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Why I'm returning my G5, after 5 days

In short, the G5 feels poor, for a flagship. I knew about some of these issues beforehand but I didn't think they would bother me as much. I've never returned a phone before.
I'm coming to it from a Samsung S6 Edge and iPhone 6. I can include the Nexus 5 and even the HTC One X in here too. They all felt a lot better, smoother and cleaner.
I wanted the G5 + Hi-Fi Plus to replace the phone + audio player combination I've gotten used to (most recently, Sony Walkman NWZ-ZX2).
I still haven't received my Hi-Fi Plus. But even if it was great (it is essential, for me), it wouldn't make up for everything else.
It feels like there is a lip when you swipe from the side of the screen. It's not smooth glass like an iPhone, S6/S7 Edge, or Nexus 5. It doesn't feel nice.
The chrome trim around the back has hideous gaps. The bottom of the phone doesn't align along perfectly along the sides. I think this is shocking in this day and age. I can imagine Steve Jobs slapping you in the face if you tried to release something like this at Apple.
The fingerprint scanner doesn't always work and seems to be worse than my iPhone and the S6 Edge.
The battery life is mediocre, even without always-on display. With lighter than average use I can go a day. I would expect this to be reduced with the Hi-Fi Plus. I don't want to carry two batteries and I don't want to be swapping batteries until this one becomes suboptimal. But by that time I will probably want a new device.
The supposedly metal body feels like plastic, so what's the point of it? It's not as though plastic phones fall apart or melt in time. Moreover, this prevents wireless charging.
Audio quality through the standard headphone socket is dull. The fact that something can play 24-bit audio doesn't mean it will sound great.
The tapered top of the phone means that I can't use a screen protector. In the long term, this is not a good idea, especially without a case.
The fact that the Hi-Fi Plus makes it a little bigger means that I can't use a case.
I think I'll get the HTC 10 when it's released, because the S7 Edge isn't a worthwhile upgrade over a 128GB S6 Edge.

I had similar build quality concerns. You can actually see some of these things in review photos and videos of you know what you are looking for. A friend of mine has already exchanged his first G5 due to build quality.
BTW, what does the M10 have over the S7E that makes it worth the upgrade and the S7E not? Just curious.

Wow, I've had a totally different experience. My build quality is perfect much to my surprise. The seams along the modular edge are spot on. The fingerprint scanner is spot on. Faster than my S7 and on par with the Nexus 6P.
The screen lies smooth to the side and I like the curved top and bottom as I really don't use screen protectors anymore. The gaps on the chrome are antenna lines, at least they are not all over the phone. As far the finish it's a coating. I like it as it has better grip than my S7 edge or any metal/glass phone and I have no blemishes thankfully.
I can't comment on the headphone audio as I use LG Tones and the sound has been great coming from Bluetooth.
As far as the M10 it will be no where near as good as the S7 or even this. Why? Because HTC has lost its identity and produces a mismosh of tech. Smaller screen, added a home button and remove its defining feature the front facing speakers. Blah. Ill skip it.
I'm sure Steve Jobs has already rolled over in his grave with the crap Apple has been pushing out for the last few years. Innovation stopped with his illness and unfortunate death. They have been far too stagnant. From antenna gate to bending phones to buggy os releases there are plenty of bad quality control issues at Apple, no company is exempt.
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Well to be fair to the HTC 10 it presumably will have a better DAC in it than the stock SD820 DAC that the S7 and G5 has. But at the same time the SD DAC which has been notoriously awful over the years is much improved. Definitely good enough for most people or cheap gym headphones. I would also give a slight nod to Sense over touchwiz and LGs new abomination of an iphone setup.

I am Coming from the HTC m7 and htc models before the m7, after one week i am still fascinated from the design and the quality of the the G5. Battery is ok could be better but ok. i am not more then 24 h away from a power supply and can still use some powerbanks on tours. the Launcher i use for years now is Lightning Launcher so i never have to care bout sense or other original used launchers by the manufacturer of my phone. till now the phone is top for me.
let me see if the sound module can beat the boomsound of HTC and if it will get rooted for some framework and so on.

For me, the back seam is not straight in terms of height. The seams along the side don't align either.
I think in part I'm used to devices impressing me in the hand. The One X felt amazing. The Nexus 5 felt very clean. The S6 Edge looked fantastic (although the Edge was pointless).
These things wouldn't bother me so much if I kept the phone in a case, but this won't happen.
Even without sound quality considerations, I much prefer the S7/Edge/HTC 10. I can get a separate DAP (I'm considering Onkyo DP-X1 but waiting for it be released in Europe, for warranty reasons).

The one clear advantage of the HTC 10, for me, is that you can use the microSD for app storage. I found that I'd used up all the space on the G5 after saving a lot of Spotify music for offline access. It felt like a step backwards from a 128GB S6 Edge in this regard.

Mines perfect. I adore this device. Sorry to hear your device sucked.
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Bye, and dont let the door hit you in the arse on your way out.

If you're that much of an audiophile.... I don't even know why you'd consider a phone to play audio. Just my 0.02.
Fingerprint scanner is spot on for me.. Even when I'm dirty at work, it still picks it up. My S6 Edge+ would pick it up 10% of the time when my hands were clean.
Sure, I went through 8 G5's before I settled. Is this one flawless? No. It's slightly off flush. Do I care? Not really... It's in a case.
Do I expect perfect QC for a $700 phone? Sure. But it's not going to happen until manufacturing returns to this country. Will that happen? Nope.
Overall, I'm loving this phone. Displays nice, clear, and smooth. UI is great... Probably moving back to nova, but the styling and icons are beautiful. The grip without a case is great for a metal phone. Due to the coating, for sure.
It just feels and looks nicer than the S6 and S7 IMO. Had the M10 not had a physical home button, I would've considered it. Nothing says classy like a buttonless face.
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Rauch said:
If you're that much of an audiophile.... I don't even know why you'd consider a phone to play audio. Just my 0.02.
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Because its not asking too much to want above average quality without having to carry multiple devices. Im not expecting it to rvial my fiio x3 but it should at least be passable for the gym etc.
Rauch said:
ISure, I went through 8 G5's before I settled. Is this one flawless? No. It's slightly off flush. Do I care? Not really... It's in a case.
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You went through 8 then immediately claim you dont care? Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself that you dont care not us.
Rauch said:
IDo I expect perfect QC for a $700 phone? Sure. But it's not going to happen until manufacturing returns to this country. Will that happen? Nope.
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I know right, it really sucked when they stopped making smartphones here right? Whats that? They have never been made here? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Really though, how can you even try that excuse? The G5 is made the same way the s7/iphone is made. Cheap asian labor but you dont see these issues plaguing them do you? This notion that made in china = garbage is so ignorant and shortsighted. It dont matter where its made the manufacturer can set the quality standards its like this in every country no matter what they are making.

Exactly. I don't want to carry two devices all the time. Especially in the summer.
The Hi-Fi Plus could make the G5 compete with DAPs that cost roughly the same.
The ZX2 was good but it was stuck on Android 4.2. The DP-X1 is still not forthcoming for me. So I need something. I sold the S6 Edge and my iPhone doesn't have enough memory for much music.
Yes, some of these issues are due to quality control. Others are just very bad design choices.
I'm still having problems with the fingerprint scanner. I tried rescanning carefully but it hasn't improved.
I'm also a little sceptical about the fast charging estimates. I think they're underestimated.

Aeneas said:
The one clear advantage of the HTC 10, for me, is that you can use the microSD for app storage. I found that I'd used up all the space on the G5 after saving a lot of Spotify music for offline access. It felt like a step backwards from a 128GB S6 Edge in this regard.
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I hope you know that one can change storage too sd card thou: In spotify go to settings > scroll down to storage > choose sd card
And problem solved!

notinterested said:
Because its not asking too much to want above average quality without having to carry multiple devices. Im not expecting it to rvial my fiio x3 but it should at least be passable for the gym etc.
You went through 8 then immediately claim you dont care? Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself that you dont care not us.
I know right, it really sucked when they stopped making smartphones here right? Whats that? They have never been made here? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Really though, how can you even try that excuse? The G5 is made the same way the s7/iphone is made. Cheap asian labor but you dont see these issues plaguing them do you? This notion that made in china = garbage is so ignorant and shortsighted. It dont matter where its made the manufacturer can set the quality standards its like this in every country no matter what they are making.
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If quality of music is your biggest concern at the gym, you've got some other issues at hand. You should become more focused on your workout and sweating away that fat instead of worrying how good your music sounds.
Yeah, I went through 8 because the moment you pull them out of the box the flaws were that noticeable. Beyond that, no big deal.
Ignorant and short sighted? No. Compare tools made in China vs. Made in america, germany, or Spain. Big difference. Or more importantly - copper and steel pipe and fittings. Tell me there's no quality difference between something made with cheap labor vs. Something made here. The fact I can crack a 2" black iron fitting with an 18" pipe wrench is enough to see there is a difference. Than you factor in dimensions and threading differences.... Get out in the real world and realize there is a huge quality difference between cheap labor and expensive labor.
Oh, I'm sorry.... Did you forget about about the admitted iphone 5S manufacturing defects? Could be sworn there was something wrong with the 6's as well!
Open your eyes kiddo.
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Rauch said:
If quality of music is your biggest concern at the gym, you've got some other issues at hand. You should become more focused on your workout and sweating away that fat instead of worrying how good your music sounds.
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What? That makes no sense AT ALL... Music is a motivator, when your music sounds like ass its a distraction. You must not go to the gym.
Rauch said:
Ignorant and short sighted? No. Compare tools made in China vs. Made in america, germany, or Spain. Big difference. Or more importantly - copper and steel pipe and fittings. Tell me there's no quality difference between something made with cheap labor vs. Something made here. The fact I can crack a 2" black iron fitting with an 18" pipe wrench is enough to see there is a difference. Than you factor in dimensions and threading differences.... Get out in the real world and realize there is a huge quality difference between cheap labor and expensive labor.
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Thats a cute analogy ill give you another one.
Compare the iphone and the galaxy s7 to the G5. All are made in the same place 2 are considered to be very well made one has problems like crazy.
get out in the real world and realize all phones are made in cheap asian countries and only one has these glaring issues and you will see a flawed design for what it is. Your argument holds no water whatsoever.
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Oh, I'm sorry.... Did you forget about about the admitted iphone 5S manufacturing defects? Could be sworn there was something wrong with the 6's as well!
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You must be joking right? Those where design flaws antennagate was bad design not bad production. The iphone 6 bending was bad design not bad production.
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Open your eyes kiddo.
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Open my eyes? Your argument is that the G5 is messed up because its "made in china" every other smartphone on the planet is too and they are just fine... Stop being so stubbornly ignorant.

BudaBang said:
I hope you know that one can change storage too sd card thou: In spotify go to settings > scroll down to storage > choose sd card
And problem solved!
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Lol. I was going to say that.
But yes g5 has micro sd slot.
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notinterested said:
What? That makes no sense AT ALL... Music is a motivator, when your music sounds like ass its a distraction. You must not go to the gym.
Thats a cute analogy ill give you another one.
Compare the iphone and the galaxy s7 to the G5. All are made in the same place 2 are considered to be very well made one has problems like crazy.
get out in the real world and realize all phones are made in cheap asian countries and only one has these glaring issues and you will see a flawed design for what it is. Your argument holds no water whatsoever.
You must be joking right? Those where design flaws antennagate was bad design not bad production. The iphone 6 bending was bad design not bad production.
Open my eyes? Your argument is that the G5 is messed up because its "made in china" every other smartphone on the planet is too and they are just fine... Stop being so stubbornly ignorant.
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Bro, you make some solid points

Baxter you know I don't speak Spanish.

Aeneas said:
The one clear advantage of the HTC 10, for me, is that you can use the microSD for app storage. I found that I'd used up all the space on the G5 after saving a lot of Spotify music for offline access. It felt like a step backwards from a 128GB S6 Edge in this regard.
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Spotify - How to store cache on external SD
People should learn how to use google.
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Wow, lots of people managed to do something you couldn't.

Sound isn't that bad, I listened to a few tracks quickly on spotify on my sennheisers and it was on par with other phones I've tested.
Could be tweaked a bit with viper when we get root but I'm satisfied.
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Why the V20 vs the pixel?

Hi
Besides the price and the screen size, how is the V20 better?
Thank you for the help. I am trying to figure out what to replace my note 7 with.

borisb said:
Hi
Besides the price and the screen size, how is the V20 better?
Thank you for the help. I am trying to figure out what to replace my note 7 with.
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SD card and a removable battery. After the Note 7, I don't want a phone that I can't take the battery out.

borisb said:
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Besides the price and the screen size, how is the V20 better?
Thank you for the help. I am trying to figure out what to replace my note 7 with.
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For me is better in the following ways:
Second screen, removable battery, looks better, sdcard, the camera specs look better to me, better audio, full AT&T support (AT&T tends to not fully support features like VoLTE on non branded devices).
Downside: probably locked bootloader, potentially limited development support, and each version has a subset of all the possible LTE bands.

Almost 300 Dollars cheaper if you trade in your old 4G phone. Has some unique hardware features that the pixel doesn't have (2nd screen, dual camera, replaceable battery). Potential downside of V20: Slow with software updates and battery life. I decided today to cancel my Pixel XL order. To spent 1000 bucks for a phone that has no hardware wow factor didn't sit well with me. The Google software gimmicks on the pixel like assistant don't interest me and they are anyway 1st gen.Pixel owners are beta testers. Maybe next years Pixel 2nd gen will be nice.

The Silver phone is Silver on both sides, not Silver on the back and Girly White on the front.

I was debating between the two. My biggest gripe on the v20 is the screen. Not a bad screen, but LG calibration is usually bad and way too cold. Also no VR on the lg.
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DIXZ06 said:
The Silver phone is Silver on both sides, not Silver on the back and Girly White on the front.
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The worst is the blue pixel. Looks good from the back and then you turn it around and it is white. UGLY!

I hate the button placement on the Pixel. Similar to the one on the 6P. While holding the phone I constantly press the volume button. In a car holder the phone cannot be positioned in the middle because the holder presses than either the on/off button or the volume button down.

mgymnop said:
I hate the button placement on the Pixel. Similar to the one on the 6P. While holding the phone I constantly press the volume button. In a car holder the phone cannot be positioned in the middle because the holder presses than either the on/off button or the volume button down.
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Very true, I'm hitting my 6p a lot! But otherwise the Nexus6p is awesome!

borisb said:
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Besides the price and the screen size, how is the V20 better?
Thank you for the help. I am trying to figure out what to replace my note 7 with.
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Removable battery, quad Dac, 64gb internal memory standard, expandable storage, and ir blaster
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For every cons you find on the LG V20, you get 2 or more pros. By the way. Someone already unlocked the bootloader for the Tmobile model! (I GOT TO LOVE TMOBILE LOL! IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN SO NICE). Smells like some rooting is about to be cooked up!... anyway, lets keep up with the listing, LG V20 is : Better looking, high quality built, shockproof, removable battery, Expandable SD CArd up to 2000TBS!, more megapixels in the rear camera, INFRAREEEED (an odd yet very effective feature to find in a phone nowadays), and the uniform color. and several other great features that you wouldnt find on google pixel /xl

^^what they said! and has wide angle camera feature! and already has a lot of activity on XDA! Cool

galaxys said:
^^what they said! and has wide angle camera feature! and already has a lot of activity on XDA! Cool
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YESSS you said it!

My main consideration in going with the v20 over the pixel was this is google's first phone. I think that alone increases the chances for problems. Plus, where I'm at, there's no actual physicall store selling the pixel. I'm more comfortable being able to go to a store and talk to someone if I have a problem and need replacement.
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My main consideration in going with the v20 over the pixel was this is google's first phone. I think that alone increases the chances for problems. Plus, where I'm at, there's no actual physicall store selling the pixel. I'm more comfortable being able to go to a store and talk to someone if I have a problem and need replacement.

Facts which can be chosen based upon preference.
I preordered the V20 based on these items below.
- Availability, the XL is out of stock for how long no one knows.
- MicroSD support
- Removable battery (Not a must for me)
- Audio experience.
- Camera has a lot of features, but quality could be a 50/50?
Thats basically it. Everything else would be preference honestly.
The PIXEL XL is just a bad ass phone.

joseguillen1994 said:
For every cons you find on the LG V20, you get 2 or more pros. By the way. Someone already unlocked the bootloader for the Tmobile model! (I GOT TO LOVE TMOBILE LOL! IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN SO NICE). Smells like some rooting is about to be cooked up!... anyway, lets keep up with the listing, LG V20 is : Better looking, high quality built, shockproof, removable battery, Expandable SD CArd up to 2000TBS!, more megapixels in the rear camera, INFRAREEEED (an odd yet very effective feature to find in a phone nowadays), and the uniform color. and several other great features that you wouldnt find on google pixel /xl
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What is current and previous phones?

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borisb said:
What is current and previous phones?
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What do you mean? do you mean which devices have i owned in the past and the one i own now?
if that is what you meant then... I have owned Galaxy S1/2/3/4/5/6; Samsung galaxy note 1/2/3 Samsung Galaxy Exhibit, LG Leon, Alcatel One touch fierce 1/2 LG G2/G3/G4/G5.
The red Ones are the ones i dont own anymore LOL. The V20 is on its way, supposedly arriving between 24th and 28th.

joseguillen1994 said:
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What do you mean? do you mean which devices have i owned in the past and the one i own now?
if that is what you meant then... I have owned Galaxy S1/2/3/4/5/6; Samsung galaxy note 1/2/3 Samsung Galaxy Exhibit, LG Leon, Alcatel One touch fierce 1/2 LG G2/G3/G4/G5.
The red Ones are the ones i dont own anymore LOL. The V20 is on its way, supposedly arriving between 24th and 28th.
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just wanted to know how you formed ideas.

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just wanted to know how you formed ideas.
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wait. did i answered your question right?

i just don't the looks of the pixel. the design looks like every other generic phone that has come out over the last few years. i got the v20 for all the same reason others have already mentioned. i love the phone so far. even way better than my recalled note 7 which i hated so much. glad they got recalled.

The pixel is not actually over priced!

at first I was very upset for the price of the pixel and although I got a great deal on this phone (580$).
I honestly think that this phone is worth 750$ for the right consumer.
this is why I think is not over priced. I owned a bunch of smartphones including all the latest flagships, s7edge.note7,one plus3, lg v20, nexus, 6p, iPhone 7, and many more. and one thing I noticed that everyone says the pixel doesn't offer much for its price. example it doesn't have a dual edge, or a 2nd screen at the top, is not water resistant, doesn't have ir blaster, or dual front facing speakers. people feel like they are paying for just a plain basic phone! which is correct! on mys s7edge I ended up hating the stupid edge screen accidental touches were becoming a norm. the edge panel is turned off by majority of users so other than esthetics imo is useless, lg v20 2nd display yes is convenient and pretty cool but the only major used I have is to use the torch, most of the times I still landlocked the phone to do task that I could of done from the 2bd display. plus is very inconvenient is placed all the way at the top and the lg v20 is not a small phone.
to summarize this the pixel is a plain android phone without any useless gimmicks that other manufactures are using. could they have added a few more features. yes perhaps water resistant and dual front facing speakers would have been nice. but just the fluid pure android experience on this phone defiantly makes it worth its premium price.
again this is personal my opinion and I would enjoy to see what you guys think after owning the pixel!

Every phone is missing something. From Samsung missing proper long term updates, iPhone missing some hardware features, to Pixel missing hardware features. It's up to the consumer to decide which checkboxes are more important. I think all the hate on the phone comes from people expecting the Pixel to check off every box a consumer would want at the same price point the competition is at, even though they are all missing something as well. Business doesn't work that way.

AndrasLOHF said:
Every phone is missing something. From Samsung missing proper long term updates, iPhone missing some hardware features, to Pixel missing hardware features. It's up to the consumer to decide which checkboxes are more important. I think all the hate on the phone comes from people expecting the Pixel to check off every box a consumer would want at the same price point the competition is at, even though they are all missing something as well. Business doesn't work that way.
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What hardware features is the pixel missing? front facing speakers?

lucky_strike33 said:
What hardware features is the pixel missing? front facing speakers?
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That's they only thing I would have really liked never really cared for bottom frieing speakers, waterproofing would have been cool ... And maybe a physical home button but I know that's not really a feature many care about .... None of which takes away from it being a nice phone ..... I think all phones are a bit over priced lol, price is subject anyway the only person who needs to worry about it is the one who's buying it and if it's too much they have the choice to get something cheaper

razor237 said:
That's they only thing I would have really liked never really cared for bottom frieing speakers, waterproofing would have been cool ... And maybe a physical home button but I know that's not really a feature many care about .... None of which takes away from it being a nice phone ..... I think all phones are a bit over priced lol, price is subject anyway the only person who needs to worry about it is the one who's buying it and if it's too much they have the choice to get something cheaper
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I personallt prefer on screen buttons rather than hardware. people say you get more screen real state but I I actually enjoy the on screen better. although my biggest let down was the two speakers which I feel like they should have put there. other than that the phone is just what I wanted. stock, and lighting fast!

I mostly agree, this phone performs like no other. It should be 64gb base storage however.

robber said:
I mostly agree, this phone performs like no other. It should be 64gb base storage however.
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oh yes that's a big one!! DEFINETLY base should of been 64GB..
but Google is smart most people went 128GBB which is exactly what they hoped for.. I believe that's why they limited the base model to 32GB and try to make up with unlimited storage.

You forgot no sd card slot which pretty much the only other flagship phone that also does not have one is iphone. Also you forgot about no OIS which is one thing a lot of people were upset about.
My biggest things for me is no sd card slot, and a one single mono speaker, not just that its not dual front speakers, that it is just only one speaker. They could have made the audio a lot better if they copied the Htc 10 boomsound dual speakers which are not front facing but they sound a lot better than the pixel xl's single speaker.
I never would have paid full price for my 32 gig pixel xl, well actually I did but I got a $200 best buy gift card in the deal, and a free chromecast yes lol woo hoo a free old model chromecast when the new 4k version is out already lol.

I wanted a pixel, it's the best android smartphone period. I am using iPhone 7 Plus for about 3 weeks now, and I love it, It's worth the money, it offers tech, that no other competitors does yet, and even if they did, without google implementation it will suck. They should have started this year with a little bit lower price, considering the large unnecessary chin and all the other features they ignored. Next year with iPhone 8 google must really bring their A game.
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For me the premium price pays for all the tiny attention to detail points on the phone. I love all the little optimisations that culminate into the bigger picture. Custom CPU tuning with Qualcomm, camera ISP tweaks, touchscreen latency, fantastic build quality, in house developments like the insane video stabilisation and HDR+ all add up. Stereo speakers would've been great, it's the only thing I miss from the 6P but the down firing speaker works loud and clear and a worthwhile trade off for such a sleek performer.

Dude, it's very much overpriced.
It's missing sooo many hardware features that other phones have.
IR blaster for acting as a TV remote.
MicroSD for additional storage.
Water resistance of a decent nature.
So many more things but I don't want to think about it because I'll just get upset at my phone again.

lucky_strike33 said:
What hardware features is the pixel missing? front facing speakers?
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Here is pretty much what it seems most people griping about the phone want.
A phone design of the ages.... absolutely flawless
Indestructible "premium" body that is light as a feather
Scratchproof shatterproof screen
Radios that reach the cosmos
The next version of the OS that isn't released yet before coders even know what they're coding
An OS that predicts your every move
Absolutely zero manufacturing tolerances
Next year's internals
Stereo speakers
THX wired and wireless audio from a phone
SD card
Removable battery
Fast Charging
Fast Wireless Charging
A phone so water and dustproof that even air can't permeate the body
Endless storage
A camera that rivals Hubble
......all for 4 easy payments of $19.95

AndrasLOHF said:
Here is pretty much what it seems most people griping about the phone want.
A phone design of the ages.... absolutely flawless
Indestructible "premium" body that is light as a feather
Scratchproof shatterproof screen
Radios that reach the cosmos
The next version of the OS that isn't released yet before coders even know what they're coding
An OS that predicts your every move
Absolutely zero manufacturing tolerances
Next year's internals
Stereo speakers
THX wired and wireless audio from a phone
SD card
Removable battery
Fast Charging
Fast Wireless Charging
A phone so water and dustproof that even air can't permeate the body
Endless storage
A camera that rivals Hubble
......all for 4 easy payments of $19.95
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LOL BEST REPLY SO FAR. consumers will never be sastified..

CZ Eddie said:
Dude, it's very much overpriced.
It's missing sooo many hardware features that other phones have.
IR blaster for acting as a TV remote.
MicroSD for additional storage.
Water resistance of a decent nature.
So many more things but I don't want to think about it because I'll just get upset at my phone again.
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bro if this are so important to you, you should honestly go get a LG v20.. why buy a phone that is aim for pure android experience. and although the pixel is not rated water resistant it holds up very well. as it was submerge in water for one hour and it was fully functional at the end. and I never used the ir blaster I rather buy a universal remote.. when a phone tries to do too much it always fails at something and mostly is a lot bigger than what you gain.

I wanted a ****ty ass LG phone I would have bought one.

I don't think anybody is missing ois, especially anybody who has used the phone...
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I don't mind the price of $649/$749.
However, I do mind the big price hike in Canada... $899 for the 5" and $1049 for the 5.5"?
Come on

The 749 USD translates to 1003 cad right now so it's not that big of a price hike lol, the conversion just sucks right now lol
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CZ Eddie said:
Dude, it's very much overpriced.
It's missing sooo many hardware features that other phones have.
IR blaster for acting as a TV remote.
MicroSD for additional storage.
Water resistance of a decent nature.
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4x4 MIMO would have been nice for the money they're asking for.

Would you buy the Nexus 6P again?

So the other day I dropped my 6P right on the power button (while it was in my Speck case) and it caused it to get jammed in and unusable. Thankfully, Huawei said repair is covered by warranty, which I have a few months left of. This got me thinking, though, that if something were to happen again, would I buy this phone again?
The answer for me is absolutely. I bought my Graphite 64GB for $799 CAD, and in my Googling, I found the 128GB variant for $775 CAD on B&H. To me this is an absolute steal, and with the Pixel phones introducing iPhone-level prices, I wouldn't think again about owning another one of these. What do you guys think, would you hang on to the Nexus line as long as you can, or get something new?

I wouldn't. Using a Spigen case and keeping it in my front pocket, it has bent. Not enough to crack the screen (yet) but enough that I can see it. Especially by the power button and volume rocker. And the games I've been playing lately are PinOut and Auralux 2. Neither seem to be all that graphically intensive, but both are apparently intense enough to tax the SD810 processor and cause it to throttle from over heating. Much happier with my Pixel.

So what's the price of the Pixel XL if you wanted one of those?
Sent from a 128th Legion Stormtrooper 6P

paperjam252 said:
I wouldn't. Using a Spigen case and keeping it in my front pocket, it has bent.
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You must mean pants pocket. I was thinking shirt pocket and I'm thinking, "WOW, this guy must work out... a LOT." :laugh:

Colchiro said:
You must mean pants pocket. I was thinking shirt pocket and I'm thinking, "WOW, this guy must work out... a LOT." :laugh:
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I'm not a small guy. Fairly big front pants pockets. And I'm not the kinda guy who wears skinny jeans. Lol

Mine broke down, got a refund and bought the 3T
I am giving it back and getting the 6P again - so the answer is yes

I woudnt. I dont like the display which i cant see stuff outside
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I would buy a 6P with a better SoC and same design and price. I find Pixel's design ugly and boring as hell. It is also too expensive and with that price I would rather buy an iPhone. I like 6P's design and love the stereo speakers.

I just love the way the phone looks. Nice big display, front facing speakers and great low light pics. An updated processor and ois for video is all that is really needed. Wish Huawei would do a 3T with this one. With a black rhinoshield bumper, my black 6p looks sleek and stealth like...corny as that might sound.

May be future Pixel XL 2017 model.

I've only had mine for 4 days and finally had time to root tonite. I don't hate it yet.
I thought about the Pixel XL but couldn't get around the looks or the price point.

This has been my first phone ive owned for over a year and havent even thought of upgrading yet. The pixel looks like dog sh1t and the price tag is out of control. The battery dieing at random % bug is pissing me off lately, but besides that i truly love this device.

Coming from the LG G4 and Nexus 5 . I really liked and wanted a Pixel but the Price point kept me away. Found a 128gb 6p on B&H and decided to try. So Far so good. I would love to have some of the Pixel rom's features but really do not need assistant. Overall its a nice device and I would purchase again.

Yes I would and technically I did haha. I bought one in April of this year and had it up to August when the Note 7 came out. Sold it and got the N7 and had that for a month and we all know what happened there heh. Returned the Note and ended up buying another 6P. I was originally just getting it to hold me down until the Pixel XL, but once I saw what it had and it's price point, I was like "Nah".
The 6P imo is one of the best phones ever made. It was a good price, AOSP, plenty of mod support, great performance and my god the speakers?? I don't think I could get another device without front facing speakers.
Currently running it stock, unrooted on 7.1.1 and it's running problem free. Love it.
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gmanunited said:
Coming from the LG G4 and Nexus 5 . I really liked and wanted a Pixel but the Price point kept me away. Found a 128gb 6p on B&H and decided to try. So Far so good. I would love to have some of the Pixel rom's features but really do not need assistant. Overall its a nice device and I would purchase again.
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Install the Cortex ROM for the 6P. It brings the entire pixel phone experience and is probably the most stable and smoothest rom out there.

Maybe next year's 2017 Nexus comeback after Google retires the Pixel!

I'd buy an updated 6P is a heartbeat. A better CPU and OIS and it'd be perfection.

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I'd buy an updated 6P is a heartbeat. A better CPU and OIS and it'd be perfection.
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We know this may or will not happen. Huawei and Google have moved on. As long as Google is tied to a carrier the Pixel Phone will be priced very high.

Since the 6P was notorious for throttling with VR, when I came across a good deal on a 2 day old XL on Swappa I pounced on it.

Overall love

Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Google Pixel 3, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Google Pixel 3 is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Who doesn't love the Google Pixel phones with their amazing OS

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Robert314 said:
Who doesn't love the Google Pixel phones with their amazing OS
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Anyone who wants a headphone jack.
Anyone who remembers the price of Nexus devices.
Anyone that would like SD card support
Anyone who had Google nerf their battery saver settings
Anyone who wants a large phone without a notch
Anyone who is not a fan of 2:1 aspect ratio
Anyone who is worried about durability of a glass back
(but at least wireless charging is back)
I will be buying a Pixel 3, but I would really rather have modern insides in my Nexus 6.

Robert314 said:
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Battery life is going to suck.

Really looking forward to getting the Pixel 3. I will be replacing my Nexus 5 with the Pixel 3, and I'm hoping for 5+ wonderful years with my new love!
The main criterias for chosing the Pixel 3?
- Pure Android
- Strong developer community
- Flagship phone (specially camera-wise)
- Operatable with one hand (!!)
It all depends on the price in Switzerland now! If it's going to be 700USD in the states but 950 in Switzerland, i might reconsider and go with the Nokia 7.1...

I don't understand why people think they need these $600+ priced phones. I consider myself a semi-heavy user and get all the power and functionality I need out of my $250 moto x4.

I currently have a Note 9 and it's more phone than I need, both in size and features. As an example, I'm sure the S Pen is a great tool for many people, but I forget that I have it. I'm going to pre-order a Pixel 3 next week and sell my Note 9 once I receive the Pixel.

edufur said:
I don't understand why people think they need these $600+ priced phones. I consider myself a semi-heavy user and get all the power and functionality I need out of my $250 moto x4.
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If only it were $600+. We need a section in here to review price. At $800 for the base model, it gets 0 points from me on asking price.

I'm looking to upgrade from a Samsung A3. I really want to try a Google device but I don't see how $800 for the base Pixel 3 can be justified when the S9 starts at $720, is currently in the mid $600 range, and will likely be around $450 come Thanksgiving.

Wow. Getting almost as expensive as iPhones...

georgs_town said:
Really looking forward to getting the Pixel 3. I will be replacing my Nexus 5 with the Pixel 3, and I'm hoping for 5+ wonderful years with my new love!
The main criterias for chosing the Pixel 3?
- Pure Android
- Strong developer community
- Flagship phone (specially camera-wise)
- Operatable with one hand (!!)
It all depends on the price in Switzerland now! If it's going to be 700USD in the states but 950 in Switzerland, i might reconsider and go with the Nokia 7.1...
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Don't complain bro, in Canada flagship phones are outrageously priced. The pixel 3 costs about 1300 cad (1000 usd) IF you are lucky and pixel 2 was one of the cheaper flagships. (Pixel 3 costs more)
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Whaaaat?? I thought it's the same price in Canada as in the US. It doesn't officially come out in Switzerland, but i ordered the 64gb Version vor 889 USD. That's an ok price in my opinion...

I stopped by Best Buy today to check out the PIxel 3s and they look and feel great! The "not pink" xl was interesting to see in person. It's an interesting shade of a pinkish, orangeish, beige? It's hard to describe, but the pics I've seen online are accurate. The notch on the XL really looks better in the real world than it did in the pictures online. The standard sized pixel was in "just black" and looked great too, very light. The screens looked really good with rich color, you can really see the improvement over the PIxel 2XL's screen. I ordered the white Pixel 3, and I can't wait to have it!

Well, I do not see any so-called hands on reviewers showing a white screen and rotating it to demo if the blue hue is present nor a speaker volume test.
Its like everything I read on these sites are being careful not to say ANYTHING negative about the device.
So I predict a blue hue (or reduced version of said) and lackluster tinny sounding speakers that distort at upper volume levels. Not me, not for nearing $1K. But we shall see.
I had to go to Verizon and pick up a Pixel 2 demo to see it there because none of the mainstream media reviews mentioned it.

Canceled, I have three main priorities for spending near $1K on a phone with extended care plan, taking for granted signal strength and call quality are good.
Speaker volume for media, notification & ring tone, felt vibration, and display quality.
I went to Verizon and sampled two P3's and Two P3xls.
(1) I played a UTube video and it was pretty loud enough so then I sampled ring & notification tones and could hardly hear them. Pitifully weak. I know I would not have heard it in my pocket, I played all of them checking the phone settings and was put off by it. No wonder no hands on reviewers mentioned it or words on the vibration motors..
(2.) Vibration is token. Put it in a case and forget it. I use a wallet case on the job and no case elsewhere. It is imperative I hear and feel calls and texts on the job. Its not going to happen with this phone.
(3) The display viewing angle is unacceptably limited with some of the same disaster of last year. If you think side to side is bad tilt it forward.
Folks, if you are an executive that wears thin silk suits working in quiet offices or areas you may be able to hear it ring as is or and feel the vibration in your pockets.
No sir, not for $900.00 + US, its not a premium device, its sucker bait and I'm sure they will hook plenty. I'm sure I could load my own ringtones and perhaps they be louder but this is buying something and having to fix it.
Another bad sign was how hot they were. Yes they are plugged in and on the verge of hot, say Very warm. Not a sign of a smart charging system.
To each his own and good luck but I still like my 5X better than this thing. Sure, I had to root it and load Ex-kernel and max out the volume and vibration, and load load a tweak to fire both speakers, but for what I paid for it in the raw is more like it.

georgs_town said:
Whaaaat?? I thought it's the same price in Canada as in the US. It doesn't officially come out in Switzerland, but i ordered the 64gb Version vor 889 USD. That's an ok price in my opinion...
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No Canada and US are different prices.
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edufur said:
I don't understand why people think they need these $600+ priced phones. I consider myself a semi-heavy user and get all the power and functionality I need out of my $250 moto x4.
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I don't fault you for thinking this, it's all a matter of perspective and opinion. I do think it's odd, however, that people scoff at $1,000 for a device that they probably interact with more than almost anything else in their lives (not advocating this, but generally true).
Think about the difference in price between a base model vehicle and what people generally buy. Whether it's a bigger engine, navigation, safety/security upgrades, people basically always pay thousands more than the base price for features they use occasionally in a device they maybe just drive to and from work.
People spend their money on what's important to them. Since phones are probably one of the most universally "important" items currently in our modern society, it's not that odd to me that they're also expensive on the high end.
As a side note, getting two of them through Project Fi will get you a $799 bill credit. So at least for me and my wife, they're about half price in net cost.

MWBehr said:
As a side note, getting two of them through Project Fi will get you a $799 bill credit. So at least for me and my wife, they're about half price in net cost.
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I don't see that offer on their site.

edufur said:
I don't see that offer on their site.
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https://fi.google.com/about/phones/#pixel-3
It's in the blue box there.

georgiapi said:
Canceled, I have three main priorities for spending near $1K on a phone with extended care plan, taking for granted signal strength and call quality are good.
Speaker volume for media, notification & ring tone, felt vibration, and display quality.
I went to Verizon and sampled two P3's and Two P3xls.
(1) I played a UTube video and it was pretty loud enough so then I sampled ring & notification tones and could hardly hear them. Pitifully weak. I know I would not have heard it in my pocket, I played all of them checking the phone settings and was put off by it. No wonder no hands on reviewers mentioned it or words on the vibration motors..
(2.) Vibration is token. Put it in a case and forget it. I use a wallet case on the job and no case elsewhere. It is imperative I hear and feel calls and texts on the job. Its not going to happen with this phone.
(3) The display viewing angle is unacceptably limited with some of the same disaster of last year. If you think side to side is bad tilt it forward.
Folks, if you are an executive that wears thin silk suits working in quiet offices or areas you may be able to hear it ring as is or and feel the vibration in your pockets.
No sir, not for $900.00 + US, its not a premium device, its sucker bait and I'm sure they will hook plenty. I'm sure I could load my own ringtones and perhaps they be louder but this is buying something and having to fix it.
Another bad sign was how hot they were. Yes they are plugged in and on the verge of hot, say Very warm. Not a sign of a smart charging system.
To each his own and good luck but I still like my 5X better than this thing. Sure, I had to root it and load Ex-kernel and max out the volume and vibration, and load load a tweak to fire both speakers, but for what I paid for it in the raw is more like it.
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I have my pixel 3 in hand and have compared it to the 2xl. The vibration motor is a huge improvement. I can't imagine how you can't feel the vibration motor on this thing. It'll rattle the phone at its highest setting, and the speakers are definitely a marked improvement over the 2nd generation. I'm not sure if they're louder, but they come off equally as loud and with more clarity at max. In terms of the screen, I can't speak for the 3 XL but my 3 is vastly superior than my 2XL. The viewing angles are significantly better. There isn't a huge color gradient shift when tilting the pixel 3. The black crush isn't nearly as bad (still there, but less so). And I can't think of a single phone that doesn't get warm/hot while charging with the screen running at 100% brightness. Your argument is really confusing to me.