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Android + Existing Phones = ??

Yeah, Google has just announced that Android is a platform there is no real GPhone. ok. I'm sure a lot of us are more than interested in getting this platform on our existing phone.
My question to those who understand the internals of our existing HTC phones. Is there hope for us to scrap WinMo and put Android instead. Their website makes it sound like it can be done.
What do you think?

I don't know the answer to that, but it sure seems like it, e specially since Sprint and other carriers are also joining hte Open handset alliance, they may provide support for linking Android with their services and configuration. I can't wait.

Wasn't there a pooled $$ reward that someone set up for the first person who could get Win XP running on the new Intel macs (prior to bootcamp). I suggest a similar motivational scheme (if necessary) to compensate whoever can accomplish a similar feat: getting Android to run on existing HTC hardware.
Anyone interested?

That would be super cool. I mean, I really can't wait...
What if we start a fund-raiser managed by the admins to request donations from members towards the reward? I'm sure that would be even more motivating.

Pool
I would love to start a pool too! The only problem is there are too many devices to support. With getting XP to run on an Intel mac, they all run the same hardware. My Athena is a lot different then somebodies universal or wizard. I'm guessing it will be just like the efforts to port linux over to our handsets. I'm hoping for my device to be able to run it but it would be a huge effort to be able to support all the devices.

MWillis561 said:
I would love to start a pool too! The only problem is there are too many devices to support. With getting XP to run on an Intel mac, they all run the same hardware. My Athena is a lot different then somebodies universal or wizard. I'm guessing it will be just like the efforts to port linux over to our handsets. I'm hoping for my device to be able to run it but it would be a huge effort to be able to support all the devices.
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It may not be that hard (theoretically) because they (OHA) did all the ground work of getting linux to run on our devices. The work (I think) is in dealing with the customizations for each device. The min requirements they stated seem well below what most of our devices are capable of, so that shouldn't be a problem either. Maybe we'll just have to wait until a device from HTC with that ROM comes out.
WARNING!! I absolutely am talking out of no knowlege.

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HTC and Google are working together to release a new phone that will run on the Android platform. The phone will reportedly have a 3- by 5-inch swivel screen like the SideKick that will automatically rotate from portrait to landscape. It will have a full QWERTY keyboard as well, but the coolest part about the phone is the "time-sensitive" touch menus that will expand depending on how long the users touch the screen.
According to Engadget Mobile, this should show up sometime in the second half of 2008.

TT_boy said:
According to Engadget Mobile, this should show up sometime in the second half of 2008.
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The tears are coming into my eyes. It was already possible
to use Blueangel as a linux phone two years ago without any help from HTC
http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa

It is possible, but as far as I know it, it didn't work quite well... Maybe we shall have better support when Android comes out.

dferreira said:
It is possible, but as far as I know it, it didn't work quite well...
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It was still not bad, when you consider that the code
is actually written without any docs from manufacturer
by 1 person (cp15).
Just look in the xda-dev archive.

TT_boy said:
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Actually, further speculation concludes that this is the correct rendering of that phone.

cr2 said:
The tears are coming into my eyes. It was already possible
to use Blueangel as a linux phone two years ago without any help from HTC
http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa
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Think of this though, we're struggling at the moment dealing with stability and functionality issues with WinMo on our devices made for that platform. How much more with a totally alien OS coded by a single individual. In as much as I think it was a great achievement, I do not think it was a workable substitute for WinMo. This however presents a huge posibility ..... my .02.

[INFO] - MeeGo Port on HD2 - Started!

I knew this is not about Android Development, but HD2 XDA, dont have another part to post about other SO developments.
I have read today in irc, that Cotulla, NetRipper and Dcordes, are going star today the project of porting Meego to HD2.
Lets see who gona have the meeGo on device, HD2 or Nexus(who start as well a project).
I would love to see meego in my HD2.
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Cotulla as done his work in NAND project, like he did in SPL and HSPL, now the issues of wifi must be done by other devs, because in cotulla device works fine.
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Awesome, I've been waiting for this. It will be an easier full-fledged Linux distro to use on our hd2s than ubuntu, as its meant for phones.
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if its the nokia modified image I will be a very satisfied camper (have you seen it? I mean my god it looks amazing)
but meego in itself is a good thing on our hd2...I can't wait because this is a true linux mobile OS to grace our phones
I heard there were issues in the 3d department from qualcomm so I'm not sure how it will function on the hd2
on the n1 it is a bit slow...

Still a long way to go though, since calls part based on alsa is just far from being usable...

all the best for bringing this to a good end!

OMG .. FIRST ANDROID AND NOW MEEGO ?!
Even Money (Donations) can't show how much we ALL APPRECIATE THE WORK !!
WELL DONE !
(I'm going to be the first who try it hope so ! )

Well I was half right, about Cottula getting bored after he finished NAND for Android...
LOL
Ref:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8366348&postcount=254

Beretta93 said:
Still a long way to go though, since calls part based on alsa is just far from being usable...
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dcordes I think almost broke alsa for the touch hd2 at least according to the htc-linux twitter

Amazing news, I have been waiting for this more than Android since my HD2 is only used a 2nd phone now. Big thanks to the Devs

Beretta93 said:
Still a long way to go though, since calls part based on alsa is just far from being usable...
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They talk alot about, that ALSA.
can someony explain to us, what is ALSA.
But you know, for cotulla nothing is impossible.....he is the only one, who have NAND android all funcionality.....with wifi.

pack21 said:
They talk alot about, that ALSA.
can someony explain to us, what is ALSA.
But you know, for cotulla nothing is impossible.....he is the only one, who have NAND android all funcionality.....with wifi.
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it be sound mon
http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page

pack21;8452234
But you know said:
So no hope for us the ordinary people to take nand rom in hd2.Ι think only cotulla is the master in all this and the others follow.
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omg if this IS in fact true, I hope it's true (l) this would be more than amazing I can't believe what I'm reading __happiness__

what exactly is meego? and what are the advantages of having it on my hd2?

Tico.ASandoval14 said:
what exactly is meego? and what are the advantages of having it on my hd2?
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Search Google. It's a high end Linux based phone OS being developed by Nokia and Intel. Unlike android, its a full fledged Linux distro, and is designed for small screens, so its another good option of phone OS that we could run on our hd2s. It will be great to have wm6.5, android, ubuntu, meego, and wp7 all able to boot on our phones. It gives a lot of choice.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

Maybe one day we can quadruple boot WinMo, Android, Ubuntu and Meego

pack21 said:
he is the only one, who have NAND android all funcionality.....with wifi.
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U forget about Chuck Norris men... He has WP7 on HD2 already...

muminisko said:
U forget about Chuck Norris men... He has WP7 on HD2 already...
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Ah ah really good one !

Great to hear meego will be ported. Can't wait for this to happen.

Any updates?

New mobile os "Sailfish OS" thoughts?

I dont know if anyone else has seen the news on a new os called sailfish.. by a company called jolla. I guess they are from old meego times..
Looks like they want it to run on all devices.. and even hope for andtoid apps support..
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Anyone interested.. maybe a port would be neatvto try,.. the two latest nexus phones are perfect because they have no nav buttons.. and the ui is buttonless.. all gesture and swiping.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/21/jolla-launches-sailfish-os/
Sdk.. https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Main_Page
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I don't see much of an opening for a new player in the Smartphone war but good for them for trying.

The name alone is awful. I wouldn't want it on my phone.
FireFox OS maybe.

It's free software, and no DRM, unlike Android. But like Replicant, it won't get market share.

Couple interesting features worth discussion IMO:
"true multitasking" was the main focus. Active programs can be pinned to the homescreen as tiles
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They also showed off a feature called "Ambiance," which uses colors from a picture you select to tint the UI
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I loved MeeGo on my Nokia N9 and its swiping setup. I would love to be able to use it on my Nexus (Sailfish, that is). MeeGo has way better multitasking than Android has.
In my opinion, MeeGo is the OS that just is the most fun to use. Albeit more limiting than Android.

dannejanne said:
MeeGo has way better multitasking than Android has.
In my opinion, MeeGo is the OS that just is the most fun to use. Albeit more limiting than Android.
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But without any apps to multitask with.
That's why I don't see room for a new player at this stage of the game. Android, iOS and even WP8 to a lesser extent are just too established for a newcomer to compete.

063_XOBX said:
But without any apps to multitask with.
That's why I don't see room for a new player at this stage of the game. Android, iOS and even WP8 to a lesser extent are just too established for a newcomer to compete.
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Good point. Though I am not an app person myself. It did have a good Spotify app (homebrew, that could actually search your own offline lists), a working Whatsapp (also way more customizable than any other whatsapp app) etc. It has a fairly strong dedicated community supporting it.
I hope Sailfish can handle Android apps as they claim. There's a Android logo 0:50 into their official introduction movie. I don't thing it will ever get "big". But a nice alternative for phone nerds like me.

Hi,
i'm one of the interested ones.
There is not really a lack of Apps. If we belive what they say, a lot of Android apps should run native on Sailfish. On the other hand there is a good system to port them.
There are not only the Nexus without software keys. The new Motorolla don't have them too. They're also open for developers.

I'm more of a breadfish guy...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yuf2nvDWCJY

bardzogrozny said:
Hi,
i'm one of the interested ones.
There is not really a lack of Apps. If we belive what they say, a lot of Android apps should run native on Sailfish. On the other hand there is a good system to port them.
There are not only the Nexus without software keys. The new Motorolla don't have them too. They're also open for developers.
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Problem is, Google will not license the play store to them.

So you think it will be to hard for ordinary users to install apps? Don't you think they will create an own store application wich uses the google account of the user to install apps?
Otherwise there is only left to port them.

Props to them for trying. I agree I don't see google letting them into the play store, because frankly it won't help their sales at all. If they deny them play store access, that new os will fade away and be forgotten. If they let it in, then it has potential to grow and be a competitor for google thus taking away from more android licenses being sold.
It will be neat to see, maybe spark ideas for the main 3 os companies to license from and improve. They should change the name so it doesnt sound like you are saying 'selfish' with a strong accent
bardzogrozny said:
So you think it will be to hard for ordinary users to install apps? Don't you think they will create an own store application wich uses the google account of the user to install apps?
Otherwise there is only left to port them.
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It will probably function like sideloading apps, youll have to download them to local storage and manually install them. Easy for us, but my parents? Heck no. lol

Looks like Metro and Android had a baby.
Meego should have been alowed to evolve under Nokia.

I think the buttonless ui is defintely interesting.. i would love to see a port attempt and just try itout..
I know i wouldnt use it daily driver.. but as a technerd i would love to try it out
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Trekfan422991 said:
I think the buttonless ui is defintely interesting.. i would love to see a port attempt and just try itout..
I know i wouldnt use it daily driver.. but as a technerd i would love to try it out
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I like the design too. But i would try to use it productive.
I hope the version for Tablet will be as good as this for phone.

adrynalyne said:
Problem is, Google will not license the play store to them.
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We're on XDA and that's what you are worried about?

Some of these features are looking really good! Hope to see it running on my phone very soon.

I can foresee this being ported to Nexus devices. Really looking forward to it.

good os but no devs
hi about the playstore u can hack it to the os and make it think it is running on android and using android phone not a real problem
u can install blackmart alpha or 1mobile market it looks like playstore
the real problem is there is no devs are working on this os!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why i think the android is boring sometimes and had to change it but when i look where to go the ios i hate it (don't ask why) cus i hate this apple but she has a cute phone only the 4s maybe some android ports make it good
tizen looks like bada
bada is app less (no apps)
webos who is care about it
firefox os its only for firefox browser in my mind
wp7/8 it is not open source
so the future os i think sailfish is
thanks.

Android compatibility confirmed and more!

http://jolla.com/media/documents/130916_press_release.pdf
Sailfish OS runs on common Android hardware
Jolla has made a major breakthrough in Android hardware compatibility by developing Sailfish OS to run on
common hardware produced for Android, particularly smartphones and tablets. Vendors interested to utilize
Sailfish OS are now able to develop phones and tablets based on many different chipset and hardware
configurations. This new level of compatibility will enable device vendors who use Sailfish OS to fully utilize the
existing Android hardware ecosystem.
Jolla believes that this breakthrough offers growth opportunities of significant scale for Sailfish OS globally,
especially in China. “We believe Sailfish with Android compatibility is a highly relevant mobile operating system
option for major mobile companies in Europe and in Asia. We are already in discussions with several major Asian
vendors regarding this opportunity,” says Tomi Pienimäki.
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I really hope that now I can get an Android port for my Xperia T

I was actually just recently imagining sailfish running on my gnex, hope it can became a reality, or even on the future nexus 5 or G2. Now that would be awesome.

zacomaco said:
I was actually just recently imagining sailfish running on my gnex, hope it can became a reality, or even on the future nexus 5 or G2. Now that would be awesome.
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If installing the OS on android hw by us will be that easy than how would they make money? Hopefully other companies will pay for it.

goosebumps4 said:
If installing the OS on android hw by us will be that easy than how would they make money? Hopefully other companies will pay for it.
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Mainly for exposure and to create interest like ubuntu attempted with their builds for the nexus devices earlier in the year.

uh oh! will you look at all those apps.
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Arty. said:
uh oh! will you look at all those apps.
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Congrats to all jolla fans. Now i will see around about the most wright android device to buy and install jolla on it =

Apparently they will announce the specs this week
(http://m.digitoday.fi/?page=showSingleNews&newsID=201312920 ... use google translate )

Was going to come here and write about this but you were faster! Couldn't do it at work. But most importantly, just tipped this! Hopefully we'll see it in XDA portal/news

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So possible to run dual boot :angel: :fingers-crossed:
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well looks like Sailfish OS will support nexus devices in the near future!!!
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https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/380226774698696704

zacomaco said:
well looks like Sailfish OS will support nexus devices in the near future!!!
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https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/380226774698696704
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without the official support of jolla.

Is there any hardware restriction of jolla OS?
Or the list of device which are available to run this OS smoothly like a charm?

Nope, but Jolla show us last year, that sailfish os works good on nokia N950/N9. N9 has 1 Ghz single Core and 1GB Ram.

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Or the list of device which are available to run this OS smoothly like a charm?
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Sailfish is not available, so there is such list. There is no source code, and no binaries available.

Sailfish OS will you libhybris for running on top of android hw.
here is QML demo on Qt5 on libhybris on Qualcomm chipset.
So atleast there is no major problems with 3D aceleration

don't get it
why do we need a whole new OS? if the apps and the HW is android, why not just create an elaborate android skin and be done with it? by the end of the day, this is what it is- a glorified android skin...
BTW, this is just a comment, not an attack...

natalietsur said:
why do we need a whole new OS? if the apps and the HW is android, why not just create an elaborate android skin and be done with it? by the end of the day, this is what it is- a glorified android skin...
BTW, this is just a comment, not an attack...
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Why another android skin? Why not create a whole new OS? If, 5 years ago, Google think like you today we haven't Android. It's the same story that repeat itself again, again and again...

natalietsur said:
why do we need a whole new OS? if the apps and the HW is android, why not just create an elaborate android skin and be done with it? by the end of the day, this is what it is- a glorified android skin...
BTW, this is just a comment, not an attack...
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SailfishOS is free as in freedom, Android is not that free
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Someone posted instructions on how to port the SDK image of Sailfish over to N9 on jollausers.com . This is only the basic UI and it's missing all the main Jolla apps like calls, maps, mail, browser, sms, camera, etc.. It's just for dev's so they can test their apps.
From that page comments section
username mike7b4 his comment lays it down for you:
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Notice that Jolla will never have full resources to FULLY port Sailfishos to N9.
What they will do is probadly update the image guide at merproject wiki how to make sailfish image from kickstart file etc…
Then its upto the community to make:
1. GFX driver with Wayland work smooth most important issue. So if you are a GFX hacker start work
2. Make GPS work (those bits are closed source so we have to reverse engineer that stuff because GPS lacks public specs how the Nokia propirairity binary protocol works
3. Make NFC work (same here the daemon in Harmattan is closed source, maybe we can use midlayer from android via libhybris or rewite from scratch)
4. Make sure dialing/sms works and make an UI or use nemo UI because AFAIK that bits is not included in sailfishSDK?
5. Settings app for wifi etc.. Here we can probadly reuse nemo settings apps that is okey
6. Make camera work again right now its not working sice X11 -> Wayland AFAIK
7. Make wifi working(it actually works we just need to make the nemo settings app work)
8. Make USB SDK mode not disconnect
Stuff that we probadly never will see:
1. Core sailfish apps like GPS app/cameraapp and so on.
2. Android Compability layer.
But right now the most important step IMHO is to make sure USB/Wifi connections works so developers can test our sailfish apps on a real device when waiting for our Jollas
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I'm not a developer but this guy sounds like he knows what needs to be done.

windows 10 mobile to android

can anyone please tell me the way to convert windows phone to android...????
my phone is lumia 730 dual sim ..i have seen lot of links and searched a lot but i cant find and any answer

ashishakash said:
can anyone please tell me the way to convert windows phone to android...????
my phone is lumia 730 dual sim ..i have seen lot of links and searched a lot but i cant find and any answer
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I have no idea why you would even want to do that, what a waste of a perfectly good phone that would be. Android SUCKS, having said that I'm fairly certain nobody has done that yet (and even if they did manage to, it will be plagued with driver issues). If you are really serious about running Android stuff on it, I would look at the Android for Windows bridge, some people have got a bunch of apps running on top of win10m.

darkfires said:
I have no idea why you would even want to do that, what a waste of a perfectly good phone that would be. Android SUCKS
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Does that explain why windows phone has 80% market share? Oh wait...

recently MS released WM10 roms for mi phones which worked really well , so if we are able to tweak those roms and firmware , we might be able to port them to other android devices

I would rather looking forward to run Windows 10 Mobile on Android Device.
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I hope we see growth in this type of emulation. Just look at Winulator. That project had so much promise but it was just 1 guy and he abandoned it citing problems with piracy. If that app was perfected you could literally run 99% of directx games ever made natively on any decently powered Android device without having to buy a Surface or some other overpriced MS product. MS still has the gaming industry by the balls, has been that way since we were forced to go to windows 95 because games were developed that wouldn't run on 3.11 anymore.

You can install ANDROID on Lumia Devices now https://youtu.be/cRt575WRzt8

Lololololololol
darkfires said:
I have no idea why you would even want to do that, what a waste of a perfectly good phone that would be. Android SUCKS, having said that I'm fairly certain nobody has done that yet (and even if they did manage to, it will be plagued with driver issues). If you are really serious about running Android stuff on it, I would look at the Android for Windows bridge, some people have got a bunch of apps running on top of win10m.
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LOOOOOOL ---- Why dont you check Android sales -vs- windows phone sale and see who the winner is?! I'm willing to bet $5000 cash that anything you can do on your windows phone I can do better, faster, & more complete with my Android. In other words, put your money where your mouth is!
HEIL WINDOWS
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You can't have 10 apps on the home screen showing live notifications (live tiles) has the Windows 10 mobile does...
When will you pay me?

Convert Windows to Android
ashishakash said:
can anyone please tell me the way to convert windows phone to android...????
my phone is lumia 730 dual sim ..i have seen lot of links and searched a lot but i cant find and any answer
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In my opinion you should not convert your windows phone to an android. Rather you should buy a new android phone. But if you really are not open to buying a new one so try this Android View App. In this way you can at least get the Android UI on your windows phone.

AiOGajo said:
You can't have 10 apps on the home screen showing live notifications (live tiles) has the Windows 10 mobile does...
When will you pay me?
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uh yeah you pretty much can. depends on what you mean by "live tiles" but there are def launchers with live icons and if you really wanted to you could code a live tile launcher that works exactly the same without too much trouble. i had a nokia lumina 710 running wp7 years ago. it was an awful piece of garbage. there was no app development for it at all (not even instagram lol) and even after modding there was very little you could do with it. im sure the platform has progressed since then but nothing beats the huge amount of rom and app dev for android. android is definitely the most flexible and capable mobile operating system but i wouldnt mind having a little side chick windows phone to play with.
as for OP.....yeah probably not gonna happen anytime soon. nobody has time to completely rewrite all the drivers and kernels and firmware and what not from the ground up as is necessary for running an operating system that is systemically varied from the software the hardware was made with in mind. someone mentioned that there was some kind of official builds for some devices and they are right its possible those roms could be ported or something, def your best hope but dont hold your breath