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Hello All,
Just got the Sprint Touch yesterday and was surprised and saddened to find out that my faithful HTC Audio Manager was missing from the OEM ROM.
I knew it was on here, grabbed the Audio Manager and Audio Booster, installed them and low-and-behold, I can't seem to use check the Equalizer box in the Audio Booster; kinda ruining all my music.
Does anyone have any ideas?
Thanks!
Matt
I've tried the booster on other devices, really never saw a change in the sound, so personally I think it is a waste. I have yet to see anyone mention using it and working.
That's the crazy thing, man.
I was using it all the time on my S730; and it works, and works well.
However, when I install the duo on my Touch, it doesn't work. This is a massive disappointment.
I've tested the following players and am having some trouble finding one with an effective EQ that is as stable (no or minimal skipping):
MortPlayer (EQ is straight shait, UI {playlist, song management} is awful)
WMP (No EQ, skips probably every time I gain or lose coverage)
S2P (depends on the same API as WMP, no EQ)
In the case that audio manager + audio booster doesn't work:
1) Is there a ROM that actually contains the two that works?
2) Can someone recommend a player with good file management and an EQ?
Thanks!
Matt
I purchased the CorePlayer, and it has an awesome equalizer with it. TCPMP (the early build) has it too, but probably not as great. I purchased it direct for about $25. It's not the best audio player, as far as GUI, but it does support bluetooth functions. I use it for all my movies, tv shows, flash videos, and occasionally music.
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-srs-wow-hd-sound-driver.html
I use that, and it sounds great with S2P
I use headphones or a Sound-freq speaker when watching movies and videos.When using BS player the video and sound do not sync up.If using the gallery player everything syncs up well on both headphones and speakers..Is there a way to sync up the bs player as well?It handles more formats and I like the extra volume and brightness controls on it. thanks
James-NC said:
I use headphones or a Sound-freq speaker when watching movies and videos.When using BS player the video and sound do not sync up.If using the gallery player everything syncs up well on both headphones and speakers..Is there a way to sync up the bs player as well?It handles more formats and I like the extra volume and brightness controls on it. thanks
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i don't know what BS player is, but this is a common issues across multiple applications. it has to do with BT hardware, the application, BT priority and sound quality.
I have watched several streaming video types using my Potato Tunelink BT adapter. Netflix is by far the worst offender. Off by an entire half-second. Hulu streams great, YouTube has a slight delay. Crackle is about a split off.
If you want quality audio, use the audio port.
BTW, this is true of ANY device. My DROID3/4 both exhibited the same qualities. I thought it was a limitation of the phone. Faster devices do decrease latency, but if the latency exists, it's built into the application.
Maybe I could have been more clear on what I was asking. sorry
I know the problem is there but the BSplayer can be adjusted for audio offset to compensate for the lag.I just can't seem to find out how to do so.The gallery player seems to do it automatically because it always works whether playing files on the device or streaming from my computer or elsewhere. I would like someone to tell me how to adjust this in the BSplayer app. thanks
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bsplayer.bspandroid.full
Hello,
I am trying out this phone due to it's built-in DAC. I have had other phones that I connected to an external DAC via an OTG USB cable. I have used USB Audio Pro and the Onkyo HF players successful to with good results. It would be nice to have a phone and a quality DAC/Amp/Player all-in-one device.
I noticed that with the Sprint variant of the V20, it only comes with the Google Music Player application. I don't really like the program very much as it is very limited in functionality. It seems to play all of my PCM and DSD files. I did notice, however, that my DSD files don't sound quite right. I believe that the Google Music Player application is doing a conversion to PCM first. Can anybody authenticate or rule this out?
I tried using USB Audio Pro and they claim that they are unable to play DSD files via the Android operating system. As a result, their application does a pcm conversion when an external DAC is NOT attached to the phone, but plays native DSD to a USB attached DAC.
The Onkyo HF player app seems to do the same thing.
Am I missing some settings?
Is Google play converting to PCM prior to output?
Is there a setting in the Onkyo HF Player app that needs to be toggled/adjusted?
Where can I get DETAILED specifications and instructions for use of the DAC in the V20?
mlknez said:
Hello,
I am trying out this phone due to it's built-in DAC. I have had other phones that I connected to an external DAC via an OTG USB cable. I have used USB Audio Pro and the Onkyo HF players successful to with good results. It would be nice to have a phone and a quality DAC/Amp/Player all-in-one device.
I noticed that with the Sprint variant of the V20, it only comes with the Google Music Player application. I don't really like the program very much as it is very limited in functionality. It seems to play all of my PCM and DSD files. I did notice, however, that my DSD files don't sound quite right. I believe that the Google Music Player application is doing a conversion to PCM first. Can anybody authenticate or rule this out?
I tried using USB Audio Pro and they claim that they are unable to play DSD files via the Android operating system. As a result, their application does a pcm conversion when an external DAC is NOT attached to the phone, but plays native DSD to a USB attached DAC.
The Onkyo HF player app seems to do the same thing.
Am I missing some settings?
Is Google play converting to PCM prior to output?
Is there a setting in the Onkyo HF Player app that needs to be toggled/adjusted?
Where can I get DETAILED specifications and instructions for use of the DAC in the V20?
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Whoa. Sounds like you are a connoisseur of good music, high fidelity audio files, and equipment that gives great sound quality. You've opened a new door for me to venture through. Curious to hear what others will reply to this thread...
mlknez said:
Hello,
I am trying out this phone due to it's built-in DAC. I have had other phones that I connected to an external DAC via an OTG USB cable. I have used USB Audio Pro and the Onkyo HF players successful to with good results. It would be nice to have a phone and a quality DAC/Amp/Player all-in-one device.
I noticed that with the Sprint variant of the V20, it only comes with the Google Music Player application. I don't really like the program very much as it is very limited in functionality. It seems to play all of my PCM and DSD files. I did notice, however, that my DSD files don't sound quite right. I believe that the Google Music Player application is doing a conversion to PCM first. Can anybody authenticate or rule this out?
I tried using USB Audio Pro and they claim that they are unable to play DSD files via the Android operating system. As a result, their application does a pcm conversion when an external DAC is NOT attached to the phone, but plays native DSD to a USB attached DAC.
The Onkyo HF player app seems to do the same thing.
Am I missing some settings?
Is Google play converting to PCM prior to output?
Is there a setting in the Onkyo HF Player app that needs to be toggled/adjusted?
Where can I get DETAILED specifications and instructions for use of the DAC in the V20?
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Have you tried the stock music app?
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Have you tried Poweramp? I'm pretty sure it will play hi res music files as is..
mrwinkle13 said:
Have you tried the stock music app?
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The stock music app for the Sprint variant is Google Play Music
douger1957 said:
Have you tried Poweramp? I'm pretty sure it will play hi res music files as is..
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Thanks for the suggestion but you are incorrect. It will only play PCM files and not beyond 48khz.
Someone uploaded the image of the stock music player - if you can't find it let me know and I'll try and pull it myself.
I use this app to enable the DAC for GPM (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.phascinate.lgv10.dacfix&hl=en). You can really hear a difference flipping the on/off switch. I'm considering completely dropping GPM just because the quality is so much lower for no reason. Even on my G2 the same MP3s would sound better on the default player.
TIDAL also works natively with the DAC, almost as well as the stock launcher. The built-in DAC is far better than my Audioquest Dragonfly USB DAC I've been using
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Someone uploaded the image of the stock music player - if you can't find it let me know and I'll try and pull it myself.
I use this app to enable the DAC for GPM (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.phascinate.lgv10.dacfix&hl=en). You can really hear a difference flipping the on/off switch. I'm considering completely dropping GPM just because the quality is so much lower for no reason. Even on my G2 the same MP3s would sound better on the default player.
TIDAL also works natively with the DAC, almost as well as the stock launcher. The built-in DAC is far better than my Audioquest Dragonfly USB DAC I've been using
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I am going to cancel my GPM too now that I have the 20 and just use tidal for streaming way better. Hoping they were going to have a better dac in the pixel and upgrade the music on GPM but didn't happen.
I don't have a subscription to the google play music service. I just have the app on the phone and it is the ONLY music player that comes with the phone. It is horrible for playing local music files.
Neutron. Try neutron first and see what happens. And maybe mx player pro though mx is more for video than audio but the type of audio you're using is something that might be embedded in a video file. Worth a shot.
Anyone have issues with gapless playback?
I've tried it with PowerAmp and Black Player and neither work.
Only time it seems to work is if I intentionally skip to the last few seconds of a song to test it.
My music is on my SD card but that really shouldn't be an issue.
Unfortunately, my suspicions were confirmed about the implementation of the ES9218 DAC:
The following is from the developer of the NeutronMP player:
According your logs (Thank you for making them!) OS declares only one
(!!!) frequency - 48000 kHz. You can see it in logs:
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: device 0
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: id = 1
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: type = 1
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: name = LG-LS997
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: is sink = 1
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: is source = 0
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: channels [1]:
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| - 1
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: sample rates [1]:
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| - 48000
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| enum: sample types [1]:
[13:08:16] I <SFX>| - 2
It means firmware does not expose Hi-Fi DAC via this new API. Why LG can not make it and expose DAC and solve the problem with using full potential of the device - puzzle. Neutron would use it automatically if DAC is exposed by the firmware.
Hi guys, and thanks for your information. Can someone point us toward how to use an equalizer effectively? I believe many times folks who put down simply don't understand how to maximize the benefits. In terms of real cans I have HE400s. In terms of ear buds I have the BOs and a set of HE600 ear buds. How do I understand how to maximize my sound and how do I use an equalizer (with Nuetron or other apps).
Thanks Guys
Do some research. Look at the frequency response of the source you're using and the frequency response of the cans you're using. Go from there. Unless you're a tech head st this and have proper equipment it is a little testing and tweaking. Like if you're mids are low on the source and cans you want up the frequencies in the mid range to get it back. But if you doing it blindly then it's a lot testing and tweaking.
This thread is to discuss the audio quality on the HTC U11 with the standard 3.5mm adapter or in use with a third party Amp/DAC.
Please post your findings and solutions with the gear you have used and Apps.
Okay did some extensive testing and research on third party Amp/dac with several devices.
All has to do with Android and their generic USB host audio drivers. As mentioned in a lot of headfi threads.
Apps like Deezer and Spotify or "normal" music players will use those Generic Android USB host audio drivers. Also with external third party dac.
In the Neutron Audio player you can see which driver it will use when sending out Audio. On the LG G4 3.5mm output its (audiotrack) JNI and also on the U11 with the HTC adapter.
On the G4 with Neutron it has the sound signature as with normal players with 3.5mm output.
On the U11 playing with Neutron it has also the same sound signature when streaming with Deezer or Spotify.
In Neutron you can select Audio USB device, and in my case the Dragonfly Black. If you select this in the settings Audio Gain is much higher and headphones comes to live. So it benefits the Dragonfly DAC. Also you can see in the output screen its playing through Dragonfly. Bypassing the Generic Host Driver.
On Deezer/Spotify or other player you will slightly here some difference (with third party DAC )in sound quality but its barely noticable. Because Android uses the JNI Audio. And audio output volume is the same .
So conclussion: if you have music stored locally on your U11 and you play it through Neutron, Onkyo HF player or the great USB Audio Player.
Yes you will benefit from an external Third party DAC.
Otherwise you will barely not...
These are my findings with the U11 (without root) and Dragonfly. Maybe for the Fiio K1 its different but suppose not.
I'll share my findings here when I'll get my hifime sabre 9018 type C dac, should be here in two weeks.
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Okay did some extensive testing and research on third party Amp/dac with several devices.
All has to do with Android and their generic USB host audio drivers. As mentioned in a lot of headfi threads.
Apps like Deezer and Spotify or "normal" music players will use those Generic Android USB host audio drivers. Also with external third party dac.
In the Neutron Audio player you can see which driver it will use when sending out Audio. On the LG G4 3.5mm output its (audiotrack) JNI and also on the U11 with the HTC adapter.
On the G4 with Neutron it has the sound signature as with normal players with 3.5mm output.
On the U11 playing with Neutron it has also the same sound signature when streaming with Deezer or Spotify.
In Neutron you can select Audio USB device, and in my case the Dragonfly Black. If you select this in the settings Audio Gain is much higher and headphones comes to live. So it benefits the Dragonfly DAC. Also you can see in the output screen its playing through Dragonfly. Bypassing the Generic Host Driver.
On Deezer/Spotify or other player you will slightly here some difference (with third party DAC )in sound quality but its barely noticable. Because Android uses the JNI Audio. And audio output volume is the same .
So conclussion: if you have music stored locally on your U11 and you play it through Neutron, Onkyo HF player or the great USB Audio Player.
Yes you will benefit from an external Third party DAC.
Otherwise you will barely not...
These are my findings with the U11 (without root) and Dragonfly. Maybe for the Fiio K1 its different but suppose not.
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I have the Dragonfly Black and thinking of getting the Fiio k1. I'm assuming I need a USB A to USB-C cable. I plan to mainly use my Sony MDR-7506s. They didn't sound bad using the included adapter, but I think I can get a little better sound.
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rmc6901 said:
I have the Dragonfly Black and thinking of getting the Fiio k1. I'm assuming I need a USB A to USB-C cable. I plan to mainly use my Sony MDR-7506s. They didn't sound bad using the included adapter, but I think I can get a little better sound.
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Yes you will need a USB C OTG USB A adapter. And you are ready to go.
My advice first try out your Dragonfly. If you are satisfied with the sound.
Where do you want it for? Which apps?
I think Soundwise it's a downgrade from Dragonfly to Fiio. But hey if it supports Spotify or Deezer? Thats my main goal.
*justintime* said:
Okay did some extensive testing and research on third party Amp/dac with several devices.
All has to do with Android and their generic USB host audio drivers. As mentioned in a lot of headfi threads.
Apps like Deezer and Spotify or "normal" music players will use those Generic Android USB host audio drivers. Also with external third party dac.
In the Neutron Audio player you can see which driver it will use when sending out Audio. On the LG G4 3.5mm output its (audiotrack) JNI and also on the U11 with the HTC adapter.
On the G4 with Neutron it has the sound signature as with normal players with 3.5mm output.
On the U11 playing with Neutron it has also the same sound signature when streaming with Deezer or Spotify.
In Neutron you can select Audio USB device, and in my case the Dragonfly Black. If you select this in the settings Audio Gain is much higher and headphones comes to live. So it benefits the Dragonfly DAC. Also you can see in the output screen its playing through Dragonfly. Bypassing the Generic Host Driver.
On Deezer/Spotify or other player you will slightly here some difference (with third party DAC )in sound quality but its barely noticable. Because Android uses the JNI Audio. And audio output volume is the same .
So conclussion: if you have music stored locally on your U11 and you play it through Neutron, Onkyo HF player or the great USB Audio Player.
Yes you will benefit from an external Third party DAC.
Otherwise you will barely not...
These are my findings with the U11 (without root) and Dragonfly. Maybe for the Fiio K1 its different but suppose not.
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Would these settings also be in PowerAmp by any chance. Looking to buy the DragonFly, Anker USB-C3.1 to USB 3.0 A Cable and Ivanky Aux Cable. Or should I be using the Neutron Player?
Honestly the supplied DAC hooked to a no-name brand 3.5mm to 3.5mm cable to my jeep sounds great as is. Volume on phone set at maybe 75% and Jeep volume maybe 75% as well and it is pretty loud and clear, Bass is booming and good highs. If many of you say an external DAc will greatly improve the audio, im all in. Summer is around the corner and sitting in traffic everyday needs windows down music up high.
schmeggy929 said:
Would these settings also be in PowerAmp by any chance. Looking to buy the DragonFly, Anker USB-C3.1 to USB 3.0 A Cable and Ivanky Aux Cable. Or should I be using the Neutron Player?
Honestly the supplied DAC hooked to a no-name brand 3.5mm to 3.5mm cable to my jeep sounds great as is. Volume on phone set at maybe 75% and Jeep volume maybe 75% as well and it is pretty loud and clear, Bass is booming and good highs. If many of you say an external DAc will greatly improve the audio, im all in. Summer is around the corner and sitting in traffic everyday needs windows down music up high.
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I have tested Poweramp but does also uses the normal USB Host Drivers.
You will have to switch to indeed Neutron Onkyo HF player or USB Audio Player. Which is the nicest IMO.
And yes if you will use those Apps with local music content (or Qobuz Tidal, Spotify and deezer are not supported in that app) its way better than standard adapter.
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I have tested Poweramp but does also uses the normal USB Host Drivers.
You will have to switch to indeed Neutron Onkyo HF player or USB Audio Player. Which is the nicest IMO.
And yes if you will use those Apps with local music content (or Qobuz Tidal, Spotify and deezer are not supported in that app its way better than standard adapter.
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Ok sounds good, lol. Amazon says my goodies will be 115.00, not too bad for none bulky equipment.
So far I notice no difference between using the K1 on a high end PC and using it on my U11, as in I don't think the K1 cares which host driver is being used. Audio quality sounds the same on whatever device I pair the K1 with.
Just installed Neutron, comparing standard JNI driver and K1 driver, if there is any change, my ears cannot hear it. There is a subtle difference and I do me subtle difference between neutron and Spotify but I feel that is due to all of Neutron correction features etc. Either way, I can't tell which sounds better and there is no way I am trying to source 4000 songs just to play on Neutron for an inconceivable difference
This is weird. I installed USB audio player pro and as a result, I could get no audio through headphones using power amp or neutron. I had to uninstall usb audio player and then I got sound back. Any ideas? I restarted, but that didn't help. Usb audio player looked pretty good, but I couldn't figure out how to display album art.
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rmc6901 said:
This is weird. I installed USB audio player pro and as a result, I could get no audio through headphones using power amp or neutron. I had to uninstall usb audio player and then I got sound back. Any ideas? I restarted, but that didn't help. Usb audio player looked pretty good, but I couldn't figure out how to display album art.
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Just bought USB Audio Player Pro today. No issue and works good. Gain and eq is nice. Played music from stock DAC cable to Jeep the whole 1 1/2 hour ride home, no issues(music from sdcard). Just tried with stock earphones and music plays fine in PowerAmp.
Thanks. I'll give it another try. I might have changed a setting that affected the other players.
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Just using HTCs cheaper headphones I bought a couple months back. They sound pretty decent to me, but I can definitely hear the volume difference between 11 and 10. I'm hoping that HTC could add back the option to have custom profiles for different headphones/audio setups.
Galactus said:
So far I notice no difference between using the K1 on a high end PC and using it on my U11, as in I don't think the K1 cares which host driver is being used. Audio quality sounds the same on whatever device I pair the K1 with.
Just installed Neutron, comparing standard JNI driver and K1 driver, if there is any change, my ears cannot hear it. There is a subtle difference and I do me subtle difference between neutron and Spotify but I feel that is due to all of Neutron correction features etc. Either way, I can't tell which sounds better and there is no way I am trying to source 4000 songs just to play on Neutron for an inconceivable difference
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That could be a good sign that it's ignoring the universal USB host drivers for audio.
My K1 should arrive today. Let's hope it will work out.
Guys, don't you think we should talk about this in main thread as I wrote my thoughts about it? It would be tough to follow two threads which I'm sure gonna forget after a while. Also Hamdir confirms that we should be in main thread too.
And it would be good to talk about tricks and mods for the HTC adapter not only third party DAC :fingers-crossed:
It's getting crazier day by day. Received a usb c to micro usb cable without OTG.
Now the blue led from the K1 doesn't come on.
Tomorrow to a shop to try some cables...
Well just recieved the DragonFly Black v1.5 along with an Anker USB-C OTC Host data cable. Attached to phone and old HTC 3.5mm jack earphones and played a few songs through USB Audio Player Pro. The hardware volume is set at 50% and App volume is amazingly around 10% and its loud! Sounds is awesome too, will check tomorrow attached to Jeep Aux.
I'll have to grab a dragon fly black eventually. Just wondering what battery drain will be like. Hasn't been too much using the K1 but I know the Dragonfly can really pump out the volts
schmeggy929 said:
Well just recieved the DragonFly Black v1.5 along with an Anker USB-C OTC Host data cable. Attached to phone and old HTC 3.5mm jack earphones and played a few songs through USB Audio Player Pro. The hardware volume is set at 50% and App volume is amazingly around 10% and its loud! Sounds is awesome too, will check tomorrow attached to Jeep Aux.
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Great that it work out for you. Sound quality is indeed a lot better with a dedicated player like UAPP.
Hi, so earlier I tried to downgrade back to stock Nougat B35 for the giggles just to try it. I used @raystef66's SL!M DF!NR B35, complete clean flash and flashed both his bootstack and DrakenFX's bootstack. Only to find that I still get the same exact audio problems as I did on the Oreo ROMs. Not even the stock music player can play hi-fi FLAC files. Logcat just says "unsupported sample rate 192000"
Then i tried DrakenFX's B35 stocksystem and bootstack with the same exact problem. I was beginning to think maybe my DAC just stopped working and failed and I had hardware failure.
Then I EDL flashed B19 and hi-fi music was playing fine now, and outputting at 192000khz. What a huge difference in sound, especially with 38 ohm hi-fi headphones (ATH-M50x)!
So then I OTA updated to B25. Music was still fine. Then to B29 still fine. B25 same thing. B32 was still good as well. Then I OTA updated to B35, and now I ran into the problem again of not being able to play hi-fi FLAC files.
Did ZTE make a mistake or something? Why am I all of a sudden not able to play 192000khz and above audio files on B35? Does anyone else get this issue? Perhaps this is why we have audio problems in Oreo roms since they're based on B35. I don't know if I'm just talking out of my a** but this is what happens to me on completely stock B35 OTA update.
How to replicate this problem:
On B35, open up a music player that depends on Android's audio (not neutron or poweramp) such as the stock music player.
Try to play a song that has a sample rate of 192000khz or above such as this one
Profit
Sometimes depending on the music player, if the sample rate is not supported it won't even show up in your library at all.
It doesn't matter if you play it on speakers or headphones, it still won't work either way.
Just curious if you've tried any non stock players, and if the results have been the same.
christoophat said:
Just curious if you've tried any non stock players, and if the results have been the same.
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Yes they have. Playerpro, blackplayer EX, Retro music, and Newton
Doesn't work with stock, google play music, FK media player, but works with VLC media player.
Jirv0id said:
Doesn't work with stock, google play music, FK media player, but works with VLC media player.
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VLC also uses it's own audio stuff. Are you on stock B35 and experiencing this too?
Yes I am on B35.
Jirv0id said:
Yes I am on B35.
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Interesting, so I'm not the only one. I wish I heard from others to verify this problem
Intriguing find. But... does this effect only 192000 files? What content out there is actually 192000hz by default?
Mist3r_J said:
Intriguing find. But... does this effect only 192000 files? What content out there is actually 192000hz by default?
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It affects anything 192000khz and higher. Naturally, you probably won't run into a 192000khz file unless you're looking for it which is a huge problem for us audiophiles - the reason most of us bought the phone was because of the DAC and speakers. The phone outputs at 192000KHz with a hi-fi DAC called AK4490. Without the ability to play these files, the feature becomes useless. That is why getting audio to work on any custom rom besides Stock is a huge deal.
Teet1 said:
It affects anything 192000khz and higher. Naturally, you probably won't run into a 192000khz file unless you're looking for it which is a huge problem for us audiophiles - the reason most of us bought the phone was because of the DAC and speakers. The phone outputs at 192000KHz with a hi-fi DAC called AK4490. Without the ability to play these files, the feature becomes useless. That is why getting audio to work on any custom rom besides Stock is a huge deal.
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Sorry but I have to do this. It's not 192 Hz nor 192000 KHz. It's 192KHz or 192000 Hz. Thanks, have a good day. ?
Semantic's much? 192000 KillaHurtz, their.
A2017G B08 (7.1.1):
Stock player also cant play this file, but netease can.
Flaîm said:
A2017G B08 (7.1.1):
Stock player also cant play this file, but netease can.
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Then perhaps ZTE messed up in the latest OTA for every model. Or removed this feature. That would be unfortunate
Teet1 said:
Then perhaps ZTE messed up in the latest OTA for every model. Or removed this feature. That would be unfortunate
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I've never been able to play any 192K file on the stock player. Not on M or N.
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I've never been able to play any 192K file on the stock player. Not on M or N.
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Really? Never? I could prior to B35. This is a hi fi phone, it should have to. I will show you when I'm off work, I played that 192khz file just fine on B19-B32 on stock music player. As far as I know, the stock player is the only one out there that fully uses the AK4490 DAC when a 192khz file plays
Teet1 said:
Really? Never? I could prior to B35. This is a hi fi phone, it should have to. I will show you when I'm off work, I played that 192khz file just fine on B19-B32 on stock music player. As far as I know, the stock player is the only one out there that fully uses the AK4490 DAC when a 192khz file plays
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Then how does Neutron play 192k files? By the 4961, which can't play hi-fi audio at all? That makes no sense.
Every time that I want to open a 192k file with the stock player it'll just tell me that it's not supported. 96k works though. I've even downloaded a 192k test file and it couldn't be read either
But, do you really think that audio_flinger lies when using Neutron? It's not like you can do a direct output to nothingness and still get audio you know.
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Then how does Neutron play 192k files? By the 4961, which can't play hi-fi audio at all? That makes no sense.
Every time that I want to open a 192k file with the stock player it'll just tell me that it's not supported. 96k works though. I've even downloaded a 192k test file and it couldn't be read either
But, do you really think that audio_flinger lies when using Neutron? It's not like you can do a direct output to nothingness and still get audio you know.
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No my dude. To my knowledge, Neutron and PowerAmp were designed to be able to play FLAC 192k files on phones that do not support the hardware to do so, for people that do not for some reason want to manually downsample their audio files. Recently (like two years ago? poweramp hasnt been updated in forever...) it got beta support to directly connect to a device's DAC and output at 192k. They have their own audio libraries/codecs to be able to support playback of these hi-fi audio files. Essentially, it is a bypass for the phone to be able play these files. That's why it doesnt output to 192k and downsamples the audio to playback at 4800khz.
These errors both show up if you try to play out the speakers or the headjack so its not even a DAC issue.
That's just my observation though
Let me put my phone on B32 Nougat to test it out.
the AK4961 does support hi-fi apparently: https://www.akm.com/akm/en/file/datasheet/AK4961ECB.pdf
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No my dude. To my knowledge, Neutron and PowerAmp were designed to be able to play FLAC 192k files on phones that do not support the hardware to do so, for people that do not for some reason want to manually downsample their audio files. Recently (like two years ago? poweramp hasnt been updated in forever...) it got beta support to directly connect to a device's DAC and output at 192k. They have their own audio libraries/codecs to be able to support playback of these hi-fi audio files. Essentially, it is a bypass for the phone to be able play these files. That's why it doesnt output to 192k and downsamples the audio to playback at 4800khz.
These errors both show up if you try to play out the speakers or the headjack so its not even a DAC issue.
That's just my observation though
Let me put my phone on B32 Nougat to test it out.
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You're talking out of your a$s regarding poweramp, i tell you. I've looked around in the forums and it's just like i tell you, it looks for cues on build.prop as to what driver to use in order to make a direct output to the DAC that you have. It doesn't work on ours because max didn't make it work on ours, simple as that. But the downsample part is utter nonsense, any player can do that (also it's 48000 Hz or 48kHz xd)
If you still want to prove me wrong explain to me why there's a thread to ask for hi-res support if Poweramp downsamples. If you want to downsample you can just take Poweramp and use OpenSL and you'll have your downsampling.
Also that Neutron thing is also wrong. It is designed to be able to offload to special DACs or USB DACs. Quoting:
"32/64-bit audio processing (high quality HD audio).
OS independent decoding and audio processing.
Hi-Res Audio support (Android 4.4+, >= 24-bit, up to 768 kHz):
devices with on-board Hi-Res Audio DACs;
DAPs: iBasso DX200, Cayin i5-N5ii, Fiio X5-X7"
And audio_flinger doesn't lie. If it says there's a direct output thread with pcm24 and 192kHz then all that is going to the DAC believe it or not. If it says there's a mixer path then it's being downsampled @ 48k
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You're talking out of your a$s regarding poweramp, i tell you. I've looked around in the forums and it's just like i tell you, it looks for cues on build.prop as to what driver to use in order to make a direct output to the DAC that you have. It doesn't work on ours because max didn't make it work on ours, simple as that. But the downsample part is utter nonsense, any player can do that (also it's 48000 Hz or 48kHz xd)
If you still want to prove me wrong explain to me why there's a thread to ask for hi-res support if Poweramp downsamples. If you want to downsample you can just take Poweramp and use OpenSL and you'll have your downsampling.
Also that Neutron thing is also wrong. It is designed to be able to offload to special DACs or USB DACs. Quoting:
"32/64-bit audio processing (high quality HD audio).
OS independent decoding and audio processing.
Hi-Res Audio support (Android 4.4+, >= 24-bit, up to 768 kHz):
devices with on-board Hi-Res Audio DACs;
DAPs: iBasso DX200, Cayin i5-N5ii, Fiio X5-X7"
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I'm in no way trying to prove you wrong. I'm just telling you what I observe here. The ONLY players that can even play 192k files on either the Oreo roms and B35 stock is neutron and poweramp and VLC. No other music player on these roms can play 192k, which is what I am finding so strange here. I don't know what you're getting so worked up about, im just telling you my observations. have a beer :good: im currently downloading B32 stocksystem, so I will show you that I can play 192k on the stock music player, but you claim that you can't, which is what I find so strange. I've always been able to play 192k before B35, im just trying to figure out this situation
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I'm in no way trying to prove you wrong. I'm just telling you what I observe here. The ONLY players that can even play 192k files on either the Oreo roms and B35 stock is neutron and poweramp and VLC. No other music player on these roms can play 192k, which is what I am finding so strange here. I don't know what you're getting so worked up about, im just telling you my observations. have a beer :good: im currently downloading B32 stocksystem, so I will show you that I can play 192k on the stock music player, but you claim that you can't, which is what I find so strange. I've always been able to play 192k before B35, im just trying to figure out this situation
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I believe you, but I say that I can't because I definitely can't. I'm not sure but it may be that I have a G. Even using the U player app didn't work for me.
I'm getting all worked up about "the stock player is the only one out there that fully uses the AK4490 DAC when a 192khz file plays". And all of the stuff that you said about the other two. I mean, we know how it works: if the player can output to the DAC, it creates a direct output and uses the hi-fi DAC; if it can't, it simply falls back to Java (opensl) or the other one. Of course that PA and neutron can downsample; any player with the FLAC libs that can open a flac will be able to do so.