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where is Knox on S5 ? there is no icon or application
Zenk_77 said:
where is Knox on S5 ? there is no icon or application
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I haven't been able to get it running. There's a setup wizard in /system/apps/ but it doesn't seem to do anything other than reinstall what's already there. Inside the .apk are a couple of link setup apps. When I ran them, Lookout was triggered. No joy, so far.
Zenk_77 said:
where is Knox on S5 ? there is no icon or application
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It's not like on Note III. Here it is called "privacy mode", and it's triggered with "Settings...privacy mode". It's good to set fingerprints prior first use.
Working quite different, but I like this way.
Privacy mode is not working if You choose Art instead of Dalvik.
Sorry for my english...
is not the same.
KNOX is for business, secure mail, more business applications, etc.
Bump, does anyone know where is knox? I've been using s5 only a few days (s2 before that)... so I'm pretty new to this knox thing, but so far that I've been reading and researching... private mode isn't knox since all private mode does is hide your content... knox is suppose to make a new "layer" basicly a new phone much like dual-boot... or am I mistaken? if I'm not mistaken, then where is knox? I just booted to download mode and there is atleast knox counter... but I cant find the app anywhere...
EDIT: just went to samsung page, and samsung galaxy s5 isn't listed as supported for knox... then why is there knox counter? is it going to support it in future? if so does this mean that if I flash now the counter will not be tripped?
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Bump, does anyone know where is knox? I've been using s5 only a few days (s2 before that)... so I'm pretty new to this knox thing, but so far that I've been reading and researching... private mode isn't knox since all private mode does is hide your content... knox is suppose to make a new "layer" basicly a new phone much like dual-boot... or am I mistaken? if I'm not mistaken, then where is knox? I just booted to download mode and there is atleast knox counter... but I cant find the app anywhere...
EDIT: just went to samsung page, and samsung galaxy s5 isn't listed as supported for knox... then why is there knox counter? is it going to support it in future? if so does this mean that if I flash now the counter will not be tripped?
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depends on your carrier
ATT disabled Knox for their phones, check with yours. I hear you can side-load it and it still works but haven't tried. google it.
colonels said:
depends on your carrier
ATT disabled Knox for their phones, check with yours. I hear you can side-load it and it still works but haven't tried. google it.
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I will confirm with my carrier tomorrow (I doubt it's them, living in a country where there isn't much restrictions in term of technology), but can anyone confirm that the sm-g900f variant do have knox? (I'm on the latest stock rom)
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I have been searching for this answer for sometime.
Not sure where else I can look for, but I really want to know what happen (besides warranty issue) after knox trigger.
Is there anything that will happen to the phone beside the 0x0 and 0x1?
Can I still use VPN?
Can I still encrypt my sdcard and internal storage?
Basically, I need to know what is the difference between a triggered Note 3 and a non triggered Note 3.
Sorry if there is another post on this out there cause I really can't find it.
Thank you all in advance.
siregorash said:
I have been searching for this answer for sometime.
Not sure where else I can look for, but I really want to know what happen (besides warranty issue) after knox trigger.
Is there anything that will happen to the phone beside the 0x0 and 0x1?
Can I still use VPN?
Can I still encrypt my sdcard and internal storage?
Basically, I need to know what is the difference between a triggered Note 3 and a non triggered Note 3.
Sorry if there is another post on this out there cause I really can't find it.
Thank you all in advance.
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im not an expert but as far as i know you wont get ota updates or be able to use knox
i recently trigged knox and truth be told ... im having way too much fun with my note 3 n9005 and its getting way better ....
u can do more things if u installed a custom recovery and a kernel ... just read more threads about note 3 kernels and what they can do
note : flashing custom recovery or kernel will trip knox
3azmeo said:
im not an expert but as far as i know you wont get ota updates or be able to use knox
i recently trigged knox and truth be told ... im having way too much fun with my note 3 n9005 and its getting way better ....
u can do more things if u installed a custom recovery and a kernel ... just read more threads about note 3 kernels and what they can do
note : flashing custom recovery or kernel will trip knox
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I still own a S2 and I used to heavily mod it. I understand the feeling of rooting and not able to root.
I just want to know what is the difference between triggered and non triggered Note 3.
I am not sure why everyone is so worried about the warranty and how to fix the triggered flag.
I actually don't give a beep about the warranty and how to fix the flag.
As long as it doesn't affect the STOCK ANDROID functions (eg. VPN, sdcard encryption, internal storage encryption), I will be pretty fine with it.
The problem is, I am not able to find detailed explanation on what will happen to the phone after knox triggered.
Only affect is that you won't be able to use knox container anymore. Knox is a seperate enviroment to run your knox enabled apps. You still be able to get F/OTA updates and it DOES NOT void your device warranty.
NOTHING!! Despite Samdungs insistence that your warranty is void, your phone will be liberated!!
To me, this is a **** up by Samdung by alienating a large number of customers who, like myself, will NOT be buying another samsung after being a loyal customer for years!!
All manufacturers seem to be throwing some kind of spanner in the works for us who enjoy using our phones to their full potential.
Thank you guys so much for explaining.
Hello community,
I have a Canadian Galaxy S5(SMG900W8 - kltecan) with Rogers, currently running Lolipop 5.0 with the LRX21T.G900W8VLU1BOC1 build. I have it since 8 months and I'm beginning to be really tired of Samsung's bloated OS, sometimes it gets sooo slow and the phone becomes so hot. I know how to keep good care of my system and did many clean restores but it still gets slow after some weeks.
I want to install Cyanogenmod or something similar to completely get rid of the stock ROM, I know doing that will trigger the KNOX flag and I know it voids the warranty but I'm at a point I dont care about it anymore, my question is. In what other way will a tripped KNOX affecr my phone? For example if I ever flash back the stock firmware, will I still be able to use the features such as "Private Mode" and the Fingerprint scanner? Because those are some features I really like and care about. And also if I ever resell it, I want every stock feature to be functional...
What do you guys know by experience?
Ive read many KNOX threads before posting this one, it answers some stuff but not my exact question.
Thanks in advance!
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Tripping KNOX = void warranty in some places
Other than that, fingerprint and private mode still work fine on my S5 with KNOX 0x1 tripped
Not noticed anything not working
*Detection* said:
Tripping KNOX = void warranty in some places
Other than that, fingerprint and private mode still work fine on my S5 with KNOX 0x1 tripped
Not noticed anything not working
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Are you sure? Because I tought the whole KNOX software side in the phone was related to all the advanced security features like encryption, fingerprint, private mode etc... Isn't the private mode in the KNOX container?
danfolea said:
Are you sure? Because I tought the whole KNOX software side in the phone was related to all the advanced security features like encryption, fingerprint, private mode etc... Isn't the private mode in the KNOX container?
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Am I sure? I just told you it works fine on my S5, yea pretty sure lol
Tripping KNOX just switches the KNOX notification from 0x0 to 0x1 so Samsung can see it's been modified an don't have to honour warranty
I've heard it breaks domain/business related stuff, but I don't use my S5 in a business environment so can't comment on that, but for myself, everything still works exactly like it did with 0x0
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Am I sure? I just told you it works fine on my S5, yea pretty sure lol
Tripping KNOX just switches the KNOX notification from 0x0 to 0x1 so Samsung can see it's been modified an don't have to honour warranty
I've heard it breaks domain/business related stuff, but I don't use my S5 in a business environment so can't comment on that, but for myself, everything still works exactly like it did with 0x0
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Allright, thank you. I am not interrested by the buisness environement for my phone too so it isnt a problem.
Anyway to root G935FD(Exynos) without tripping knox?
Cant wait to root my phone , but still worry about the screen replacement in the future
Do you guys have any idea?
No probably wont ever happen.
mindstorms54 said:
Anyway to root G935FD(Exynos) without tripping knox?
Cant wait to root my phone , but still worry about the screen replacement in the future
Do you guys have any idea?
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Root without tripping knox is possible if a Engineering Bootloader surfaces.
But I'm not sure whether even it can retain the 0x0 for a longer time.
No the system scans for any abnormalities in the system and if it senses any changes boom knox tripped
It's extremely unlikely we will get root without tripping knox and like @Ausboy 2011 said, the system will trip knox if it detects any system modifications. Something as simnple as installing a root app could trip knox in this case.
They released an engineering bootloader for the galaxy S6 Edge. So it IS possible. We just need to wait for that time to come. With the engineering bootloader you can modify anything on the system without tripping knox. You just need to flash EVERYTHING back to stock at the same time if you chose to remove said bootloader. Also, I know in the beginning phases of use of this engineering bootloader they lost use of their fingerprint reader. So there's always that possibility too. But we'll just have to see if/when that time comes.
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They released an engineering bootloader for the galaxy S6 Edge. So it IS possible. We just need to wait for that time to come. With the engineering bootloader you can modify anything on the system without tripping knox. You just need to flash EVERYTHING back to stock at the same time if you chose to remove said bootloader. Also, I know in the beginning phases of use of this engineering bootloader they lost use of their fingerprint reader. So there's always that possibility too. But we'll just have to see if/when that time comes.
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Looking forward to the day
Is Samsung pay rendered useless if you root then?
psufan5 said:
Is Samsung pay rendered useless if you root then?
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If you trip knox then yes.
peachpuff said:
If you trip knox then yes.
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And you can't "untrip" knox by going back to stock I assume?
Yes
Envoyé de mon SM-G935F en utilisant Tapatalk
thing is we have the engineer bootloader for the s7 edge already. just noone has it working yet
mindstorms54 said:
Anyway to root G935FD(Exynos) without tripping knox?
Cant wait to root my phone , but still worry about the screen replacement in the future
Do you guys have any idea?
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what happens if knox is tripped? Can't i use mobile payment or anything?
tazoman said:
what happens if knox is tripped? Can't i use mobile payment or anything?
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No,if Knox is tripped Samsung Pay will not work
tazoman said:
what happens if knox is tripped? Can't i use mobile payment or anything?
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Btw
Your warranty will be void
mindstorms54 said:
Btw
Your warranty will be void
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This actually varies depending on your location. For instance, in Europe, tripping knox will NOT void warranty. It is against EU law to refuse a hardware repair just because the software has been modified.
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This actually varies depending on your location. For instance, in Europe, tripping knox will NOT void warranty. It is against EU law to refuse a hardware repair just because the software has been modified.
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That's true, but most places don't care, as they just send it to Samsung and they deny warranty repair because of tripped knox. You can of course get the repair if you take the fight up.. But really, who want to? I sued the place where I bought my S6, because they would not repair a KNOWN HARDWARE failure on the S6 (pink dots on front camera) after I had rooted my phone. They sent it to Samsung and they denied. By law they should pay the repair then.
I was told I was right by Danish Customer Service, but they needed my phone for like 7-8 months and I did not have my S7 Edge there, so I would be without a phone, so I called it.. For really, what could I win? I knew I would upgrade when the S7 came out anyway.
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That's true, but most places don't care, as they just send it to Samsung and they deny warranty repair because of tripped knox. You can of course get the repair if you take the fight up.. But really, who want to? I sued the place where I bought my S6, because they would not repair a KNOWN HARDWARE failure on the S6 (pink dots on front camera) after I had rooted my phone. They sent it to Samsung and they denied. By law they should pay the repair then.
I was told I was right by Danish Customer Service, but they needed my phone for like 7-8 months and I did not have my S7 Edge there, so I would be without a phone, so I called it.. For really, what could I win? I knew I would upgrade when the S7 came out anyway.
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Here in the UK, Samsung will repair even if Knox is tripped. I have had a few repairs over the years and have always had tripped Knox. Some other UK users on here have confirmed the same.
Well that's nice. Sure they're are aware Knox was tripped? Because I was an idiot back then, I sent my phone in with a custom ROM, så they could not enter the binary, which was the reason they saw Knox was tripped.. When I said I would flash stock firmware, they said that was not possible without replacing something inside (the motherboard I think).
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Well that's nice. Sure they're are aware Knox was tripped? Because I was an idiot back then, I sent my phone in with a custom ROM, så they could not enter the binary, which was the reason they saw Knox was tripped.. When I said I would flash stock firmware, they said that was not possible without replacing something inside (the motherboard I think).
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A Samsung rep in one of the repair stores told me that it doesn't matter if it has a tripped Knox as long as we put the stock firmware on the phone and it is NOT rooted. If it's rooted they will refuse.
However, I have known people to get the repair even when rooted.
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Hi just got my s8 plus and I'm just wondering I want to root and been searching around about what tripping knox brakes but keep getting mixed views
I will be rooting and flashing a custom Rom and kernel would someone be kind enough to list every app that get broken and is not fixed even by a custom Rom or kernel (like iris scanner,s Health, ect)
As I really want to root but don't want to damage too many apps in the process
Many thanks also my model is the SM-G955F
brockyneo said:
Hi just got my s8 plus and I'm just wondering I want to root and been searching around about what tripping knox brakes but keep getting mixed views
I will be rooting and flashing a custom Rom and kernel would someone be kind enough to list every app that get broken and is not fixed even by a custom Rom or kernel (like iris scanner,s Health, ect)
As I really want to root but don't want to damage too many apps in the process
Many thanks also my model is the SM-G955F
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Samsung pay - permanently broken
Secure folder - permanently broken
That's it really
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Samsung pay - permanently broken
Secure folder - permanently broken
That's it really
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Cant they work with faked 0x0 knox kernel ?
Well if that's it then I'll go ahead and root as I don't use them 2 apps anyways
Thanks
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Cant they work with faked 0x0 knox kernel ?
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No unfortunately not, Knox is a fuse on the motherboard. Once tripped it burns. So far only way to get Knox back would be to change the motherboard
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No unfortunately not, Knox is a fuse on the motherboard. Once tripped it burns. So far only way to get Knox back would be to change the motherboard
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Yes but the apps and system dont read the statuts directly from the bootloader but from the kernel, this is why there is a kernel that has faked 0x0 knox, but the fuse is still blown yes.
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Yes but the apps and system dont read the statuts directly from the bootloader but from the kernel, this is why there is a kernel that has faked 0x0 knox, but the fuse is still blown yes.
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You can use terminal to change Knox to 0x0 but still. S health will work and some apps, but not secure folder or Samsung pay
so, knox tripped and rooted on stock unmodified rom :
safety net fail : (no apps like samsung pay, Pokemon go, Mario run, snapchat login ,etc)
no system updates
samsung apps won't work : samsung pass, samsung pay, Shealth, secure folder, issue with private mode on samsung internet,
if you use a custom rom most of stuff CAN be fixed like
safety net pass with magisk hide (root)
s health work
private mode on internet
BUT some are permanent and can't be fixed even with custom rom so once rooted , no way back except buy new phone
samsung pass, samsung pay, secure folder
Remember that once you are rooted and knox counter is tripped (0x1), its irreversible and can't be "unrooted" or be official and reset knox counter even by flashing stock firmware though odin because since galaxy s7 the knox counter is not software related but its hardware. its an electronic fuse and if you root or install custom recovery etc the electronic fuse will broke and broken fuse mean tripped knox counter. this is because even flashing stock firmware is useless, as most of Samsung apps knox related don't only check root but also the knox counter, so unroot won't help. so think twice before rooting your device
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You can use terminal to change Knox to 0x0 but still. S health will work and some apps, but not secure folder or Samsung pay
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Didn't know that, what's the command to do so ? I couldn't find anything on google
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Didn't know that, what's the command to do so ? I couldn't find anything on google
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resetprop -v ro.config.tima 0
Type that in terminal. It will make Knox show 0x0 on device ONLY. Download mode will still show as 0x1.
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Didn't know that, what's the command to do so ? I couldn't find anything on google
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its useless, Samsung knox apps dont check if they see 0x0 but it just put some electricity though the knox fuse and if it get though it its ok but if the electricity dont success to get through the fuse it mean its broken so I mean knox is 0x1 and rooted.
fake knox counter is useless as every knox eligibility checks are hardware and not software. fake 0x0 is only for you ^^to reset the counter only way is the replace the motherboard, even Samsung can't reset it
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its useless, Samsung knox apps dont check if they see 0x0 but it just put some electricity though the knox fuse and if it get though it its ok but if the electricity dont success to get through the fuse it mean its broken so I mean knox is 0x1 and rooted.
fake knox counter is useless as every knox eligibility checks are hardware and not software. fake 0x0 is only for you ^^to reset the counter only way is the replace the motherboard, even Samsung can't reset it
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There has to be some hardware abstraction layer, you can't just test the fuse each time, that would mean that the apps have really low level rights/api to do so wich is risky. The bootloader tests the fuse and writes the value to the kernel, wich can be faked to make some apps work.
If the value is checked by apps then there is a software value other than the hardware status.
But dont quote me on that.
For apps that dont work i think there is some selinux policies issues or root gets detected.
Why would devs include the fake 0x0 counter if it was useless ?
darn making me think twice about rooting now i mainly want it for debloating,apps ad blocking,viper4android,and a few mods like stereo speaker and camera mod
also the youtube mod which allows us to stream 4k (i know we only have 2k display) but i still like to stream in 4k
brockyneo said:
darn making me think twice about rooting now i mainly want it for debloating,apps ad blocking,viper4android,and a few mods like stereo speaker and camera mod
also the youtube mod which allows us to stream 4k (i know we only have 2k display) but i still like to stream in 4k
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I have rooted for the exact reasons you stated above. Wouldn't go back even if I could. Using the terminal code I posted allows you to use some apps that rely on 0x0. Samsung health is one of them as I use it every day.
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I have rooted for the exact reasons you stated above. Wouldn't go back even if I could. Using the terminal code I posted allows you to use some apps that rely on 0x0. Samsung health is one of them as I use it every day.
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to be honest ive rooted every device ive had dating back to the htc hd2 lol
that's why i sent the xperia xz premium back was due to locked bootloader which looks near impossible to root
ill properly root i just didn't want to destroy any apps which made any hardware not work properly but if everything works (apart from samsung pay and secure folder) which i don't use both then should be worth the trip lol :silly:
brockyneo said:
to be honest ive rooted every device ive had dating back to the htc hd2 lol
that's why i sent the xperia xz premium back was due to locked bootloader which looks near impossible to root
ill properly root i just didn't want to destroy any apps which made any hardware not work properly but if everything works (apart from samsung pay and secure folder) which i don't use both then should be worth the trip lol :silly:
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And also I can confirm Samsung pass doesn't work also. However I never use it so that doesn't bother me. To be honest I would root just for viper4android. And I use android pay instead of Samsung pay which also works perfect
Still haven't rooted yet darn cart make my mind up I've rooted every phone I've had and it's the first thing I normally do :silly:
Does anyone think there will be more knox apps coming out which if knox is tripped we will be missing out on
Or what if Samsung make a few more apps go through knox like s health or iris scanner then we would be stuck then lol
I don't know miss the good old days where you could just go back to stock no worrys
brockyneo said:
Still haven't rooted yet darn cart make my mind up I've rooted every phone I've had and it's the first thing I normally do :silly:
Does anyone think there will be more knox apps coming out which if knox is tripped we will be missing out on
Or what if Samsung make a few more apps go through knox like s health or iris scanner then we would be stuck then lol
I don't know miss the good old days where you could just go back to stock no worrys
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I don't think they will release anything else knox related. At least not for the s8 anyway
S health and iris scanner work perfect now after root, they won't implement them into knox status don't worry.
callumbr1 said:
I don't think they will release anything else knox related. At least not for the s8 anyway
S health and iris scanner work perfect now after root, they won't implement them into knox status don't worry.
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Thanks I'm going to have to root I miss it too much I've given it 3 weeks and I've never used secure folder or Samsung pass so I won't miss them and Samsung pay although i haven't used I will miss lol
Isn't android pay ment to be better anyway?
Thanks again
brockyneo said:
Thanks I'm going to have to root I miss it too much I've given it 3 weeks and I've never used secure folder or Samsung pass so I won't miss them and Samsung pay although i haven't used I will miss lol
Isn't android pay ment to be better anyway?
Thanks again
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I had to root for viper4android amd I'm not running renovate ROM and it so much better than stock.
In my opinion android pay is better and it's supported in many places. But that's my opinion.
If you root I recommend rooting with magisk. So you can use magisk hide and modules. Good luck and post here if you need any help :good: