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JBQ posted:
Setting up AOSP support for Crespo meant that I had to drop Dream and
Sapphire. That opened up more possibilities about using AOSP on retail
devices: the only variants of Dream and Sapphire that were designed
for AOSP work were the ADP1 and ADP2, which are rare, whereas any
retail Nexus S can be unlocked. Nexus S gives you both the openness
that comes with the ability to unlock it and the security that comes
with the ability to lock it back.
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(emphasis mine)
Could the ability to unlock and relock the bootloader have been planned by El Goog? Is this a part of a business model? Does Google find this to be ideal? Are they, perhaps, recognizing the developer community, and showing a commitment to be even more open?
Samsung has had some "oversights" lately. I want to say there was something with the Galaxy S and rooting, but I'm not remembering well. I know that the Vibrant came with AT&T frequencies, yet was launched on TMo. There was a very simple way to enable those frequencies, because the unlock codes were stored on the phone. Now we've got the ability to unlock and relock a bootloader on the S. The unlocking of frequencies could be an oversight, as well as the bootloader. Or is this something that's been planned, with input from Google? Could Google have found a partner who's willing to be as open as possible?
I just found it a very interesting comment. Perhaps I make too much of it...
Thought for sure I'd get a response out of this. No one finds it interesting?
The Nexus One has "fastboot oem unlock" but not lock.
I'm guessing Google just told Samsung to add a lock command and will most likely tell all future "Nexus" handset manufacturers to do the same.
Very doubtful these commands will ever make it to any other Android device aside from the Nexus line.
I suppose they saw that they were getting tons of N1s returned with unlocked bootloaders and they repaired them anyways, so they probably decided to just allow the "lock" function to be used...
Although it really doesn't change anything tbh, and if it works like the lock, it will wipe everything on the phone which kinda sucks
As it was said, it is very doubtful we will see that kind of easy unlocking on other devices! This is a dev device, so it has to be "more open" to allow devs more flexibility.
I don't think Google ignores the dev community and I'm pretty sure they are happy it exists, because it makes Android better (I wouldn't be surprised if some of the official features were inspired from here and there )
I think you're correct in Google is simply making it easier for developers to root and flash custom Android builds to the phone. "Fastboot oem unlock/lock" are planned features of this phone according to Tim Bray, so there is no question.
One of the points made during the "Is Android Open" debate around the blogs/twitter was that the OS may be open, but there isn't much hardware that is. They probably paid attention to the debate seeing as Andy Rubin himself weighed in, as such we continue to see the Google experience phone as being open (enough).
On a side note: when the NS was released, every blog I saw (Engadget too) ran a headline about how quickly the phone was rooted.. If you run an Android-specific blog and held this opinion, seriously check yourself cause you're an idiot. I've been trying since January to find a "go to" Android specific blog and it doesn't exist. Still best just letting Engadget/BGR/Lifehacker filter the BS
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I think you're correct in Google is simply making it easier for developers to root and flash custom Android builds to the phone. "Fastboot oem unlock/lock" are planned features of this phone according to Tim Bray, so there is no question.
One of the points made during the "Is Android Open" debate around the blogs/twitter was that the OS may be open, but there isn't much hardware that is. They probably paid attention to the debate seeing as Andy Rubin himself weighed in, as such we continue to see the Google experience phone as being open (enough).
On a side note: when the NS was released, every blog I saw (Engadget too) ran a headline about how quickly the phone was rooted.. If you run an Android-specific blog and held this opinion, seriously check yourself cause you're an idiot. I've been trying since January to find a "go to" Android specific blog and it doesn't exist. Still best just letting Engadget/BGR/Lifehacker filter the BS
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I like this one:
http://www.androidpolice.com/
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The Nexus One has "fastboot oem unlock" but not lock.
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That's not entirely true. Nexus One's with S-OFF can use the fastboot oem lock command to re-lock their bootloaders. It's just that there's not many of them floating around!
I know its too early but what do you guys this about rooting/custom roms for venice?
BB ceo said (something along the lines) that they will only make an android device if it is secured enough. WOuld that mean a locked bootloader etc? Moreover, it is using a much more secure kernel (http://berryflow.com/2015/09/blackberrys-android-slider-using-hardened-linux-kernel/) and i've read that some beginner's tools (eg enabling developer's options, sideloading apps etc) are blocked.
So what do you guys think? As for me, I believe in this community and i know one way or another, we will be able to install our favourite custom roms/apps on venice. Although I dont know if it would happen 2 days after launch of 2 years after the device reaches the market!
Btw cant wait for the device! I hope blackberry becomes a force again after this phone. I'll buy it the day it's bootloader gets unlocked + root is acheived
Do you have a source on the Priv blocking sideloaded apps? That would be very unfortunate. Locked bootloader is a given but I would still like to be able to install my favorite apks.
I can't see things like developer options/USB debugging etc being outright blocked. That just seems like a great way to alienate the majority of the userbase that a device like this is targeted towards.
This is my main concern... I want this phone, badly. But after having a G4, having to wait for root and still not having any decent roms I won't get the Priv if it doesn't at least get root. It's stock-ish android so I can deal with lack of roms but no root, no sale.
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No idea why anyone here thinks they would do that. Even on BB10 devices installing apks is allowed - and they sure wouldn´t do otherwise on an Android device - that would be crazy.
and yes, bl will be locked and encrypted - root - well that will be something to wait for.
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Bootloader WILL be locked, that's a no brainer. But locking out sideloading, developer options is not possible without TOTALLY killing interest and sales. Blackberry desperately needs Priv to succeed. This is their last chance to avoid becoming the next Nokia. So no, we will have at least sideloading available. Honestly, it doesn't matter if they lock out all these essential features, if they release at least the kernel source and device tree day-and-date with the phone. If you have these, we're better off building a CM 12 (or 13:fingers-crossed ROM for the Priv.
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Do you have a source on the Priv blocking sideloaded apps? That would be very unfortunate. Locked bootloader is a given but I would still like to be able to install my favorite apks.
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sorry I cant give you a source. I read this on reditt or a blog post
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Bootloader WILL be locked, that's a no brainer. But locking out sideloading, developer options is not possible without TOTALLY killing interest and sales. Blackberry desperately needs Priv to succeed. This is their last chance to avoid becoming the next Nokia. So no, we will have at least sideloading available. Honestly, it doesn't matter if they lock out all these essential features, if they release at least the kernel source and device tree day-and-date with the phone. If you have these, we're better off building a CM 12 (or 13:fingers-crossed ROM for the Priv.
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hmm. So do you think it would be possible to unlock the bootloader or it can never be unlocked?
btw slightly offtopic, but is there any phone which has a completely locked bootloader (ie has never been unlocked)?
Welp a leaked pic about the security settings confirms developer options can be enabled, so sideloaded apps is probably a go to. False alarm, peeps!
Zer0.exe said:
Welp a leaked pic about the security settings confirms developer options can be enabled, so sideloaded apps is probably a go to. False alarm, peeps!
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Link?
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Link?
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http://n4bb.com/blackberry-priv-64-bit-4k-video-confirmed/
The beautiful glass weave is also shown off. I love it on my Z30.
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http://n4bb.com/blackberry-priv-64-bit-4k-video-confirmed/
The beautiful glass weave is also shown off. I love it on my Z30.
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Thanks for that! I am really looking forward to this device. Im all or nothing on this with my Nexus 6 right now.
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hmm. So do you think it would be possible to unlock the bootloader or it can never be unlocked?
btw slightly offtopic, but is there any phone which has a completely locked bootloader (ie has never been unlocked)?
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there must be some poor phone that didn't get a bootloader unlock, and I firmly believe the Priv is gonna join their ranks as soon as it gets released.
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btw slightly offtopic, but is there any phone which has a completely locked bootloader (ie has never been unlocked)?
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Look at the recent crop of AT&T and Verizon Samsung phones. Their bootloader are locked up tighter then...... Well we will just say their locked down [emoji1]
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http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/...aked-hands-on-photos-plus-official-images.jpg In fact, this image outright confirms that you can sideload/ use developer options.
I wouldn't count on too much. The developer options could have easily been changed and some removed. As BB main selling point is security I expect this device to be one of the harder ones to crack.
As for the bootloader questions. Yes there have been a few that were uncrackable, a dirty hack to by pass has worked on some.
I imagine root is just a matter of time. Unless they lock the system partition, which other manufacturers have done in the past (Looking at you HTC). Even so, it has been done and s-on/off has been cracked before. Alternatives to locking include e-fuses, like in legacy motorola devices.
Bootloaders on the other hand, we're probably going to have to get some concrete evidence. It is most likely locked in my personal opinion.
This is all just speculation. Hopefully Blackberry can find a good balance.
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I imagine root is just a matter of time. Unless they lock the system partition, which other manufacturers have done in the past (Looking at you HTC). Even so, it has been done and s-on/off has been cracked before. Alternatives to locking include e-fuses, like in legacy motorola devices.
Bootloaders on the other hand, we're probably going to have to get some concrete evidence. It is most likely locked in my personal opinion.
This is all just speculation. Hopefully Blackberry can find a good balance.
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The efuze us still used in many devices and if I know blackberry they will have it check against its servers for security. Once it detects root it will most likely disable the device. Or most of the functions that use BB servers. Remember everything is routed through Blackberrys servers in Canada so if their servers go do so does the device.
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Once it detects root it will most likely disable the device. Or most of the functions that use BB servers.
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I would be completely fine with them locking out the BB services when root is discovered. But locking down the hardware would be overstepping their bounds. It's our hardware, not theirs. I know that doesn't mean they couldn't still do it, I just think it would be a jerk move.
It would be like if Microsoft bricked xbox machines that have been modded. They don't, they just ban you from XBox Live if they detect it. I think it should be the same approach.
Yes but even MS has locked the bootloader on Many of their 32 bit machines now. Also I have a link that you might want to read where is passed then modding our devices at all will become illegal.
https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp
We might have seen what S8 now is / will be...
Let us discuss here, what is the most compelling feature/reason for you to buy a S8.
Hi Moderator,
can you move this thread to News & Discussion from Q&A section as this has been posted incorrectly and also poll list Bigger screen size into Moderate Screen Size (compare to S8+) and another poll entry with "Soft Key Navigation"
Revealed today.
There really is not enough new to warrant changing my 8 months old S7E.
Bring on the Note 8 or S9.
I just pre-order my S8+ !! Can't wait to get it the 22 april !!
The reasons I WON'T be getting the S8:
Facial Recognition (intrusive)
IRIS Scanner (intrusive)
Fingerprint Scanner (intrusive)
Bixby (Hal, Oblivion)
No IR Blaster (DSLR)
No SPen (Note user NECESSITY)
Enclosed Battery
What are the Pro's, then?
Screen
360
Processor
Camera
Water Resistance
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The reasons I WON'T be getting any phone:
Enclosed Battery
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Good luck getting any future phone with a removable battery.
I am thinking of tracking down another Note Edge.... I feel like I am losing a number of useful features by buying an S8+ as a replacement for my old Note Edge.
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I am thinking of tracking down another Note Edge.... I feel like I am losing a number of useful features by buying an S8+ as a replacement for my old Note Edge.
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Yup, existing Note 4 user here, still going strong. Was a pre-ordered Note 7 customer and now look where we are today...
The live 'unboxing' presentation just made me nauseous. "Partnered with Google" "Working alongside Microsoft"
I see where this is going. I am done. Back to Nature.
Actual Reality > Virtual Reality all. day. long.
I voted the ones more important. But I'll tell you the ones that I absolutely do not find interesting: Bixby and Samsung Connect.
I have my own DDNS service running, so I do not need any cloud service from Samsung to get the status of my home smart devices. Bixby is replicating Google Assistant functionality, so it's more bloat added to the system and more companies with my life's metadata and data. As it wasn't hard enough to block such information leaks.
Dex, IP68, accessores, IRIS scanner and face recognition are cool.
All of the above items, but the S8+ 6.2 Screen is number one!
I am looking forward to Bluetooth 5.0 and better security logon. I hate the fingerprint reader. Whenever I golf, it can't read my fingerprint for a few days. Especially when I re-grip my clubs!!
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I voted the ones more important. But I'll tell you the ones that I absolutely do not find interesting: Bixby and Samsung Connect.
I have my own DDNS service running, so I do not need any cloud service from Samsung to get the status of my home smart devices. Bixby is replicating Google Assistant functionality, so it's more bloat added to the system and more companies with my life's metadata and data. As it wasn't hard enough to block such information leaks.
Dex, IP68, accessores, IRIS scanner and face recognition are cool.
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It's actually the complete opposite of Google Assistant. It's embedded deep into the core functionality of the phone. Assistant is mainly for providing you information, with a few basic control features on top while Bixby allows much control over the device hardware and software via voice commands. It's a new feature that will need time to develop, Samsung wants to give you the option to do everything on your phone without having to touch it. One day you might not have to.
It's not for everyone though, you won't have to use it.
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It's actually the complete opposite of Google Assistant. It's embedded deep into the core functionality of the phone. Assistant is mainly for providing you information, with a few basic control features on top while Bixby allows much control over the device hardware and software via voice commands. It's a new feature that will need time to develop, Samsung wants to give you the option to do everything on your phone without having to touch it. One day you might not have to.
It's not for everyone though, you won't have to use it.
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I don't see how it can be completely the opposite. It has more control over your device to provide information.
the curve screen and the new specks
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It's actually the complete opposite of Google Assistant. It's embedded deep into the core functionality of the phone. Assistant is mainly for providing you information, with a few basic control features on top while Bixby allows much control over the device hardware and software via voice commands. It's a new feature that will need time to develop, Samsung wants to give you the option to do everything on your phone without having to touch it. One day you might not have to.
It's not for everyone though, you won't have to use it.
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Does the world really need another assistant? Fragmentation is already bad enough on Android. So expecting from app developers to implement voice commands for other assistants besides Googles own doesn't seem like a smart move.
not much improvement over the S7/S7Edge.. high price for a little bit extra. Fingerprint on the back, really?
Going for the HTC U (Ocean, SD835) or wait for Note 8
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Does the world really need another assistant? Fragmentation is already bad enough on Android. So expecting from app developers to implement voice commands for other assistants besides Googles own doesn't seem like a smart move.
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I do see your point and you are right about the fragmentation. That's the problem with open source. Companies want to go their own separate ways with it. AI is the next logical step in technology though. In the far future I don't imagine people still tapping away on screens, we will have Robotics and very advanced AI systems providing us with all the information we need.
Googles Assistant is a great bit of software and I use it a fair bit. It just can't integrate deep enough with every device, because of the fragmentation you mention. If we only had Google devices it would become a lot more useful.
I won't have that much need for Bixby but Samsung saw the need in the Mass market, or else they would not have bothered. There will be many that do actually want it. Especially disabled people and for use while driving. Samsung can hook it deep into the core functionality and allow control over every aspect of the device...one day.
Apple can do what they want as they have full control over their software and hardware. Samsung are trying to do the same thing. As they are one of the only Android phone makers that actually make a profit, they might make a success of it. Who knows.
I think we will see some rival OS in the future, they come and go. I can't see Android and iOS lasting forever. Samsung will go their own way one day.
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I don't see how it can be completely the opposite. It has more control over your device to provide information.
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Maybe I exaggerated some what lol. What I meant is that Bixby is Samsung's attempt at allowing hands free control over their phones. It's the start, so I expect it to get better with time and allow for almost total control. It won't just be for information. You will be able to control the camera, edit photos via voice commands, turn things on and off and do most of the things you have to touch the screen for. Handy if you're disabled or unable to hold your phone at the time.
I doubt I'll be using it much but it's still nice to gain new features. There will always be those that do have a use for it. Hopefully those that don't, will have the option to disregard it entirely.
Screen and camera are my main reasons. Plus after about 9 years with HTC phones, since the fuze, it's time for a change. And 64gb internal is a nice bonus.
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if it came whit unlockable bootloader im in
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if it came whit unlockable bootloader im in
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That's a bad bet...
Hi, I know that the P10 Lite is going to get the Emui 8.0, but I was wondering if it will get the huawei face unlock too. Other huawei phones have already gotten it, so will the P10 Lite get it?
ILoveZed said:
Hi, I know that the P10 Lite is going to get the Emui 8.0, but I was wondering if it will get the huawei face unlock too. Other huawei phones have already gotten it, so will the P10 Lite get it?
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We'll find out when someone gets access to the update (beta or release).
I wouldn't recommend anyone actually use it if it does get added. It's horribly insecure to use any kind of face unlock without the hardware to make it secure. Practically anyone would be able to unlock your device with little preparation. Even with a good software implementation, it's still relatively easy to cheat it.
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We'll find out when someone gets access to the update (beta or release).
I wouldn't recommend anyone actually use it if it does get added. It's horribly insecure to use any kind of face unlock without the hardware to make it secure. Practically anyone would be able to unlock your device with little preparation. Even with a good software implementation, it's still relatively easy to cheat it.
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Hi, it sounds like a cool feature and I wanted to try it. If it comes I think that I will use it, because I really don't care if someone sees my photos and all of that stuff and I don't have friends that will steal my phone, if someone steal my phone he will probably don't even try to hack it. There are really not that much people like this in my city plus that I am not something like a secret agent, so... ?
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Hi, it sounds like a cool feature and I wanted to try it. If it comes I think that I will use it, because I really don't care if someone sees my photos and all of that stuff and I don't have friends that will steal my phone, if someone steal my phone he will probably don't even try to hack it. There are really not that much people like this in my city plus that I am not something like a secret agent, so... ?
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Certainly. I just wanted to warn you (or anyone reading it) that it's not actually secure. It can add a tiny deterrent too so it's not as bad as slide to unlock for example.
Some of the problems with it is that without additional sensors it relies on a 2D image to recognize you. Sometimes it can unlock via photos of you or people who look similar. That's why Apple's facial recognition works: multiple sensors that are very difficult to cheat and requires targeted prep work to even succeed hence a random pickpocket won't be able to do anything.
You can add software tricks such as checking for eye blinking to determine if it's a live person and use software algorithms to increase accuracy but these can be cheated which is why I don't think even Google's AI team could develop a safe method that only needs a camera.
Just wanted to explain why the software solution is generally a bad idea if security is important to you.
I think you may get your wish though. I don't see why Huawei wouldn't do it. After Apple did it, it seems like it has become a sought after feature again but these companies don't tell you that it's not the same as what Apple did which is unfortunate for most people if they get a false sense of security.
Finger print is still quite secure though and fast too
Probably not, Lite gets a lot of features cut. A lot of them can be unlocked with build.prop editing, but we'll have to wait to know for sure.
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Hi, I know that the P10 Lite is going to get the Emui 8.0, but I was wondering if it will get the huawei face unlock too. Other huawei phones have already gotten it, so will the P10 Lite get it?
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No bro. I have the Huawei p10 lite with the Oreo 8.0.sumn
And It doesn't come with face unlock. Everything else is ok but the camera. They deliberately ****ed up the once almost perfect camera that the phone came with too. I'll advice you root the hell out of that **** bro??
But one positive is that they keep rolling out Google security patches every single month
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No bro. I have the Huawei p10 lite with the Oreo 8.0.sumn
And It doesn't come with face unlock. Everything else is ok but the camera. They deliberately ****ed up the once almost perfect camera that the phone came with too. I'll advice you root the hell out of that **** bro
But one positive is that they keep rolling out Google security patches every single month
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Well the phone is now in my dad's pocket and he doesnt really care about the camera and all of this. Now I am with a S9+ and I have the face unlock feature. I actually use it quite often XD
I think a few of us did, but I'm returning mine. The quality and community just isn't there.
I have it. I am digging it. Hoping the community gets a little stronger but if not, I am still happy. FTR, I am rocking a Pixel 3 XL and a One Plus 6T as well.
I got it, loving it so far.
I have one, and am loving it as well. But the accessory community is depressing, especially with what seems available for the 1. Still, holding out hope yet....
Few days ago I went to 3 shop in the UK with intention of choosing between Pixel 3 XL, Note 9 and Mate 20Pro. But just one look at this beauty changed my mind. It has been years since I have seen android phone design I really liked. I hope that accesories will become available but it is not a deal braker for me. I ordered green case from razer as for the rest I do not care that much. I use magnetic holder for a car so nothing changes here. Bluetooth headset you can choose whatever you like. Actualy only case is phone specific acessory for me nowadays...
Coming from razer 1
This phone is amazing
Since razer 1, the advances are:
* Vibration motor actually works as you'd expect
* Camera, specifically with GCam is outstanding compared to Razer 1 (same Sony lenses as Pixel 3 - we have big potential.)
* Waterproof, bonus
* Screen slightly but evidently brighter
* Loudspeaker incall volume is louder/clearer
* Speakers are just as loud and true as Razer 1
* The overall speed enhanced with 845cpu, not that the Razer 1 was a slug, it was actually the fastest user experience until this Razer 2.
Honestly, all that marketed placebo they place on us with the big shot companies doesn't phase me... This phone is unprecedented. If you know tech and don't buy a phone based on the quality of its camera facility like most folk, then this is the connoisseurs choice.
Forget the development community, it didn't exist on Razer 1, not do I expect it to here. However it's not needed. The phone is already 99% stock without bloat.
The phone is G.O.A.T
dillalade said:
Coming from razer 1
This phone is amazing
Since razer 1, the advances are:
* Vibration motor actually works as you'd expect
* Camera, specifically with GCam is outstanding compared to Razer 1 (same Sony lenses as Pixel 3 - we have big potential.)
* Waterproof, bonus
* Screen slightly but evidently brighter
* Loudspeaker incall volume is louder/clearer
* Speakers are just as loud and true as Razer 1
* The overall speed enhanced with 845cpu, not that the Razer 1 was a slug, it was actually the fastest user experience until this Razer 2.
Honestly, all that marketed placebo they place on us with the big shot companies doesn't phase me... This phone is unprecedented. If you know tech and don't buy a phone based on the quality of its camera facility like most folk, then this is the connoisseurs choice.
Forget the development community, it didn't exist on Razer 1, not do I expect it to here. However it's not needed. The phone is already 99% stock without bloat.
The phone is G.O.A.T
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While I do not really expect huge custom ROM support, a reliable root method that doesn't trip safetynet (and thus still allows android pay) would be enough for me to buy it.
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While I do not really expect huge custom ROM support, a reliable root method that doesn't trip safetynet (and thus still allows android pay) would be enough for me to buy it.
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And TWRP and Xposed of course
As for custom ROM stuff, it seems to be off to a good start. No need to be plugged in to get into fastboot anymore. It's actually surprisingly easy to get the button combo right (Vol- and Pwr). The bootloader even has an unlock menu option so the bootloader can even be unlocked without a PC involved! I've never seen that before lol. It bodes well. I did kernel dev for some of my previous devices so I'm really eager for those sources. Hopefully they keep up that end of the bargain.
I think I'm getting one, just want to see it and the OnePlus 6T in person before I decide. Any thoughts on how long it will take to get root? That's pretty important to me, but not having it right away isn't a problem.
Schizzlefuzz said:
I think I'm getting one, just want to see it and the OnePlus 6T in person before I decide. Any thoughts on how long it will take to get root? That's pretty important to me, but not having it right away isn't a problem.
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It becomes possible but difficult when kernel sources drop, and pretty much guaranteed when factory images become available, provided Razer didn't make any significant security enhancements to stock Android (unlikely though). Razer released the sources fairly soon after the first one released, but that's not a guarantee.
EDIT: come to think it's possible earlier if someone manages to capture an OTA with a kernel image. I didn't think of that while unboxing and just let it update
EDIT2: Managed to coax bootloader to switch back to old slot so I can take the OTA again. Or brick it. Will see I guess
One point against Razer for the bootloader still being a finicky, terrifying mess. At least it's easier to get into now...
EDIT3: OK capturing the OTA not going so well before the device is set up cause ADB is not available and its downloaded through a verified SSL connection. Will have to wait for the next one
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It becomes possible but difficult when kernel sources drop, and pretty much guaranteed when factory images become available, provided Razer didn't make any significant security enhancements to stock Android (unlikely though). Razer released the sources fairly soon after the first one released, but that's not a guarantee.
EDIT: come to think it's possible earlier if someone manages to capture an OTA with a kernel image. I didn't think of that while unboxing and just let it update
EDIT2: Managed to coax bootloader to switch back to old slot so I can take the OTA again. Or brick it. Will see I guess
One point against Razer for the bootloader still being a finicky, terrifying mess. At least it's easier to get into now...
EDIT3: OK capturing the OTA not going so well before the device is set up cause ADB is not available and its downloaded through a verified SSL connection. Will have to wait for the next one
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Well I ended up getting it and will have it tomorrow if you want me to do something to help out.
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As for custom ROM stuff, it seems to be off to a good start. No need to be plugged in to get into fastboot anymore. It's actually surprisingly easy to get the button combo right (Vol- and Pwr). The bootloader even has an unlock menu option so the bootloader can even be unlocked without a PC involved! I've never seen that before lol. It bodes well. I did kernel dev for some of my previous devices so I'm really eager for those sources. Hopefully they keep up that end of the bargain.
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Where is this being discussed? The forum here is barren and r/razerphone isn't showing much news either.
Schizzlefuzz said:
Well I ended up getting it and will have it tomorrow if you want me to do something to help out.
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Unfortunately not much can be done while setting it up since the wizard's response to trying to get past the update screen is a firm "YOU SHALL NOT PASS". The ota link can potentially be captured only on a fully set up phone through ADB or a bug report. So we have to wait for the next OTA or a source/image drop from Razer if we want to root safely.
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jaredtritsch said:
Where is this being discussed? The forum here is barren and r/razerphone isn't showing much news either.
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I was just commenting on the ease of unlocking which is usually a prerequisite. I'm not saying there's already dev going on, just that the device seems like a good candidate
I've got one. I think it's great! Haven't unlocked the bootloader or anything yet. For me, the battery life has been very impressive. I don't have a ton of apps, nor do I game really, but I can easily get it to last 2 days with 4 hours of Screen On Time and several hours of phone calls with 20% battery left.
translucentfocus said:
I've got one. I think it's great! Haven't unlocked the bootloader or anything yet. For me, the battery life has been very impressive. I don't have a ton of apps, nor do I game really, but I can easily get it to last 2 days with 4 hours of Screen On Time and several hours of phone calls with 20% battery left.
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VZW??
deafmetal1 said:
VZW??
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Yes
translucentfocus said:
Yes
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So did you have to call to get the CDMA-less profile added?
jal3223 said:
So did you have to call to get the CDMA-less profile added?
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No, I did not. I originally tried using an older SIM that I had in my previous phone & the phone worked... but txts would not come through. When I finally relented and tried to use the BYOD wizard on verizonwireless.com--the website said I needed a new SIM for my phone.
So, I brought my Razer Phone 2 to the Verizon Store (this is a day or two after Verizon had certified the phone). The Verizon Rep, who was assisting me, brought out a handful of sim cards and tried scanning each one with a handheld scanner. It took several tries, but she found one that I'm assuming their system would accept and then I was good to go. Based on my observations, it looks like the phone requires a pretty-specific SIM card for Verizon's system to activate it.
Doubt this helps you though.