Hi, so earlier I tried to downgrade back to stock Nougat B35 for the giggles just to try it. I used @raystef66's SL!M DF!NR B35, complete clean flash and flashed both his bootstack and DrakenFX's bootstack. Only to find that I still get the same exact audio problems as I did on the Oreo ROMs. Not even the stock music player can play hi-fi FLAC files. Logcat just says "unsupported sample rate 192000"
Then i tried DrakenFX's B35 stocksystem and bootstack with the same exact problem. I was beginning to think maybe my DAC just stopped working and failed and I had hardware failure.
Then I EDL flashed B19 and hi-fi music was playing fine now, and outputting at 192000khz. What a huge difference in sound, especially with 38 ohm hi-fi headphones (ATH-M50x)!
So then I OTA updated to B25. Music was still fine. Then to B29 still fine. B25 same thing. B32 was still good as well. Then I OTA updated to B35, and now I ran into the problem again of not being able to play hi-fi FLAC files.
Did ZTE make a mistake or something? Why am I all of a sudden not able to play 192000khz and above audio files on B35? Does anyone else get this issue? Perhaps this is why we have audio problems in Oreo roms since they're based on B35. I don't know if I'm just talking out of my a** but this is what happens to me on completely stock B35 OTA update.
How to replicate this problem:
On B35, open up a music player that depends on Android's audio (not neutron or poweramp) such as the stock music player.
Try to play a song that has a sample rate of 192000khz or above such as this one
Profit
Sometimes depending on the music player, if the sample rate is not supported it won't even show up in your library at all.
It doesn't matter if you play it on speakers or headphones, it still won't work either way.
Just curious if you've tried any non stock players, and if the results have been the same.
christoophat said:
Just curious if you've tried any non stock players, and if the results have been the same.
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Yes they have. Playerpro, blackplayer EX, Retro music, and Newton
Doesn't work with stock, google play music, FK media player, but works with VLC media player.
Jirv0id said:
Doesn't work with stock, google play music, FK media player, but works with VLC media player.
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VLC also uses it's own audio stuff. Are you on stock B35 and experiencing this too?
Yes I am on B35.
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Yes I am on B35.
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Interesting, so I'm not the only one. I wish I heard from others to verify this problem
Intriguing find. But... does this effect only 192000 files? What content out there is actually 192000hz by default?
Mist3r_J said:
Intriguing find. But... does this effect only 192000 files? What content out there is actually 192000hz by default?
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It affects anything 192000khz and higher. Naturally, you probably won't run into a 192000khz file unless you're looking for it which is a huge problem for us audiophiles - the reason most of us bought the phone was because of the DAC and speakers. The phone outputs at 192000KHz with a hi-fi DAC called AK4490. Without the ability to play these files, the feature becomes useless. That is why getting audio to work on any custom rom besides Stock is a huge deal.
Teet1 said:
It affects anything 192000khz and higher. Naturally, you probably won't run into a 192000khz file unless you're looking for it which is a huge problem for us audiophiles - the reason most of us bought the phone was because of the DAC and speakers. The phone outputs at 192000KHz with a hi-fi DAC called AK4490. Without the ability to play these files, the feature becomes useless. That is why getting audio to work on any custom rom besides Stock is a huge deal.
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Sorry but I have to do this. It's not 192 Hz nor 192000 KHz. It's 192KHz or 192000 Hz. Thanks, have a good day. ?
Semantic's much? 192000 KillaHurtz, their.
A2017G B08 (7.1.1):
Stock player also cant play this file, but netease can.
Flaîm said:
A2017G B08 (7.1.1):
Stock player also cant play this file, but netease can.
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Then perhaps ZTE messed up in the latest OTA for every model. Or removed this feature. That would be unfortunate
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Then perhaps ZTE messed up in the latest OTA for every model. Or removed this feature. That would be unfortunate
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I've never been able to play any 192K file on the stock player. Not on M or N.
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I've never been able to play any 192K file on the stock player. Not on M or N.
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Really? Never? I could prior to B35. This is a hi fi phone, it should have to. I will show you when I'm off work, I played that 192khz file just fine on B19-B32 on stock music player. As far as I know, the stock player is the only one out there that fully uses the AK4490 DAC when a 192khz file plays
Teet1 said:
Really? Never? I could prior to B35. This is a hi fi phone, it should have to. I will show you when I'm off work, I played that 192khz file just fine on B19-B32 on stock music player. As far as I know, the stock player is the only one out there that fully uses the AK4490 DAC when a 192khz file plays
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Then how does Neutron play 192k files? By the 4961, which can't play hi-fi audio at all? That makes no sense.
Every time that I want to open a 192k file with the stock player it'll just tell me that it's not supported. 96k works though. I've even downloaded a 192k test file and it couldn't be read either
But, do you really think that audio_flinger lies when using Neutron? It's not like you can do a direct output to nothingness and still get audio you know.
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Then how does Neutron play 192k files? By the 4961, which can't play hi-fi audio at all? That makes no sense.
Every time that I want to open a 192k file with the stock player it'll just tell me that it's not supported. 96k works though. I've even downloaded a 192k test file and it couldn't be read either
But, do you really think that audio_flinger lies when using Neutron? It's not like you can do a direct output to nothingness and still get audio you know.
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No my dude. To my knowledge, Neutron and PowerAmp were designed to be able to play FLAC 192k files on phones that do not support the hardware to do so, for people that do not for some reason want to manually downsample their audio files. Recently (like two years ago? poweramp hasnt been updated in forever...) it got beta support to directly connect to a device's DAC and output at 192k. They have their own audio libraries/codecs to be able to support playback of these hi-fi audio files. Essentially, it is a bypass for the phone to be able play these files. That's why it doesnt output to 192k and downsamples the audio to playback at 4800khz.
These errors both show up if you try to play out the speakers or the headjack so its not even a DAC issue.
That's just my observation though
Let me put my phone on B32 Nougat to test it out.
the AK4961 does support hi-fi apparently: https://www.akm.com/akm/en/file/datasheet/AK4961ECB.pdf
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No my dude. To my knowledge, Neutron and PowerAmp were designed to be able to play FLAC 192k files on phones that do not support the hardware to do so, for people that do not for some reason want to manually downsample their audio files. Recently (like two years ago? poweramp hasnt been updated in forever...) it got beta support to directly connect to a device's DAC and output at 192k. They have their own audio libraries/codecs to be able to support playback of these hi-fi audio files. Essentially, it is a bypass for the phone to be able play these files. That's why it doesnt output to 192k and downsamples the audio to playback at 4800khz.
These errors both show up if you try to play out the speakers or the headjack so its not even a DAC issue.
That's just my observation though
Let me put my phone on B32 Nougat to test it out.
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You're talking out of your a$s regarding poweramp, i tell you. I've looked around in the forums and it's just like i tell you, it looks for cues on build.prop as to what driver to use in order to make a direct output to the DAC that you have. It doesn't work on ours because max didn't make it work on ours, simple as that. But the downsample part is utter nonsense, any player can do that (also it's 48000 Hz or 48kHz xd)
If you still want to prove me wrong explain to me why there's a thread to ask for hi-res support if Poweramp downsamples. If you want to downsample you can just take Poweramp and use OpenSL and you'll have your downsampling.
Also that Neutron thing is also wrong. It is designed to be able to offload to special DACs or USB DACs. Quoting:
"32/64-bit audio processing (high quality HD audio).
OS independent decoding and audio processing.
Hi-Res Audio support (Android 4.4+, >= 24-bit, up to 768 kHz):
devices with on-board Hi-Res Audio DACs;
DAPs: iBasso DX200, Cayin i5-N5ii, Fiio X5-X7"
And audio_flinger doesn't lie. If it says there's a direct output thread with pcm24 and 192kHz then all that is going to the DAC believe it or not. If it says there's a mixer path then it's being downsampled @ 48k
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You're talking out of your a$s regarding poweramp, i tell you. I've looked around in the forums and it's just like i tell you, it looks for cues on build.prop as to what driver to use in order to make a direct output to the DAC that you have. It doesn't work on ours because max didn't make it work on ours, simple as that. But the downsample part is utter nonsense, any player can do that (also it's 48000 Hz or 48kHz xd)
If you still want to prove me wrong explain to me why there's a thread to ask for hi-res support if Poweramp downsamples. If you want to downsample you can just take Poweramp and use OpenSL and you'll have your downsampling.
Also that Neutron thing is also wrong. It is designed to be able to offload to special DACs or USB DACs. Quoting:
"32/64-bit audio processing (high quality HD audio).
OS independent decoding and audio processing.
Hi-Res Audio support (Android 4.4+, >= 24-bit, up to 768 kHz):
devices with on-board Hi-Res Audio DACs;
DAPs: iBasso DX200, Cayin i5-N5ii, Fiio X5-X7"
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I'm in no way trying to prove you wrong. I'm just telling you what I observe here. The ONLY players that can even play 192k files on either the Oreo roms and B35 stock is neutron and poweramp and VLC. No other music player on these roms can play 192k, which is what I am finding so strange here. I don't know what you're getting so worked up about, im just telling you my observations. have a beer :good: im currently downloading B32 stocksystem, so I will show you that I can play 192k on the stock music player, but you claim that you can't, which is what I find so strange. I've always been able to play 192k before B35, im just trying to figure out this situation
Teet1 said:
I'm in no way trying to prove you wrong. I'm just telling you what I observe here. The ONLY players that can even play 192k files on either the Oreo roms and B35 stock is neutron and poweramp and VLC. No other music player on these roms can play 192k, which is what I am finding so strange here. I don't know what you're getting so worked up about, im just telling you my observations. have a beer :good: im currently downloading B32 stocksystem, so I will show you that I can play 192k on the stock music player, but you claim that you can't, which is what I find so strange. I've always been able to play 192k before B35, im just trying to figure out this situation
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I believe you, but I say that I can't because I definitely can't. I'm not sure but it may be that I have a G. Even using the U player app didn't work for me.
I'm getting all worked up about "the stock player is the only one out there that fully uses the AK4490 DAC when a 192khz file plays". And all of the stuff that you said about the other two. I mean, we know how it works: if the player can output to the DAC, it creates a direct output and uses the hi-fi DAC; if it can't, it simply falls back to Java (opensl) or the other one. Of course that PA and neutron can downsample; any player with the FLAC libs that can open a flac will be able to do so.
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This just on a select group of my videos, but a few of them don't have audio working in the stock video player and Act I. The video goes, but not the audio.
In Rockstar Player, the suspect videos played just fine.
Any reason why this might have happened and how to fix it?
my guess is that the suspect videos are coded in 5.1 or 6.1 surround. The stock media player doesn't support this. You could demux the audio to 2 channel and they will probably play fine.
I thought about this. It shows it as 2 channels, so that can't be it.
The audio bit rate could be out of range for the internal decoder. Try checking that. Other than that, I dunno.
NO 5.1-channel surround audio in TV Shows and Movies.
I just bought a Mad Catz M.O.J.O. and now i see that i have
NO 5.1 audio, when you put on your website:
Hear thatcatchy background music or those killer sound effects loud
and clear, with support for 5.1-channel surround audio.
http://madcatz.com/mojo/en-us/
http://madcatz.com/pressroom/m-o-j-o-android-micro-console/
So you are lying?
Because i also do not see Enable Passthrough in Settings/Audio.
I hope you can help in some way, i tried XBMC 13.0 ALPHA11,
and used MX Player with the 5.1 audio codec and Archos
Video with Codects, and i only hear and see Stereo sound or
Multichannel sound on my Receiver and not 5.1 audio, tried AC3
5.1 audio and DTS 5.1 audio.
I also have a MeLE M9 and there we have with XBMC Dolby Digital, Dolby TrueHD and DTS, DTS-HD Master,
and with TvdVideo Player Dolby Digital and DTS, and that Android TV BOX cost only $110.64 and with the
Mele F10-Pro Air Mouse it cost only $134.55.
I bought the Mad Catz M.O.J.O. as a replacement for my MeLE M9, but know i can do less with the Mad Catz M.O.J.O.
then with the MeLE M9.
UPDATE: With MX Player and DTS Codec we have Dolby Digital and DTS (not Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master) on our Mad Catz M.O.J.O.
So it is getting better and better, but still not perfect.
MX Player
DTX Codec
We don't support DTS or Dolby surround natively (although Dolby Digital should pass through automatically if received) but we do support straight multichannel 5.1 sound which is likely what you're seeing when you see "Multichannel" on your receiver.
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We don't support DTS or Dolby surround natively (although Dolby Digital should pass through automatically if received) but
we do support straight multichannel 5.1 sound which is likely what you're seeing when you see "Multichannel" on your receiver.
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Then why put on your website that it supports 5.1-channel surround audio, because that was the main reason i bought this device, and that means Dolby
digital and DTS, you cannot get multichannel 5.1 sound without does audio codecs, just pay them for the sounds just like MeLE has don, and there device cost
only $110.
So if you get no 5.1 multichannel then i sent it back to the store, because to pay that much money and not get 5.1 sound support is absurd, and very cheap of
you guys, then just say on your website ONLY Stereo and never 5.1 sound.
Even the Playstation 3 has Dolby digital and DTS, and that one cost the same as this device.
DTS and Dolby aren't the only 5.1 audio codec options! It's often a misconception that if you're not getting DTS or Dolby then you're not getting the best - look at all the discussion about which output option to use on PS4 at the moment and you'll see many people recommending Linear PCM over Dolby or DTS because it's uncompressed. Do that and your amp will only show "multichannel", but it's still 5.1 or 7.1 (depending on the source material).
You ARE getting 5.1 sound if it says Multichannel on your amp. If you're unsure, many amps have the icons for each speaker channel which only illuminate when that channel is getting output - if you have them, see if they're getting lit.
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DTS and Dolby aren't the only 5.1 audio codec options! It's often a misconception that if you're not getting DTS or Dolby then you're not getting the best - look at all the discussion about which output option to use on PS4 at the moment and you'll see many people recommending Linear PCM over Dolby or DTS because it's uncompressed. Do that and your amp will only show "multichannel", but it's still 5.1 or 7.1 (depending on the source material).
You ARE getting 5.1 sound if it says Multichannel on your amp. If you're unsure, many amps have the icons for each speaker channel which only illuminate when that channel is getting output - if you have them, see if they're getting lit.
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I see MULTICH and PCM and in movies i only get 2.0 audio.
I have used allot of sound test files and i never hear my back and center speaker and subwoofer in movies.
But i hear in the Google Play Music App 5.0, but not in movie players, so how to get 5.1 sound in movie players?
I used does 7.1 and 5.1 24bit/48kHz multichannel wav files:
http://www.jensign.com/bdp95/7dot1voiced/
But TV shows and Movies don't have Linear PCM codec, and the Playstation 3 and 4 can do the decoding true Linear PCM, but what i can see is that the Mad
Catz M.O.J.O. cannot do the decoding, so you're answer is a little bit still don't you think, but what i can read is that you cannot hear the difference
between Linear PCM and DTS(-HD Master).
But why can't you just buy a license for Dolby Digital and DTS, just like MeLE and VidON has don?
Could you try one of the files here?:
http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/technology/home-theater/dolby-digital-plus-download.html
The basic surround test is a good one.
Edit: I just tried the 5.1 test file from that link of yours and it works fine - I get audio response in all channels.
Mad Catz Rich said:
Could you try one of the files here?:
http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/technology/home-theater/dolby-digital-plus-download.html
The basic surround test is a good one.
Edit: I just tried the 5.1 test file from that link of yours and it works fine - I get audio response in all channels.
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That may be but i do not have it in movies, and sorry to say but people do not buy it so that they can listen to some (and i mean almost non) 5.1 music,
they buy also you device to look at movies with 5.1 sound, not only to play games on it.
Same for Xbox and Playstation, allot of people also use it to look at movies with it.
And it is ****y to put loud and clear with full support for 5.1-channel surround audio, on your website, because that is bad advertisement.
So i called the store and tomorrow they are gone take it of my hands, and get my money back.
Now i just gone use my MeLE more also for gaming, gone use my Logitech cordless rumblepad 2, and Mele F10-Pro Air Mouse.
I hope you all good luck, but if you are someone that likes to look at movies allot then stay away from this product.
Well, that's your prerogative but I have to point out for anyone reading this thread that I've proven to you that Dolby Digital works and 5.1 PCM files are also fine.
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Well, that's your prerogative but I have to point out for anyone reading this thread that I've proven to you that Dolby Digital works and 5.1 PCM files are also fine.
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HAHA yes of course, but still it's bad advertisement, If you really want to be honest you put on your website that it cannot play movies and TV Shows in 5.1-channel surround audio, then you are honest.
As long as the TV shows and movies you're watching are outputting Dolby Digital or PCM then you're fine.
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As long as the TV shows and movies you're watching are outputting Dolby Digital or PCM then you're fine.
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Come on will you, ALL TV shows and Movies are Dolby digital and DTS and more, and Dolby digital is not 5.1 on the Mad Catz M.O.J.O. only Stereo.
Did you try the test file I linked you to on Dolby's site? I assume you did and found that you got 5.1 sound from it. I certainly did - just like I did from the PCM test file that you linked. If you did then that shows you that Dolby Digital sound is working on MOJO - the next step is for you to confirm the exact audio that's encoded on the files that you're using. If they're DTS then you will get stereo, but if they're correctly encoded in either 5.1 Dolby Digital (remember that there is also such a thing as Dolby Digital 2.0!) or PCM then you'll get 5.1 sound.
For DTS encoded files where you're only getting stereo I'll bet your amp features an option to enable Dolby Pro Logic IIx on the stereo signal which, in my experience, creates a surprisingly effective surround effect.
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Did you try the test file I linked you to on Dolby's site? I assume you did and found that you got 5.1 sound from it. I certainly did - just like I did from the PCM test file that you linked. If you did then that shows you that Dolby Digital sound is working on MOJO - the next step is for you to confirm the exact audio that's encoded on the files that you're using. If they're DTS then you will get stereo, but if they're correctly encoded in either 5.1 Dolby Digital (remember that there is also such a thing as Dolby Digital 2.0!) or PCM then you'll get 5.1 sound.
For DTS encoded files where you're only getting stereo I'll bet your amp features an option to enable Dolby Pro Logic IIx on the stereo signal which, in my experience, creates a surprisingly effective surround effect.
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Strange because the MKV movie(s) i played that had AC3 5.1 (is Dolby digital) played in Stereo, and yes i have Dolby Pro Logic IIx, but DTS or DTS-HD Master sounds MUCH better then Dolby Pro Logic IIx.
But it doesn't matter, i do not have the MadCatz M.O.J.O. anymore, it went back to the store.
But why do you sell a Android TV Box that has no video players installed on it, with Codec packs so you can hear sound if you play Movies with Dolby
Digital, Dolby TrueHD and DTS, DTS-HD Master, that is very strange.
All and i mean all the Android TV Boxes out of china have them already installed, so that it works good on there Hardware.
Like the very popular MINIX NEO X5 and MINIX NEO X7, and MeLE M9 and MeLE A1000G.
And yes gaming on then is the same as on the MadCatz M.O.J.O., you buy a PS3 GPS3CT01 (Gamepad) for $14.00 at tinydeal, and can play all the
games that has Gamepad support, and more with a air mouse, that comes with the Android TV Boxes.
MOJO is a completely open system onto which you can install any media player that you like. We do make recommendations (such as linking to the apk for MXPlayer on our getting started site, linked on the homescreen of MOJO) but ultimately it's your box to do with as you wish.
Regarding gaming being the same, well that's already not true with a lot of the latest games coming out and the gap is only going to get wider with some of the apps we know are coming this year.
Update: we've been talking to the guys at XBMC and this looks like an issue with the pass-through function in XBMC on Android. We'll update once we have a solution - in the meantime the pass-through function works fine in MXPlayer.
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Update: we've been talking to the guys at XBMC and this looks like an issue with the pass-through function in XBMC on Android. We'll update once we have a solution - in the meantime the pass-through function works fine in MXPlayer.
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Ok then, but can you please buy a DTS pass so that we can hear all the audio codecs, just like MeLE and VidOn has don?
Dear friends. After one month of research and trying to get everything from my d802 in the field of audio, I need some advise from someone who knows something about Android development.
At the beginning I want you to know what i want to get from my device - I want to get ultimate support for 24/192(which is supported by hardware) without resampling to 48 khz which is provided by Android as I know before. The reason I confused about it is that developer of neutron player said that the neutron can't use audio hardware because it doesn't have system rights so only system music player can use audio hardware. So I decided to use CyanogenMod and extreme beats audio mod. Of course with neutron player (settings maximally turned off) and this time I decided to use my player ++, cause it use ultimate quality resampler that called Sox. And it has a hardware decoding tick. I liked more sound from my player(Msr 7 headphones), with ultimate quality of resampling set in settings and with equalizer turned off. The same settings are on neutron. So I need your advise - how can I check when the player give me the quality because of it's software resampler and when it gives me quality because of my hardware. I know that in case of g2 hardware said too loud because it use wolfsoon wm5110 but I can a lot. I want to get everything it can.
Please tell me the ultimate decision in my case.
I wanted to publish it in android dev, but I'm new here.
LG G2 does not use Wolfsoon DAC but it use Qualcomm WCD9320
http://www.whathifi.com/news/lg-confirms-details-hi-res-audio-playback-g2-phone
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2608728
As you said Google resampòe to 48 khz so there is no way, sound 24 khz will be resampled. Even PowerAmp last beta (that uspport Hi-Res audio output) can do more to change this behaviour
http://forum.powerampapp.com/index.php?/forum/18-poweramp-v3-testing/
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LG G2 does not use Wolfsoon DAC but it use Qualcomm WCD9320
http://www.whathifi.com/news/lg-confirms-details-hi-res-audio-playback-g2-phone
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2608728
As you said Google resampòe to 48 khz so there is no way, sound 24 khz will be resampled. Even PowerAmp last beta (that uspport Hi-Res audio output) can do more to change this behaviour
http://forum.powerampapp.com/index.php?/forum/18-poweramp-v3-testing/
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It's a wrong way of thinking.
PowerAmp isn't the best decision for hi-fi sound.
There is a way to breakdown downsampling.
And i think, that ainur audio mod has already done it. But i'm not sure.
Anyway, downsampling isn't a problem today.
Just need to find some software decision to breakdown this wall. And i think, that aforemantioned mod made cyan 13 to use hardware of my g2.
Hello,
I am trying out this phone due to it's built-in DAC. I have had other phones that I connected to an external DAC via an OTG USB cable. I have used USB Audio Pro and the Onkyo HF players successful to with good results. It would be nice to have a phone and a quality DAC/Amp/Player all-in-one device.
I noticed that with the Sprint variant of the V20, it only comes with the Google Music Player application. I don't really like the program very much as it is very limited in functionality. It seems to play all of my PCM and DSD files. I did notice, however, that my DSD files don't sound quite right. I believe that the Google Music Player application is doing a conversion to PCM first. Can anybody authenticate or rule this out?
I tried using USB Audio Pro and they claim that they are unable to play DSD files via the Android operating system. As a result, their application does a pcm conversion when an external DAC is NOT attached to the phone, but plays native DSD to a USB attached DAC.
The Onkyo HF player app seems to do the same thing.
Am I missing some settings?
Is Google play converting to PCM prior to output?
Is there a setting in the Onkyo HF Player app that needs to be toggled/adjusted?
Where can I get DETAILED specifications and instructions for use of the DAC in the V20?
mlknez said:
Hello,
I am trying out this phone due to it's built-in DAC. I have had other phones that I connected to an external DAC via an OTG USB cable. I have used USB Audio Pro and the Onkyo HF players successful to with good results. It would be nice to have a phone and a quality DAC/Amp/Player all-in-one device.
I noticed that with the Sprint variant of the V20, it only comes with the Google Music Player application. I don't really like the program very much as it is very limited in functionality. It seems to play all of my PCM and DSD files. I did notice, however, that my DSD files don't sound quite right. I believe that the Google Music Player application is doing a conversion to PCM first. Can anybody authenticate or rule this out?
I tried using USB Audio Pro and they claim that they are unable to play DSD files via the Android operating system. As a result, their application does a pcm conversion when an external DAC is NOT attached to the phone, but plays native DSD to a USB attached DAC.
The Onkyo HF player app seems to do the same thing.
Am I missing some settings?
Is Google play converting to PCM prior to output?
Is there a setting in the Onkyo HF Player app that needs to be toggled/adjusted?
Where can I get DETAILED specifications and instructions for use of the DAC in the V20?
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Whoa. Sounds like you are a connoisseur of good music, high fidelity audio files, and equipment that gives great sound quality. You've opened a new door for me to venture through. Curious to hear what others will reply to this thread...
mlknez said:
Hello,
I am trying out this phone due to it's built-in DAC. I have had other phones that I connected to an external DAC via an OTG USB cable. I have used USB Audio Pro and the Onkyo HF players successful to with good results. It would be nice to have a phone and a quality DAC/Amp/Player all-in-one device.
I noticed that with the Sprint variant of the V20, it only comes with the Google Music Player application. I don't really like the program very much as it is very limited in functionality. It seems to play all of my PCM and DSD files. I did notice, however, that my DSD files don't sound quite right. I believe that the Google Music Player application is doing a conversion to PCM first. Can anybody authenticate or rule this out?
I tried using USB Audio Pro and they claim that they are unable to play DSD files via the Android operating system. As a result, their application does a pcm conversion when an external DAC is NOT attached to the phone, but plays native DSD to a USB attached DAC.
The Onkyo HF player app seems to do the same thing.
Am I missing some settings?
Is Google play converting to PCM prior to output?
Is there a setting in the Onkyo HF Player app that needs to be toggled/adjusted?
Where can I get DETAILED specifications and instructions for use of the DAC in the V20?
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Have you tried the stock music app?
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Have you tried Poweramp? I'm pretty sure it will play hi res music files as is..
mrwinkle13 said:
Have you tried the stock music app?
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The stock music app for the Sprint variant is Google Play Music
douger1957 said:
Have you tried Poweramp? I'm pretty sure it will play hi res music files as is..
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Thanks for the suggestion but you are incorrect. It will only play PCM files and not beyond 48khz.
Someone uploaded the image of the stock music player - if you can't find it let me know and I'll try and pull it myself.
I use this app to enable the DAC for GPM (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.phascinate.lgv10.dacfix&hl=en). You can really hear a difference flipping the on/off switch. I'm considering completely dropping GPM just because the quality is so much lower for no reason. Even on my G2 the same MP3s would sound better on the default player.
TIDAL also works natively with the DAC, almost as well as the stock launcher. The built-in DAC is far better than my Audioquest Dragonfly USB DAC I've been using
Anarchaotic said:
Someone uploaded the image of the stock music player - if you can't find it let me know and I'll try and pull it myself.
I use this app to enable the DAC for GPM (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.phascinate.lgv10.dacfix&hl=en). You can really hear a difference flipping the on/off switch. I'm considering completely dropping GPM just because the quality is so much lower for no reason. Even on my G2 the same MP3s would sound better on the default player.
TIDAL also works natively with the DAC, almost as well as the stock launcher. The built-in DAC is far better than my Audioquest Dragonfly USB DAC I've been using
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I am going to cancel my GPM too now that I have the 20 and just use tidal for streaming way better. Hoping they were going to have a better dac in the pixel and upgrade the music on GPM but didn't happen.
I don't have a subscription to the google play music service. I just have the app on the phone and it is the ONLY music player that comes with the phone. It is horrible for playing local music files.
Neutron. Try neutron first and see what happens. And maybe mx player pro though mx is more for video than audio but the type of audio you're using is something that might be embedded in a video file. Worth a shot.
Anyone have issues with gapless playback?
I've tried it with PowerAmp and Black Player and neither work.
Only time it seems to work is if I intentionally skip to the last few seconds of a song to test it.
My music is on my SD card but that really shouldn't be an issue.
Unfortunately, my suspicions were confirmed about the implementation of the ES9218 DAC:
The following is from the developer of the NeutronMP player:
According your logs (Thank you for making them!) OS declares only one
(!!!) frequency - 48000 kHz. You can see it in logs:
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: device 0
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: id = 1
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: type = 1
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: name = LG-LS997
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: is sink = 1
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: is source = 0
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: channels [1]:
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| - 1
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: sample rates [1]:
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| - 48000
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: sample types [1]:
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| - 2
It means firmware does not expose Hi-Fi DAC via this new API. Why LG can not make it and expose DAC and solve the problem with using full potential of the device - puzzle. Neutron would use it automatically if DAC is exposed by the firmware.
Hi guys, and thanks for your information. Can someone point us toward how to use an equalizer effectively? I believe many times folks who put down simply don't understand how to maximize the benefits. In terms of real cans I have HE400s. In terms of ear buds I have the BOs and a set of HE600 ear buds. How do I understand how to maximize my sound and how do I use an equalizer (with Nuetron or other apps).
Thanks Guys
Do some research. Look at the frequency response of the source you're using and the frequency response of the cans you're using. Go from there. Unless you're a tech head st this and have proper equipment it is a little testing and tweaking. Like if you're mids are low on the source and cans you want up the frequencies in the mid range to get it back. But if you doing it blindly then it's a lot testing and tweaking.
What do people think is the best music player for the V20 for regular flac files, not high res? And do you use special settings?
PowerAmp
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PowerAmp
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Any particular settings you prefer on PowerAmp? Like DVC, resampler etc?
So I compared Poweramp (With SoX resampler enabled) with the LG Music App, playing Dire Straits "The man's too strong" and the music sounded clearer and fuller with the LG App (44 KHz 1469 KBPS). I ended up enabling Direct Volume Control on PowerAmp and that improved it.
I do have DVC selected for headphone and BT. Crossfade @ 3000ms and gapless. The equalizer and preamp settings work great. I also save preset equalizer settings for use depending on what vehicle I am driving. I only use wired connections as I can't stand the sound quality of ANY audio player using BT.
If your download and store your music locally from Amazon it will find it(No player can access cloud to my knowledge.). It does not work with downloaded Google Play music in my experience due to the unconventional file naming Google uses(I havent tried lately though.)
I've been using the paid version of PowerAmp since my HTC Evo. Its worth every penny. I have yet to find a better app for music.
Neutron is good it processes the music at 64 bit if you enable it.
Also if you have the v10 dac fix on Google play the dac will work with all apps not just lg
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mrtruckincowboy said:
Neutron is good it processes the music at 64 bit if you enable it.
Also if you have the v10 dac fix on Google play the dac will work with all apps not just lg
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I just thought I'd mention it but I personally like the layout of PlayerPro a little better than PowerAmp, I bought them both years ago and I think it's well worth having both of them but I'm not an audiophile by any stretch though either.
I have a question about the v10 dac fix if you wouldn't mind because I'm still confused about it, I was under the impression that if you have a higher end set of headphones or earphones it should kick in the dac no matter what music player you use, so I guess that's incorrect then? Also are there any visual clues that the dac is working? And what exactly is causing the volume controls to switch where it says "HI-FI"? I thought that meant dac was enabled and if so that happens whenever I plug in my headphones no matter what music player I'm using even though I've never installed the v10 dac fix?
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