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My needs:
- Good Camera, esp for indoor and low light use. Need a good manual mode. Portrait mode not important, need to shoot mostly landscape pics.
- Good build quality
- Long lasting battery (~1-2 days for light use)
- Light user, no gaming or other heavy apps
The camera of Mi A1 vs Zenfone 3:
- A1 = dual set up vs Zenfone = single 16MP camera
- A1 = no Laser autofocus, no OIS
- Zenfone 3 = Sony IMX 298 sensor (same as on on oneplus 3t), not sure about A1 sensor quality.
- Maximum shutter speed : 0.067s for A1 vs 32s for Zenfone 3
- Zenfone 3 has a full featured manual mode (more options for shutter speed, WB, ISO etc)
Zenfone 3 comes with a full glass back, and is now more than a year old. The price is half of the launch price. What would you advise. The mi A1 or the Zenfone 3?
go for the A1. some users of ZF3 are having camera issue like blur camera or not focusing.
The camera is not great you need full light. The dual camera is more of a marketing gimmick.
Battery is also not great but does well for the capacity.
For battery I recommend the Lenovo P2 although I have no info on the camera.
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go for the A1. some users of ZF3 are having camera issue like blur camera or not focusing.
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thanks for that info, I went thru the Asus forums and like you said, users have complained of camera focus issuing. Are ther any known issues in the Mi A1 that I need to be aware of?
pow01 said:
The camera is not great you need full light. The dual camera is more of a marketing gimmick.
Battery is also not great but does well for the capacity.
For battery I recommend the Lenovo P2 although I have no info on the camera.
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thanks for confirming what i suspected about the camera on A1. Lenovo P2 was on my list, but its bigger and heavier than I need.
dzarg said:
thanks for confirming what i suspected about the camera on A1. Lenovo P2 was on my list, but its bigger and heavier than I need.
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Both are 5.5" the size difference is minimal. Slightly thicker due to the monster 5100mAh battery
Expandable memory up to 256mb and HD video. The main drawback being that pesky Lenovo software but community is active on here.
If you take indoor photos, don't buy Mi A1. It has awful low light performance (and I mean awful. The pictures come out grainy. However it has slightly improved by Oreo update). The daylight photos come out amazing though! Landscape photos are amazing.
with google camera it's not bad at all
traianescu said:
with google camera it's not bad at all
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Damn, the difference!
Edwin Hamal said:
Damn, the difference!
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Yes, i know.. it is all about software... The hardware, as you see, it is capable to shot great pics in low light condition
@traianescu
thanks for the pics, I can see the big difference.
The camera on the zenfone 3 smashes the mi A1 mate I have both of them and my wife has a zenfone 3 too and we have no issues with the camera
Sent from my Mi A1 using Tapatalk
robgee789 said:
The camera on the zenfone 3 smashes the mi A1 mate I have both of them and my wife has a zenfone 3 too and we have no issues with the camera
Sent from my Mi A1 using Tapatalk
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thanks a lot, mate. your experience helps my decision making.
robgee789 said:
The camera on the zenfone 3 smashes the mi A1 mate I have both of them and my wife has a zenfone 3 too and we have no issues with the camera
Sent from my Mi A1 using Tapatalk
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If you don't mind, can you post few comparison images? specially in low light. I'm curious.
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If you don't mind, can you post few comparison images? specially in low light. I'm curious.
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Yeah man here are a couple i just opened and snapped no messing with settings or anything i havnt even checked them so so can judge for your self mate
these are mi a1
https://i.imgur.com/hSgBe3P.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DpXBhU7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oMdNwgi.jpg
these are zenfone 3
https://i.imgur.com/jIdDDCD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/F5M8LKg.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nodUMxG.jpg
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Yeah man here are a couple i just opened and snapped no messing with settings or anything i havnt even checked them so so can judge for your self mate
these are mi a1
https://i.imgur.com/hSgBe3P.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DpXBhU7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oMdNwgi.jpg
these are zenfone 3
https://i.imgur.com/jIdDDCD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/F5M8LKg.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nodUMxG.jpg
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Thanks! Zenfone 3 is better IMO. In A1, images are blurry but in Zenfone 3 images looks sharp and better.
You can get sharp images with the a1 but there is kind of stabilisation so it's hard and videos are better in zenfone 3 too, if you switch to night mode in the zenfone the Image is very bright and pretty clear but night mode on a1 does nothing lol
Sent from my Mi A1 using Tapatalk
I had a Zenfone 2 Laser and man, how much I hated that phone. It has bloatware with takes a big part of the space and like a Custom ROM fan I am no one even cared for that device. So, I recommend any phone over Asus ones ^^
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with google camera it's not bad at all
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Is HDR+ enabled? The difference between the pictures is huge.
Yes, hdr activated on both cameras, to have a fair comparison..
The camera it is more than i need on the phone.. my complains are two other thing: it is huuuge, compared with my ex iphone 5s and i don't have a real fm radio app.. maybe when we will have the kernel source...
Hello everyone, I'm intending buying a new phone in the Middle range prices and after some researches i sticked to this 2 choices: Mi A1 and Redmi 5 Plus, i'm not fascinated by the 18:9 aspect ratio, i'm just looking for handy Value for money phone especially in terms of future supporting by developers.
what do you think?
After my Redmi 4 Prime i can say you one thing..
NEVER BUY A REDMI PHONE.
Redmi Note and Mi series are ok.
Sent from my Mi A1 using XDA Labs
Got a Mi A1, in love with !
Mi A1 Best choice for me
I'm satisfied with my A1, no issues.
Running latest stock Oreo, Jan 1 update.
sabbahy said:
Hello everyone, I'm intending buying a new phone in the Middle range prices and after some researches i sticked to this 2 choices: Mi A1 and Redmi 5 Plus, i'm not fascinated by the 18:9 aspect ratio, i'm just looking for handy Value for money phone especially in terms of future supporting by developers.
what do you think?
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Buy Redmi Note 5 pro
Few weeks back, my biggest headache was to choose between the A1 or Redmi Note 4. Both phone are great, and of course the rn4 has big battery. And undoubtedly, the rn4 developer support is really really great. Unlike Mi A1 right now, well, there is development going but..hmm..
The rn5 looks nice with that 18:9 screen.. not sure bout how will the dev support be for that device tho. Anyhow, loving my A1 :victory:
Easily redmi 5 or 5 plus. Mi A1 is good but the redmi will probably be so much supported on xda and that 18:9 display is gorgeous. And the battery!
It really depends on the taste of android u want. Mi a1 offers pure stock vanilla Android just like in Google pixels and redmi note 5 offers miui a heavily skinned custom Ron with loads of features.
Also mi a1 has dual camera for portrait mode shots and redmi note 5 doesn't ( I suppose). If u are a big fan of the latest updates offered by Google then mi a1 is the way to go.
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Easily redmi 5 or 5 plus. Mi A1 is good but the redmi will probably be so much supported on xda and that 18:9 display is gorgeous. And the battery!
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Since Mi A1 didn't get any stable custom roms yet even though Xiaomi releases the Kernel Source, i'm afraid the developers left this device!
Hopefully redmi 5 and 5 plus get Xda developers Support, but till now no independent
thread for both of them
LouisMuruu said:
Few weeks back, my biggest headache was to choose between the A1 or Redmi Note 4. Both phone are great, and of course the rn4 has big battery. And undoubtedly, the rn4 developer support is really really great. Unlike Mi A1 right now, well, there is development going but..hmm..
The rn5 looks nice with that 18:9 screen.. not sure bout how will the dev support be for that device tho. Anyhow, loving my A1 :victory:
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I'm still in this headache!
developer support for the phone is a MUST!
I was going to buy Meizu M6 note... same Mi A1 price and defiantly beats it specially with both Cameras, but since it doesn't have any Supporting i left it!
sabbahy said:
I'm still in this headache!
developer support for the phone is a MUST!
I was going to buy Meizu M6 note... same Mi A1 price and defiantly beats it specially with both Cameras, but since it doesn't have any Supporting i left it!
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If developer support is a must for you, then I guess you should wait for xiaomi to release rn5 pro kernel sources and then get that phone. The A/B partition in the A1 might be one of the reasons why the A1 have not been getting much love..
sabbahy said:
Hello everyone, I'm intending buying a new phone in the Middle range prices and after some researches i sticked to this 2 choices: Mi A1 and Redmi 5 Plus, i'm not fascinated by the 18:9 aspect ratio, i'm just looking for handy Value for money phone especially in terms of future supporting by developers.
what do you think?
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Go for Redmi Note 5 Pro period.!
I have the Meizu m6 note and it's a great.
Great battery, good camera, no lag, but also no development either.
I have the Redmi 5 plus on order and had hoped it would be here by now. Ordered it January 29.
Hopefully it is supported.
Sent from my M6 Note using Tapatalk
IMO, since the 18:9 screen doesnt fancy you, then it comes to camera vs battery. A1 for camera and R5+ for battery.
uan said:
IMO, since the 18:9 screen doesnt fancy you, then it comes to camera vs battery. A1 for camera and R5+ for battery.
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According to camera comparisons, Redmi Note 5 has a vastly better camera even though it's single vs dual.
Not much seems to be going for A1 unforunately, except Oreo.
Hi guys, I have a restricted budget (around 150 EUR) and just want good battery life and good value for money, not gaming at all, a decent camera.
Where I live I can buy a brand new Xiaomi Mi A1 for less than 150€, I was wondering if I should go for it (custom rom, google cam ecc) or just wait for the Mi A2 Lite to drop the price a little (more compact design, newer)? What's your opinion?
Go for Mi A2 Lite, it is newer, better looking, has better battery capacity, bigger screen and will be supported officially longer than Mi A1 obviously
There are cons too but it's nothing to complain about.
edall said:
Hi guys, I have a restricted budget (around 150 EUR) and just want good battery life and good value for money, not gaming at all, a decent camera.
Where I live I can buy a brand new Xiaomi Mi A1 for less than 150€, I was wondering if I should go for it (custom rom, google cam ecc) or just wait for the Mi A2 Lite to drop the price a little (more compact design, newer)? What's your opinion?
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The MiA2 lite is shorter and not as wide but it is thicker and still has the 625 cpu. You might want to consider the RN5 AI as well.
edall said:
Hi guys, I have a restricted budget (around 150 EUR) and just want good battery life and good value for money, not gaming at all, a decent camera.
Where I live I can buy a brand new Xiaomi Mi A1 for less than 150€, I was wondering if I should go for it (custom rom, google cam ecc) or just wait for the Mi A2 Lite to drop the price a little (more compact design, newer)? What's your opinion?
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If you want a better battery go for a2 lite, if you want a better camera (dual 12 Mpixel, optical zoom) go for mi a1.
I'm doubting A1 has better camera. Mi A1's camera really is quite bad. I'd go with Redmi note 5 or Mi A2 lite every day. A1 is'nt worth it with it's noisy sound, network instability and mediocre camera.
JakobSWE said:
I'm doubting A1 has better camera. Mi A1's camera really is quite bad. I'd go with Redmi note 5 or Mi A2 lite every day. A1 is'nt worth it with it's noisy sound, network instability and mediocre camera.
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You can find all of this on Mi A2 (from some feedbacks on MIUI Forum)
mi a2 lite so bulky and weird. btw mi a2 lite rear camera has 12+5mp which is not better than mi a1 (12+12) in quality, but in stability mi a2 lite is better because has gyro-EIS which makes video quality better. if u have more budget just pick mi a2/redmi note 5 pro
JakobSWE said:
I'm doubting A1 has better camera. Mi A1's camera really is quite bad. I'd go with Redmi note 5 or Mi A2 lite every day. A1 is'nt worth it with it's noisy sound, network instability and mediocre camera.
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Noisy sound is not in my case. Guess it was somehow fixed.
Sent from my Mi A1 using XDA Labs
TrueMS said:
Noisy sound is not in my case. Guess it was somehow fixed.
Sent from my Mi A1 using XDA Labs
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They've Kinda fixed it by decreasing the gain. But it's still there and by doing that fix they've decreased the punch in bigger headphones
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zizizandlyan said:
mi a2 lite so bulky and weird. btw mi a2 lite rear camera has 12+5mp which is not better than mi a1 (12+12) in quality, but in stability mi a2 lite is better because has gyro-EIS which makes video quality better. if u have more budget just pick mi a2/redmi note 5 pro
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Not getting much worse than a reference implementation by Omnivision. And just relembered, I haven't even mentioned that scrolling on Mi A1 has never been smooth.
Hello.
I'm going to switch from my old op3 to a new phone. I'm on a buget, about 350$, and I can't decide between 9T and pocophone. The 9T looks promising but there is a huge lack of mods (roms, gcam ports, official twrp etc). On the other hand pocophone has a huge dev community, much like op1 had back in the day.
If I knew that the 9T will gain the same ammount of interest from devs I would buy it but F1 is a clear winner because of the community around it.
I understand that F1 camera quality is much improved with gcam ports. But is it better than the 9T default camera performance?
The display is also a downside for F1. OLED is anyway much better than any IPS but then again, there is small to none community around 9T.
I'm kinda stuck between these two. What would you buy?
Havoc is currently quite stable and the devs are still working on it. The display really looks good and that would be enough for me to take 9T over Pocophone to be honest.
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Hello.
I'm going to switch from my old op3 to a new phone. I'm on a buget, about 350$, and I can't decide between 9T and pocophone. The 9T looks promising but there is a huge lack of mods (roms, gcam ports, official twrp etc). On the other hand pocophone has a huge dev community, much like op1 had back in the day.
If I knew that the 9T will gain the same ammount of interest from devs I would buy it but F1 is a clear winner because of the community around it.
I understand that F1 camera quality is much improved with gcam ports. But is it better than the 9T default camera performance?
The display is also a downside for F1. OLED is anyway much better than any IPS but then again, there is small to none community around 9T.
I'm kinda stuck between these two. What would you buy?
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You are probably misinformed, if you want to use gcam 9t supports the latest builds of gcam 7 with no issues. You can find topics here on the forum. I'm using it myself.
I come from a pocophone and I can tell you I did the best choice:
1 Got rid of that awful notch, and now I have a big ass screen
2 AMOLED
3 The best custom ROM for Poco was Havoc, 9T has it and it's really good
4 Now I have LTE everywhere ( I'm from USA) on Poco I had only H+
5 Camera is really good, Poco was a little better, but for user experience, its excellent.
Yes maybe 9t lacks of Custom ROMs but I have eto be honest, what is the advantage of having 10 custom ROMs which only difference is the ROM name, it's better to have two or three but really good and stable
Is the WIDEVINE L1 reverting to L3 when unlocking bootloader/installing custom roms still a problem?
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I come from a pocophone and I can tell you I did the best choice:
1 Got rid of that awful notch, and now I have a big ass screen
2 AMOLED
3 The best custom ROM for Poco was Havoc, 9T has it and it's really good
4 Now I have LTE everywhere ( I'm from USA) on Poco I had only H+
5 Camera is really good, Poco was a little better, but for user experience, its excellent.
Yes maybe 9t lacks of Custom ROMs but I have eto be honest, what is the advantage of having 10 custom ROMs which only difference is the ROM name, it's better to have two or three but really good and stable
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Got to agree with most of this but from the few photos I have taken so far with the stock camera, I thought they looked a little better than Poco.
Had Poco for 6 months, and liked everything about it but ghost touch issue was killing me, so i sold it and got Mi9t, and here is my opinion:
- system performance is excellent
- cameras are better on Poco, especially gcam ports which are much more oprimized than for Mi9t
- battery life is ok, but on Poco it was more consistent, I got similar SOT on both
- fingerprint scanner is much much better on Poco
- popup camera is slow and gimmicky, totally unecessary
I would advise you not to switch for now, I sold my Mi9t and bought Mi8, which is a better phone all around
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Xiaomi Mi Note 10 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Dynamic range is pretty good comparing with "modern" tiny-sensored iphones.
Funny thing, that Nokia PureView 808 (2012) STILL provides better resolution and better signal-to-noise ratio.
S10 vs Mi Note 10
Hey guys. Here's a side by side picture showing the Mi Note 10 vs the Galaxy S10.
Unfortunately I've had to lower the size of the pics to 10MB because that's what the image host accepts.
On the right I included a cropped section from each camera. The Mi Note 10 has the higher megapixels
Notes: HDR auto enabled for both cameras
AI mode on for the Mi Note 10
Both pictures taken on the standard lens
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Hey guys. Here's a side by side picture showing the Mi Note 10 vs the Galaxy S10. ....
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Thanks you! To me, the Mi Note 10 camera looks like a real winner. The detail of the Mi Note 10 shot is noticeably better, especially on the right side of the canal. I believe that the color balance is noticeably better, too.
I like the mi note 10 as the photos are not altered by the software more what you see and that's what you get. I love the Lumia 1020 and I used it for 2 years plus till it died, and I moved on to Samsung Galaxy S7, pic were good but unrealistic as colours were enhanced .
With this device I take more real pic.
If you edit the picture with Snapseed and +25 to saturation the Mi Note 10 pic looks almost identical to the S10 on the colour front
While waiting for my Mi Note 10 to arrive, I am starting to wonder if I have made a mistake. I am replacing a Pixel 3XL with the Mi Note 10, based largely on the initial camera reviews and the Dxomark rating.
But now I am reading less than rosy reviews of the camera, like this one:
https://www.androidpit.com/xiaomi-mi-note-10-camera-problems
I also saw the oversharpening and overprocessing with the telephoto lenses, as well as the fringing. Can others share their experience with the camera, compared to brands like Apple, Google and Samsung?
Also, how good is Xiaomi at fixing such issues with updates? I am afraid that like many other Chinese companies, they will drop support for the Mi Note 10 in favor of the bazillion new models they seem to have in the pipeline.
I received my Mi Note 10 and took a few shots. Overall, disappointing images, compared to my Pixel 3XL.
Main camera: The dynamic range of the main camera is not nearly as good as that on the Pixel. Even forcing HDR on the Mi Note 10 doesn't help much, as the Pixel shows more detail in both sun-lit and shadow areas. Strangely, given the higher resolution of the Mi Note, the definition of blades of grass in a landscape shot is noticeably better on the Pixel. Also, the colors are kind of "electric" on the Mi Note 10, not natural.
Portrait mode is poor in less than bright conditions.
In Wide mode, the dynamic range is also pretty poor.
Night city light shots from the Mi Note 10 are not as good as the Pixel, although in Night Shot mode the Mi Note 10 improves noticeably. But it still suffers from poor dynamic range.
The only shot where the Mi Note did better the Pixel was at 10x zoom. The Pixel 3 does it all with just one lens, and at its maximum 7x it had somewhat less detail than the Mi Note 10.
Sadly, the Mi Note feels like a second rate phone on the photography front. Funny enough, I don't have any issues with the rest of the phone. The fingerprint unlock is not fast, but I can live with it. I don't have touch issues on the edges. But the main reason I bought it was for the camera, which in my experience so far, is just not very good.
I am wondering what DXOMARK was testing and how they came up with their conclusions, which are so different than mine?
MacGuy2006 said:
I received my Mi Note 10 and took a few shots. Overall, disappointing images, compared to my Pixel 3XL.
Main camera: The dynamic range of the main camera is not nearly as good as that on the Pixel. Even forcing HDR on the Mi Note 10 doesn't help much, as the Pixel shows more detail in both sun-lit and shadow areas. Strangely, given the higher resolution of the Mi Note, the definition of blades of grass in a landscape shot is noticeably better on the Pixel. Also, the colors are kind of "electric" on the Mi Note 10, not natural.
Portrait mode is poor in less than bright conditions.
In Wide mode, the dynamic range is also pretty poor.
Night city light shots from the Mi Note 10 are not as good as the Pixel, although in Night Shot mode the Mi Note 10 improves noticeably. But it still suffers from poor dynamic range.
The only shot where the Mi Note did better the Pixel was at 10x zoom. The Pixel 3 does it all with just one lens, and at its maximum 7x it had somewhat less detail than the Mi Note 10.
Sadly, the Mi Note feels like a second rate phone on the photography front. Funny enough, I don't have any issues with the rest of the phone. The fingerprint unlock is not fast, but I can live with it. I don't have touch issues on the edges. But the main reason I bought it was for the camera, which in my experience so far, is just not very good.
I am wondering what DXOMARK was testing and how they came up with their conclusions, which are so different than mine?
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I strongly believe that a 27 mp photo taken with a sensor 4 time bigger than the 12mp pixel 3 sensor has less detail compared with this one. Really, i believe that!! I swear!!
The dxomark test was made with the mi note 10 pro that have a 8p Lens system, but the difference Is very very little.
If you feel the pixel 3 photos Better than mi note 10, i suspect that you bought a mi note 3. Ahahahha
such awesome photo quality. I've got mi max 3 / note 8 pro / note 10 pro.
Note 10 pro is really really awesome and hassle free to install gcam
using this btw
burial: GCam_7.2.010_Burial-v6_release21.01.20.apk
mezza8512 said:
I strongly believe that a 27 mp photo taken with a sensor 4 time bigger than the 12mp pixel 3 sensor has less detail compared with this one. Really, i believe that!! I swear!!
The dxomark test was made with the mi note 10 pro that have a 8p Lens system, but the difference Is very very little.
If you feel the pixel 3 photos Better than mi note 10, i suspect that you bought a mi note 3. Ahahahha
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Believe what you want. The issue is not resolution, it's dynamic range. Detail in strongly lit and in shadow areas is worse in images taken on the Mi Note 10, than in images taken on the Pixel 3XL. The color is also over-processed and looking just tacky.
I am really disappointed, because I thought I was getting a great bargain, but instead got less than I paid for (the Pixel 3XL is cheaper nowadays than the Mi Note 10 and the 4XL can be had for a $200 or so more, on Google Fi). I'll give this phone a week or so, just to make sure, but my initial impression is not good.
My guess is it's all software. I tried a couple of the GCam mods, one crashes after each shot, the other one is a bit better than the stock main camera, but still not nearly as good as the Pixel 3XL.
I am on the latest Global, with the January update.
I should also note that I am looking at the original camera images on a 30" calibrated monitor, where the differences are glaring. On the phone itself the over-processed Mi Note 10 images look pretty good, but while this may be good enough for some, it's not what I am looking for.
OK, just went for a run and took a few shots along the way with the Mi Note 10. Late afternoon, good light.
In my opinion, they are all are pretty bad, mainly because the dynamic range is so poor. On my calibrated monitor, they also appear overly processed and the grass takes an electric hue, which reminds me of Chinese phones from years back.
Here are a few Mi Note 10 examples here:
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And here is a few pairs of similar shots from the Mi Note 10 and a Pixel 3XL..
I can see a little more detail in the Mi Note 10 shots at 100%, but things are crushed and just don't look good:
I'd be really happy to be proven wrong, so I don't have to deal with returning the Mi Note 10.
Dear MacGuy2006,
I have been a silent reader until now, but I still have to give my comment here.
You say that the pixel images are better, I see it completely different. The resolution is worlds lower and the whole picture looks much more blurred when you look at it in detail.
I agree with you that the colors are a bit more intense, that's why the pictures look better at first, but that's not so. The Note 10 photos are just more neutral, but that doesn't say anything about the quality of the pictures, that’s only a part of the Software.
A small change in Photoshop (gradation curves and saturation) and the Mi Note 10 looks much better. I even think, after a little tuning in Photoshop you can't compare both cameras at all. In my eyes, the pixel is far behind. None of the photos of the pixel shown by you are better for me.
Regards
Pascal
Pentagrave666 said:
Dear MacGuy2006,
I have been a silent reader until now, but I still have to give my comment here.
You say that the pixel images are better, I see it completely different. The resolution is worlds lower and the whole picture looks much more blurred when you look at it in detail.
I agree with you that the colors are a bit more intense, that's why the pictures look better at first, but that's not so. The Note 10 photos are just more neutral, but that doesn't say anything about the quality of the pictures, that’s only a part of the Software.
A small change in Photoshop (gradation curves and saturation) and the Mi Note 10 looks much better. I even think, after a little tuning in Photoshop you can't compare both cameras at all. In my eyes, the pixel is far behind. None of the photos of the pixel shown by you are better for me.
Regards
Pascal
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Hi, Pascal. I appreciate your point and I agree with it.
But I think the issues with the Mi Note are a bit bigger than a small change in PS. I just lined up an image from the Mi Note 10 and an image from the Pixel 3XL, both at 100%, and took a screen shot. One would expect a much greater difference in resolution between the Mi Note sensor and the Pixel 3 sensor, right? I certainly expected a lot better, both in terms of detail and dynamic range.
But while the Note image has a bit finer detail, there is a lot of smearing and feathering. The orange/red tree in the upper right looks painted in both, and it shouldn't really on the Note image. While when pixel peeping I like the Mi Note 10 image better, I am wondering if all the smearing is causing the compressed apparent dynamic range? It looks like a Pointillist painting.
But as I said, I hope I am just overreacting and missing something. I'd really like for this to be the great bargain I hoped for. But I am not feeling it right now.
Just use gcam and small tweaks or even just load up pre-configured xml file can easily solve all your problem and achieve better quality image
MacGuy2006 said:
Hi, Pascal. I appreciate your point and I agree with it.
But I think the issues with the Mi Note are a bit bigger than a small change in PS. I just lined up an image from the Mi Note 10 and an image from the Pixel 3XL, both at 100%, and took a screen shot. One would expect a much greater difference in resolution between the Mi Note sensor and the Pixel 3 sensor, right? I certainly expected a lot better, both in terms of detail and dynamic range.
But while the Note image has a bit finer detail, there is a lot of smearing and feathering. The orange/red tree in the upper right looks painted in both, and it shouldn't really on the Note image. While when pixel peeping I like the Mi Note 10 image better, I am wondering if all the smearing is causing the compressed apparent dynamic range? It looks like a Pointillist painting.
But as I said, I hope I am just overreacting and missing something. I'd really like for this to be the great bargain I hoped for. But I am not feeling it right now.
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I understand what you mean and I've seen this kind of thing many times in pictures of Note 10. I guess the software just screws that up. The sensor itself is certainly much more powerful than you can see on some pictures.
It gives the impression that it tries too much to suppress the noise, so a lot of the details that should be there disappear.
Let's hope that a software update will come or Gcam will solve the problem.
- I would describe the camera like this: Right light, right situation, absolutely perfect shot.
- Minor problems with lighting (too little light or too high dynamic range) and the pictures are only average.
In my eyes it is not a camera that works well everywhere. The software simply needs more attention and time to take the right photo. By time I mean now the correct positioning or maybe manual settings on a photo instead of the automatic.
In any case the sensor has enormous power, but unfortunately not always and not everywhere
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I understand what you mean and I've seen this kind of thing many times in pictures of Note 10. I guess the software just screws that up. The sensor itself is certainly much more powerful than you can see on some pictures.
It gives the impression that it tries too much to suppress the noise, so a lot of the details that should be there disappear.
Let's hope that a software update will come or Gcam will solve the problem.
- I would describe the camera like this: Right light, right situation, absolutely perfect shot.
- Minor problems with lighting (too little light or too high dynamic range) and the pictures are only average.
In my eyes it is not a camera that works well everywhere. The software simply needs more attention and time to take the right photo. By time I mean now the correct positioning or maybe manual settings on a photo instead of the automatic.
In any case the sensor has enormous power, but unfortunately not always and not everywhere
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OK, I've calmed down
I went home yesterday and spent some time taking night shots with the camera and viewed the whole batch on my TV set up (it's a very large TV, calibrated On a large screen, I can appreciate the additional detail from the Mi Note 10. And you are right, under the perfect conditions the images are great. In fact, when comparing on the TV, Xiaomi seems to be closer to images from the iPhone 11, which is a good thing.
But on a lot of images, there is smearing and definite crushing of color in high contrast scenes. It seems the greens can be particularly troublesome for the Mi Note. I compared 108mp to 27mp and the smearing and the color crush is really evident only in the 27mp.
I wish there was a 16x9 option using the 108mp sensor as is.
I guess I was expecting too much. The Pixel 3XL photos still look more dynamic on the TV screen, but in perfect conditions the Mi Note provides better detail.
I will probably keep it and hope that Xiaomi improves the camera app to better take advantage of the large sensor. What is the experience of others with Xiaomi updates?
Why do you need a 16:9 option on the 108mp sensor? Just crop the photo into 16:9 afterwards, cause that's exactly what other phones do that let you take 16:9 photos.
Why 16x9? Because most photos I keep are eventually viewed on large 16x9 screens (TV's). I would rather frame correctly while taking the photo than crop later. I'd imagine that others prefer this too, since there is always a 16x9 option for the main camera.
Plus, the file size would be smaller and likely the processing time will be less, too.
Why frame correctly? You can also frame it correctly after. The 108mp mode isn't made for point and shoot. It's meant to get the max out of it so you still have to tweak a few things after so you might as well crop it. Takes 2 seconds.