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poor camera software

i tried 'vignette' with the image stabilisation feature on and the quality set to superfine ....the resulting images were literally twice as good as with the default camera app ....no blur and sharper, more detailed.
The Image Stabilisation obviously helps, and the superfine setting on vignette saves the images at a much higher quality with less compression, the file sizes being about 2.7mb vs 1.6 for default app.
so with these facts in mind it is apparent that samsung is not making full use of the camera hardware .....it is being limited once again by the poor software.
unfortunately 'vignette' is not really useable full time because it is slow as heck!
you have to wait 10 - 15 seconds between shots while it processes, so ideally it would be nice if samsung got their heads out of their asses and fixed the software so it is not crippling the hardware.

Seriously? In my opinion the Samsung camera is the best camera software for Android. Beats even the HTC Camera.
BTW, this thread probably wasn't meant to be in Development section...

don't know where it's meant to go, i guessed since it had to do with the built in firmware ......
ok, it's not a terrible camera, but it could be much better, especially in low light conditions. In perfect daylight it does take superb photos.
here are two samples, identical conditions, tell me which you think is better
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+1 for second 1

2nd one is better

thanks, the second is the vignette one .....there's obviously a noticeable difference

Wow, you're absolutely right. I just tried it myself (quick test here at work) and Vignette solves my main issue with the SGS camera, which was the aggressive noise reduction that made images way too soft.
With Vignette (no filters applied) there's a lot more detail in the image. It might be due to Samsung compressing images too much (which accounts for the file size differences) but it might also be image processing on the stock camera app is way too agressive.
I'll do some more proper tests soon.
These are 1:1 crops of a test pic. Both pics taken from the same spot, focusing on the middle of the image and with no other processing applied.

damn it i cant buy this app till i get my debit card pin!

diehard2222 said:
damn it i cant buy this app till i get my debit card pin!
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There's a free version available. I'm going to do tests with some other camera apps and see whether every app is doing a better job than Samsung's app or if it's just Vignette.

i didnt try them all, vignette had the best reviews, and seems to be one of the only ones that includes image stabilisation and saves images at a higher quality (less compression) than samsung.
the demo does have some limitations, and, as i said, it is very slow in processing the photos.
if u find an alternate one that does the same job faster pls let us know.

ohhhhhhhhh.... thanks for the suggestion
http://www.appbrain.com/app/uk.co.neilandtheresa.Vignette

Camera 360 also provides IS. There is a free and a paid for app, and the IS is available on both. Not sure about the level of compression though, not checked respective file sizes.
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i have ben testing with camera apps also yesterday,and i realized there must be some bug in the camera firmware either, that prevents all apps that feature a zoom to do this, as soon as i zoom in, the image freezes and gets pixelated.
during tests with vignette i found that it uses a different approach to zooming by just actually cropping the immage and therefore not causing a freeze. also i did not see the sayed delay on taking a photo...

Yes, the Vignette pictures seem a bit more detailed and it certainly has to do with the lower compression it's using. However, some of it is just because Vignette seems to sharpen pictures more as well (which is something you don't really want) and that also seems to accentuate noise. Also, from my test it seems that Vignette also tends to underexpose pictures, another not really welcome effect (most digital camera pictures are already way too underexposed).
So while it would be nice to be able to choose lower compression in stock camera, because of the things mentioned above (and also because of the ability to change metering method) I'd still pick stock app as an overall winner, despite the less detail (some of which can be reclaimed by sharpening the picture a bit afterwards). Though Vignette might certainly come handy under certain circumstances (so thanks for the tip, I'm keeping it even though I just wanted to test it at first).

the camera 360 seem to produce a better picture in a lit room. not sure if it's a placebo effect, shall compare it with the stock camera tomorrow. eyes too tired tonight.
gonna compare the shots taken tomorrow in the day too.

i trashed camera 360 after 5 minutes of trying to figure out how to turn the random effects off and gave up when it kept adding a different effect to every pic i took
....but i found this one which at least to my own eyes (in limited testing) takes slightly better photos than the stock app, it has no settings whatsoever except for point and click (although there are some extra filter effects which i didn't bother with), it is very bare bones but fast. I will test it some more tomorrow in daylight.
http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.nate.android.cycamera

I'm using primarily Vignette, but damn, I think the programmers designed it in a way that is really is supposed to be slow (it's designed to be old-school-like right? LOL).

ok, tried cycmera in daylight ....it's rubbish, has no focusing mechanism whatsoever so is useless.
also noticed that vignette creates an invisible thumnails folder inside the dcim folder which can build up to huge sizes if not manually deleted ....this is really stupid imo

definitely the quality is much better with Vignette over the stock app.
however it is reallyyyyyy slow. Even when changing settings it is slow to react. When processing the image, takes about 10 seconds.
And also we can't choose with our finger where we want the focus to be like in the stock app.

maybe the "improvements" in vignette comes from the post-processing?

Samsung Galaxy S3 Vs Nikon D5000 DSLR

Samsung Galaxy S3 Vs Nikon D5000 DSLR
Why?
I have a week off this week and while my fiancee is working, I thought I wpould charge my camera battery and have a practice. I am a really amateur photographer. By that I mean I own a nice DSLR (Upper Entry-level) and a couple of lenses but I've never really taken much time to get used to it. Today was a great oppurtunity.
Whilst I started taking snaps, i thought "Wouldn't it be cool if..." and here we are.
Disclaimer - Scientific conditions.
Mode:
Whilst I am only an amateur, I am familiar with my camera and its modes. Although I usually shoot in manual mode, adjusting the aperture and shutter speed as I see fit, for a reasonable degree of accuracy, I decided to use Auto mode. This is also what I used on the SGS 3.
Where as I tried to maintain Automode, I did slip into landscape mode a couple of times on the DSLR. Unfortunately I do not recollect which images were taken in each mode. It was mostly Auto though.
Zoom:
I stuck to my 18-55mm lens on the Nikon and used digital zoom on the SGS3. Although these can never be compared, as this is more a "look what the SGS3 can do" thing, I didn't think that should matter.
MegaPixels:
I set both top their top resolution. The DSLR is 12MP so obviously the detail is better when shown on a huge billboard. On a screen which is smaller than that, it shouldn't be noticable. remember, a HD display (1920x1080) is less than 2.1MP
Galaxy Resolution - 3264×2448 pixels
D5000 Resolution - 4310×2868 pixels
Image format:
The SGS3 takes images in .JPG format by standard. The DSLR took them in .NEF (Nikon RAW) and was converted afterwards. Converting RAW to .JPG on a computer (I used UFraw command line tool on Linux) gives a little bit better quality than letting the camera save as .JPG directly
Conclusions
Obviously this test was just for fun and was never intended to show that the SGS3 would be better than an upper entry level DSLR which even now, 3 years after release, can cost upwards of £500 GBP with a basic 18-55MM lens. Well guess what?! It's not better than the DSLR but hey, we never expected it to be.
What you can tell from the images is that where some of the DSLR images were a bit dark in auto mode, the SGS3 had some nice and bright shots. You can clearly see the difference in quality on some shots, but in others, not so much. I was very surprised at how well the SGS3 took pictures and how nice some of them did look, even compared to the superior DSLR, some of the pcitures the SGS3 took looked nicer, if not better.
Slightly related, but the experience of previewing the image taken was MUCH more enjoyable on the SGS3 with its bright and vibrant screen. You can instantly tell if the image will come out blurry or not, which with the DSLR was really tricky. You cna onyl really check if the photo is framed as you expected.
All in all, the SGS3 is a fantastic little camera. It may not be able to keep up with the big boys but it was never intended to. I would never be disappointed whipping it out of my pocket to capture an "of the moment" photograph. I am very impressed.
Further diclaimer
As mentioned, I am not a photographer. I am sure there are others out there who can do much better than I did with both devices. Remember this is just for fun.
I haven't scientifically analysed the outputs of both devices and used any software or anythign like that. If anyone is into that, please feel free to post results here. I would definitely be interested. All I have done, is used my eyes.
The Images
Each photo tells you if its SGS3 or Nikon from the properties but essentially, the first image is always the SGS3, the second is always the D5000
https://picasaweb.google.com/101616642112510848507/SamsungGalaxyS3VsNikonD5000DSLR
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Have you try another phone like nexus 4 or htc one x?
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glossywhite said:
Was this a joke post? lol.
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?? I think its a good post showing off the gs3 camera well done op
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glossywhite said:
Was this a joke post? lol.
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You didn't have to quote the entire first post! Geez!!!!
I think it's good. I'd love to see comparison results!

I think it's a Inovative idea to Compare s3 and slr but really a daft comparison
The whole point of an slr is control, and whether Full frame or cropped and the list goes on. Quality of sensor.
As much as the s3 has a reasonable lens it is no comparison to a good slr or even a simple slr.
I've been am-tog for over 25yrs from good old 110 days, 35mm film, med format and digital.
S3 auto exp
Canon 50D 10mm-22mm lens and 580ex flash.... Full manual
Taken in almost complete darkness with strobe and coloured lighting.
There's absolutely no way a camera phone could produce this.
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It is a daft comparison. The real aim was to show by removing the element of control, given that the lens and sensor are not of the same quality, the s3 really isn't that bad at all.
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rootSU said:
It is a daft comparison. The real aim was to show by removing the element of control, given that the lens and sensor are not of the same quality, the s3 really isn't that bad at all.
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In the street almost all photo good - camera it is or Nokia 1100
Try make photo INside, at home - and you WILL see REALLLL difference

Z3 camera worse than Moto G 2014?

Today I tested canera performance on my Z3 and my brother's Moto G (2014). The result scared me a little. I hope it's just me who thought the moto G ones were more vivid... what do u guys think?
Moto G:
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Z3 captures the colors as they are in real life. Some would say that's good, but I'd rather get more vivid images instead ?

That's why you edit pictures afterwise.

lol1rfs said:
That's why you edit pictures afterwise.
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So a high-end $600 phone needs pictures edited to make it equal to a low budget phone?

Well what did the actual scene look like????

se1000 said:
Well what did the actual scene look like????
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It looked more like the z3's pics. The Moto saturation is a little high.

Yes, sadly.

Try the Camera FV-5 apk. Not that any particular app makes the pictures look better but it gives you a DSLR complete control feel to it. Also the Aviary apk (free) has some nice simple touch ups for pictures.
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Whats wrong with the pics?
The Moto pictures look as said saturated blurred and low in quality.
The camera of the Z3 is the best one I ever had. Even in low light enviroment it makes awesome pics.
Compare some pics in the evening when u are watching tv with lights out and be happy to have a phone with such an awesome cam.
The Cam and the Display are the 2 things that keeps me away from installing CM.
If u want more colors play a bit around with the special effects f.e. hdr.

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Well what did the actual scene look like????
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So, I wasn't there but this is what I interpret the pictures as.
The Moto G pics aren't really over-saturated, they just lack dynamic range (difference between dark vs light areas). They essentially tuned the sensor so that if this sort of thing happens, it chooses the brighter side of the scene. The leaves and darker areas can't be recorded as dark as they actually were, so it chooses to make the overall picture just brighter. Sony does a much better job of capturing the light areas such as the concrete and also the darker shades and leaves. The other difference is white balance, the Sony chose something a little cooler, and the Moto warmer. Without being there, tough to say which is more accurate but from the pics I'd say the Sony got it right.
Easy fix, force the Sony to overexpose or use something like pixlr to boost exposure.
Second picture is much of the same, the thing that jumps out is the red colors. In the moto it looks orange, in the Z it looks much more red. Again, if I had to guess the Z got it right.
Now, this is all great with plants, rocks, and garden hoses, but what happens when you take a picture of people? Those Moto pics are going to look off, like people's faces look like cake and lack the proper color it needs.

Z3 is easily better if you know how to use a camera

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Z3 is easily better if you know how to use a camera
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Thats kind of the while point of "point and shoot". I should be fiddling with settings when im trying to capture that moment. Superior auto setting is an absolute garbage
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Xposed module changes superior auto to 20.7 mp makes a big difference

Seriously what is wrong with you guys.
Have you ever used an high quality cam?
In every shop there are phones where you can test them.
There are more tests in the net as you could ever read in your lifetime.
So if you don't like it don't buy it.
Should sound familiar as an iPhone user xD
Have just done a few shots but I'm sure you can save your favorite settings.
If this is too mich work to do I would suggest to sell your Z3 and buy an Moto or similar and stop annoying us.

I personally think the z3 camera is one of the best out there not hard to use manual mode

Sorry. I should've quoted the person who said that that he prefeerd the more vibrant colors over the more accurate. I meant that if you want it more vibrant you should edit it so and let the original photo be correct.

I use 8MP on manual it does well, it's just "Superior Auto" that sucks.

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So a high-end $600 phone needs pictures edited to make it equal to a low budget phone?
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Sorry. I should've quoted the person who said that that he prefeerd the more vibrant colors over the more accurate. I meant that if you want it more vibrant you should edit it so and let the original photo be correct.

I think it isa good also ti add that Feature if the client wants a vibrant they should add it.
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Did you try using HDR?

Photos Taken With M9

Hi,
post pictures taken with your M9.
HTC One M9 Flickr Group > https://www.flickr.com/groups/htc_one_m9/
Samples:
hamdir > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=59821245&postcount=274
PhoneArena > http://www.phonearena.com/news/First-camera-samples-from-the-HTC-One-M9_id66435
cNet > http://www.cnet.com/news/a-day-with-htc-one-m9s-new-cameras/
SlashGear > http://www.slashgear.com/htc-one-m9-hands-on-android-goes-luxe-01371018/
GsmArena > http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_mwc_2015-review-1215p4.php
zdNet > http://www.zdnet.com/pictures/htc-o...xels-on-the-back-and-ultrapixel-on-the-front/
low lights - PhoneArena > http://www.phonearena.com/news/Are-...Samsung-test-setup-seems-inconclusive_id66731 (pics attached here)
the Verge > http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/2/8133227/htc-one-m9-camera-sample-images
aliHTCDHD > https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157651909030821/
starbase64 > https://www.flickr.com/photos/maik_reifschneider/sets/72157651505923058/
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The camera software is not final yet. Camera samples are not really telling yet..

That bottom one seems to show the red heating issue that the m7 suffered ?

@vizzy
It is embarrassing when they make a mistake twice

low lights - PhoneArena are S6 vs M8...

Not looking good so far
Even though they say it's not final, they've had quite a while to work on improving the camera. I doubt much will change between now and a few weeks.

geoff5093 said:
Not looking good so far
Even though they say it's not final, they've had quite a while to work on improving the camera. I doubt much will change between now and a few weeks.
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Opinions, in order to be valid, need to be based on fact.
M9 camera software is still a work in progress. It has been improving steadily. Algorithms are updated almost daily.
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geoff5093 said:
Not looking good so far
Even though they say it's not final, they've had quite a while to work on improving the camera. I doubt much will change between now and a few weeks.
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I think the phone arena shots look great.

fernando sor said:
I think the phone arena shots look great.
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The indoor shots I've seen show a lot of noise reduction and sharpening, making the photos look heavily processed

geoff5093 said:
The indoor shots I've seen show a lot of noise reduction and sharpening, making the photos look heavily processed
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Well hopefully some of the issues are software related.

Barcelona at night - shot with the HTC M9
Source: Twitter/ https://twitter.com/chrisch1974

There are huge variations in the above photos. Probably because there may have been differences in software and possibly because some of the reviewers are bad photographers. Especially some of the Verge photos show that the guy (that called the phone a beautiful disappointment) did not know how to take proper photos.
Some of the photos are very good, some bad. I believe that HDR will be needed in many cases and I'm not optimistic about low light photos.
I think that we will see many people using the front camera to take pictures during the night.
I still want to see some proper photo review with the latest software.

An album full of images taken with an HTC One M9 (non-final software). Looks pretty good to me...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jpenico/sets/72157650671608427/with/16509729050/

VictorC said:
An album full of images taken with an HTC One M9 (non-final software). Looks pretty good to me...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jpenico/sets/72157650671608427/with/16509729050/
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Dunno why but it looks like taken by the Marketing team of HTC, compared to the other samples we saw, it's like 3x time better, so it's either after lot of manual optimal settings or taken in RAW.
BTW why we still don't have any RAW photo sample?

Perhaps, we'll see... Software optimization can really change a lot. I remember how bad the Nexus 5 camera was at the beginning and after the first updates the quality improved a lot.
Here's what Anandtech said about the M9 camera/photos after their quick hands on. The pictures posted in the article look ok.
http://anandtech.com/show/9012/htc-launches-one-m9-handson
"In casual testing, I saw a dramatic improvement in daytime image quality, and features like HDR as seen above are dramatically improved from the One M8. In general there seem to be fewer issues with things like field curvature and other types of optical distortion along with drastically improved dynamic range, but in low light the results I saw were indicative of poor processing and tuning. HTC representatives stated that the camera tuning, especially in low light were far from final so it remains to be seen if these issues remain in the final product. It seems that the ImageChip 2 has also been deleted from the M9, although the reasons for this are not clear".

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Perhaps, we'll see... Software optimization can really change a lot. I remember how bad the Nexus 5 camera was at the beginning and after the first updates the quality improved a lot.
Here's what Anandtech said about the M9 camera/photos after their quick hands on. The pictures posted in the article look ok.
http://anandtech.com/show/9012/htc-launches-one-m9-handson
"In casual testing, I saw a dramatic improvement in daytime image quality, and features like HDR as seen above are dramatically improved from the One M8. In general there seem to be fewer issues with things like field curvature and other types of optical distortion along with drastically improved dynamic range, but in low light the results I saw were indicative of poor processing and tuning. HTC representatives stated that the camera tuning, especially in low light were far from final so it remains to be seen if these issues remain in the final product. It seems that the ImageChip 2 has also been deleted from the M9, although the reasons for this are not clear".
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Looks good enough for me. Plus I need a change from Samsung.

camera has no ois! i don't find any information
edit: Marques Brownlee hands on > http://youtu.be/QXF3tUfvuLU?t=2m20s

Do you guys know if the "ufocus" effect isn't available anymore with the m9? Or is Still in there ??

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Do you guys know if the "ufocus" effect isn't available anymore with the m9? Or is Still in there ??
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It 'always there but must be set before shooting, you can not put after as with the M8

I will be interesting to see how the auto focus works compared to the M8 as there is no phase detection like its predecessor. Though the M8 was no slouch in this regard.

Make camera "warmer"?

Hello everyone, I have an S7E, and I've been using it for over a month. I love the device to bits... But I am having a problem. I don't like the temperature of the colors that it produces. I am coming from the G4, and the colors seem to be warmer. Is there a way to make pictures a bit warmer right off the bat? Maybe a filter or a custom setting? For example, if you have seen this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al9i0VnV0M4
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Even in my own test shots from the G4, G5 and S7E, I see that the colors are usually "brighter" or more "washed out." I know it's not my unit, since I have 2 S7E and I had another one before this for a total of 3.
Nothing is WRONG with the camera, or the pictures... I'd just like them to be a bit warmer... Is there any way to achieve this? Thank you

Use the Pro mode in the camera and set custom white balance. That's the best solution you can find. Or edit the pictures after you have taken them. Not perfect solutions but nothing else you can do about it really.

zkyevolved said:
Hello everyone, I have an S7E, and I've been using it for over a month. I love the device to bits... But I am having a problem. I don't like the temperature of the colors that it produces. I am coming from the G4, and the colors seem to be warmer. Is there a way to make pictures a bit warmer right off the bat? Maybe a filter or a custom setting? For example, if you have seen this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al9i0VnV0M4
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Even in my own test shots from the G4, G5 and S7E, I see that the colors are usually "brighter" or more "washed out." I know it's not my unit, since I have 2 S7E and I had another one before this for a total of 3.
Nothing is WRONG with the camera, or the pictures... I'd just like them to be a bit warmer... Is there any way to achieve this? Thank you
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Look at that screenshot...how do you actually see the scenery if you look at it with your own eyes ? Like the right, or the left image ?
The G4 pictures are not warmer, they just exhibit a "bad lens" effect, looking like they are shot from behind a glass window. Look at Canon for truly warmer tones.
PS: you can always adjust white balance in Pro mode.

Cst79 said:
Look at that screenshot...how do you actually see the scenery if you look at it with your own eyes ? Like the right, or the left image ?
The G4 pictures are not warmer, they just exhibit a "bad lens" effect, looking like they are shot from behind a glass window. Look at Canon for truly warmer tones.
PS: you can always adjust white balance in Pro mode.
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Right is more true to life. I have a G4, G5 and S7E. I love the S7E for everything except the camera colors. Images are always more true to life colors on the G5 and G4. My partner has an S7E as well and always says that he prefers the colors not so true to life, but I do. That is the only flaw I can find in the S7E. So I was wondering if there was a way to fix it. White balance can be changed for every shot. But I'd have to adjust for EVERY shot. That's not very convenient. I really enjoy using mobile cameras since they're always on me.
Anyways, thanks. I just thought there would be an easier way.
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zkyevolved said:
Right is more true to life. I have a G4, G5 and S7E. I love the S7E for everything except the camera colors. Images are always more true to life colors on the G5 and G4. My partner has an S7E as well and always says that he prefers the colors not so true to life, but I do. That is the only flaw I can find in the S7E. So I was wondering if there was a way to fix it. White balance can be changed for every shot. But I'd have to adjust for EVERY shot. That's not very convenient. I really enjoy using mobile cameras since they're always on me.
Anyways, thanks. I just thought there would be an easier way.
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The right picture is actually an example of horrible dynamic range, maybe like 8 stops.
I have vast experience with cameras, including many DSLRs, and the S7/Edge is the first smartphone camera that does not exhibit the "small/bad lens" and low dynamic range effect, pictures actually look like what you see, instead of looking dark and with low dynamic range. What you see in the G4 pictures is actually low dynamic range of the sensor, combined with a poor lens. The resolved detail may be high, but you always know that the pictures are taken with a smartphone. The S7/Edge pictures actually look a lot like DSLR pictures (especially Nikon) color-wise, you don't immediately know that they are taken with a smartphone. Find some Nikon DSLR samples and compare the colors.

Cst79 said:
The right picture is actually an example of horrible dynamic range, maybe like 8 stops.
I have vast experience with cameras, including many DSLRs, and the S7/Edge is the first smartphone camera that does not exhibit the "small/bad lens" and low dynamic range effect, pictures actually look like what you see, instead of looking dark and with low dynamic range. What you see in the G4 pictures is actually low dynamic range of the sensor, combined with a poor lens. The resolved detail may be high, but you always know that the pictures are taken with a smartphone. The S7/Edge pictures actually look a lot like DSLR pictures (especially Nikon) color-wise, you don't immediately know that they are taken with a smartphone. Find some Nikon DSLR samples and compare the colors.
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I guess personally I couldn't disagree with you more.
I can personally guarantee that this color of the sky on the S7E is not the correct blue. I was there personally and shot these two pictures in auto mode. Both the wall and sky are far too bright and those are not the actual colors of the sky and monument.
But this is to taste. There are other shots where the clouds were completely eradicated by the Samsung and were there with the LG. And there were of course plenty of shots where the LG over exposed and the Samsung did it spot on! I'm not complaining about the shots. All I'm saying is that the LG is more accurate to real life colors in well lit situations, which is what I'd like to get on my Samsung. From what I've come to learn is that the LG has a color spectrometer or something like that which really makes a difference in some shots.
Going to back to what you said, the colors are lighter on my Samsung devices (3 S7E in my house) than on the LG devices (2 retires G4 s and 1 returned G5 and a new one on the way). Nothing wrong with it, it's just not my favorite color representation... [emoji4] I love my S7E regardless!
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