Flood the comments section with OnePlus X, let's hope that it catches the eye of one of the developers! xD
http://www.xda-developers.com/which-device-do-you-want-an-android-7-0-nougat-custom-rom-on/
Isn't it too early for this thread?, The community build of marshmallow has just been released and we still have more to explore. Anyway i hope some developer may start working soon and we can taste the flavor of Nougat. CHEERS. ?
The important fact is that the OPX might never get official Nougat releases due to Qualcomm ceasing support for their 800/801 SoC (they won't be getting OpenGL ES 3.1, which is needed for official Android 7.0 releases).
This is going to impact on over 50 android smartphones.
Source: https://developer.qualcomm.com/foru...-hardware/mobile-gaming-graphics-adreno/27936
shatteringlass said:
The important fact is that the OPX might never get official Nougat releases due to Qualcomm ceasing support for their 800/801 SoC (they won't be getting OpenGL ES 3.1, which is needed for official Android 7.0 releases).
This is going to impact on over 50 android smartphones.
Source: https://developer.qualcomm.com/foru...-hardware/mobile-gaming-graphics-adreno/27936
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damn. Well, is there any way around this?
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Isn't it too early for this thread?, The community build of marshmallow has just been released and we still have more to explore. Anyway i hope some developer may start working soon and we can taste the flavor of Nougat. CHEERS. ?
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Well, no it's not early. We have been using Marshmallow on OnePlus X thanks to our beloved developers since a long time now. We've given up hope on OnePlus, it's all on our developers now
I don't think the news about sd 800/801 being incompatible is true, because Nexus 5 has already received a 7.0 build (alpha) and Xperia Z3 also got dev previews. Both of these are sd 800/801 devices. And also the OnePlus One:
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I don't think the news about sd 800/801 being incompatible is true, because Nexus 5 has already received a 7.0 build (alpha) and Xperia Z3 also got dev previews. Both of these are sd 800/801 devices. And also the OnePlus One:
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Not a post, my friend sent it.
yup..z3 already got N dev preview..anyway it doesnt matter if opx dont get official N if we can get CM nougat from our dev ?
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Well, no it's not early. We have been using Marshmallow on OnePlus X thanks to our beloved developers since a long time now. We've given up hope on OnePlus, it's all on our developers now
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The OP X is a phone with less a year. They should provide at least 24 months of support.
Abandoning the support isn't exactly what I (and other customers I suppose) was searching for (I bought the OPX at day one).
Letting the support to the developers isn't the solution, because the are not paid and everything they do is for free and with less instruments. All of us paid OP for supporting.
If they aren't supporting anymore OPX surely I'm not going to buy an other OP and probably neither an Android. every year we are here to reading and expecting if a phone would be upgraded to the newest version. If you buy a high end phone certanly this will get 24 months of support, but if you are going to buy a midrange, you are going to pray for some updates. All the phone makers are just making fun of us.
A comparison: iphone 4s launched in 2011 with ios 5 and its lust update was ios 9. 4 year of support!
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yup..z3 already got N dev preview..anyway it doesnt matter if opx dont get official N if we can get CM nougat from our dev
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The only reason Z3 got developer preview is because sony n google want to test Android 7.0 on SD 800/801 powered devices
I guess their attempt ended up as a failure and so Z3 has been excluded from Sony update tree for Android 7.0
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The OP X is a phone with less a year. They should provide at least 24 months of support.
Abandoning the support isn't exactly what I (and other customers I suppose) was searching for (I bought the OPX at day one).
Letting the support to the developers isn't the solution, because the are not paid and everything they do is for free and with less instruments. All of us paid OP for supporting.
If they aren't supporting anymore OPX surely I'm not going to buy an other OP and probably neither an Android. every year we are here to reading and expecting if a phone would be upgraded to the newest version. If you buy a high end phone certanly this will get 24 months of support, but if you are going to buy a midrange, you are going to pray for some updates. All the phone makers are just making fun of us.
A comparison: iphone 4s launched in 2011 with ios 5 and its lust update was ios 9. 4 year of support!
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It's not as if OnePlus is stopping support. They can't do anything since Qualcomm isn't going to update graphics drivers for SD800/801, which is necessary for Vulkan APIs, which in turn is necessary to pass Google CTS. No Google CTS = no more official update for those chipsets. So it's actually a consequence of Qualcomm's action.
The only way we'll get Nougat is in the form of custom ROMs by the hard work of devs. But again, just to be clear, none of the Nougat custom ROMs will have the Vulkan APIs, since it just isn't possible for 800/801 (afaik). That said, personally I don't really care about official updates since I've been running custom ROMs from the beginning, and I'm sure the good devs will bring us some Nougat love too
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The OP X is a phone with less a year. They should provide at least 24 months of support.
Abandoning the support isn't exactly what I (and other customers I suppose) was searching for (I bought the OPX at day one).
Letting the support to the developers isn't the solution, because the are not paid and everything they do is for free and with less instruments. All of us paid OP for supporting.
If they aren't supporting anymore OPX surely I'm not going to buy an other OP and probably neither an Android. every year we are here to reading and expecting if a phone would be upgraded to the newest version. If you buy a high end phone certanly this will get 24 months of support, but if you are going to buy a midrange, you are going to pray for some updates. All the phone makers are just making fun of us.
A comparison: iphone 4s launched in 2011 with ios 5 and its lust update was ios 9. 4 year of support!
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the developers do earn money. By hosting, ads, donation, etc. :3 but yeah, OP has disappointed us
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It's not as if OnePlus is stopping support. They can't do anything since Qualcomm isn't going to update graphics drivers for SD800/801, which is necessary for Vulkan APIs, which in turn is necessary to pass Google CTS. No Google CTS = no more official update for those chipsets. So it's actually a consequence of Qualcomm's action.
The only way we'll get Nougat is in the form of custom ROMs by the hard work of devs. But again, just to be clear, none of the Nougat custom ROMs will have the Vulkan APIs, since it just isn't possible for 800/801 (afaik). That said, personally I don't really care about official updates since I've been running custom ROMs from the beginning, and I'm sure the good devs will bring us some Nougat love too
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The Qualcomm story is only a justification for the OEMs, because if they want, they can force Qualcomm to update the drivers.
If the developers can make a S 800/801 working with Android N (see Nexus 5), why can't do it the OEMs?
I personally care about official updates because they can't sold us fully bugged phones and let us search for the solution.
The custom roms are a hobby, something that we like doing, but most of people even know of the existance of XDA.
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the developers do earn money. By hosting, ads, donation, etc. :3 but yeah, OP has disappointed us
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Yeah but most of them can't live with that momey. They just cover some outgoings.
Yeah I first time oneplus buyer but disappointed
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The Qualcomm story is only a justification for the OEMs, because if they want, they can force Qualcomm to update the drivers.
If the developers can make a S 800/801 working with Android N (see Nexus 5), why can't do it the OEMs?
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Sure, devs can get Nougat working on 800/801 but again, they will NOT support Vulkan APIs, as I said before. Any custom ROM for 800/801 devices won't support Vulkan API, to my knowledge. And that is essential for to pass CTS, and hence for official updates.
As for OEMs, I won't claim to know if they can force Qualcomm or not. Maybe they can, and maybe they even should. That would be great for everyone definitely. But regardless, I don't think the blame (if there's any) is to be pinned on OnePlus. It's Qualcomm's refusal to update graphics drivers which will force OEMs to drop support.
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The Qualcomm story is only a justification for the OEMs, because if they want, they can force Qualcomm to update the drivers.
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Not true. Many say that Adreno 3xx (the GPU on SD800/801) simply does not have hardware support for OpenGL ES 3.1. The only possible alternative is software emulation of such hardware features (which is supposedly a very difficult goal and might expose users to buggy UX and/or to bad battery life). The original problem is OpenGL ES 3.1 (mobile library) came out in 2014, but its features are from OpenGL 4.3 and 4.4 (desktop libraries from 2012 and 2013) So its Qualcomm's fault for either not bothering with updating the 800/801 firmware or for not designing their GPUs to support the current OpenGL version at the time. In fact, ARM's 2012 GPUs support OpenGL ES 3.1 and AEP (both from 2014) and their 2013 GPUs support OpenGL ES 3.2 and Vulkan (from 2015 and 2016).
This ^^^
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I don't think the news about sd 800/801 being incompatible is true, because Nexus 5 has already received a 7.0 build (alpha) and Xperia Z3 also got dev previews. Both of these are sd 800/801 devices. And also the OnePlus One:
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I looked at a Nexus 5 ROM thread today. Lots of stuff was broken. Unless QC puts out official sources, Nougat is going to be a buggy affair for anything with an 800/1 SoC.
More news related to this :
http://www.androidauthority.com/android-7-0-snapdragon-800-801-712930/
I don't get the whole thing, but looks like its possible the problem might not be related to Vulkan. I guess we need to wait for the Android Compatibility Definition Document for Nougat to really know what the actual issue could be.
http://www.androidauthority.com/android-7-0-snapdragon-800-801-712930/
apparently, it isn't the VULKAN causing the problems. There are alternative ways around this. They just want us to buy newer devices
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Having just installed omnirom with it having the ota updates, once android L is officially released, will all nightlies adapt to it on current installs? Or will that be a whole new install? Just curious. Thanks
Without the code handy, it'll be hard to say for sure. I'd hazard a guess and say new Android base, new nightly branch. But that's just a guess.
I agree with you. Because it's a new code, I also think that you'll need the whole new installation after all..
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There's a good chance from a developer standpoint it'll require major rework/rebasing.
From a user standpoint, it SHOULD be feasible to do a straight upgrade without wiping. (Although in the case of features that aren't re-implemented yet when L nightlies start, they'll reset to their defaults when they make it back in.) You will NOT be able to downgrade without wiping or restoring a backup though.
As a historical reference - many of my devices that were running 4.3 Omni were upgraded straight to 4.4, even though we started from scratch with 4.4
Well it's close to nexus6 release... Any news if omnirom will adapt to Lollipop or require a new rom?
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Having just installed omnirom with it having the ota updates, once android L is officially released, will all nightlies adapt to it on current installs? Or will that be a whole new install? Just curious. Thanks
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If you mean "will moving to L require a wipe?" - Only if we screw something up. Android is designed to allow for seamless upgrades from one version to another, in fact, in the commercial world, requiring a wipe to upgrade will render you ineligible for GMS (gapps) licensing I'm fairly certain.
As to "all nightlies" - probably quite a few devices are going to get dropped with L. Almost surely the Exynos 4210 family, good chance quite a few of the Exynos 4412 family (I'd prefer to make it ALL of them tbh, and get that hell platform out of our codebase...), and probably a few other devices.
Other than Exynos4, we won't know until L gets released.
I'm on the sprint galaxy nexus which just recently got support for omnirom. Hopefully it will get L.. It will save me buying the nexus 6 as I will be happy to upgrade and keep my device. Great job/rom.
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...quite a few of the Exynos 4412 family...
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My heart...
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a few of the Exynos 4412 family (I'd prefer to make it ALL of them tbh, and get that hell platform out of our codebase...).
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oh man, I really do hope you guys manage to get L on my Note 2. There's quite a few of us out there, and it would be oh so nice not having to upgrade our hardware.
And are Omni people already working with Android 5.0 or they need to wait for official release?
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And are Omni people already working with Android 5.0 or they need to wait for official release?
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Wait for the code drop to happen. Should not take long.
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Wait for the code drop to happen. Should not take long.
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Unless Google drops source earlier than normal (read: typically not until a few days after the first OTAs go out to Nexus devices), I wouldn't expect work to even start until November. (Since it sounds like the earliest OTAs and devices shipping are going to be November 3, which means that's the earliest possible date to even think about doing work unless Google drops source earlier than they ever have in the history of Android.)
With Intel dropping the Atom chips and all x86 chipsets, Does anyone know if Android N will be compatible with x86 platform? I do believe we can't rely on Asus to deliver updates since Marshmallow hasnt been officially released to Zenfone 2 devices more than a year after it was first released. Will there be a CM14 for Intel chipsets devices? Any thoughts?
Cheers.
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With Intel dropping the Atom chips and all x86 chipsets, Does anyone know if Android N will be compatible with x86 platform? I do believe we can't rely on Asus to deliver updates since Marshmallow hasnt been officially released to Zenfone 2 devices more than a year after it was first released. Will there be a CM14 for Intel chipsets devices? Any thoughts?
Cheers.
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I think we can rely only on CM team. Asus wouldn't release official MM for z2...
To be very truthful
No..it will never happen.
MM Beta stock on my zen2 4GB ram version , 1.75 GB and upwards of ram is used starting from clean install.
Heaven knows how far that would work on 2gb versions.
I think this is very hard for the development team and probably the reason why the delay to MM.
CM however , have achieved the equivalent with just over 1GB ram used.
Leave it to the CM team
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No..it will never happen.
MM Beta stock on my zen2 4GB ram version , 1.75 GB and upwards of ram is used starting from clean install.
Heaven knows how far that would work on 2gb versions.
I think this is very hard for the development team and probably the reason why the delay to MM.
CM however , have achieved the equivalent with just over 1GB ram used.
Leave it to the CM team
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Actually the MM beta on my 2GB 550 manages RAM well. Much better than stock lollipop. Usually keeps around 700-800 MB free and runs very smoothly, much like CM13.
Screenshots please ?
You on 111 beta ?
I'm on the third beta.
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I'm on the third beta.
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hows your 550ml doinh bro? mines got ghost touch problem and wony go away
.... nice your still active on zen forum
pato2015 said:
hows your 550ml doinh bro? mines got ghost touch problem and wony go away
.... nice your still active on zen forum
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Mine is doing good, battery is holding up way better than any of my three previous phones (all iphones), which all seriously lost capacity after about a year. I am thinking of passing my 550 on to my daughter to replace her ZF5, which has a broken screen. ZF3 series seems over priced so considering next option at the moment - maybe a Xiaomi or a Vernee Apollo Lite, or maybe spend a bit more for a OnePlus 3 or Axon 7...
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Mine is doing good, battery is holding up way better than any of my three previous phones (all iphones), which all seriously lost capacity after about a year. I am thinking of passing my 550 on to my daughter to replace her ZF5, which has a broken screen. ZF3 series seems over priced so considering next option at the moment - maybe a Xiaomi or a Vernee Apollo Lite, or maybe spend a bit more for a OnePlus 3 or Axon 7...
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just got moto x pure edition from bestbuy on sale last week 32 gb for $249 .. great dual front speakers.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x-style/general/moto-x-pure-32gb-249-best-buy-elite-t3422415
Once the 6.x gets out of beta or the Zoom kernel blobs gets merged, we should all switch to Cyanogen since those 3-5 guys cared way more than Asus. For such projects just like Linux, more users= more tests, feedback and hopefully more donations.
As a person who knew Asus since their Pentium 2 motherboards, I lost all my trust and respect to them as a company. Besides build quality, their strength had always been timely BIOS updates, good drivers. They forgot what made them stand out from rest of OEM crowd.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android-nougat-finally-released-get-it-now/
Android N Officially Out for Nexus devices.
zenfone 2 N, no never. Get over it, it works fine on android 5. You just want it cause you can't have it.
Actually, users deserve timely major OS upgrades, Microsoft can upgrade Windows XP to Windows 10 for free. It is OEM companies like Asus with their unneeded, childish and performance killing modifications who keeps these devices backwards. They even put a freaking antivirus from a _very_ questionable Chinese company into their ROM giving it system app status, of course compatibility issues will happen. All those stupid themes with that ugly creature, these things have a price and they & we users are paying it with outdated OS.
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zenfone 2 N, no never. Get over it, it works fine on android 5. You just want it cause you can't have it.
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sferrariba said:
zenfone 2 N, no never. Get over it, it works fine on android 5. You just want it cause you can't have it.
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And I guess you just pretend to only enjoy using Android 5 because you can't have Android 6?
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Ilgazc said:
Actually, users deserve timely major OS upgrades, Microsoft can upgrade Windows XP to Windows 10 for free. It is OEM companies like Asus with their unneeded, childish and performance killing modifications who keeps these devices backwards. They even put a freaking antivirus from a _very_ questionable Chinese company into their ROM giving it system app status, of course compatibility issues will happen. All those stupid themes with that ugly creature, these things have a price and they & we users are paying it with outdated OS.
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Why does everyone think they are entitled to free upgrades to a new OS? The phone was sold as a LP phone. There was nothing in the ads or the paperwork that came with my phone that said a free upgrade was included. The only thing Asus HAS to provide is a reasonable warranty. Everything else is a bonus on their part. This sense of entitlement is amazing.
Oh yeah, BTW, that free windows 10 upgrade? It was the first time they ever did anything like that. And it's already over. If you didn't already get it, it's gonna cost you $120 now.
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You are right. Its not mandatory but is common sense. And the phone wasn t that cheape.
After all in gsmarena said "upgradable to MM"
Ilgazc said:
Actually, users deserve timely major OS upgrades, Microsoft can upgrade Windows XP to Windows 10 for free. It is OEM companies like Asus with their unneeded, childish and performance killing modifications who keeps these devices backwards. They even put a freaking antivirus from a _very_ questionable Chinese company into their ROM giving it system app status, of course compatibility issues will happen. All those stupid themes with that ugly creature, these things have a price and they & we users are paying it with outdated OS.
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I think the more frequent Android release cycle is simply Google pushing hard on OEM's, so that they will eventually give up with their customizations and embrace an unmodified OS.
Maintaining security patches and minor OS updates is already a job on its own, if you factor in a new major release each year, either you hire legions of coders or simply give up with heavy-handed customizations...
Which is by the way what ASUS is facing these days, IMO
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2016/08/23/sony-xperia-and-android-7-0-nougat/
Sadly our device can't get Android N :crying:
[edit] http://www.phonearena.com/news/No-Nougat-for-your-Android-phone-You-might-want-to-blame-Qualcomm_id84543
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http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2016/08/23/sony-xperia-and-android-7-0-nougat/
Sadly our device can't get Android N :crying:
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Well, just as I thought. I have some hope on developers here, but considering how little work has been done with AOSP and CM I can't expect too much
ridiculous they were teased with devolved Android n
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Me too.. I will probably sell my D6603, Sony just disappointed me.
Anyway I'm open to suggestions
codeluca said:
Me too.. I will probably sell my D6603, Sony just disappointed me.
Anyway I'm open to suggestions
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Personaly I would go with OP3 or nexus devices. Good specs and developer friendly.
I like OP3 and Xiaomi mi5 but I would miss the SD card... I would consider Huawei P9 or LG G5, but these have poor developer support. Any alternative?
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Thank you Sony for making me absolutely sure that I'll never ever buy a Sony phone again.
Zox09 said:
Thank you Sony for making me absolutely sure that I'll never ever buy a Sony phone again.
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I have hope for the community, we'll make it through with better sources and faster updates than what Sony had to offer us. Hopefully official Cyanogenmod comes our way.
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I have hope for the community, we'll make it through with better sources and faster updates than what Sony had to offer us. Hopefully official Cyanogenmod comes our way.
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I would have hope if it wasn't for the fact that we don't have an official CM13 yet. All the builds of the CM12.1 are even nightlies and don't offer the audio and camera quality that Stock has. Let's be real, Sony sucks at open sourcing and the community can't do magic
Sure it sucks, but why is anyone surprised? The Z3 launched September of 2014, almost two years ago.
You really can't blame Sony, two years is pretty standard for updates. Even Google only gives two years of guaranteed updates for the Nexus line.
iirc the concept developers are trying to release the kernel sources, which would allow the devs on xda to build better roms.
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The Z3 is an really nice device. Sad to see that Sony say goodbye to us. I hope customs ROMS can help.
I have Android Nougat 7 Preview 4 running on my Xperia Z3 (and it spontaneously reboots 24 times a day which is a major problem that hopefully the real version will fix). I mean how can they NOT release a real version of Android Nougat?
Well the user base did come together and made Sony change their minds about Xperia M2 and lollipop update... At first it was cut out after which Sony later decided to roll out lollipop for that model...
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I think z3 shouldn't use mm or lollipop rom. Because the device will be very hot and it'll make touch screen died. I know someboby have to replace thier touch screen.
Sony cant release N for z3. Google/ Qualcomm removed msm8974 support from aosp N kernel. Sony would have to revert these commits which is the legal issues that the concept Dec was talking my about on g+
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Sure it sucks, but why is anyone surprised? The Z3 launched September of 2014, almost two years ago.
You really can't blame Sony, two years is pretty standard for updates. Even Google only gives two years of guaranteed updates for the Nexus line.
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Meanwhile, Apple released the last iOS 9.3.4 on the iPhone 4S, released in 2011.
Talk about standards. SMH.
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Sony cant release N for z3. Google/ Qualcomm removed msm8974 support from aosp N kernel. Sony would have to revert these commits which is the legal issues that the concept Dec was talking my about on g+
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This means no device with Snapdragon 800/801 will get N.
That's disappointing considering it was working fine on Dev Preview 3.
brianpee said:
This means no device with Snapdragon 800/801 will get N.
That's disappointing considering it was working fine on Dev Preview 3.
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I imagine it was a decision by Qualcomm to force people to get new phones so they sell more chips. And I bet we don't see and 801 devices get official N. Only 805 and later
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iirc the concept developers are trying to release the kernel sources, which would allow the devs on xda to build better roms.
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That's mean if kernel sources is out, we can build Android 7 rom without Unlock Bootloader?
In case someone has missed it, the Z4 Tablet is not on Sonys list with devices that will get the update. Since it is Sonys last tablet and still one of the best Android tablet I think it would have made sense to keep it updated.
It runs okay with stock 7.1.1 but some of the Oreo updates would be nice to have, like improved multi window support and picture-in-picture.
I guess there will be some custom ROMs to try out, but in this case I actually like Sonys UI better, with the keyboard support (shortcuts and start menu etc.).
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In case someone has missed it, the Z4 Tablet is not on Sonys list with devices that will get the update. Since it is Sonys last tablet and still one of the best Android tablet I think it would have made sense to keep it updated.
It runs okay with stock 7.1.1 but some of the Oreo updates would be nice to have, like improved multi window support and picture-in-picture.
I guess there will be some custom ROMs to try out, but in this case I actually like Sonys UI better, with the keyboard support (shortcuts and start menu etc.).
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Source for the Z4 tablets not getting Oreo?
Aredubu said:
Source for the Z4 tablets not getting Oreo?
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https://blogs.sonymobile.com/2017/08/31/xperia-android-8-0-oreo/
Wow, that sucks.
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This is the latest tablet in Sony portfolio.
No Oreo = I will never again buy Sony device.
Howgh.
Without sources It's hard to make custom oreo rom. But it definately possible as it is with xiaomi redmi note 2, for example.
Since z5 itself it not getting oreo then it was obvious the tablet as well. If sony do as always then we will have AOSP release from them for this tablet and z5
Very disappointed ?
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From what I understand there will be no BSP for Oreo on the 810 processor based SOC. It's tough to blame Sony for this one, IMHO this lands on Qualcomm.
No. It's Sony responsibility to push Quallcomm.
Most sony devices use mediatek now so probably Qualcomm no longer is a good partner for Sony
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From what I understand there will be no BSP for Oreo on the 810 processor based SOC. It's tough to blame Sony for this one, IMHO this lands on Qualcomm.
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There are phones with 810 SOC that has gotten Oreo already so that is false.
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There are phones with 810 SOC that has gotten Oreo already so that is false.
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...such as?
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...such as?
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Nexus 6P and maybe others.
Any other examples?
I'm not sure which kernel is running on 6p on oreo, but on my nexus 5x (oreo 8.1) it's 3.10. This is a violation of google policy that for oreo kernel must be at least 4.4.
So i would suspect that 6p is an exception confirming the rule.
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Any other examples?
I'm not sure which kernel is running on 6p on oreo, but on my nexus 5x (oreo 8.1) it's 3.10. This is a violation of google policy that for oreo kernel must be at least 4.4.
So i would suspect that 6p is an exception confirming the rule.
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That's not really correct, according to Google's kernel version requirements:
- All SoCs productized in 2017 must launch with kernel 4.4 or newer.
- All other SoCs launching new Android devices running Android 8.0 must use kernel 3.18 or newer.
- Regardless of launch date, all SoCs with device launches on Android 8.0 remain subject to kernel changes required to enable Treble.
-Older Android devices released prior to Android 8.0 but that will be upgraded to Android 8.0 can continue to use their original base kernel version if desired.
Source: https://source.android.com/devices/architecture/kernel/modular-kernels#core-kernel-requirements
I think even the Pixel / Pixel XL is running Oreo on 3.18 kernels.
Its like when the snap 801 devices didnt get nougat all over again. Google are good at killing worthy devices. All 801 devices were perfectly fine and capable of running nougat but it was never offically supported. Its also like the Sony SmartWatch 3 how they killed that with no AW 2.0 update. It has nfc which can be used for Android pay but is now useless without AW 2.0. Also the SmartWatch 3 has WiFi and alot of other things some android wear 2.0 devices dont have. Google just keep killing our devices with less updates to make us buy new ones.
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Its like when the snap 801 devices didnt get nougat all over again. Google are good at killing worthy devices. All 801 devices were perfectly fine and capable of running nougat but it was never offically supported. Its also like the Sony SmartWatch 3 how they killed that with no AW 2.0 update. It has nfc which can be used for Android pay but is now useless without AW 2.0. Also the SmartWatch 3 has WiFi and alot of other things some android wear 2.0 devices dont have. Google just keep killing our devices with less updates to make us buy new ones.
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Why do you keep blaming Google for this? Google did update their own devices with the same chipset as Sony Tablet Z4 (Nexus 6P) or lower spec (Nexus 5X) to Oreo.
The Nexus and even Pixels runs 3.x kernels too so Google is not stopping Sony from updating the Z3+/Z4/Z5-series to Oreo!
Regarding the SmartWatch 3, again why blame Google for this? It has the Snapdragon 400 chipset which is compatible with Wear 2.0 (LG updated their G-watches with SD400 to Wear 2.0).
Instead it was Sony that stated something like "SwartWatch 3 runs better with it's current version of Wear". The same BS excuse that Sony and other OEMs often use when they abandon fully capable products.
Google can't force OEMs to update their devices, the just give them the tools to do it. Which in these cases Sony don't want to use.
According to xperiablog, SONY just sold 18300 Z4 Tablets. I am pretty sure the customer wants to use a current OS with security patches.
http://www.xperiablog.net/2018/01/26/french-police-make-huge-order-for-sony-xperia-devices/
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According to xperiablog, SONY just sold 18300 Z4 Tablets. I am pretty sure the customer wants to use a current OS with security patches.
http://www.xperiablog.net/2018/01/26/french-police-make-huge-order-for-sony-xperia-devices/
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According to the article they will run a (modified) stock version of Android. The demo unit in the photo seems to be running Jelly Bean or KitKat!
Kinda regret getting this phone after only 7 months of owning it...
We will see...
Yep, another big costly Chinese tibit.
*warcry scream*
1. I doubt these reps have any more of a clue about the O update for the H8 than you do. If you communicate with enough of them, I am sure one of them will give you the answer you're looking for.
2. What's the fascination with the O update anyway? Functionally, what do you want to do that O will help you with (that N and M do not)?
3. If you use the H8 as a daily driver, the need to experiment with the latest and greatest is diminished. Haven't you read the numerous posts complaining about compatibility with N, much less O? As an example, it took ages for Xposed to work with N. Many here would prefer full compatibility with Xposed vs. an O update with limited or no Xposed support.
4. There are many other threads talking about O being promised -- or not -- for the H8. Why can't posters just update one thread with their latest updates from (mostly clueless) reps?
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1. I doubt these reps have any more of a clue about the O update for the H8 than you do. If you communicate with enough of them, I am sure one of them will give you the answer you're looking for.
2. What's the fascination with the O update anyway? Functionally, what do you want to do that O will help you with (that N and M do not)?
3. If you use the H8 as a daily driver, the need to experiment with the latest and greatest is diminished. Haven't you read the numerous posts complaining about compatibility with N, much less O? As an example, it took ages for Xposed to work with N. Many here would prefer full compatibility with Xposed vs. an O update with limited or no Xposed support.
4. There are many other threads talking about O being promised -- or not -- for the H8. Why can't posters just update one thread with their latest updates from (mostly clueless) reps?
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It's not that I'm fascinated with the O update, I just feel a bit cheated because they promised 2 years of updates right? Buying a phone (with great specs) that becomes outdated in a couple of months kinda stings. And for xposed... I'm not too into that anymore especially with stability/diversity rom issues with this device; I gave roms try for a while but the loss of some functionality and higher charging temps made me uneasy
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It's not that I'm fascinated with the O update, I just feel a bit cheated because they promised 2 years of updates right? Buying a phone (with great specs) that becomes outdated in a couple of months kinda stings. And for xposed... I'm not too into that anymore especially with stability/diversity rom issues with this device; I gave roms try for a while but the loss of some functionality and higher charging temps made me uneasy
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Btw Honor 8 is being updated regularly every 3 months. We received the B394 on September and the B398 is already being released. Updated don't mean only Major updated
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It's not that I'm fascinated with the O update, I just feel a bit cheated because they promised 2 years of updates right? Buying a phone (with great specs) that becomes outdated in a couple of months kinda stings. And for xposed... I'm not too into that anymore especially with stability/diversity rom issues with this device; I gave roms try for a while but the loss of some functionality and higher charging temps made me uneasy
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Btw Honor 8 is being updated regularly every 3 months. We received the B394 on September and the B398 is already being released. Updated don't mean only Major updated
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Imho we're only talking about official upgrades, no root or xposed, so we don't really care about xposed : if you use xposed, you have rooted your phone, so you willingly excluded yourself from official upgrades.
I think a lot of us understood that 2 years updates meant 2 major android upgrades, which is not what happens, we only get very minor updates every few months.
Imho a real serious way of handling updates would be to release one with every google security patch, with no new feature and only bug fixing, security first.
And then state something about the major android upgrades, but these 2 should be separated.
But I'm dreaming in a non commercial world
And if you add a so-called partnership with XDA developers, and no real full source has been released, yes this is very disappointing.
Unfortunately Huawei is terrible with updating their previous devices. They're in it for a quick buck and move onto the next new one. All you can do is vote with your money next time and buy a Google pixel if you want updates, or an iPhone. I wouldn't expect more than 1 major os upgrade for any Huawei devices.
I want KRACK patched. If it's not patched in the next month I'm selling my phone for an iPhone.
Apple has better security than Android.
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I want KRACK patched. If it's not patched in the next month I'm selling my phone for an iPhone.
Apple has better security than Android.
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I second that. KRACK (hell, even Blueborne) is unpatched on our phones. I understand that we get "regular" updates, but seriously, an out-of-band update when serious vulnerabilities occur is not much to ask.
Not everybody can afford an iPhone, but for sure, if Huawei/Honor don't get their act together, this will be the first and the last of their devices that I will ever buy.
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I want KRACK patched. If it's not patched in the next month I'm selling my phone for an iPhone.
Apple has better security than Android.
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Probably, but it's still Crapple.
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Unfortunately Huawei is terrible with updating their previous devices. They're in it for a quick buck and move onto the next new one. All you can do is vote with your money next time and buy a Google pixel if you want updates, or an iPhone. I wouldn't expect more than 1 major os upgrade for any Huawei devices.
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Yes, but so much advertising around XDA partnership and honor 8 beeing their new "long live" model made a lot of us buy it even if they had such reputation.
iPhone ? Never ever ! This is the opposite problem, they push too much major upgrades so your phone becomes a low performance phone.
I have an ipad2 for music creation, I recovered good performance when I rolled back from verrrrry laggggggy iOS 9 to iOS 6.
From the previous update patterns.. if your model has launched with (MM) you will get the next one(N). If your model has launched with (N), then you will get the Oreo. Period..
It depends.
Honor promised either 12 or 24 months of Major Android Updates. Honor has delivered in the past like my Honor 4C got two major Android updates Lollipop and Marshmallow. I believe we should get Oreo since it is extremely healthy for the development community. If Honor delivers Oreo with Treble Support, there's a high chance of getting a fully functional bulges custom ROMs for the device.
From my previous experiences with Huawei devices i noticed that they only receive 1 major update during their lifetime. Even flagships. That was true with Ascend P7 (4.2.2.-->5.1.1), P8 (5.1.1-->6.0) and now the same with Honor 8. Huawei does not even bother with intermediate OS updates like 7.0.2 and 7.1.1
It was released with 6.0, now it has 7.0, so ... that's it.
Well, the Honor 6X was released only two months after the 8 with 6.0 too and it has Oreo planned. It doesn't make sense for Honor to ditch 8 for 6X. Let's wait and see.
Those are not official. Someone in these forums got replied to an email that Honor 8 will get a closed beta for it soon. That person is not official Honor and is therefore fake.
Yup the xda partnerships that honor/Huawei touts everytime ar sooooooooooooooooo fake its laughable.
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Well, the Honor 6X was released only two months after the 8 with 6.0 too and it has Oreo planned. It doesn't make sense for Honor to ditch 8 for 6X. Let's wait and see.
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The customer support is now saying that even the Honor 6X isn't going to recieve the Oreo update.
She did mention that despite it hasn't been announced we shouldn't lose hope since it still isn't CONFIRMED. She also mentioned that we will continue recieving security patches which honestly is more that enough for me......
I've tried Oreo on my Nexus 5X and if anything it made the device slower and doesn't have any new changes or features apart from the password filling in apps or the updated Bluetooth codec.
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