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Has Huawei abandoned Honor 7?

The last update for PLK-L01 is B380 with security patches dated back to 1 August 2016. (I received the OTA in September/October)
It's February 2017 now.
Can we do something to urge Honor to be clear about their support plan?
Because it would be a shame that this device had no support after only one year of his life. ( 1 year !!! )
I'm not even talking about EMUI 5 because at this point there's very little hope but I will be very disappointed if there won't be any further updates. For sure I'll think twice before buying/recommending Huawei phones.
Sorry but I had to vent a bit.

xinnn said:
The last update for PLK-L01 is B380 with security patches dated back to 1 August 2016. (I received the OTA in September/October)
It's February 2017 now.
Can we do something to urge Honor to be clear about their support plan?
Because it would be a shame that this device had no support after only one year of his life. ( 1 year !!! )
I'm not even talking about EMUI 5 because at this point there's very little hope but I will be very disappointed if there won't be any further updates. For sure I'll think twice before buying/recommending Huawei phones.
Sorry but I had to vent a bit.
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I totally agree with you. It would be especially a shame because Honor promised a 2 year Update guarantee.
I don't think we can do anything about this situation the only answer we would get would be a "We are always trying our best" and so on.

Actually....Seem official that won't be any Nougat release (due to hw compatibility).... at the same time it's possible a porting of emui 5 features (split screen and other stuff) to an update for the divices that can't support Android 7 as H7.
This should include also fresh security patch, but I don't think we'll see this famous update before the summer.
All this is what I could understand, in totally unofficial way from the leaking of Honor support...
So let's hope.... something will arrive, but naturally to upgrade H7 and all the devices still young but that can't support Nougat; it isn't exactly at the top of the list for Honor now...
Anyway yes, H7 isn't a lucky smartphone; it have good hw; it run smooth and fast, and could deserve more....
....After all, I came from a Nexus 5; so I was use to have always fresh sw; and to have it before any other ......To tell the truth I don't care so much anymore, untill my H7 is running well (as now), software upgrade won't be a crazy pb.

kasperbau said:
Actually....Seem official that won't be any Nougat release (due to hw compatibility).... at the same time it's possible a porting of emui 5 features (split screen and other stuff) to an update for the divices that can't support Android 7 as H7.
This should include also fresh security patch, but I don't think we'll see this famous update before the summer.
All this is what I could understand, in totally unofficial way from the leaking of Honor support...
So let's hope.... something will arrive, but naturally to upgrade H7 and all the devices still young but that can't support Nougat; it isn't exactly at the top of the list for Honor now...
Anyway yes, H7 isn't a lucky smartphone; it have good hw; it run smooth and fast, and could deserve more....
....After all, I came from a Nexus 5; so I was use to have always fresh sw; and to have it before any other ......To tell the truth I don't care so much anymore, untill my H7 is running well (as now), software upgrade won't be a crazy pb.
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Well i'm not even mad for not getting Android 7 and i am okay with that. But it would be nice if we could get some features from EMUI 5 at least. Let's see what the future brings us.

not officially at least: support should be granted for another 6 months, but don't expect much more than a few fixes and a security patch.... my guess is: tiny update with January security patch in the next few weeks, then a final small farewell update in summer.
further software development is out of the question IMHO. huawei just don't seem to learn from their past mistakes...

Rbunchie said:
Well i'm not even mad for not getting Android 7 and i am okay with that. But it would be nice if we could get some features from EMUI 5 at least. Let's see what the future brings us.
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They will come...Just to don't make us too disappointed, I think.....And to reach the 2 years of support
buongu said:
not officially at least: support should be granted for another 6 months, but don't expect much more than a few fixes and a security patch.... my guess is: tiny update with January security patch in the next few weeks, then a final small farewell update in summer.
further software development is out of the question IMHO. huawei just don't seem to learn from their past mistakes...
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I Agree, could be a way...
...In all this, i think that is more bad luck with the last Nougat API not supported than any laziness or few interess in the developing...
But I agree another time that if Huawei/Honor want to fight with the top brands, they have to start to better follow their devices, or at least to have a clear policy on releasing update; without confusion or heavy bugs over major release.

buongu said:
not officially at least: support should be granted for another 6 months, but don't expect much more than a few fixes and a security patch.... my guess is: tiny update with January security patch in the next few weeks, then a final small farewell update in summer.
further software development is out of the question IMHO. huawei just don't seem to learn from their past mistakes...
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People buying Huawei are the ones not learning LOL
But the problem AFAIK is that Honor 7 soc won't support Vulcan, which is required to get a official nougat build from a manufactorer accepted by google.

I have UL00 model and I'm using stable B386 from 01/12/2017. Security patch from 01/01/2017.
I'm just saying this version might come to other models too.

If you want to get security updates, get an iPhone.
Android is a totally insecure system due to the way Google had signed the manufacturers up. It always gets security updates several months later, and after a year and half you can throw your phone away or remain with your insecure system.

android N is nothing diff to android 6

eddor1614 said:
I have UL00 model and I'm using stable B386 from 01/12/2017. Security patch from 01/01/2017.
I'm just saying this version might come to other models too.
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Which country did u buy your phone from?

ffxmadman said:
Which country did u buy your phone from?
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From China, it is UL00 C17 variant.

eddor1614 said:
I have UL00 model and I'm using stable B386 from 01/12/2017. Security patch from 01/01/2017.
I'm just saying this version might come to other models too.
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Good to know, if the China model had the upgrade usually the EU model will have it in acceptable timing.....

BigMango said:
If you want to get security updates, get an iPhone.
Android is a totally insecure system due to the way Google had signed the manufacturers up. It always gets security updates several months later, and after a year and half you can throw your phone away or remain with your insecure system.
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I beg to differ... samsung s4 (2013) is on jan 2017 security patch, and even the cheap xiaomi mi2 (2012) has the same january 2017 update... personal experience.
so you don't need to have an iphone to get a decently long lasting software support.
among the top producers, it's just huawei that keeps disappointing its customers. and the joke is on us, since we still fall for it...

buongu said:
I beg to differ... samsung s4 (2013) is on jan 2017 security patch, and even the cheap xiaomi mi2 (2012) has the same january 2017 update... personal experience.
so you don't need to have an iphone to get a decently long lasting software support.
among the top producers, it's just huawei that keeps disappointing its customers. and the joke is on us, since we still fall for it...
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Thanks for the feedback, but you are just confirming the TOTAL mess android is.
My Samsung s3 had very bad support. It took months for security fixes to land after being released by Google.
And even worse for my Samsung Galaxy tab 10.1 tablet. After 12 months no support anymore. And for security updates it was a 6 months wait at best.
My HTC phone was very bad also. 6 months at best for security updates and no support anymore after 18 months.
So, as you say sometimes you can get lucky with some devices BUT YOU WILL NEVER KNOW IN ADVANCE if your phone will be supported correctly or not.
I'm currently still on Android because I like the OS, but as it is such an unsecure unsupported platform I think I'll jump ship to iPhone next.

BigMango said:
Thanks for the feedback, but you are just confirming the TOTAL mess android is.
My Samsung s3 had very bad support. It took months for security fixes to land after being released by Google.
And even worse for my Samsung Galaxy tab 10.1 tablet. After 12 months no support anymore. And for security updates it was a 6 months wait at best.
My HTC phone was very bad also. 6 months at best for security updates and no support anymore after 18 months.
So, as you say sometimes you can get lucky with some devices BUT YOU WILL NEVER KNOW IN ADVANCE if your phone will be supported correctly or not.
I'm currently still on Android because I like the OS, but as it is such an unsecure unsupported platform I think I'll jump ship to iPhone next.
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it sure is impossible to foresee for how long a smartphone will be supported, but huawei has given us plenty of reasons in the last years to at least doubt their policy.
p6, p7 were a real shame, especially being the latter a bit pricey for a huawei; p8, mateS and h7 are the latest victims. and these are just the ones I personally know about. only h6 has had a fairly good support, especially for the price.
now I'm not saying samsung is perfect, they are far from it... (and I don't want to take into account tablets because it's true, android pretty much sucks when it comes to tablets and updates... :/ ) but since you came up with the s3 model, well that was a very hardware limited model... one of the last pre-JB models, with 1gb of ram only... especially with KK all the 1gb models became obsolete... but if you take the lg g1 that was commercialised only 4-5 months later with 2gb, it lived long enough to be updated from ICS to JB and finally to KK.
LG G2-G3-G4 are all receiving small updates from time to time, even if they are mainly only security fixes, but honestly it's the same thing happening with iphones, old models don't get the new features, just small fixes.
same with S4-S5-S6; not sure about M7, but I can guarantee for M8 and M9. Xiaomi still updates a lot of models from 2012-2013.
final words: among the big ballers, there's just one brand that keeps fooling its customers, and that's huawei/honor.
h7/p8/mateS are all 2015 devices... 2015... and h7's support has been dead for 7 months already... it's a shame!

Honor 7 will never updated to android 7.0, mb will coming some minor updates from vendors, mb..Last hope is only developers) imho

yes, they have abandoned us. From now never buy honor product.
xinnn said:
The last update for PLK-L01 is B380 with security patches dated back to 1 August 2016. (I received the OTA in September/October)
It's February 2017 now.
Can we do something to urge Honor to be clear about their support plan?
Because it would be a shame that this device had no support after only one year of his life. ( 1 year !!! )
I'm not even talking about EMUI 5 because at this point there's very little hope but I will be very disappointed if there won't be any further updates. For sure I'll think twice before buying/recommending Huawei phones.
Sorry but I had to vent a bit.
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Honor/Huawei
I had HTC phones in the past, then LG G2 and then changed to H7. I was very satisfied with it, because of smooth running, but when they announced that it wont get new update to nougat I was very dissappointed. Because it was clear then that there will be no updates, at least not any big updates. Its not old phone with good HW. And because of that I decided for iphone. No complaint till now, I have it for 6 months.

Answer AFAIK is nope, since Huawei/Honor only deliver one major update, and they did it "recently" (2016-09 according to their site) on Western Europe (PLK-L01) (probably the last wave who recieved it) with Android Marshmallow. But, the 5 and 6X recieved it.

Any news on when we getting Oreo?

What the tittle says

Yes there is, we'll get it in 2 months period.

Any ideas why so long? Sony already got it and they are skinned as well as others are close behind like Samsung with their beta tests and htc why is this one taking so long to push since it is almost pure?

tixooo said:
Any ideas why so long? Sony already got it and they are skinned as well as others are close behind like Samsung with their beta tests and htc why is this one taking so long to push since it is almost pure?
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Sony have a much bigger dev team, plus sony has a large community of devs and testers that work for free since they release all their code to open source.

But is this not like the purest of Android ... On paper it should be just plug test and play for the A1?

In principle, yes. But I going by the apparent fact that Google isn't in charge of software but xiaomi is, my guess is that is the reason why there is no oreo yet...

I presume. I've heard good things for this company let's see how this phone will hold up to what people say

I think that the Andorid One topic is quite new for them (too) and they just have to collect their experience first so I'm pretty sure for the following updates they will get more and more routine so this is just the beginning....

With Android One, doesn't Google control the OS updates like in Pixel. We get security fixes along with Pixel

Android one suppose to be the first device after pixel and nexus to get Oreo.
Devices are getting beta version or something of Oreo.
And we are just waiting ,
Don't want to rush anything but atleast a official comment on the Oreo for android one would be grate...

They says by the end of this year,its mean December,calm down

I have a friend working in Mi China and he says their Target is indeed for December 2017. So let's just all chill out till then.

From what I guess Google isn't really controlling the updates of mi a1. STOCK android doesn't support capacitive nav bars and a IR sensor too. Moreover there are dual cameras on this phone. So mi has to so tweaks to accommodate all this. That's why it must be taking some time.

sooti said:
Sony have a much bigger dev team, plus sony has a large community of devs and testers that work for free since they release all their code to open source.
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In principle, yes. But I going by the apparent fact that Google isn't in charge of software but xiaomi is, my guess is that is the reason why there is no oreo yet...
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There is nothing like this. Android one is a program which ensures every updates not faster updates. So keep calm. They will release it by 31st Dec.
The update chain is not that what u r thinking right now.
Google - Processor manufacturers - OEMs - Beta testers - OEM - Public Release.

As far as what I've seen and heard on mi community discussions some guy had posted a pic of his discussion with one of the representatives from Xiaomi. It said that they werent sure on when they are going to release the update as they haven't finalized the date yet. They said that it could be in late january 2018

Santosh Kolur said:
As far as what I've seen and heard on mi community discussions some guy had posted a pic of his discussion with one of the representatives from Xiaomi. It said that they werent sure on when they are going to release the update as they haven't finalized the date yet. They said that it could be in late january 2018
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If a random representative said that, must be true

I would give them 2-3 days more before I start having my doubts . They've said by end of December ..so no point rushing unless . Just hope there aren't any major bugs in the beta

pow01 said:
The problem is the heavily doctored version of android that Xiaomi have included with this device and the inbuilt spyware.
Still no Oreo
Still no Kernel.
Not pure/stock Android.
THE TIME FOR ACTION IS NOW. - we should not stand for this any longer.
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Looking to buy this device, can you tell me the spyware you have come across.

So someone asked on Twitter about Oreo update and Xiaomi says "Its coming really soon!"
Source: https://twitter.com/xiaomi/status/944922239643684864

Nice thread about Oreo Kappa
Enviado desde mi Mi A1 mediante Tapatalk

U11 Slice of Pie

With the August HTC announcement via Twitter that the U11 will receive Android 9.0 (Pie), wanted to get a specific Pie discussion going. I'm aware of the Software Update thread, etc,... but this is U11 PIE specific here.
Me personally. I'm hoping PIE brings a radio firmware update as well. I never got my Oreo VZW SMS issues resolved other than to stick with 7.1.1 until something comes along that works. And I don't like not having the latest security patches.
So that brings me to the next point. Hopefully PIE fulfills the promise of decoupling security updates from firmware and software updates. i.e., be able to always implement the latest security patches for that version of Android, regardless if the OEM provides updates or not. Here's to hoping.
Anyways, I know there are some PIE based ROMs out there, but hopefully when the first official HTC released PIE update hits the street, you'll hear it here first.
Cheers

1st of all, do you both have a history? or I'm the only one who feel this way.
2nd, Currently there is a Pie ROM here (https://forum.xda-developers.com/u11/development/rom-slim7-t3855041), try if you want
For me, I'm not so excited with HTC U11 official PIE release, since the U11 has capacitive keys so they cannot have or evolve to a way we can have gesture or something like that.
What I'm more looking forward to is all the custom ROM which will come after the official release !

So that brings me to the next point. Hopefully PIE fulfills the promise of decoupling security updates from firmware and software updates. i.e., be able to always implement the latest security patches for that version of Android, regardless if the OEM provides updates or not. Here's to hoping.
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Really hoping for this too.

Laoma40 said:
Really hoping for this too.
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I'm debating if I should wait for pie or get a pixel 3xl. I have 2 U11's and one I got for free. With the black Friday deal on Verizon I won't even lose money. The question is HTC or Google Pie...

Me 2. But the boss may not be pleased I get another phone after a year.haha. Next phone pixel for me. Our phones are as important as our computers these days. She is apple fan too and she has told me a few times get an iphone over the years . Sure rip off to start but it gets updated for years. Despite this I like the flexibility of Android so pay extra for the pixel and get security updates.

When they announced we were going to be getting Pie on Twitter they stated 'Timeframes for roll-out will be announced in due course'. Has anyone heard anything about the roll-out as that statement was made three months ago?!

In this case "in due course" translates to "we have no plans".
I haven't seen any new information about Pie for the U11 since this announcement, and don't expect Pie in 2018.
Maybe in early 2019 ? But even that isn't sure.
Maybe HTC will close down before releasing it.

kurtschmeichel said:
In this case "in due course" translates to "we have no plans".
I haven't seen any new information about Pie for the U11 since this announcement, and don't expect Pie in 2018.
Maybe in early 2019 ? But even that isn't sure.
Maybe HTC will close down before releasing it.
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That's what I think. I did email HTC Support (waste of time) who advised me to go to settings and check for update! As much as I like this phone it will be my last HTC as they do not supply any after-sales customer care whatsoever!

i have similar sympathies. Up until now all of my phones except for one have been HTC devices but I have a feeling the company can't keep up anymore. Sense hasn't had a decent upgrade in ages. HTC apps like dialer look and work dated and now updates also take way too long. I remember that at some point they said 90 days (back in the Lollipop days) after a new android release and that would put Pie in November but we haven't even had a proper leak yet.
Unless they come out punching hard with the next model I'm afraid this has been it for me and HTC and I'll move maybe to the Sammy camp or something.

Other than the lack of updates, its a great phone, my minor issue is how bluetooth is handled when compared to my last phone (lg v20 ) which got water damaged. With the Lg v20 you could have 2 bluetooth devices connected at the same time. So in car you not need to worry if you had your headset connected if you got a call. Its a minor issue but a annoying you have to remember to turn off your watch (i got a huawei band 2 watch you can take calls on).
Anyway back on topic, I wonder Pie would add this feature or not so if you got a call you can take it on any of the two bluetooth devices.

Since the rumor that HTC was canceling early 2019 flagship phone, I think that may have some influences on Pie.

tanto124 said:
Since the rumor that HTC was canceling early 2019 flagship phone, I think that may have some influences on Pie.
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They said they're focusing on 5G phones

Well I got it all wrong.
Thank you for contacting HTC! We know how important your security means for you. We apologize as we do not have an information as to when security patches will be released. Manufacturers often wait for Google to deliver the available patches as they are the ones to roll out these updates. If you need a real-time assistance, you can always contact us via chat at https://t.co/26rR0YClsZ
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Its googles fault, they are waiting for them previously when I asked it was the telco but it is never htc fault.

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HTC release Pie for U11 life https://www.ubergizmo.com/2018/11/htc-u11-life-android-pie-update/

The firmware for the U11 life can't be that much different from the U11. We may get it quicker than we think?

Joooo ****ing pie in u11 Life?!!!!? Oh ****

mightywhites29111971 said:
The firmware for the U11 life can't be that much different from the U11. We may get it quicker than we think?
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No, we won't
U11 Life is an Android One device.

mightywhites29111971 said:
The firmware for the U11 life can't be that much different from the U11. We may get it quicker than we think?
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Is absolutely different. The life version is an "android one" device.
Is normal, as expected, that the u11 life get first the updates.
Now, should update the u12+, then the u11+ and the last the u11. If we get the update on February I would say that we are lucky.

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HTC release Pie for U11 life https://www.ubergizmo.com/2018/11/htc-u11-life-android-pie-update/
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The firmware for the U11 life can't be that much different from the U11. We may get it quicker than we think?
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U11 life has 2 version:
1 version with HTC software, officially not getting Pie, and will never get
1 version in the Android One program, so it get updated to Android Pie
Don't mess both version, because they are never the same .
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In this case "in due course" translates to "we have no plans".
I haven't seen any new information about Pie for the U11 since this announcement, and don't expect Pie in 2018.
Maybe in early 2019 ? But even that isn't sure.
Maybe HTC will close down before releasing it.
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I'm already expecting they will release a apology statement for not updating U11. Just wait for our awesome developer community

How long will we get updates?

Now that the OP7 is officially announced, is there a time limit on O/S updates to our OP5's?
Alan

I don't have any official statement regarding OxygenOS, but if you use LineageOS, the Oneplus One, 2 and 3 are still supported so I can't imagine support for 5 flailing anytime soon: https://download.lineageos.org/ <-- (Oneplus One updates as recent as today)

I am in China, my oneplus 5 will receive updates almost every week.：伊克：

He's probably referring to the Oxygen OS updates. Community based ROMs will get support for some time to come. I think I recall OP promised 2 major updates, so OOS might see Q for OP5/T, but don't take my word on it.

I think we will not get an official update with Android Q, but the monthly security updates should be continue for another year or so at least I imagine? Just guessing.

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Now that the OP7 is officially announced, is there a time limit on O/S updates to our OP5's?
Alan
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Best bet, ask OnePlus themselves instead of all of this speculation.

So it seems Android Q will come to OP5: https://www.androidpolice.com/2019/...d-zen-mode-from-7-pro-but-not-nightscape-2-0/

https://forums.oneplus.com/threads/...eatures-heading-to-oneplus-5-5t-6-6t.1037976/
Android Q update
We have already released Android Q Developer Preview on the forum for the OnePlus 7 Pro and OnePlus 6/6T, available. For those wondering, rest assured: Android Q will also make its way to the OnePlus 5 and 5T. Just remember, there are no ETAs.​
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Regarding future updates

update 3rd Nov: Asus rolling out updates for Zenfone 6
https://www.xda-developers.com/asus-zenfone-6-android-10-update/
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Received update 59. Just security fixes. Does anyone know till how long we will receive updates?
I remember reading way back that we will receive two major Android updates so Android 10 also?
If not wanted to know anyone has used lineage os or another rom for this device and their experiences.

We are supposed to receive Android 10. There's no ETA on it. My device came with 8.1, 340 update and subsequently I received regular updates (056 to 059) and I think it'll be a while till we keep getting them. Asus has been regular on doing this. Apart from battery issues and drops, there aren't any issues to these.

Yup. I too remember the 2 year sw upgrade. I tweeted to asus. They said that they are reviewing whether they are going to push the update 10 update to m1 or not. Apparently they care too much about "stability and experience". They said the list of devices is gonna be out very soon on their official website. This was 4-5days back.

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Yup. I too remember the 2 year sw upgrade. I tweeted to asus. They said that they are reviewing whether they are going to push the update 10 update to m1 or not. Apparently they care too much about "stability and experience". They said the list of devices is gonna be out very soon on their official website. This was 4-5days back.
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Stability? If they push it for Max Pro M2, it's going to be a big bluff and nothing else. There's not major difference between M1 & M2 hardwares and if M2 can manage it, so can M1.

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Yup. I too remember the 2 year sw upgrade. ... They said the list of devices is gonna be out very soon on their official website. This was 4-5days back.
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We have list from other manufactures hope so Asus releases soon.
https://fossbytes.com/android-q-smartphone-list/

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Stability? If they push it for Max Pro M2, it's going to be a big bluff and nothing else. There's not major difference between M1 & M2 hardwares and if M2 can manage it, so can M1.
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Is not the m2 a 660 chipset and m1 is 636?

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Is not the m2 a 660 chipset and m1 is 636?
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Yes but in real world condition it wouldn't matter there's not much difference in day to day tasks. Updating M2 would just be an excuse to give to people to buy the new model instead of the year old M1.
Detailed Comparo: https://www.guidingtech.com/snapdragon-636-vs-660-comparison/

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Yes but in real world condition it wouldn't matter there's not much difference in day to day tasks. Updating M2 would just be an excuse to give to people to buy the new model instead of the year old M1.
Detailed Comparo: https://www.guidingtech.com/snapdragon-636-vs-660-comparison/
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both 660 and 636 uses same motherboard what so ever so they both are just same cpus with just little different internals

Update for Zenfone 6 begins
https://www.xda-developers.com/asus-zenfone-6-android-10-update/
no official list released yet.

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https://www.xda-developers.com/asus-zenfone-6-android-10-update/
no official list released yet.
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I'm counting on Asus to release a list soon. M2 Pro will get the first update in the series I assume. Rest will follow.

Sadly, I've never seen a phone improve with new versions of Android, and the same goes for M1: only problems and battery drain after Pie update.
Why don't vendors keep the native version of Android on every phone and just provide security fixes?
Is it not possible because of Android's development strategy?
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Lulodroid said:
Sadly, I've never seen a phone improve with new versions of Android, and the same goes for M1: only problems and battery drain after Pie update.
Why don't vendors keep the native version of Android on every phone and just provide security fixes?
Is it not possible because of Android's development strategy?
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well the answer is ofcourse money. so that they can churn new phones every year. contrast this with something like the Essential phone which released with Android 7 in August 2017 and still got Android 10 recently.
It's perfectly possible to have a phone that can last as long as computers. projects like librem from purism plan to do just that.

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well the answer is ofcourse money. so that they can churn new phones every year. contrast this with something like the Essential phone which released with Android 7 in August 2017 and still got Android 10 recently.
It's perfectly possible to have a phone that can last as long as computers. projects like librem from purism plan to do just that.
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That's not what other person said. He meant an android should keep its original android version (the android on which it is launched) and just receive security updates.

z1_nile said:
That's not what other person said. He meant an android should keep its original android version (the android on which it is launched) and just receive security updates.
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oh I misunderstood native to mean a pure Android experience.
Then yes the Android update system does have some technical challenges well documented on various websites.
To summarize I'd say the first blocker is that Google stops supporting older Android versions after some time. Iirc they support the latest two versions of Android. So maybe they will drop support for oreo this December?
The second is Android is not based off of the mainline Linux kernel so it's harder to backport kernel security changes. Google and others worked with the kernel developers to have a long term release branch to receive security updates for longer (at least 2 years).
A third would be if OEMs like Asus have a limited contact with chip vendors like Qualcomm to provide blob updates for x years. usually the support warranty of the device.

z1_nile said:
That's not what other person said. He meant an android should keep its original android version (the android on which it is launched) and just receive security updates.
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What he wants should be fairly possible on all devices that have run Android 8 (native) ever since Project Treble has started.