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Major Issues With Quality of Camcorder

I have been playing with the Camcorder on the EVO and I have some major gripes with 720p recording.
- Image quality is terrible. Either the sensor source is far less than 1280x720 and they are upscaling or the optics are crap and I can't tell the difference.
- I am unable to record 720p30 under ANY lighting conditions. In good light I get about 22 fps. In low light I get 10 fps!
- Even worse, the FR fluctuates during record. This leads to motion that's more choppy than chop suey. Imagine a clip where one frame is held for 60 ms, and the next for 100 ms, the next for 50 ms. EVO encodes sequences like this routinely.
I expected decent quality 720p30 from the EVO and what I got is something unusable. Why haven't any reviewers mentioned this yet?
Other than this I'm extremely satisfied with the camera. I just feel RIPPED OFF though because they are selling this camera as "HD" and it seems like "HD" is a tacked-on in-name-only feature.

well, it does have 720P output. so i dont think HD was just tacked on.

ShawnN said:
I have been playing with the Camcorder on the EVO and I have some major gripes with 720p recording.
- Image quality is terrible. Either the sensor source is far less than 1280x720 and they are upscaling or the optics are crap and I can't tell the difference.
- I am unable to record 720p30 under ANY lighting conditions. In good light I get about 22 fps. In low light I get 10 fps!
- Even worse, the FR fluctuates during record. This leads to motion that's more choppy than chop suey. Imagine a clip where one frame is held for 60 ms, and the next for 100 ms, the next for 50 ms. EVO encodes sequences like this routinely.
I expected decent quality 720p30 from the EVO and what I got is something unusable. Why haven't any reviewers mentioned this yet?
Other than this I'm extremely satisfied with the camera. I just feel RIPPED OFF though because they are selling this camera as "HD" and it seems like "HD" is a tacked-on in-name-only feature.
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about the camera ? mine kinda looks grainy and to be honest the HD2 takes better pictures.. i need to start playing with settings.. some times pic quality looks poor ...

ajftl said:
about the camera ? mine kinda looks grainy and to be honest the HD2 takes better pictures.. i need to start playing with settings.. some times pic quality looks poor ...
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I totally disagree with that comment. I took this picture today, with default settings - inside of my car. So, that's the windshield reflection you see in the top right. But still, the quality is deafening.
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View full size here - http://www.flickr.com/photos/oxeneers/4647665261/sizes/o/.

I agree, I'm amazed at the still camera quality.. some examples:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ -- the detail in the clouds, and some of the pics from Muir Woods are just incredible (from a phone, no less!). And the adjustable focal length makes for some nice effects (see "fallen tree")
I haven't had a chance to really try out video yet. Though one of my coworkers noticed that while we were driving on the golden gate bridge and he took a picture out the window, the bars -- supposed to be vertical -- appear in the photos at about a 30* angle... So it is clearly reading from the sensor in a left-right/top-down order and not taking an instant snapshot of the light that's hitting the sensor at the time. But the fact that it actually caught detail of those bars, rather than just appearing as an unrecognizable blur, is impressive.

the picture posted to me look awesome. do you think with froyo, the camcorder issues, if any, would be resolved???
Chris

I am not a pro at cameras\ camcorders but my evo records and plays fine.

The "vertical bars become slanted" phenomenon is called rolling shutter, Google it and you will find a good explanation (I can't post the link 'cause I'm a new user).
It's bad enough when your sensor FR is 30 fps, but the more you get below 30 (ex. the slower you read out) the worse the problem gets.
Still quality is just fine. The major problem with video is that 720p30 is unachievable.

Sorry, but for an 8mp camera, those pics are lousy. Maybe you guys are just used to HTC's previous cameras? I'm sure this is a step up, but they are still pretty bad. At the moment, this appears to be the best camera in an Android phone (that I'm aware of) but that isn't saying much.
Lets see some macro shots to get a better idea of the sensor's ability.

Yeah kind of a bummer, I remember video recording looking great on the Droid's screen but much less so on a pc perhaps in part due to the much higher pixel density on the 3.7" screen (~265 ppi) or ~217 ppi for EVO.
I've heard rumors the next iPhone will have a 5x optical zoom (not digital distortion) & rather not have them win bragging rights over the EVO..

Actually looks pretty good here:
Oh & let the Google TV vs Apple TV battle for market share begin..

My EVO takes great pictures. Sometimes some blur in completely dark environments because it can't see to focus before the flash pops. As it is with any camera operating in a totally dark environment.
To the guy who said it is crappy quality for an 8MP camera...ummm...it's not the quality of the optics that suck here. Colors are saturated properly, everything is good. What you are complaining about is the jpg compression. Which is a software issue.
Maybe it will change. Maybe it won't. Personally there is not a better phone camera on the market. If so I'd like to see some shots posted.
As for the video. Yes. If it's not properly lit, it's pretty pixelated in my opinion. In bright daylight I think it is truly amazing this video is being produced on my phone.

New Camera defect?

i was waiting at the vet and decided to snap a picture of my dog
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both the still and viewfinder display show these lines
(a reset to factory settings via the camera app restores it to normal)
is this something anyone else has experienced?

RavenWulf said:
it's just 1 of many screen names of someone who is upset about something the Mods have done.
does the camera only have the issue with stock app or does it do it with 3rd party apps like Camera 360?
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Yea i'd have to agree download a second Camera Application to see if it happens on a secondary program. That will isolate the difference between a bad camera or bad programing.

you know i didnt look and see if camera360 was doing it
my suspicions lie in the camera app getting wonky (see: using multiple programs and getting a bad driver warning...please restart)
it happens
ill check another app besides stock when it happens again
thanks guys

This is a common issue when taking digital pictures under florescent lights. Its due to the frequency the lights flash at.
It is a very inconsistent problem in most cases. A better way to see if there is really a problem is by taking pics in different settings and lighting conditions.

tintingkc said:
This is a common issue when taking digital pictures under florescent lights. Its due to the frequency the lights flash at.
It is a very inconsistent problem in most cases. A better way to see if there is really a problem is by taking pics in different settings and lighting conditions.
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Bingo, this is the answer.

tintingkc said:
This is a common issue when taking digital pictures under florescent lights. Its due to the frequency the lights flash at.
It is a very inconsistent problem in most cases. A better way to see if there is really a problem is by taking pics in different settings and lighting conditions.
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nailed it
the 2x it has happened has been in similar lighting situations

This happens to me with my Epic when I set it to lock at 800 ISO

Whosdaman said:
This happens to me with my Epic when I set it to lock at 800 ISO
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At that point your bringing a lot of noise(grain) in so the issue is amplified.
Many think mega pixels make a good camera. This can be no further from the truth. The sensor and processing is what really makes the difference provided there are good optics(lens). Something you will not see on a phone. Nokia is still the only one that has done well here.
You are going to get noise and banding with cell phone pics unless the lighting is optimal. Its a give and take that has to be dealt with. Phones have terrible lenses and cheap sensors. The two key functions to a quality photo. The only reason they look as good as they do is processing done in the built in software.
The cameras on the phones these days are doing well but will never replace your point and shoot or DSLR.

tintingkc said:
At that point your bringing a lot of noise(grain) in so the issue is amplified.
Many think mega pixels make a good camera. This can be no further from the truth. The sensor and processing is what really makes the difference provided there are good optics(lens). Something you will not see on a phone. Nokia is still the only one that has done well here.
You are going to get noise and banding with cell phone pics unless the lighting is optimal. Its a give and take that has to be dealt with. Phones have terrible lenses and cheap sensors. The two key functions to a quality photo. The only reason they look as good as they do is processing done in the built in software.
The cameras on the phones these days are doing well but will never replace your point and shoot or DSLR.
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Yeah nokia has some amazing cameras on their phones think of if nokia made a android... that would be amazing xD i love their build quality and phones just.. symbian ew

tell me about it
http://thehandheldblog.com/2010/10/04/shootout-nokia-n8-v-canon-550d-dslr/

camera quality

I got my note and it is really great but the camera is very bad I think it is a matter of configuration, because the Colours are very poor in the photos and the contrast very low

I've got Galaxy Note on 11 Nov 2011, I noticed that when switching on Camera, targeting any white wall, I notice Columns / Bars of shadows are moving like curtain or Smoke from left to right of the screen specially in a low light places, also a pink spot in the middle of the screen.
Is this normal? if not, What I have to do?
I have Galaxy Note GT-N7000 - 2.3.6 JPKK2
Kernel Ver: 2.6.35.7-N7000JPKK2-CL726640
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tito17182 said:
I got my note and it is really great but the camera is very bad I think it is a matter of configuration, because the Colours are very poor in the photos and the contrast very low
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Ahem, I would return that unit, take a look at this picture taken yesterday, all default values on camera, untouched, uploaded directly from phone.

Hello,
First of all, be sure that you are using the 8MP / 3264x2448 resolution.
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Second, clean the camera, Maybe there is a fingerprint or dust on it.
And lets see how it goes with you =)

off topic, but I only noticed today (after 2 weeks of ownership) that there is a transparent plastic film over the lens which I never spotted when I unboxed it. I've taken quite a few photos and I had not noticed any quality issues - in fact I was very pleased with the crisp clear images it was producing.
I'm actually considering leaving the film in place for now as it protects the lens (which is otherwise pretty exposed). I figure that until I start to notice image problems due to the film getting roughed up, it's doing no real harm I guess I should really try the cam with the film removed to see what photos are *meant* to look like before I decide on that course of action though!

The camera works best with abundant light. The outdoor picture posted earlier in this thread looks great for a cellphone camera. However my indoor pic with low light and no flash is grainy and lacks contrast.
Pic here: imgur . com/3w2wi

Hogun said:
The camera works best with abundant light. The outdoor picture posted earlier in this thread looks great for a cellphone camera. However my indoor pic with low light and no flash is grainy and lacks contrast.
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You can not expect good non-grainy pictures in low-light from any camera that it's smaller than a SLR. It's a fundamental law of nature (quantum variations and Poisson distribution of photons). You need a big sensor and big lens to capture more light, something you are not going to get on a phone.
But the camera is good for daylight and captures colors very well (oversaturated, but you can lower that and get a more natural look).
Just to add some numbers, check this image from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SensorSizes.svg
Most superzoom / cheap cameras have 6 mm wide sensors. The biggest you're going to find on a compact (retractile lens) camera is 8 mm. Big cameras use APS-C (23 mm wide).
A cellullar phone has 1 mm-wide sensor. Galaxy Note camera has 8 mpixels, but each pixel is hundreds of times smaller than the ones on a SLR. So much more noise. This can NOT be solved in any way.

vcespon said:
This can NOT be solved in any way.
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How did the nokia n8 solve it?

inurb said:
How did the nokia n8 solve it?
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By using a 1/1.83" sensor; almost the same size as the sensor found in well-regarded compact cameras like the Panasonic LX3/5, the Olympus XZ-1, the Canon G12, S90, S95, and S100.

Disgusting sharpening

The first thing I noticed when using the camera on this phone was how the images looked over processed. Most notably, I did a digital zoom photo yesterday and the sharpening on it was disgusting. It didn't even look like a photo.
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See what I mean? All I did was zoom in and take a photo. It looks horrible.
Look at this picture for example
Even just zoomed in a bit you can see way too much sharpening going on
Now I know this phone is a "budget phone" but it supposedly has the same lens as the Galaxy S7 so that isn't really an excuse. It looks like it comes down to it being the processing that moto put in.
Can anybody out there please let me know if rooting my phone and shooting RAW will produce cleaner photos? I would have to guess so, since I can control the sharpening myself. I haven't been able to find any RAW samples from this phone.

is it a software thing? I've converted to snap camera on whatever device.

I'm afraid it's in the firmware. Any camera app I've tried yields the same results

U should probably return or replace u your phone I had the same issue without even zooming
The phone couldn't focus on things right next the camera mine also had pink tints while recording
So I got mine replaced​
Now everything works good

It's also the processor. The G5 plus has the 625 while the S7 had the 820 allowing for much better image processing.

nigaindelhi said:
U should probably return or replace u your phone I had the same issue without even zooming
The phone couldn't focus on things right next the camera mine also had pink tints while recording
So I got mine replaced​
Now everything works good
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Well it focuses just fine, and pictures in day light look alright but there is some heavy noticeable processing going on in the moto firmware.
This picture looks pretty good but if you zoom in just a bit you can really see the over sharpening.
Here is a photo of my Nexus 5x
It looks much cleaner to me. Less over processing and less sharpening artifacts. The processor on the G5 Plus should be pretty comparable to the 808 in the N5x so I really don't think its a processor issue. It seems to me like it was a design choice by Moto. All of the sample photos I have seen also have too much sharpening. I am strongly considering just rooting the device and shooting raw. At least then I can control the sharpening myself

Well then we would have to wait for an update then

emoney1219 said:
It's also the processor. The G5 plus has the 625 while the S7 had the 820 allowing for much better image processing.
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It should make no difference, if you do the same processing in software - other than perhaps taking slightly longer to process the photo?
Otherwise, we'll have to shoot RAW if we want the best quality I guess?
It seems to me however, that any settings affecting the image processing quality should have parameters which could be changed?

critofur said:
It should make no difference, if you do the same processing in software - other than perhaps taking slightly longer to process the photo?
Otherwise, we'll have to shoot RAW if we want the best quality I guess?
It seems to me however, that any settings affecting the image processing quality should have parameters which could be changed?
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The processor contains the ISP or the Image Signal Processor which controls HDR, white balance, auto focus, exposure, color filters and so on. The better the ISP the better the image. So while the 2 phones have the same sensor they will never have the same image results because they have different processors and the more powerful chips have better ISP on board resulting in better images even with the same sensor.

The strength of this camera's focusing is in the sensor chip - "dual pixel focus".
All the other things you mention such as white balance, HDR, color filters are applied after the RAW image is taken - so, there's really no reason that you couldn't generate the same quality of image.

if nothing else, I'm upgrading my everyday knock around (2015) moto e. I won't complain toooooo much.

I have to agree with the OP on this one - there is some horrendous post-processing going on with this phone.
I'd love to get that to stop - even if we have to go to RAW/DNG to get it.
Has anyone done the root/Freedcam method described in another thread on here and gotten DNGs from this camera?
I'd love to see how they look... I'll eventually do it when LOS gets stable enough.

wait couple of days more, there will be some nice mods incoming for g5p camera.

srb- said:
I have to agree with the OP on this one - there is some horrendous post-processing going on with this phone.
I'd love to get that to stop - even if we have to go to RAW/DNG to get it.
Has anyone done the root/Freedcam method described in another thread on here and gotten DNGs from this camera?
I'd love to see how they look... I'll eventually do it when LOS gets stable enough.
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2017_05_09_17_44_53-Edit-Edit by defcomk, on Flickr
Raw No Flat Field Correction - Bad Noise Profile so color bleed when doing NR

defcomg said:
Raw No Flat Field Correction - Bad Noise Profile so color bleed when doing NR
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Looks like a promising photo to me!
I'm new around XDA... is will flat field correction and NR come with time, or is this the best we'll get?

srb- said:
Looks like a promising photo to me!
I'm new around XDA... is will flat field correction and NR come with time, or is this the best we'll get?
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Probably before Friday its only day two of having the phone but thanks for reminding me gonna do flat field now light nice and diffused

Photo quality

Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Samsung Galaxy S10 Lite come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

The camera is the weakpoint of this phone. For the price you pay for it, I would have expected a much more decent camera.
Attached photo was done in a bright room but you can clearly see that the noise is present and the details of the wooden floor disappear.
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In order to be able to compare the quality of the above photo, I added another one that was took using an iphone 11. Same room, same light.
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I know it's not fair to compare it to a phone that costs the same as almost two s10 lite phones but I'm guessing that the SE 2020 which is on the same level will beat it.
The screen is nice though ...

Honestly fine.
I dont know why people gave this a low rating. I feel like people are expecting to much from Phone camera's.
For an average human being that takes a pics for memories or casual photo albums its more than fine. Enough options to choose from.
I do miss the lack of tap to focus, unless i missed it somewhere in the settings.

Hi people,
The cams are ok in good light situations i think for the price of the phone!
Only in low light situations it will have not so good performance. The aperture is only 2.0 so for that aperture is not so strange. Try to get as much as light as possible and your photo's will be ok!

I have a question, is this camera able to take RAW photos? And can you use a third party app to change the shutter speed?

Al3xxxinho said:
The camera is the weakpoint of this phone. For the price you pay for it, I would have expected a much more decent camera.
Attached photo was done in a bright room but you can clearly see that the noise is present and the details of the wooden floor disappear.
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In order to be able to compare the quality of the above photo, I added another one that was took using an iphone 11. Same room, same light.
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I know it's not fair to compare it to a phone that costs the same as almost two s10 lite phones but I'm guessing that the SE 2020 which is on the same level will beat it.
The screen is nice though ...
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It's a reaaaally huge difference dude! I am disappointed, I was thinking to get the lite for me, maybe not after see that pics.

One area that the camera impressed with was digital zoom (8x). Daylight pictures from 20 feet away were good. Guess that's one advantage of a high megapixel count.

SkullDeath said:
One area that the camera impressed with was digital zoom (8x). Daylight pictures from 20 feet away were good. Guess that's one advantage of a high megapixel count.
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Also macro is really impressive, i use it al lot and its not disappointing either. As long you have enough light the cams are fine!

got it for 450euro, 128gb, white
for that, i give 4stars. im fine with the camera. macro is surprisingly good. gcam works...whatelse i want?

I pass loll

Seen gcam pictures on youtube, difference night and day on the details and brightness.
https://youtu.be/xXlFN8jl2s4
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Now that i have the phone i think its very disappointing, can't make sharp pictures. Whatever camera app i use, zoomed in to the picture its not sharp, compared with ipad pro 2017. Everything is soft. People complain about it allot with s10 series. I didnt expect miracles from this phone but it is just ridiculous if every photo is to soft.