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Flat PIE or PIEbar

The functionality of the navbar can be modified extensively. You can make it autohide like the dock in OS X or the taskbar in windows, you can add custom buttons to it, change the location of the buttons, change what the buttons do and give them longpress functionality, and so forth.
But you can't make it do the one thing that makes PIE brilliant: be always hidden, and pop up instantly as you slide from an edge onto a button, and simultaneously and instantaneously disappear and activate the button as you lift your finger.
So I like the PIE metaphor, but I don't like its semicircle shape or the fact that you can't customize it. Therefore, how can I give the navbar the functionality that PIE has, underlined above? Or, not as good but still better than default PIE, how can I make PIE flat instead of semicircle?

Personally I hate PIE, find it annoying. I hope it never finds a way into AOSP.

knitler said:
Personally I hate PIE, find it annoying. I hope it never finds a way into AOSP.
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That's fine. It's also completely irrelevant lol... I'm just looking for info on how I can modify the navbar to have PIE functionality (or alternatively, how to change PIE to a flat shape like the navbar).

You're right. I probably shouldn't have posted.

I've been wanting the same thing. Hopefully its possible.
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knitler said:
Personally I hate PIE, find it annoying. I hope it never finds a way into AOSP.
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You know you can disable it right? Even on PA you don't have to use PIE if you don't want to.

why not simply using tablet ui. you get one small combined bar, left side buttons right side status informations and notifications.

personally i love the pie idea *not the flat bar* coz of full screen gaming..

molesarecoming said:
why not simply using tablet ui. you get one small combined bar, left side buttons right side status informations and notifications.
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Because that's exactly what I'm trying to avoid. It doesn't feature what I explained above..."the one thing that makes PIE brilliant: be always hidden, and pop up instantly as you slide from an edge onto a button, and simultaneously and instantaneously disappear and activate the button as you lift your finger."
It's the combination of not being on the screen ever except for a split second, and the ability to slide onto a button and lift up to activate it.
You are a developer, do you know what I would have to modify to make the navbar function like this? Or, alternatively, to make PIE in a flat, navbar-like theme instead of sci-fi semicircle?

I think PIE beats any cyonegen ROM functions...PIE will end up being part of android OS in the future, its so simple and clean, it can't be annoying because the blackberry z10 utilizes touch/swipe everything to use the phone..
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androidfoshizzle said:
I think PIE beats any cyonegen ROM functions...PIE will end up being part of android OS in the future, its so simple and clean, it can't be annoying because the blackberry z10 utilizes touch/swipe everything to use the phone..
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Please stay on topic. We are not discussing the merits of pie in here.
OP what you requested should be possible. However, whether someone will step up to the challenge is a different question.
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I think another idea about Pie, would be to have a Navbar that comes up like pie. I mean, that when you drag the finger up from the bottom, rather than having a semicircle (pie) shape, you could have the a rectangular bar with buttons (something like the nav bar). So rather than dragging the finger diagonally to the buttons, the user could drag up(start rectangular pie) and then drag to the left or right.
I know it sounds a bit wonky, but I think it's a neat idea. I would make a few conceptual images later today. IMO pie in it's current form is amazing. I am really looking forward to see where Pie development goes.

I believe AOKP has a navbar option that auto-hides it with a small trigger to bring it back up, similar to the Windows auto-hide taskbar option.

ak700 said:
I think another idea about Pie, would be to have a Navbar that comes up like pie. I mean, that when you drag the finger up from the bottom, rather than having a semicircle (pie) shape, you could have the a rectangular bar with buttons (something like the nav bar). So rather than dragging the finger diagonally to the buttons, the user could drag up(start rectangular pie) and then drag to the left or right
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That's EXACTLY what I'm describing. I love PIE, I don't love the semicircle shape, I prefer a bar shape. At the same time, you can customize the navbar but you can't customize PIE, so I'd like to just give PIE functionality to the navbar.
Dungeon47 said:
I believe AOKP has a navbar option that auto-hides it with a small trigger to bring it back up, similar to the Windows auto-hide taskbar option.
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Ya a lot of ROMs do. It doesn't really accomplish anything like what PIE does (as described in my posts above). That's why I'm trying to give PIE functionality to the navbar.
It doesn't really seem like it would be very complicated to theme PIE into a flat bar shape, to look like the navbar. I'm willing to do the coding if someone can explain what I need to do. Really though, like I've been saying, the navbar is customizable whereas PIE isn't, so I'd prefer to code PIE functionality into the navbar.

.psd said:
That's EXACTLY what I'm describing. I love PIE, I don't love the semicircle shape, I prefer a bar shape. At the same time, you can customize the navbar but you can't customize PIE, so I'd like to just give PIE functionality to the navbar.
Ya a lot of ROMs do. It doesn't really accomplish anything like what PIE does (as described in my posts above). That's why I'm trying to give PIE functionality to the navbar.
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I suppose there's some difference. I use LMT to get PIE controls on CM 10.1 (the default implementation is pretty limited) and it's not much different from the AOKP feature I mentioned. I hope you find what you're looking for.

snapper.fishes said:
Please stay on topic. We are not discussing the merits of pie in here.
OP what you requested should be possible. However, whether someone will step up to the challenge is a different question.
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And the topic is about PIE so all things related can be said
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androidfoshizzle said:
And the topic is about PIE so all things related can be said
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No it is not. The topic of this thread is about whether it is possible to create a hybrid of pie and the navbar with the appearance of the navbar but with the functionality of PIE. If you wish to discuss the navbar, you are free to discuss it in your own thread.
Furthermore, this thread is in the Q&A section. OP asked a question, so your post should answer his question. This is not General Discussion.
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.psd said:
That's EXACTLY what I'm describing. I love PIE, I don't love the semicircle shape, I prefer a bar shape. At the same time, you can customize the navbar but you can't customize PIE, so I'd like to just give PIE functionality to the navbar.
Ya a lot of ROMs do. It doesn't really accomplish anything like what PIE does (as described in my posts above). That's why I'm trying to give PIE functionality to the navbar.
It doesn't really seem like it would be very complicated to theme PIE into a flat bar shape, to look like the navbar. I'm willing to do the coding if someone can explain what I need to do. Really though, like I've been saying, the navbar is customizable whereas PIE isn't, so I'd prefer to code PIE functionality into the navbar.
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Why not send an email to the PA developers? The codes should be available, so all you really need to ask is which section of the code affects PIE.
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snapper.fishes said:
No it is not. The topic of this thread is about whether it is possible to create a hybrid of pie and the navbar with the appearance of the navbar but with the functionality of PIE. If you wish to discuss the navbar, you are free to discuss it in your own thread
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Why not send an email to the PA developers? The codes should be available, so all you really need to ask is which section of the code affects PIE.
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You like quoting people I see, how about you quote the person that said they didn't like pie? Its the 2nd or 3rd post..who wants a pie nave bar when its doesn't need to be messed with, don't quote me a 3rd I won't respond
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This mod works on the n4. I used it early on before pie caught on. U can use the full screen toggle app with button savior app. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1497558
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androidfoshizzle said:
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Please get out of this thread unless, like snapper.fishes said, you have information on how to mod a hybrid with the appearance and customizability of the navbar and the functionality of PIE.
DowntownJeffBrown said:
This mod works on the n4...
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Thanks but it's not at all what I'm trying to accomplish. People have offered up various alternatives so I should be clear:
What PIE does is very unique, and things like hidden navbar and button savior are entirely unlike it. It's the mechanism of sliding from an edge > buttons appear > lift finger > button activates as the menu disappears. It's a very brilliant, modern paradigm, seen in UIs like Ubuntu Phone
snapper.fishes said:
Why not send an email to the PA developers?
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I feel like they wouldn't care what I have to say, though I guess it's worth a shot... Really I thought I could find an answer fairly quick around here but that's not panning out so well lol.

Nexus 6 Improved One Handed Use Mods & Apps

So, the Nexus 6 is huge. That is not exactly a bad thing, but one handed use difficult. The screen is gorgeous but makes the device hard to use in one hand for the majority of its owners. Since the Nexus 6 runs stock Lollipop, it doesn't come with any features that make one handed use any easier when you need it. I made this thread with one goal in mind: A place to share any mods or apps that you know of that improve one handed use. Please leave a post in this thread with any mods that you know of and I'll update my post with a list of all the mods mentioned. Also, please mention if the mod or app requires root or not. The whole Nexus 6 community thanks you for your help. :victory:
APPS
LMT Launcher (Root/No Root) - Gesture based homescreen launcher.
SwiftKey Keyboard (No Root) - Keyboard with compact mode for one handed typing.
Swype Keyboard (No Root) - Same as SwiftKey.
Pie Control (Root/No Root) - Navigation bar that you can use by swiping in from any side. Has many settings that can be configured.
MODS
LiquidSmooth ROM - Allows you to rearrange the navigation bar icons, letting you position the icons towards one side for easier one handed use.

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So, the Nexus 6 is huge. That is not exactly a bad thing, but one handed use difficult. The screen is gorgeous but makes the device hard to use in one hand for the majority of its owners. Since the Nexus 6 runs stock Lollipop, it doesn't come with any features that make one handed use any easier when you need it. I made this thread with one goal in mind: A place to share any mods such as xposed modules or apps that you know of that improve one handed use. Please leave a post in this thread with any mods that you know of and I'll update my post with a list of all the mods mentioned. Also, please mention if the mod requires root or not. The whole Nexus 6 community thanks you for your help. :victory:
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xposed doesnt work on lollipop, and probably never will. as lollipop runs on art and not dalvik. besides, ive used the past 3 nexus phones with two hands, not one hand. and its much more convenient that way

simms22 said:
xposed doesnt work on lollipop, and probably never will. as lollipop runs on art and not dalvik. besides, ive used the past 3 nexus phones with two hands, not one hand. and its much more convenient that way
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Thanks for the information, I'll update the post. And I understand 2 hands is much more convenient, but sometimes there is the occasion where you need to use one hand, such as in school.

elvintopalov said:
Thanks for the information, I'll update the post. And I understand 2 hands is much more convenient, but sometimes there is the occasion where you need to use one hand, such as in school.
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not here. been out of school for 25 years
but multi-windows would be cool. the middle of last year, i saw that google was working on it, and thought that it would be included into the nexus 6. i guess its not ready yet.

simms22 said:
not here. been out of school for 25 years
but multi-windows would be cool. the middle of last year, i saw that google was working on it, and thought that it would be included into the nexus 6. i guess its not ready yet.
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Maybe it will be unveiled with the next version of Android? I hope so.

elvintopalov said:
Maybe it will be unveiled with the next version of Android? I hope so.
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hope so. as for the screen size, multi-windows on a nexus 6 could be very handy.

elvintopalov said:
So, the Nexus 6 is huge. That is not exactly a bad thing, but one handed use difficult. The screen is gorgeous but makes the device hard to use in one hand for the majority of its owners. Since the Nexus 6 runs stock Lollipop, it doesn't come with any features that make one handed use any easier when you need it. I made this thread with one goal in mind: A place to share any mods or apps that you know of that improve one handed use. Please leave a post in this thread with any mods that you know of and I'll update my post with a list of all the mods mentioned. Also, please mention if the mod requires root or not. The whole Nexus 6 community thanks you for your help. :victory:
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Swiftkey may have a feature that makes the keyboard smaller for typing with one hand. I know the feature exists for tablets, not sure if it also exists for phones.

Use lmt launcher. Works without root too

Swiftkey and Swype both offer a reduction in keyboard size for the N6.

Use Pie Control. Doesn't require root. You swipe from the side of screen to a set of preconfigured settings. Pretty good

I managed to learn how to type one handed with mine and I have small hands. The only issue for me is trying to reach the back or multitasking button depending on which hand is holding the phone. If I could move that closer, I'd be beyond happy. The only way I can reach is now is sliding my hand down and holding it on the bottom. I just get nervous doing that one handed as I really don't want to see if my case will protect my phone if I drop it.

vaxick said:
I managed to learn how to type one handed with mine and I have small hands. The only issue for me is trying to reach the back or multitasking button depending on which hand is holding the phone. If I could move that closer, I'd be beyond happy. The only way I can reach is now is sliding my hand down and holding it on the bottom. I just get nervous doing that one handed as I really don't want to see if my case will protect my phone if I drop it.
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In liquid smooth you can change the position of the buttons by inserting menu button to the LEFT side (still appears on the right). Helps a lot don't know if other ROMs have this also.

I use extended desktop and pie controls on the right side of the phone

Thanks for the recommendations everyone! I just updated my post to include the lists of mods and apps that you all gave.:good:

dont forget the MCR Mod Pack! allows you to swap your nav keys around and toggle left/right handed use. comes bundled with double tap to wake and notification light use. First thing i'd download onto my nexus tbh, dispenses with all that messing around for individual mods

simms22 said:
xposed doesnt work on lollipop, and probably never will. as lollipop runs on art and not dalvik. besides, ive used the past 3 nexus phones with two hands, not one hand. and its much more convenient that way
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I haven't tried it yet, but I think there's now a Lollipop/art-compatible version of Xposed. Not all the modules work, so I don't if whatever Xposed-based solution the OP had in mind would work, but it might.

Flygrip

Try PAC-ROM. It has a app circle bar that is fully customizable and allows you to tap a particular are on the side of your screen to get a 'pie-ish' circle app launcher!

Since xposed is working now, you can use "Niwatori" and "one hand mode" modules. these will re-size the whole screen according to your liking. And MCR modpack has the one sided nav bar

Vanilla UI vs CyanogenMod questions

I'm running an unofficial version of CM13 on the Honor 5X. Unofficial means a few things are absent at the moment, like fingerprint scanner. What does work works to make this one of the smoothest phones I've used. (EMUI is entirely unusable.)
I'm very interested and I'm this close to ordering the Moto X Pure. So since it's very close to AOSP, as is CyanogenMod, I'm interested to know what differences I can look forward to. Yes, I acknowledge that just because they're both approaching AOSP doesn't mean they are similar to each other.
With CM, I nominally have LiveDisplay (which is broken at the moment but is great when it did work).
With CM, I can enable extra buttons other than just back and home and switcher. I also have search and the menu buttons on.
With CM, I can double tap the power button and it'll go directly to the camera.
These are what comes to mind right now. So, can I expect the Pure to have this functionality?
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For the record, I have no immediate interest in switching from the vanilla on the Pure. My sole interest at the moment is just wondering how similar they are and if I will have to give up some familiar functionality.
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Is there a way to get the 4x4 pattern CM lockscreen the on a stock rooted ROM?

dschmidt said:
I'm running an unofficial version of CM13 on the Honor 5X. Unofficial means a few things are absent at the moment, like fingerprint scanner. What does work works to make this one of the smoothest phones I've used. (EMUI is entirely unusable.)
I'm very interested and I'm this close to ordering the Moto X Pure. So since it's very close to AOSP, as is CyanogenMod, I'm interested to know what differences I can look forward to. Yes, I acknowledge that just because they're both approaching AOSP doesn't mean they are similar to each other.
With CM, I nominally have LiveDisplay (which is broken at the moment but is great when it did work).
With CM, I can enable extra buttons other than just back and home and switcher. I also have search and the menu buttons on.
With CM, I can double tap the power button and it'll go directly to the camera.
These are what comes to mind right now. So, can I expect the Pure to have this functionality?
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Moto Display = LiveDisplay (so you have it)
extra buttons - with xposed is possible
double power camera - in Moto it's double phone twist for camera

I suspect I'll find that the double twist thing is stupid and gimmicky, unless I find that the power button is just inconvenient.
But I'm glad it's basically available. What about the 4x4 pattern lock screen, as @sunny_j asked about?
Is that available through xposed? I've never used it (and have no idea what role it serves--yet), but my understanding is that it requires root, which requires unlocking the bootloader, which I understand is easy enough.
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IOS like gesture navigation animation.

Hey y'all
I just got the Google Q beta 3 on my pixel and with the full navigation mode you get the IOS like animations. I say IOS like for lack of a better term as they were the first to offer a polished version of gesture animations (to my knowledge, don't want to debate that).
I know that my oneplus 6t and Huawei Mate 20 pro also had that same animation style.
What I mean is that when you swipe up to go home the app animation goes back into the app icon itself, funny enough one ui has a similar animation for when you close a folder.
I'm surprised that our phones don't have it. It makes the whole gesture thing seem like an after thought. I asked Samsung and they told me to download a different theme...
So here are my questions
1- Is there a name for that animation style?
2-Is there an actual theme that would enable it or maybe a launcher?
I'm just a bit surprised that my $1700 phone would have such an unfinished gesture navigation implementation.

Not debating but informing you that WebOS was gesture navigation based before everyone else.

Intratech said:
Not debating but informing you that WebOS was gesture navigation based before everyone else.
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????? That has absolutely nothing to do with my question hence why I didn't want to debate that fact, but thanks for your input. ?
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XDAs gesture navigation is probably the closest to ios you will find

Zmantech said:
XDAs gesture navigation is probably the closest to ios you will find
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I'm fine with Samsung navigation, I actually like it very much. It's really the navigation transition animations and more specifically the apps. The way that they kind of pop back into the actual app icon. As opposed to the just fading out.
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Any ROM with OnePlus launcher / gestures?

I'm currently using Pixen which is nice, and o also enjoyed Evolution. I really much prefer the Pixel UX over Oxygen. It feels way more polished.
However, Google's gesture navigation sucks. The back gesture often triggers whatever is on screen rather than actually going back. It's super annoying.
So do any Pixel style ROMs exist that print the OnePlus gestures/launcher?

mike freegan said:
I'm currently using Pixen which is nice, and o also enjoyed Evolution. I really much prefer the Pixel UX over Oxygen. It feels way more polished.
However, Google's gesture navigation sucks. The back gesture often triggers whatever is on screen rather than actually going back. It's super annoying.
So do any Pixel style ROMs exist that print the OnePlus gestures/launcher?
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FNG?

Timmmmaaahh said:
FNG?
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Thanks, but I tried that but despite the name, they aren't very... fluid. You lose all the animations of multi-tasking and closing apps which is what makes the Pixel / OnePlus solution feel so good.

I've been wondering this same thing. Maybe someone using a custom ROM can try to install the OnePlus launcher APK from apkmirror and test it.