in the protective embrace of a Spigen case, which actually looks quite good, and feels good in the hand too.
Well, that pretty much says it all really. A great phone at a great price. Can't really say much more than that... Well, I could, but then I'd be here all night typing superlatives and this post would just go on and on and on and on, etc., etc. and etc.
Ged.

its not the fastest device but for a budget device I really like it.

Overall probably the best bang for your buck if your looking at carrier specific devices. Came from a Galaxy S7 which I kinda went swimming with. I'm loving the 18:9 screen. I do notice the occasional hiccup when multitasking, but the battery life is on another level compared to my old S7.

Love my North American unlocked G6! Great value for the money. The battery life is fine, but I suggest using a browser for some of your social media, if you want to get plenty of power for a day of use.
I've already gotten direct looks at my phone from other people, and some folks can't believe I paid less than $300 for it. Glad I chose the oyster finish vs deep indigo. I do have a case on it, as the glass back is known to crack easily if the phone falls hard on the ground. My B&H order came with a free frosted silicone case, and tempered glass for the screen. Perfect!

Coming from U11 life, this phone seems better.
VoLTE and Wi-Fi Calling work out of the box with T-Mobile
Rather loud speaker
I think 2:1 screen is OK
It looks like plain Android
Cam looks OK under low light
Decent reception with B12
It's fast like 6xx processor.
Adjustable screen tint
I am satisfied with the phone for the price.

Cool looking..

I've manageg to buy mine G6 for 129EUR, for that price it's best device I could choose.

Great phone for ~$100 now on eBay that's still getting security updates.
Pros:
+ $100 now on eBay for like-new condition
+ Almost pure stock Android, very little bloat and what is there I actually use (chop twice for flashlight, etc). Very stable.
+ Great band support, unlocked XT1925-6 will work on any US carrier, only missing bands 14, 46, and 71.
+ 3gb RAM is plenty sufficient to keep about three resource-heavy apps active at once.
+ Camera is decent enough and about what you'd expect from a phone in this price range.
+ You can adjust DPI under developer options, which makes content on phone appear larger/smaller so you can fit more on-screen. Very handy.
Cons:
- SD450 is an obvious bottleneck in resource-heavy apps, expect sporadic lag if you're playing PUBGM or running a browser with ten tabs open.
- Battery life could be better, usually end the day around 20% with moderate use. Not bad, but not great either.
If this had a SD600 series and a slightly larger battery it'd easily be 5*. For $100 bucks though it's hard to be upset with it.

Well I found the first problem with this phone. I can't get it to recognize an external microphone to record with the camera. I plugged in an external mic I had (3.5mm with 4 pin plug) and at first thought it was working as I made a couple of videos. Then I noticed in the videos that the sound would go up and down through the video. As I later found out, the volume was going up and down each time I would walk away from the phone while recording being the external mic had a 6 ft cord on it. I then actually tested the external mic this time (like I should have from the beginning) and found out the whole time it was still recording with the onboard mic even with external mic plugged in. The G6 was just ignoring it as a microphone and treating it as a headphone. So now I'm stymied. The onboard mic works well enough but I really wanted to have an external mic if I wanted it. I can hardly find any info on this whole external mic vs onboard mic thing with cellphones. Still like this phone and plan on having it for quite some time but a little bummed about this latest development.

OK, doing a follow up post to the one above concerning the issue with G6 not recognizing external mic when making a video. I had about given up on this and I had been searching like crazy about it. With my lack on finding anyone having similar issues like this, I was starting to think I'm the only one who is trying to use an external mic with this phone to make videos. I thought maybe is was just a jack issue so I then tried same external mic with my voice recorder app. With that app the external mic was working. Now I knew it wasn't the jack. I then installed "Open Camera" from the Google Play Store. There was actually a setting in video settings to select an external mic for recording. I then went ahead and made another video using the external mic and what do you know it worked perfect! One other setting that I'm excited about so far in Open Camera is the video stabilization setting. I don't have the steadiest hands and always had to use a tripod or my videos would come out like being on a boat. Made one with that setting on and it kept the video still as I was shooting it. It made me look like my shake was gone (wish it really was). This Open Camera app just kicks the living **** out of the Moto G6 stock camera app! Sure glad I tried it.

Got one on Motorola promo for $100. Very nice inexpensive backup phone!