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Flood the comments section with OnePlus X, let's hope that it catches the eye of one of the developers! xD
http://www.xda-developers.com/which-device-do-you-want-an-android-7-0-nougat-custom-rom-on/
Isn't it too early for this thread?, The community build of marshmallow has just been released and we still have more to explore. Anyway i hope some developer may start working soon and we can taste the flavor of Nougat. CHEERS. ?
The important fact is that the OPX might never get official Nougat releases due to Qualcomm ceasing support for their 800/801 SoC (they won't be getting OpenGL ES 3.1, which is needed for official Android 7.0 releases).
This is going to impact on over 50 android smartphones.
Source: https://developer.qualcomm.com/foru...-hardware/mobile-gaming-graphics-adreno/27936
shatteringlass said:
The important fact is that the OPX might never get official Nougat releases due to Qualcomm ceasing support for their 800/801 SoC (they won't be getting OpenGL ES 3.1, which is needed for official Android 7.0 releases).
This is going to impact on over 50 android smartphones.
Source: https://developer.qualcomm.com/foru...-hardware/mobile-gaming-graphics-adreno/27936
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damn. Well, is there any way around this?
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Isn't it too early for this thread?, The community build of marshmallow has just been released and we still have more to explore. Anyway i hope some developer may start working soon and we can taste the flavor of Nougat. CHEERS. ?
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Well, no it's not early. We have been using Marshmallow on OnePlus X thanks to our beloved developers since a long time now. We've given up hope on OnePlus, it's all on our developers now
I don't think the news about sd 800/801 being incompatible is true, because Nexus 5 has already received a 7.0 build (alpha) and Xperia Z3 also got dev previews. Both of these are sd 800/801 devices. And also the OnePlus One:
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I don't think the news about sd 800/801 being incompatible is true, because Nexus 5 has already received a 7.0 build (alpha) and Xperia Z3 also got dev previews. Both of these are sd 800/801 devices. And also the OnePlus One:
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Not a post, my friend sent it.
yup..z3 already got N dev preview..anyway it doesnt matter if opx dont get official N if we can get CM nougat from our dev ?
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Well, no it's not early. We have been using Marshmallow on OnePlus X thanks to our beloved developers since a long time now. We've given up hope on OnePlus, it's all on our developers now
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The OP X is a phone with less a year. They should provide at least 24 months of support.
Abandoning the support isn't exactly what I (and other customers I suppose) was searching for (I bought the OPX at day one).
Letting the support to the developers isn't the solution, because the are not paid and everything they do is for free and with less instruments. All of us paid OP for supporting.
If they aren't supporting anymore OPX surely I'm not going to buy an other OP and probably neither an Android. every year we are here to reading and expecting if a phone would be upgraded to the newest version. If you buy a high end phone certanly this will get 24 months of support, but if you are going to buy a midrange, you are going to pray for some updates. All the phone makers are just making fun of us.
A comparison: iphone 4s launched in 2011 with ios 5 and its lust update was ios 9. 4 year of support!
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yup..z3 already got N dev preview..anyway it doesnt matter if opx dont get official N if we can get CM nougat from our dev
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The only reason Z3 got developer preview is because sony n google want to test Android 7.0 on SD 800/801 powered devices
I guess their attempt ended up as a failure and so Z3 has been excluded from Sony update tree for Android 7.0
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The OP X is a phone with less a year. They should provide at least 24 months of support.
Abandoning the support isn't exactly what I (and other customers I suppose) was searching for (I bought the OPX at day one).
Letting the support to the developers isn't the solution, because the are not paid and everything they do is for free and with less instruments. All of us paid OP for supporting.
If they aren't supporting anymore OPX surely I'm not going to buy an other OP and probably neither an Android. every year we are here to reading and expecting if a phone would be upgraded to the newest version. If you buy a high end phone certanly this will get 24 months of support, but if you are going to buy a midrange, you are going to pray for some updates. All the phone makers are just making fun of us.
A comparison: iphone 4s launched in 2011 with ios 5 and its lust update was ios 9. 4 year of support!
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It's not as if OnePlus is stopping support. They can't do anything since Qualcomm isn't going to update graphics drivers for SD800/801, which is necessary for Vulkan APIs, which in turn is necessary to pass Google CTS. No Google CTS = no more official update for those chipsets. So it's actually a consequence of Qualcomm's action.
The only way we'll get Nougat is in the form of custom ROMs by the hard work of devs. But again, just to be clear, none of the Nougat custom ROMs will have the Vulkan APIs, since it just isn't possible for 800/801 (afaik). That said, personally I don't really care about official updates since I've been running custom ROMs from the beginning, and I'm sure the good devs will bring us some Nougat love too
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The OP X is a phone with less a year. They should provide at least 24 months of support.
Abandoning the support isn't exactly what I (and other customers I suppose) was searching for (I bought the OPX at day one).
Letting the support to the developers isn't the solution, because the are not paid and everything they do is for free and with less instruments. All of us paid OP for supporting.
If they aren't supporting anymore OPX surely I'm not going to buy an other OP and probably neither an Android. every year we are here to reading and expecting if a phone would be upgraded to the newest version. If you buy a high end phone certanly this will get 24 months of support, but if you are going to buy a midrange, you are going to pray for some updates. All the phone makers are just making fun of us.
A comparison: iphone 4s launched in 2011 with ios 5 and its lust update was ios 9. 4 year of support!
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the developers do earn money. By hosting, ads, donation, etc. :3 but yeah, OP has disappointed us
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It's not as if OnePlus is stopping support. They can't do anything since Qualcomm isn't going to update graphics drivers for SD800/801, which is necessary for Vulkan APIs, which in turn is necessary to pass Google CTS. No Google CTS = no more official update for those chipsets. So it's actually a consequence of Qualcomm's action.
The only way we'll get Nougat is in the form of custom ROMs by the hard work of devs. But again, just to be clear, none of the Nougat custom ROMs will have the Vulkan APIs, since it just isn't possible for 800/801 (afaik). That said, personally I don't really care about official updates since I've been running custom ROMs from the beginning, and I'm sure the good devs will bring us some Nougat love too
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The Qualcomm story is only a justification for the OEMs, because if they want, they can force Qualcomm to update the drivers.
If the developers can make a S 800/801 working with Android N (see Nexus 5), why can't do it the OEMs?
I personally care about official updates because they can't sold us fully bugged phones and let us search for the solution.
The custom roms are a hobby, something that we like doing, but most of people even know of the existance of XDA.
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the developers do earn money. By hosting, ads, donation, etc. :3 but yeah, OP has disappointed us
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Yeah but most of them can't live with that momey. They just cover some outgoings.
Yeah I first time oneplus buyer but disappointed
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The Qualcomm story is only a justification for the OEMs, because if they want, they can force Qualcomm to update the drivers.
If the developers can make a S 800/801 working with Android N (see Nexus 5), why can't do it the OEMs?
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Sure, devs can get Nougat working on 800/801 but again, they will NOT support Vulkan APIs, as I said before. Any custom ROM for 800/801 devices won't support Vulkan API, to my knowledge. And that is essential for to pass CTS, and hence for official updates.
As for OEMs, I won't claim to know if they can force Qualcomm or not. Maybe they can, and maybe they even should. That would be great for everyone definitely. But regardless, I don't think the blame (if there's any) is to be pinned on OnePlus. It's Qualcomm's refusal to update graphics drivers which will force OEMs to drop support.
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The Qualcomm story is only a justification for the OEMs, because if they want, they can force Qualcomm to update the drivers.
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Not true. Many say that Adreno 3xx (the GPU on SD800/801) simply does not have hardware support for OpenGL ES 3.1. The only possible alternative is software emulation of such hardware features (which is supposedly a very difficult goal and might expose users to buggy UX and/or to bad battery life). The original problem is OpenGL ES 3.1 (mobile library) came out in 2014, but its features are from OpenGL 4.3 and 4.4 (desktop libraries from 2012 and 2013) So its Qualcomm's fault for either not bothering with updating the 800/801 firmware or for not designing their GPUs to support the current OpenGL version at the time. In fact, ARM's 2012 GPUs support OpenGL ES 3.1 and AEP (both from 2014) and their 2013 GPUs support OpenGL ES 3.2 and Vulkan (from 2015 and 2016).
This ^^^
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I don't think the news about sd 800/801 being incompatible is true, because Nexus 5 has already received a 7.0 build (alpha) and Xperia Z3 also got dev previews. Both of these are sd 800/801 devices. And also the OnePlus One:
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I looked at a Nexus 5 ROM thread today. Lots of stuff was broken. Unless QC puts out official sources, Nougat is going to be a buggy affair for anything with an 800/1 SoC.
More news related to this :
http://www.androidauthority.com/android-7-0-snapdragon-800-801-712930/
I don't get the whole thing, but looks like its possible the problem might not be related to Vulkan. I guess we need to wait for the Android Compatibility Definition Document for Nougat to really know what the actual issue could be.
http://www.androidauthority.com/android-7-0-snapdragon-800-801-712930/
apparently, it isn't the VULKAN causing the problems. There are alternative ways around this. They just want us to buy newer devices
What the tittle says
Yes there is, we'll get it in 2 months period.
Any ideas why so long? Sony already got it and they are skinned as well as others are close behind like Samsung with their beta tests and htc why is this one taking so long to push since it is almost pure?
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Any ideas why so long? Sony already got it and they are skinned as well as others are close behind like Samsung with their beta tests and htc why is this one taking so long to push since it is almost pure?
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Sony have a much bigger dev team, plus sony has a large community of devs and testers that work for free since they release all their code to open source.
But is this not like the purest of Android ... On paper it should be just plug test and play for the A1?
In principle, yes. But I going by the apparent fact that Google isn't in charge of software but xiaomi is, my guess is that is the reason why there is no oreo yet...
I presume. I've heard good things for this company let's see how this phone will hold up to what people say
I think that the Andorid One topic is quite new for them (too) and they just have to collect their experience first so I'm pretty sure for the following updates they will get more and more routine so this is just the beginning....
With Android One, doesn't Google control the OS updates like in Pixel. We get security fixes along with Pixel
Android one suppose to be the first device after pixel and nexus to get Oreo.
Devices are getting beta version or something of Oreo.
And we are just waiting ,
Don't want to rush anything but atleast a official comment on the Oreo for android one would be grate...
They says by the end of this year,its mean December,calm down
I have a friend working in Mi China and he says their Target is indeed for December 2017. So let's just all chill out till then.
From what I guess Google isn't really controlling the updates of mi a1. STOCK android doesn't support capacitive nav bars and a IR sensor too. Moreover there are dual cameras on this phone. So mi has to so tweaks to accommodate all this. That's why it must be taking some time.
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Sony have a much bigger dev team, plus sony has a large community of devs and testers that work for free since they release all their code to open source.
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In principle, yes. But I going by the apparent fact that Google isn't in charge of software but xiaomi is, my guess is that is the reason why there is no oreo yet...
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There is nothing like this. Android one is a program which ensures every updates not faster updates. So keep calm. They will release it by 31st Dec.
The update chain is not that what u r thinking right now.
Google - Processor manufacturers - OEMs - Beta testers - OEM - Public Release.
As far as what I've seen and heard on mi community discussions some guy had posted a pic of his discussion with one of the representatives from Xiaomi. It said that they werent sure on when they are going to release the update as they haven't finalized the date yet. They said that it could be in late january 2018
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As far as what I've seen and heard on mi community discussions some guy had posted a pic of his discussion with one of the representatives from Xiaomi. It said that they werent sure on when they are going to release the update as they haven't finalized the date yet. They said that it could be in late january 2018
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If a random representative said that, must be true
I would give them 2-3 days more before I start having my doubts . They've said by end of December ..so no point rushing unless . Just hope there aren't any major bugs in the beta
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The problem is the heavily doctored version of android that Xiaomi have included with this device and the inbuilt spyware.
Still no Oreo
Still no Kernel.
Not pure/stock Android.
THE TIME FOR ACTION IS NOW. - we should not stand for this any longer.
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Looking to buy this device, can you tell me the spyware you have come across.
So someone asked on Twitter about Oreo update and Xiaomi says "Its coming really soon!"
Source: https://twitter.com/xiaomi/status/944922239643684864
Nice thread about Oreo Kappa
Enviado desde mi Mi A1 mediante Tapatalk
Now that most of us have received the Oreo update I'm beginning to wonder whether will we receive future android updates, especially when we can witness the company's attitude towards their former flagship (Honor 8). On the other hand, Oreo included project treble support which supposedly should make updates easier to create and implement.
I've heard that they had promised 2 year update support for their devices, so theoretically it would include the Android 9. Taking into account the 6 month delay after Google will have released it.
What do you guys think about our devices future?
Kuba565 said:
Now that most of us have received the Oreo update I'm beginning to wonder whether will we receive future android updates, especially when we can witness the company's attitude towards their former flagship (Honor 8). On the other hand, Oreo included project treble support which supposedly should make updates easier to create and implement.
I've heard that they had promised 2 year update support for their devices, so theoretically it would include the Android 9. Taking into account the 6 month delay after Google will have released it.
What do you guys think about our devices future?
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yes, it should have Android 9 in future. but who knows...
Kuba565 said:
Now that most of us have received the Oreo update I'm beginning to wonder whether will we receive future android updates, especially when we can witness the company's attitude towards their former flagship (Honor 8). On the other hand, Oreo included project treble support which supposedly should make updates easier to create and implement.
I've heard that they had promised 2 year update support for their devices, so theoretically it would include the Android 9. Taking into account the 6 month delay after Google will have released it.
What do you guys think about our devices future?
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No update yet still...Maybe add 3-4 months additional, apart from the 6 months....
Kuba565 said:
Now that most of us have received the Oreo update I'm beginning to wonder whether will we receive future android updates, especially when we can witness the company's attitude towards their former flagship (Honor 8). On the other hand, Oreo included project treble support which supposedly should make updates easier to create and implement.
I've heard that they had promised 2 year update support for their devices, so theoretically it would include the Android 9. Taking into account the 6 month delay after Google will have released it.
What do you guys think about our devices future?
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Most probably it will receive the Android P update but by the time, it would get that update, Android Q would have released.
For the first time Google, Android P's latest beta will be available on non pixel / Nexus devices including OnePlus 6, Essential PH-1, Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S, Sony Xperia XZ2, Nokia 7 Plus, Oppo R15 Pro, and Vivo X21.
I immediately jumped to get my 5T signed up, only to face disappointment.
Android P beta for OnePlus 5t was skipped and the same was available only for yet to launch OnePlus 6.
Lately I have got a feeling that OnePlus has shifted their interest from consumer focused company to buiness oriented company who are more concerned about thier new flagship and less concerned about thier previous users.
The unofficial treble support was provided to our device by the hardworking developers of OnePlus community but OnePlus did not make any efforts to provide the same.
The OnePlus community should send a strong message to the company that they should not make the old coustmers feel left out.
We should pass following message to OnePlus:-
a) Providing official treble support to 5 and 5t.
b) Providing the lastest Android version along with their new flagship phones.( Which will be possible if support for project treble is available).
c) Providing all the exlusive upcoming features to previous generation phones (5 & 5t) till the time hardware permits.
A) That is not going to happen. But Mokee ported Treble so hopefully an P Beta port will come to 5T at some point.
C) This is OnePlus we're talking about, I doubt they will.
I really don't think they care about the community anymore.
I thought OnePlus had quietly prepared the 5T for Treble by creating an empty Vendor partition in the background? It's not formatted yet, and OOS doesn't see it, but it's there?
I'm unhappy too, that they didn't use the 5T for their P beta, but if they provided the official base for Treble, then maybe we'll still see something from them or at least it will be easier for the XDA Devs...
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A) That is not going to happen. But Mokee ported Treble so hopefully an P Beta port will come to 5T at some point.
C) This is OnePlus we're talking about, I doubt they will.
I really don't think they care about the community anymore.
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A) If we push.. all of us.. we might stand a chance.
C) Exactly
As I commented in the news.
Quote Google: "beta available TODAY from those OEMs".
The "today" tricked me into thinking that this would be my beloved 5t but Oneplus let Google speak about an even unannounced device just to get in that damn presentation.
In other words: Oneplus doesn't even care about their existing flagship the moment they know the rough release date for their next one. This is beyond everything I have ever seen in the smartphone business. At the same time advertising heavily the OP5t on Amazon to get one of the last ones.
Oneplus was never a community focused company they just said it so often that the people thought it would be so.
HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT!
As far as I can see this whole Situation; we will get a taste of Android P anyway. Either officially or non official.
Official: because there in fact is an unused Partition (unformatted)
Unofficial: because hobby dev peeps around the globe were able to make the oneplus 5t Support treble.. therefore custom Rom creators should be able to create Android P roms for it.
Are y'all really surprised that we wouldn't get a P beta? Lol
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Yes I'm in. Let's make a petition on change.org ?
Many people said of the oneplus 5t, it's the best against essencial phone... Better software, updates, design... But Essencial phone 1 have the beta xD
Now who is the best ??
I have a 5t
Android P require treble ?
I know this won't go down well, but did none of you do your homework on OnePlus before buying the 5t? OnePlus launch a new, replacement device every six months and concentrate on marketing and selling that; Every six months our new (to us) device gets moved to the back burner.
This is not a new strategy, and should not come as a surprise! Google how OnePlus 2 owners felt! I owned a 3t that was virtually obsolete four months later!
And every time this happens - every six months when a new device is launched - there is a thread on XDA to petition OnePlus about the unfairness of it all!
If this news is a surprise to anyone you should've been more aware of how the company operates.
Rant over.
Really dont't care for stock android p beta.
Much prefer for oxygen beta program with android P
Stock android is very poor and lack customization and feature option that oxygen offer.
If i want stock android experiance better solution is AOSP custom rom with plenty of feature and customization insteed of totaly naked stock android by Google IMO.
So we get OOS beta based on P later. (OP6 get first.)
I'm guessing we're still getting Treble support. There already is a /vendor partition created in one of the Beta updates iirc and they said: "Something exciting for you OnePlus 5/5T owners later this summer". So i'm guessing they're referring to Treble support.
CrEaTiiOn_187 said:
I'm guessing we're still getting Treble support. There already is a /vendor partition created in one of the Beta updates iirc and they said: "Something exciting for you OnePlus 5/5T owners later this summer". So i'm guessing they're referring to Treble support.
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Where is it written?
cutmylifein2 said:
Where is it written?
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Look at the screenshot. Last section of text.
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Look at the screenshot. Last section of text.
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Later this year and later this summer are different my friend.
Later this year means December and not before that.. but OnePlus 6 will get it immediately on launch..
Essential phone has got it already.. y not us is the question
cutmylifein2 said:
Later this year and later this summer are different my friend.
Later this year means December and not before that.. but OnePlus 6 will get it immediately on launch..
Essential phone has got it already.. y not us is the question
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Yh one does not always remember the exact words. P requires Treble we do not have Treble hence why we don't get it yet. If you really want it install MoKee ROM which enables Treble and wait for an Android P GSI.
Everyone should stop acting like treble is a hardware based thing.
The only reasons we did not get the beta is that Oneplus 1. is too lazy to deliver 2. wants to boost OP6 sales.
Treble is something completely software based and can be added at any given time (even without bricking the device).
I think the real reason we are complaining is (like the title says) that Oneplus is announcing stuff for a device that isn't even on sale yet.
It's like Google would have said "...and of course Pixel 3 is getting the beta from day one. We are already testing it internally and it is working great. In the meantime we are all very happy that you bought Pixel 2".
Not surprising from OnePlus. Unfortunately, they only seem to be concerned with what's the best way to make more money even if it involves abandoning their current users. This move, like all the moves they make, is about money. Doesn't matter if they ignore their current flagship device or users. Sad but true.
The one thing holding me back from immediately ordering the 6T upon release is my experience with the 5 and Android updates. I am still waiting on the update to Pie, despite it's wide scale availability and other devices being updated already.
Does OnePlus plan on changing their software update cycles to match someone like Essential?
We would all like faster updates, but android pie is not widely avaiable yet, it doesn't even show up on statistics: https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/
Not that many devices have received yet, but I agree that updates should already be faster, Essential did a good job.
You can expect 2 year software support for 6/6T is what i can say for now. Rest wait AMA/FAQ's to be shared after the launch for the precise info.
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The one thing holding me back from immediately ordering the 6T upon release is my experience with the 5 and Android updates. I am still waiting on the update to Pie, despite it's wide scale availability and other devices being updated already.
Does OnePlus plan on changing their software update cycles to match someone like Essential?
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Wich other devices from 2017 being updated on official 9.0 can you tell me?
Funk Wizard said:
You can expect 2 year software support for 6/6T is what i can say for now. Rest wait AMA/FAQ's to be shared after the launch for the precise info.
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Is it fair to say that OxygenOS can be used therefore up until November 2020 and then if you want the latest version of Android thereafter (for those who plan to use for greater than 2 years) to flash a custom rom ?
SlyUK said:
Is it fair to say that OxygenOS can be used therefore up until November 2020 and then if you want the latest version of Android thereafter (for those who plan to use for greater than 2 years) to flash a custom rom ?
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OnePlus devices always have great developer support and the same is going to continue with the 6T. Official support and software updates will be assured till 2020. Official AMA and FAQ's after the release will confirm the same for your satisfaction.
Custom roms will be available since the beginning as soon as the sources are out and developers start getting their units within the 2-3 weeks of the launch, custom roms come in soon. Kernels would come even before infact within a week or two as the sources would be out soon after release which is generally the case when it comes to oneplus devices.
Buy with confidence, I'll see you around :good:
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OnePlus devices always have great developer support and the same is going to continue with the 6T. Official support and software updates will be assured till 2020. Official AMA and FAQ's after the release will confirm the same for your satisfaction.
Custom roms will be available since the beginning as soon as the sources are out and developers start getting their units within the 2-3 weeks of the launch, custom roms come in soon. Kernels would come even before infact within a week or two as the sources would be out soon after release which is generally the case when it comes to oneplus devices.
Buy with confidence, I'll see you around :good:
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What are the chances of things becoming unified and cross development with what is already available in terms of roms and kernels for the OnePlus 6 ?
SlyUK said:
What are the chances of things becoming unified and cross development with what is already available in terms of roms and kernels for the OnePlus 6 ?
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Looking at the past devices the chances are 100%
Infact someone who knows how to read the tree said the sources are already united so the development would be united soon. By bet is 2019 first quarter :good:
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Looking at the past devices the chances are 100%
Infact someone who knows how to read the tree said the sources are already united so the development would be united soon. By bet is 2019 first quarter :good:
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Very exciting times ahead
cultofluna said:
Wich other devices from 2017 being updated on official 9.0 can you tell me?
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Essential Phone, which was released in May 2017
Negotiator50 said:
Essential Phone, which was released in May 2017
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Any from 2016 which are going to?
they already announced that they'll give 2years of android update to their devices. besides we have project treble now. in case you haven't noticed after treble many phones got pie update one way or other.