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Hey guys,
I've read lots of articles about Knox and the whole eFuse thing but the more I read the more unsure I get about rooting my S4 mini. Because of this and because I think you don't get any S4s without "activated" Knox Bootloader anymore I thought it would be helpful for all S4 mini owners (and maybe all Knox device owners in general) to list all downsides and also rumors about "blowing the eFuse" to hopefully take away some of the fears.
I think it's already clear that you could loose your warranty if you got a 0x1 flag. Which doesn't seem to affect EU people But anyway, I'd rather like to get a list of all the irreversible consequences with your device itself when rooting etc:
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The answers in green = positive or red = negative show the current state according to the replies in here, If you have other experiences please let us know.
[ROOTING tripping KNOX 0x1]
Are there any irreversible malfunctions when rooting your device (especially the GT-I9195) and turning to "knox warranty void 0x1"?
Are all (pre-installed) apps - except the Knox apps - still working as they should on rooted stock roms (s-apps, cam, calendar,..)?
[GOING BACK TO DEFAULT FACTORY STATUS]
Regarding the software only:
can you go back to 100% factory status (unrooted, stock etc) with a "Knox Warranty Void 0x1?
- Yes, according to iPAQS4 you can go back with no malfunctions
Do you get the Knox warnings again?
No, according to iPAQS4
Are there any other app or system malfunctions?
- No
Is it true that OTA updates won't work anymore once you tripped your knox flag?
- No, according to iPAQS4 they still work
Is it possible to get official updates via Kies / USB cable still?
- Yes, according to iPAQS4
[FAILURES ROOTING, KNOX]
Regarding the Knox environment only, not self-caused rooting failures:
can there else go anything wrong that can't be undone like breaking important hardware?
or is there a higher chance to brick your device with Knox than without?
is an intact eFuse required by some other hardware (NFC, etc)?
Are there any other known problems/downsides?
Here is an interesting article about all myths & truths about Knox. It's very informative and also answers a few of my questions: http://androidforums.com/boost-mobi...t/807188-guide-q-myths-truths-about-knox.html
Honky-Tonk said:
Hey guys,
I've read lots of articles about Knox and the whole eFuse thing but the more I read the more unsure I get about rooting my S4 mini. Because of this and because I think you don't get any S4s without "activated" Knox Bootloader anymore I thought it would be helpful for all S4 mini owners (and maybe all Knox device owners in general) to list all downsides and also rumors about "blowing the eFuse" to hopefully take away some of the fears.
I think it's already clear that you can loose your warranty if you got a 0x1 flag. But I'd rather like to get a list of all the irreversivble consequences with your device itself when rooting etc:
Can you go back to stock Rom (un-rooted) with a "Knox Warranty Void 0x1"? And with which problems do you have to deal (software warnings, malfunctions...)?
Can you still get official Samsung updates via Kies or over unofficial channels?
Are there any known hardware or software malfunctions because of the broken eFuse?
Are there any other known problems/downsides?
@ all_experienced_owners: would you still recommend rooting a Knox device or breaking the eFuse?
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If you flash stock ROM (XXUBML1 for example) via Odin, the System Status will turn back to Official but of course the Knox flag remains 0x1.
Kies will also recognize your phone.
I don't know whether Kies/OTA updates will work, I never used/saw them.
If you don't care about warranty I recommend rooting
ladislav.heller said:
If you flash stock ROM (XXUBML1 for example) via Odin, the System Status will turn back to Official but of course the Knox flag remains 0x1.
Kies will also recognize your phone.
I don't know whether Kies/OTA updates will work, I never used/saw them.
If you don't care about warranty I recommend rooting
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According to other posts OTA updates won't work anymore, unfortunately. Does anyone else know if updates via Kies/ USB cable will still work?
Have there been any Knox warnings when going back to stock again? It always says to disable all Knox apps once you have rooted your phone but back on un-rooted stock this is not possible, I guess?! So I think you will get these warnings again, don't you?
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Honky-Tonk said:
According to other posts OTA updates won't work anymore, unfortunately. Does anyone else know if updates via Kies/ USB cable will still work?
Have there been any Knox warnings when going back to stock again? It always says to disable all Knox apps once you have rooted your phone but back on un-rooted stock this is not possible, I guess?! So I think you will get these warnings again, don't you?
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Updates via Kies/ USB cable will still work.
Going back to stock is posible whitout extra knox warnings. Knox will behave as before.
iPAQS4 said:
Updates via Kies/ USB cable will still work.
Going back to stock is posible whitout extra knox warnings. Knox will behave as before.
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Sounds great, so you can always go back to original phone status (except your Bootloader and the OTA updates)? Just to make sure: you tripped Knox warranty void to 0x1, right?
What about rooted status (stock rom), did you notice any malfunctions with any apps, especially the s-apps?
Which rooting method did you use?
Thx
Honky-Tonk said:
I think it's already clear that you can loose your warranty if you got a 0x1 flag. But I'd rather like to get a list of all the irreversivble consequences with your device itself when rooting etc:
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Not if you're in the EU. Under legislation, companies aren't allowed to void a warranty because of a software change etc (eg if a piece of hardware fails, they can't turn around and say you rooted your phone so you're not covered).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801
You can use this method to root with out trip the Knox flag: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2565758
I've tried it on mine i9190 without any issue.
Honky-Tonk said:
Sounds great, so you can always go back to original phone status (except your Bootloader and the OTA updates)? Just to make sure: you tripped Knox warranty void to 0x1, right?
What about rooted status (stock rom), did you notice any malfunctions with any apps, especially the s-apps?
Which rooting method did you use?
Thx
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When you go back to original phone status OTA updates will olso work and there are no malfunctions with any apps.
iPAQS4 said:
When you go back to original phone status OTA updates will olso work and there are no malfunctions with any apps.
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really ??
i updated once via kies to the latest firmware and my gt-i9195 was useless, could not turn on wifi and it was lagging a lot and etc...
so i needed to flash it back to my previus firmware version...
nibb-1 said:
really ??
i updated once via kies to the latest firmware and my gt-i9195 was useless, could not turn on wifi and it was lagging a lot and etc...
so i needed to flash it back to my previus firmware version...
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I unrooted my phone by flashing it with the original firmware with odin and than wipe data/ factory reset in recovery mode.
After that my phone had a ota from MJ7 to ML4.
If you recently bought the phone, I don't recommend rooting (although I rooted the phone the same day I bought it) If you really don't care about the warranty and the OTA updates, root your phone. I literally can do nothing without root.
As we heard today, our S4 Mini will update to 4.4.2 so I don't recommend rooting until it is out so you cqn get the OTA update.
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Sky91 said:
Not if you're in the EU. Under legislation, companies aren't allowed to void a warranty because of a software change etc (eg if a piece of hardware fails, they can't turn around and say you rooted your phone so you're not covered).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801
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Good to know, thank's a lot
Sky91 said:
Not if you're in the EU. Under legislation, companies aren't allowed to void a warranty because of a software change etc (eg if a piece of hardware fails, they can't turn around and say you rooted your phone so you're not covered).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801
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Thx, yes that makes sense. I've also read a few articles about the warranty facts and always wondered why sellers can refuse warranty just because of the "wrong" software. I mean I never heard of anything like that with personal computers, notebooks etc. Would be very interesting, though if a mainboard manufacturer doesn't give warranty and claims that Windows, OSX, Linux etc destroyed it because you used it as an Admin . So actually I think, this regulation should apply world wide not only in the EU.
But we should keep in mind that warranty is not the same as guaranty which is probably really gone with a void 0x1 flag?! However it's great (at least for European people) to have a last hope in mind!
But the reason I wanted to list all downsides is to make sure that you can also root Knox system without any hesitation - to keep the fun for rooting so to say
iPAQS4 said:
I unrooted my phone by flashing it with the original firmware with odin and than wipe data/ factory reset in recovery mode.
After that my phone had a ota from MJ7 to ML4.
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I just found this article about all myths & truths about Knox http://androidforums.com/boost-mobi...t/807188-guide-q-myths-truths-about-knox.html
It's very informative but I'm now confused again because the Article says that you can't use Knox apps anymore, once you tripped the flag:
"[...]If the KNOX warranty void line says 0x1 then you cannot use KNOX software as your device has been flagged as insecure.[...]"
Does this only concern additional Knox Apps not the default ones which produce the warning messages? Or are the Knox Apps just no installed anymore when going back on a 0x1 device or kind of deactivated by default? Could you check that?
RoyaLKurTx3 said:
If you recently bought the phone, I don't recommend rooting (although I rooted the phone the same day I bought it) If you really don't care about the warranty and the OTA updates, root your phone. I literally can do nothing without root.
As we heard today, our S4 Mini will update to 4.4.2 so I don't recommend rooting until it is out so you cqn get the OTA update.
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Thx, I personally don't care about warranty. So this was really rather meant to only treat the functional downsides if there are any at all. I wanted to make sure to not have a trash phone with lots of battery drain or even worse: some irreversible hardware malfunctions after rooting. I'm also looking forward to KitKat but I doubt that the update will remove Knox again since even the army is already working together with Samsung now!
But according to iPAQS4 you can't do so much wrong with rooting (regarding the Knox environment of course)?!
Honky-Tonk said:
Thx, yes that makes sense. I've also read a few articles about the warranty facts and always wondered why sellers can refuse warranty just because of the "wrong" software. I mean I never heard of anything like that with personal computers, notebooks etc. Would be very interesting, though if a mainboard manufacturer doesn't give warranty and claims that Windows, OSX, Linux etc destroyed it because you used it as an Admin . So actually I think, this regulation should apply world wide not only in the EU.
But we should keep in mind that warranty is not the same as guaranty which is probably really gone with a void 0x1 flag?! However it's great (at least for European people) to have a last hope in mind!
But the reason I wanted to list all downsides is to make sure that you can also root Knox system without any hesitation - to keep the fun for rooting so to say
I just found this article about all myths & truths about Knox http://androidforums.com/boost-mobi...t/807188-guide-q-myths-truths-about-knox.html
It's very informative but I'm now confused again because the Article says that you can't use Knox apps anymore, once you tripped the flag:
"[...]If the KNOX warranty void line says 0x1 then you cannot use KNOX software as your device has been flagged as insecure.[...]"
Does this only concern additional Knox Apps not the default ones which produce the warning messages? Or are the Knox Apps just no installed anymore when going back on a 0x1 device or kind of deactivated by default? Could you check that?
Thx, I personally don't care about warranty. So this was really rather meant to only treat the functional downsides if there are any at all. I wanted to make sure to not have a trash phone with lots of battery drain or even worse: some irreversible hardware malfunctions after rooting. I'm also looking forward to KitKat but I doubt that the update will remove Knox again since even the army is already working together with Samsung now!
But according to iPAQS4 you can't do so much wrong with rooting (regarding the Knox environment of course)?!
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I will flash a new ROM and I'll see if the KNOX stays like it was. But I'll do that later today or tomorrow.
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Honky-Tonk said:
I just found this article about all myths & truths about Knox
It's very informative but I'm now confused again because the Article says that you can't use Knox apps anymore, once you tripped the flag:
"[...]If the KNOX warranty void line says 0x1 then you cannot use KNOX software as your device has been flagged as insecure.[...]"
Does this only concern additional Knox Apps not the default ones which produce the warning messages? Or are the Knox Apps just no installed anymore when going back on a 0x1 device or kind of deactivated by default? Could you check that?
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According myths & truths about Knox
If the KNOX warranty void line says 0x1 then you cannot use KNOX software as your device has been flagged as insecure. By this I mean that if your workplace / company supports bring your own device to work for corporate emails etc and they use KNOX to keep security your device will not allow this. You are still able to use future Samsung firmware releases with the KNOX flag 0x1.
Confirmed. If you flash a new ROM TWICE, your KNOX counter will get 0x0. It will look like it is new.
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RoyaLKurTx3 said:
Confirmed. If you flash a new ROM TWICE, your KNOX counter will get 0x0. It will look like it is new.
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Is your phone knox previously tripped 0x1 and when you flash new rom twice become 0x0 ? thanks
rnbeez said:
Is your phone knox previously tripped 0x1 and when you flash new rom twice become 0x0 ? thanks
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Yep.
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Yep.
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wiered it needs more researching .. mate knox flag is nearly impossible to reset and you are sayin flashing a stock rom twice fixes it !!
Hello all,
I searched the forums round and round, and couldn't find my answers so I hope you will be able to help me out.
i'm looking for a new phone and decided I want to go with the S5. that was before i learned about KNOX and it's wonderful ways.
i'm a heavy modder, who will most definitely use a custom recovery and ROM/kernel.
my questions are:
1. would it be possible to flash a custom recovery / rom / kernel / modem despite KNOX being preset?
2. other then getting this 0x1 and voiding my official warranty, are there any other result to this? will something not work?
3. assuming I get an unlocked international phone, is there any need to mess/change my FW? or is that just part of guides for rooting without tripping KNOX ?
Basically, I want to be sure that I could do whatever I want to the phone without getting stuck or turning it unusable because of KNOX. my current phone is a Nexus 4 and it has been heaven. I want to preserve this feeling
thanks for the help guys, appreciate it!
Did you tried Towelroot method for rooting your device? I heard that doesn't trigger knox..
I would imagine my rooting the phone is the least of my worries.
as far as I know - and this is one of my questions - flashing a custom recovery and or rom will 100% trip KNOX.
not that I care, I just need to know if this is true..and my other questions as well
thanks!
A brief answer
If you - as you say "i'm a heavy modder" Samsung phones are not for you
I've heard tales of people having issues flashing modems when knox is triggered. I have not checked that out for myself Joe have I searched any further into the matter.
I plan on breaking knox soon though because screw knox.
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chainbr3ak said:
A brief answer
If you - as you say "i'm a heavy modder" Samsung phones are not for you
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This answer really worries me to be honest.
could you elaborate?
I don't really care about KNOX, and as long as I can mod away and jump back and forth between modems/roms/kernels - I don't care for the warranty.
If indeed there is truth in the matter, and modem flashing will become a problem if KNOX is tripped, then this would be a deal breaker for me on this phone.
anyone care to add more info here?
Amornik said:
This answer really worries me to be honest.
could you elaborate?
I don't really care about KNOX, and as long as I can mod away and jump back and forth between modems/roms/kernels - I don't care for the warranty.
If indeed there is truth in the matter, and modem flashing will become a problem if KNOX is tripped, then this would be a deal breaker for me on this phone.
anyone care to add more info here?
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You can, but you will always have problems like network, connection,calls, bugs and so on
Samsung devices do not provide the old pleasure as previously
Knox killed freedom of developers and people who like customizations
I would really appreciate an answer from someone who knows for sure.
does tripping KNOX disables the option to upgrade/downgrade the modem?
Amornik said:
I would really appreciate an answer from someone who knows for sure.
does tripping KNOX disables the option to upgrade/downgrade the modem?
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No, KNOX tripping is only at the moment a warranty void solution for samsung. its like the flash count flags.
basically if you trip knox. you're already in it. you do what you want
Amornik said:
I would really appreciate an answer from someone who knows for sure.
does tripping KNOX disables the option to upgrade/downgrade the modem?
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I bought my phone with ANCE firmware and the KNOX was tripped in the first hour by CF-AutoRoot. Now I'm on ANG2, flashed with Odin and the modem is updated correctly.
Dark_Avenger said:
I bought my phone with ANCE firmware and the KNOX was tripped in the first hour by CF-AutoRoot. Now I'm on ANG2, flashed with Odin and the modem is updated correctly.
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Now i'm a bit confused when you say you upgrade the FW, you mean the modem baseband, right ?
Amornik said:
Now i'm a bit confused when you say you upgrade the FW, you mean the modem baseband, right ?
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Exactly, but with full stock image flush (including bootloader). The full stock tar.md5 form sammobile includes the modem/bootloader/rom. I think that the important thing is to have a modem which is compatible with the bootloader (same version). Didn't try to mix different bootloader/modem(baseband) versions.
Tripping KNOX will only disable the feature which allows you to store some data on a encrypted part of the device (Mostly comercial use) when KNOX is tripped any data stored on the 'special' partition is destroyed.
So there are only 2 things that will be affected, your warranty (Not a problem in Europe) and the special partition that I explained earlier.
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Thanks guys, excellent replies !
So...I did it !
I went and bought a brand new S5, and tripped KNOX within the hour. Man, did it feel sooo good !
custom recovery up, rom up, here we go!
Hi all,
I am stuck, I have google authenticator which I can not move from rooted note2 to the note4 (unrooted)
The only concern is voiding warranty, as with the note2 I could simply reflash an official samsung ROM.
My question is, should I wait a few weeks to see what the geniuses here can do? I saw another device was able to get rooted without tripping knox, is this plausible for this to occur on Note 4?
Thanks in advance
geohots root towelroot - This was a root for Note3 that doesnt trip Knox, I hope this dev is on a note 4...
Don't hold your breath waiting for an workaround.
An efuse gets tripped when rooting that sets off knox and its impossible to reverse.
I don't think the note 3 was dealing with an efuse.
I have to second this^
I think we will be waiting a long while. Maybe a BIG bounty for the Dev who cracks this will help but yes if E-fuse gets tripped then there is no going back so very curious what work-a-round will come... If any. I personally don't care if knox tripped.. Not always but often.. If phone under warranty and the hardware defect was NOT caused by rooring/tweaking.. Sammy will fix or replace anyways.. At least in GTA location.
For me, bottom line- I want FULL control of my phone and to have it setup and functioning the way I want so Root is a non question.. Warranty goes, then so be it. Sucks but is the way it is now.. Damn manufacturers
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In the meantime, I am trying to maintain a thread about non-root solutions. Check it out!
Hello,
I was wondering if the application "kingroot" is a good and trustable option to trust my device?
I also saw a site "oneclickroot.com" that looked intresting but after research I saw it's not trustable that they are out of your money.
Or what would you guys advice me?
It's not for intalling roms and so on. Just for other options that I want to root my device.
Greetings
CF-Auto-Root. It's the only way to go. And you can't without a PC.
ah owkey, and "kingroot" is unsafe then?
Oh and what about unrooting the device is that also possible with cf auto root?
And what about towelroot??
http://gs4.wonderhowto.com/how-to/root-any-samsung-galaxy-s4-one-click-0155622/
Avanox said:
And what about towelroot??
http://gs4.wonderhowto.com/how-to/root-any-samsung-galaxy-s4-one-click-0155622/
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Towelroot will simply not work on 5.0 (will reboot the phone after a while from clicking "make it ra1n" but no root access delivered)
For 4.4 you need GNF1 or older kernel for it to work - see HERE if you have newer version but still KK.
Ah ok and kingroot is also no option?
I m searching for the easyest way.
And is your way also possible to unroot?
The easiest way is CF-Autoroot, period. Flash it with the Odin software, let it deliver its payload, and you're done. If you want to unroot afterward, simply uninstall SuperSU.
Ah owkey so it's possible to unroot the device.
Will my warranty then not be rooted.
It's about galaxy s4
Some people talk about "trig Knox flag to 0x1?"
What is that???
Is it something with the warranty???
Because I don't want that my warranty is woided.
If I use your method and I must remove it with time the root.
Is this the application that I will need to reset the trig knox flag to 0x0 ???
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.triangleaway
Greetings
I believe it was @zelendel who brought this up on another thread, but he asks people what root is and why they need it. Since you're clearly new at this, I'm taking a page from his book.
1. What is root?
2. Why do you need root?
If you cannot answer both questions, you have no business nor need of rooting your S4. That said, there is an entire thread on Knox in the General forum that you should be reading if you want to know more. However, regardless of the methods used, if you root the Knox flag will be tripped. Once tripped, it stays tripped. There is no way to reset it, period.
Avanox said:
Ah owkey so it's possible to unroot the device.
Will my warranty then not be rooted.
It's about galaxy s4
Some people talk about "trig Knox flag to 0x1?"
What is that???
Is it something with the warranty???
Because I don't want that my warranty is woided.
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Knox is some kind of security crap from Samsung. You can find more about it in the s4 general section or by googling it.
Knox default status is 0x0.
Tripping knox to 0x1 will voind your warranty.
1. rooting the the device is to have acces to the root of the phone so you can do more with your phone.
2. I want to root it because I want to have following options enabled at my phone.
* Moving programs to my sd card (not possible anymore without rooting)
* More control over 3G/4G/Wifi/Gps (from my computer) when phone is lost
* Set a security code on the phone factory reset (with avast root edition)
* Using less battery to let greenpower auto disable the 3G or wifi and so on.
At the moment this are the most important things for me.
Flashing roms and so on doesn't intrest me now , because everything is working fine.
Greetings Avanox
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
I believe it was @zelendel who brought this up on another thread, but he asks people what root is and why they need it. Since you're clearly new at this, I'm taking a page from his book.
1. What is root?
2. Why do you need root?
If you cannot answer both questions, you have no business nor need of rooting your S4. That said, there is an entire thread on Knox in the General forum that you should be reading if you want to know more. However, regardless of the methods used, if you root the Knox flag will be tripped. Once tripped, it stays tripped. There is no way to reset it, period.
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Fantastic. The reason I asked was to get you to slow down a bit and think about what you're doing. Your previous posts in the thread were all over the place and gave the impression that you didn't know what you were doing.
Back to Knox, do you still have a warranty on the S4? Most units will be out of warranty, in which case it won't matter if you trip the Knox flag. If you're trying to preserve your warranty, it probably will not be possible due to changes to Android.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Fantastic. The reason I asked was to get you to slow down a bit and think about what you're doing. Your previous posts in the thread were all over the place and gave the impression that you didn't know what you were doing.
Back to Knox, do you still have a warranty on the S4? Most units will be out of warranty, in which case it won't matter if you trip the Knox flag. If you're trying to preserve your warranty, it probably will not be possible due to changes to Android.
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Well yes I do have 2 year warranty because I did bought the galaxy s4 just 2 weeks ago, that's why I don't want to root it.
But if I could root it and still have the warranty on one or other way or set it back to normal , well that changes everything.
There are to much cool featers with this rooting stuff.
And also because I can't copy any files anymore to the sd card , stupidest change in android I've seen :'o
Greetings Avanox
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Fantastic. The reason I asked was to get you to slow down a bit and think about what you're doing. Your previous posts in the thread were all over the place and gave the impression that you didn't know what you were doing.
Back to Knox, do you still have a warranty on the S4? Most units will be out of warranty, in which case it won't matter if you trip the Knox flag. If you're trying to preserve your warranty, it probably will not be possible due to changes to Android.
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Ah owkey np.
Well yes I do have 2 year warranty because I did bought the galaxy s4 just 2 weeks ago, that's why I don't want to root it.
But if I could root it and still have the warranty on one or other way or set it back to normal , well that changes everything.
There are to much cool featers with this rooting stuff.
And also because I can't copy any files anymore to the sd card , stupidest change in android I've seen :'o
Greetings Avanox
So apparently you're still on Android 4.4.2, since Android 5.x removed the MicroSD card restriction. Is that correct?
As long as you are NOT on Android 5.x, you can root without tripping Knox, by downgrading the bootloader and modem to an earlier version, then running Towelroot. The drawback is that you won't be able to upgrade to Android 5.x. OTA updates won't function, and using Odin to upgrade wipes the /system partition, which will cost you root.
Regardless of the warranty, I personally would trip Knox and not lose any sleep over it.
Hey
Sorry for my double post.
Euh no, android 5.0.1 was already pre installed on this phone.
It is galaxy s4 black edition gt-i9515
Hmm maybe I must wait for a moment maybe there will come new safer methods
Greetings
The fact you have a value edition S4 changes things. You might as well flash CF-Autoroot now, because there are no safe methods for you. There are no custom ROMs either, but I digress.
@darrendude1: Rule number 1 of this site is to search before you post. The entire reason the rule is present is to avoid having people ask the same questions over and over again, simply because the question has likely been already answered. It applies regardless of whether you are a noob, senior member, recognized developer, or any other title the site may bestow.
In the case of the OP, you clearly didn't read the thread, because I explained to the OP exactly why I asked the questions. He understood why I asked them, and from there we have continued the conversation. To a noob, I would hope they would take rule 1 to heart, and actually did some research into what root is so they could actually explain why they think they need it.
Hi just got my s8 plus and I'm just wondering I want to root and been searching around about what tripping knox brakes but keep getting mixed views
I will be rooting and flashing a custom Rom and kernel would someone be kind enough to list every app that get broken and is not fixed even by a custom Rom or kernel (like iris scanner,s Health, ect)
As I really want to root but don't want to damage too many apps in the process
Many thanks also my model is the SM-G955F
brockyneo said:
Hi just got my s8 plus and I'm just wondering I want to root and been searching around about what tripping knox brakes but keep getting mixed views
I will be rooting and flashing a custom Rom and kernel would someone be kind enough to list every app that get broken and is not fixed even by a custom Rom or kernel (like iris scanner,s Health, ect)
As I really want to root but don't want to damage too many apps in the process
Many thanks also my model is the SM-G955F
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Samsung pay - permanently broken
Secure folder - permanently broken
That's it really
callumbr1 said:
Samsung pay - permanently broken
Secure folder - permanently broken
That's it really
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Cant they work with faked 0x0 knox kernel ?
Well if that's it then I'll go ahead and root as I don't use them 2 apps anyways
Thanks
nikexv2 said:
Cant they work with faked 0x0 knox kernel ?
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No unfortunately not, Knox is a fuse on the motherboard. Once tripped it burns. So far only way to get Knox back would be to change the motherboard
callumbr1 said:
No unfortunately not, Knox is a fuse on the motherboard. Once tripped it burns. So far only way to get Knox back would be to change the motherboard
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Yes but the apps and system dont read the statuts directly from the bootloader but from the kernel, this is why there is a kernel that has faked 0x0 knox, but the fuse is still blown yes.
nikexv2 said:
Yes but the apps and system dont read the statuts directly from the bootloader but from the kernel, this is why there is a kernel that has faked 0x0 knox, but the fuse is still blown yes.
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You can use terminal to change Knox to 0x0 but still. S health will work and some apps, but not secure folder or Samsung pay
so, knox tripped and rooted on stock unmodified rom :
safety net fail : (no apps like samsung pay, Pokemon go, Mario run, snapchat login ,etc)
no system updates
samsung apps won't work : samsung pass, samsung pay, Shealth, secure folder, issue with private mode on samsung internet,
if you use a custom rom most of stuff CAN be fixed like
safety net pass with magisk hide (root)
s health work
private mode on internet
BUT some are permanent and can't be fixed even with custom rom so once rooted , no way back except buy new phone
samsung pass, samsung pay, secure folder
Remember that once you are rooted and knox counter is tripped (0x1), its irreversible and can't be "unrooted" or be official and reset knox counter even by flashing stock firmware though odin because since galaxy s7 the knox counter is not software related but its hardware. its an electronic fuse and if you root or install custom recovery etc the electronic fuse will broke and broken fuse mean tripped knox counter. this is because even flashing stock firmware is useless, as most of Samsung apps knox related don't only check root but also the knox counter, so unroot won't help. so think twice before rooting your device
callumbr1 said:
You can use terminal to change Knox to 0x0 but still. S health will work and some apps, but not secure folder or Samsung pay
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Didn't know that, what's the command to do so ? I couldn't find anything on google
nikexv2 said:
Didn't know that, what's the command to do so ? I couldn't find anything on google
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su
resetprop -v ro.config.tima 0
Type that in terminal. It will make Knox show 0x0 on device ONLY. Download mode will still show as 0x1.
nikexv2 said:
Didn't know that, what's the command to do so ? I couldn't find anything on google
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its useless, Samsung knox apps dont check if they see 0x0 but it just put some electricity though the knox fuse and if it get though it its ok but if the electricity dont success to get through the fuse it mean its broken so I mean knox is 0x1 and rooted.
fake knox counter is useless as every knox eligibility checks are hardware and not software. fake 0x0 is only for you ^^to reset the counter only way is the replace the motherboard, even Samsung can't reset it
robhug said:
its useless, Samsung knox apps dont check if they see 0x0 but it just put some electricity though the knox fuse and if it get though it its ok but if the electricity dont success to get through the fuse it mean its broken so I mean knox is 0x1 and rooted.
fake knox counter is useless as every knox eligibility checks are hardware and not software. fake 0x0 is only for you ^^to reset the counter only way is the replace the motherboard, even Samsung can't reset it
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There has to be some hardware abstraction layer, you can't just test the fuse each time, that would mean that the apps have really low level rights/api to do so wich is risky. The bootloader tests the fuse and writes the value to the kernel, wich can be faked to make some apps work.
If the value is checked by apps then there is a software value other than the hardware status.
But dont quote me on that.
For apps that dont work i think there is some selinux policies issues or root gets detected.
Why would devs include the fake 0x0 counter if it was useless ?
darn making me think twice about rooting now i mainly want it for debloating,apps ad blocking,viper4android,and a few mods like stereo speaker and camera mod
also the youtube mod which allows us to stream 4k (i know we only have 2k display) but i still like to stream in 4k
brockyneo said:
darn making me think twice about rooting now i mainly want it for debloating,apps ad blocking,viper4android,and a few mods like stereo speaker and camera mod
also the youtube mod which allows us to stream 4k (i know we only have 2k display) but i still like to stream in 4k
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I have rooted for the exact reasons you stated above. Wouldn't go back even if I could. Using the terminal code I posted allows you to use some apps that rely on 0x0. Samsung health is one of them as I use it every day.
callumbr1 said:
I have rooted for the exact reasons you stated above. Wouldn't go back even if I could. Using the terminal code I posted allows you to use some apps that rely on 0x0. Samsung health is one of them as I use it every day.
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to be honest ive rooted every device ive had dating back to the htc hd2 lol
that's why i sent the xperia xz premium back was due to locked bootloader which looks near impossible to root
ill properly root i just didn't want to destroy any apps which made any hardware not work properly but if everything works (apart from samsung pay and secure folder) which i don't use both then should be worth the trip lol :silly:
brockyneo said:
to be honest ive rooted every device ive had dating back to the htc hd2 lol
that's why i sent the xperia xz premium back was due to locked bootloader which looks near impossible to root
ill properly root i just didn't want to destroy any apps which made any hardware not work properly but if everything works (apart from samsung pay and secure folder) which i don't use both then should be worth the trip lol :silly:
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And also I can confirm Samsung pass doesn't work also. However I never use it so that doesn't bother me. To be honest I would root just for viper4android. And I use android pay instead of Samsung pay which also works perfect
Still haven't rooted yet darn cart make my mind up I've rooted every phone I've had and it's the first thing I normally do :silly:
Does anyone think there will be more knox apps coming out which if knox is tripped we will be missing out on
Or what if Samsung make a few more apps go through knox like s health or iris scanner then we would be stuck then lol
I don't know miss the good old days where you could just go back to stock no worrys
brockyneo said:
Still haven't rooted yet darn cart make my mind up I've rooted every phone I've had and it's the first thing I normally do :silly:
Does anyone think there will be more knox apps coming out which if knox is tripped we will be missing out on
Or what if Samsung make a few more apps go through knox like s health or iris scanner then we would be stuck then lol
I don't know miss the good old days where you could just go back to stock no worrys
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I don't think they will release anything else knox related. At least not for the s8 anyway
S health and iris scanner work perfect now after root, they won't implement them into knox status don't worry.
callumbr1 said:
I don't think they will release anything else knox related. At least not for the s8 anyway
S health and iris scanner work perfect now after root, they won't implement them into knox status don't worry.
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Thanks I'm going to have to root I miss it too much I've given it 3 weeks and I've never used secure folder or Samsung pass so I won't miss them and Samsung pay although i haven't used I will miss lol
Isn't android pay ment to be better anyway?
Thanks again
brockyneo said:
Thanks I'm going to have to root I miss it too much I've given it 3 weeks and I've never used secure folder or Samsung pass so I won't miss them and Samsung pay although i haven't used I will miss lol
Isn't android pay ment to be better anyway?
Thanks again
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I had to root for viper4android amd I'm not running renovate ROM and it so much better than stock.
In my opinion android pay is better and it's supported in many places. But that's my opinion.
If you root I recommend rooting with magisk. So you can use magisk hide and modules. Good luck and post here if you need any help :good: