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Post-Oreo updates discussion

Now that most of us have received the Oreo update I'm beginning to wonder whether will we receive future android updates, especially when we can witness the company's attitude towards their former flagship (Honor 8). On the other hand, Oreo included project treble support which supposedly should make updates easier to create and implement.
I've heard that they had promised 2 year update support for their devices, so theoretically it would include the Android 9. Taking into account the 6 month delay after Google will have released it.
What do you guys think about our devices future?

Kuba565 said:
Now that most of us have received the Oreo update I'm beginning to wonder whether will we receive future android updates, especially when we can witness the company's attitude towards their former flagship (Honor 8). On the other hand, Oreo included project treble support which supposedly should make updates easier to create and implement.
I've heard that they had promised 2 year update support for their devices, so theoretically it would include the Android 9. Taking into account the 6 month delay after Google will have released it.
What do you guys think about our devices future?
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yes, it should have Android 9 in future. but who knows...

Kuba565 said:
Now that most of us have received the Oreo update I'm beginning to wonder whether will we receive future android updates, especially when we can witness the company's attitude towards their former flagship (Honor 8). On the other hand, Oreo included project treble support which supposedly should make updates easier to create and implement.
I've heard that they had promised 2 year update support for their devices, so theoretically it would include the Android 9. Taking into account the 6 month delay after Google will have released it.
What do you guys think about our devices future?
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No update yet still...Maybe add 3-4 months additional, apart from the 6 months....

Kuba565 said:
Now that most of us have received the Oreo update I'm beginning to wonder whether will we receive future android updates, especially when we can witness the company's attitude towards their former flagship (Honor 8). On the other hand, Oreo included project treble support which supposedly should make updates easier to create and implement.
I've heard that they had promised 2 year update support for their devices, so theoretically it would include the Android 9. Taking into account the 6 month delay after Google will have released it.
What do you guys think about our devices future?
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Most probably it will receive the Android P update but by the time, it would get that update, Android Q would have released.

No Android P beta for Oneplus 5t, the existing flagship of OnePlus

For the first time Google, Android P's latest beta will be available on non pixel / Nexus devices including OnePlus 6, Essential PH-1, Xiaomi Mi Mix 2S, Sony Xperia XZ2, Nokia 7 Plus, Oppo R15 Pro, and Vivo X21.
I immediately jumped to get my 5T signed up, only to face disappointment.
Android P beta for OnePlus 5t was skipped and the same was available only for yet to launch OnePlus 6.
Lately I have got a feeling that OnePlus has shifted their interest from consumer focused company to buiness oriented company who are more concerned about thier new flagship and less concerned about thier previous users.
The unofficial treble support was provided to our device by the hardworking developers of OnePlus community but OnePlus did not make any efforts to provide the same.
The OnePlus community should send a strong message to the company that they should not make the old coustmers feel left out.
We should pass following message to OnePlus:-
a) Providing official treble support to 5 and 5t.
b) Providing the lastest Android version along with their new flagship phones.( Which will be possible if support for project treble is available).
c) Providing all the exlusive upcoming features to previous generation phones (5 & 5t) till the time hardware permits.

A) That is not going to happen. But Mokee ported Treble so hopefully an P Beta port will come to 5T at some point.
C) This is OnePlus we're talking about, I doubt they will.
I really don't think they care about the community anymore.

I thought OnePlus had quietly prepared the 5T for Treble by creating an empty Vendor partition in the background? It's not formatted yet, and OOS doesn't see it, but it's there?
I'm unhappy too, that they didn't use the 5T for their P beta, but if they provided the official base for Treble, then maybe we'll still see something from them or at least it will be easier for the XDA Devs...

Lossyx said:
A) That is not going to happen. But Mokee ported Treble so hopefully an P Beta port will come to 5T at some point.
C) This is OnePlus we're talking about, I doubt they will.
I really don't think they care about the community anymore.
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A) If we push.. all of us.. we might stand a chance.
C) Exactly

As I commented in the news.
Quote Google: "beta available TODAY from those OEMs".
The "today" tricked me into thinking that this would be my beloved 5t but Oneplus let Google speak about an even unannounced device just to get in that damn presentation.
In other words: Oneplus doesn't even care about their existing flagship the moment they know the rough release date for their next one. This is beyond everything I have ever seen in the smartphone business. At the same time advertising heavily the OP5t on Amazon to get one of the last ones.
Oneplus was never a community focused company they just said it so often that the people thought it would be so.
HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT!

As far as I can see this whole Situation; we will get a taste of Android P anyway. Either officially or non official.
Official: because there in fact is an unused Partition (unformatted)
Unofficial: because hobby dev peeps around the globe were able to make the oneplus 5t Support treble.. therefore custom Rom creators should be able to create Android P roms for it.

Are y'all really surprised that we wouldn't get a P beta? Lol
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Yes I'm in. Let's make a petition on change.org ?

Many people said of the oneplus 5t, it's the best against essencial phone... Better software, updates, design... But Essencial phone 1 have the beta xD
Now who is the best ??
I have a 5t

Android P require treble ?

I know this won't go down well, but did none of you do your homework on OnePlus before buying the 5t? OnePlus launch a new, replacement device every six months and concentrate on marketing and selling that; Every six months our new (to us) device gets moved to the back burner.
This is not a new strategy, and should not come as a surprise! Google how OnePlus 2 owners felt! I owned a 3t that was virtually obsolete four months later!
And every time this happens - every six months when a new device is launched - there is a thread on XDA to petition OnePlus about the unfairness of it all!
If this news is a surprise to anyone you should've been more aware of how the company operates.
Rant over.

Really dont't care for stock android p beta.
Much prefer for oxygen beta program with android P
Stock android is very poor and lack customization and feature option that oxygen offer.
If i want stock android experiance better solution is AOSP custom rom with plenty of feature and customization insteed of totaly naked stock android by Google IMO.

So we get OOS beta based on P later. (OP6 get first.)

I'm guessing we're still getting Treble support. There already is a /vendor partition created in one of the Beta updates iirc and they said: "Something exciting for you OnePlus 5/5T owners later this summer". So i'm guessing they're referring to Treble support.

CrEaTiiOn_187 said:
I'm guessing we're still getting Treble support. There already is a /vendor partition created in one of the Beta updates iirc and they said: "Something exciting for you OnePlus 5/5T owners later this summer". So i'm guessing they're referring to Treble support.
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Where is it written?

cutmylifein2 said:
Where is it written?
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Look at the screenshot. Last section of text.

CrEaTiiOn_187 said:
Look at the screenshot. Last section of text.
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Later this year and later this summer are different my friend.
Later this year means December and not before that.. but OnePlus 6 will get it immediately on launch..
Essential phone has got it already.. y not us is the question

cutmylifein2 said:
Later this year and later this summer are different my friend.
Later this year means December and not before that.. but OnePlus 6 will get it immediately on launch..
Essential phone has got it already.. y not us is the question
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Yh one does not always remember the exact words. P requires Treble we do not have Treble hence why we don't get it yet. If you really want it install MoKee ROM which enables Treble and wait for an Android P GSI.

Everyone should stop acting like treble is a hardware based thing.
The only reasons we did not get the beta is that Oneplus 1. is too lazy to deliver 2. wants to boost OP6 sales.
Treble is something completely software based and can be added at any given time (even without bricking the device).
I think the real reason we are complaining is (like the title says) that Oneplus is announcing stuff for a device that isn't even on sale yet.
It's like Google would have said "...and of course Pixel 3 is getting the beta from day one. We are already testing it internally and it is working great. In the meantime we are all very happy that you bought Pixel 2".

Not surprising from OnePlus. Unfortunately, they only seem to be concerned with what's the best way to make more money even if it involves abandoning their current users. This move, like all the moves they make, is about money. Doesn't matter if they ignore their current flagship device or users. Sad but true.

Provide Android P beta for the Oneplus 5T

Please sign the petition on change.org
Search for "Android p for oneplus 5t"
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Oneplus is only focusing on their newer flagship oneplus 6. They don't care about their current flagship 5t and the community. Many other OEM's like Essential, Nokia, Xiaomi, Vivo and Oppo providing the android P beta for their current flagship devices.
Google made everyone believe that android P beta was available from listed OEM's at Google I/O 2018 but Oneplus didn't provide the beta. Instead, they said the beta would be available at time of Oneplus 6 launch which is wrong because Google announced that the beta was available from those manufacturers that very day. Oneplus is becoming more bussines oriented and don't care about the existing customers.
I would like Oneplus to launch the android P beta for the oneplus 5t.

This is a preview of a Developer Beta. You shouldn't expect it to come out for all devices in the marketplace. There are certain restrictions and requirements Google has set in Android P that the OnePlus 5T does not meet (vendor partition). All of the devices on their official list do meet this requirement.
I don't think OnePlus is in the wrong here at all.

xocomaox said:
This is a preview of a Developer Beta. You shouldn't expect it to come out for all devices in the marketplace. There are certain restrictions and requirements Google has set in Android P that the OnePlus 5T does not meet (vendor partition). All of the devices on their official list do meet this requirement.
I don't think OnePlus is in the wrong here at all.
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Well i agree with you no beta without treble, but oneplus is only technically not at fault, they should have given a vendor partition, all this was just to make sure op6 gets the newbies and 5t has the same cycle as 5, shipping 5t with 7.1.2 hence no vendor partition

bhavstech said:
Well i agree with you no beta without treble, but oneplus is only technically not at fault, they should have given a vendor partition, all this was just to make sure op6 gets the newbies and 5t has the same cycle as 5, shipping 5t with 7.1.2 hence no vendor partition
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Well, you can ship phones with Oreo and no vendor partition. It's just not recommended. But to tell them they should be offering the preview to Android P is a little absurd. Especially since they already have their own Beta program going on with four of their phones.

Why do y'all want to run a beta so bad??
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xocomaox said:
Well, you can ship phones with Oreo and no vendor partition. It's just not recommended. But to tell them they should be offering the preview to Android P is a little absurd. Especially since they already have their own Beta program going on with four of their phones.
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My point being oneplus could have just released op5t with oreo with treble enabled not even creating this problem in first place

bhavstech said:
My point being oneplus could have just released op5t with oreo with treble enabled not even creating this problem in first place
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xocomaox said:
Well, you can ship phones with Oreo and no vendor partition. It's just not recommended. But to tell them they should be offering the preview to Android P is a little absurd. Especially since they already have their own Beta program going on with four of their phones.
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There is already a partition that can be used as a vendor partition (That's how we have unofficial support). I assume that if there is already unofficial Treble support without re-partitioning OP should have no problem doing that as well. They most likely want us to buy the OP6 :\

iamterence said:
Why do y'all want to run a beta so bad??
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Because it's Stable with all the new feathures, NOT available on stable. Usually after around 2-3 weeks they are.

bhavstech said:
My point being oneplus could have just released op5t with oreo with treble enabled not even creating this problem in first place
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That's the thing, this isn't really a "problem" as it's a developer preview which isn't normally available on non-Nexus/Pixel devices.
ussl said:
There is already a partition that can be used as a vendor partition (That's how we have unofficial support). I assume that if there is already unofficial Treble support without re-partitioning OP should have no problem doing that as well. They most likely want us to buy the OP6 :\
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This involves a potentially dangerous partition modification that no manufacturer would voluntarily offer to their users. I don't blame them, either.

pg6y said:
Please sign the petition on change.org
Search for "Android p for oneplus 5t"
I can't post the link due to some issues
Oneplus is only focusing on their newer flagship oneplus 6. They don't care about their current flagship 5t and the community. Many other OEM's like Essential, Nokia, Xiaomi, Vivo and Oppo providing the android P beta for their current flagship devices.
Google made everyone believe that android P beta was available from listed OEM's at Google I/O 2018 but Oneplus didn't provide the beta. Instead, they said the beta would be available at time of Oneplus 6 launch which is wrong because Google announced that the beta was available from those manufacturers that very day. Oneplus is becoming more bussines oriented and don't care about the existing customers.
I would like Oneplus to launch the android P beta for the oneplus 5t.
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One news about an OS and people go crazy...if u need new OS (alpha,beta) as soon as it's available then y don't u buy Pixel phones

Fir3lordZuk0 said:
One news about an OS and people go crazy...if u need new OS (alpha,beta) as soon as it's available then y don't u buy Pixel phones
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I would have bought a pixel phone, but it's only available in like 6 countries (which is pure stupidity from Google)
Edit: it costs quite a bit too

Although it's tempting, I would never run beta on a daily driver.

I doubt OP will release a DP for P. But isn't it likely, with unofficial treble support, a Dev will build a DP treble rom? It's open source, right? So isn't that a possibility?

Asking for a dev preview is kinda shortsighted. Personally I would prefer for Oneplus to release a stable OOS based on Android P in less than a month or two after the stable source code has been released by Google.
Sent from my OnePlus 5T

Next week op6 is out. I'm sure will get an update. It's like that since op3.

pg6y said:
Please sign the petition on change.org
Search for "Android p for oneplus 5t"
I can't post the link due to some issues
Oneplus is only focusing on their newer flagship oneplus 6. They don't care about their current flagship 5t and the community. Many other OEM's like Essential, Nokia, Xiaomi, Vivo and Oppo providing the android P beta for their current flagship devices.
Google made everyone believe that android P beta was available from listed OEM's at Google I/O 2018 but Oneplus didn't provide the beta. Instead, they said the beta would be available at time of Oneplus 6 launch which is wrong because Google announced that the beta was available from those manufacturers that very day. Oneplus is becoming more bussines oriented and don't care about the existing customers.
I would like Oneplus to launch the android P beta for the oneplus 5t.
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Done!

https://youtu.be/BekWYF1RuQk
So this is what you people are causing all this fuss for?? Lmao
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iamterence said:
So this is what you people are causing all this fuss for?? Lmao
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Exactly, lol.
Im sure android P will be available for our devices when it is stable enough. Just wait and try out your stock rom or if you want to try something else then flash custom roms to make you feel happy.

bobandar said:
Exactly, lol.
Im sure android P will be available for our devices when it is stable enough. Just wait and try out your stock rom or if you want to try something else then flash custom roms to make you feel happy.
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We'll definitely be getting P later this year, as OnePlus have said themselves, but then it gets announced that the OP6 is getting the open beta and everybody wanted to cry murder "WAHHHH ONE PLUS HATES THEIR CUSTOMERS, NO TREBLE?!?! NO OPEN BETA FOR P WTF ONEPLUS HEY EVERYBODY PLEASE SIGN THIS PETITION TO GET ONEPLUS TO PUSH THE P BETA TO OLDER OP DEVICES WAHHH WAHHH"
And this is the experience everybody cried for lmao. XDA never ceases to amaze me
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iamterence said:
We'll definitely be getting P later this year, as OnePlus have said themselves, but then it gets announced that the OP6 is getting the open beta and everybody wanted to cry murder "WAHHHH ONE PLUS HATES THEIR CUSTOMERS, NO TREBLE?!?! NO OPEN BETA FOR P WTF ONEPLUS HEY EVERYBODY PLEASE SIGN THIS PETITION TO GET ONEPLUS TO PUSH THE P BETA TO OLDER OP DEVICES WAHHH WAHHH"
And this is the experience everybody cried for lmao. XDA never ceases to amaze me
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True ?

Android Updates?

The one thing holding me back from immediately ordering the 6T upon release is my experience with the 5 and Android updates. I am still waiting on the update to Pie, despite it's wide scale availability and other devices being updated already.
Does OnePlus plan on changing their software update cycles to match someone like Essential?

We would all like faster updates, but android pie is not widely avaiable yet, it doesn't even show up on statistics: https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/
Not that many devices have received yet, but I agree that updates should already be faster, Essential did a good job.

You can expect 2 year software support for 6/6T is what i can say for now. Rest wait AMA/FAQ's to be shared after the launch for the precise info.

Negotiator50 said:
The one thing holding me back from immediately ordering the 6T upon release is my experience with the 5 and Android updates. I am still waiting on the update to Pie, despite it's wide scale availability and other devices being updated already.
Does OnePlus plan on changing their software update cycles to match someone like Essential?
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Wich other devices from 2017 being updated on official 9.0 can you tell me?

Funk Wizard said:
You can expect 2 year software support for 6/6T is what i can say for now. Rest wait AMA/FAQ's to be shared after the launch for the precise info.
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Is it fair to say that OxygenOS can be used therefore up until November 2020 and then if you want the latest version of Android thereafter (for those who plan to use for greater than 2 years) to flash a custom rom ?

SlyUK said:
Is it fair to say that OxygenOS can be used therefore up until November 2020 and then if you want the latest version of Android thereafter (for those who plan to use for greater than 2 years) to flash a custom rom ?
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OnePlus devices always have great developer support and the same is going to continue with the 6T. Official support and software updates will be assured till 2020. Official AMA and FAQ's after the release will confirm the same for your satisfaction.
Custom roms will be available since the beginning as soon as the sources are out and developers start getting their units within the 2-3 weeks of the launch, custom roms come in soon. Kernels would come even before infact within a week or two as the sources would be out soon after release which is generally the case when it comes to oneplus devices.
Buy with confidence, I'll see you around :good:

Funk Wizard said:
OnePlus devices always have great developer support and the same is going to continue with the 6T. Official support and software updates will be assured till 2020. Official AMA and FAQ's after the release will confirm the same for your satisfaction.
Custom roms will be available since the beginning as soon as the sources are out and developers start getting their units within the 2-3 weeks of the launch, custom roms come in soon. Kernels would come even before infact within a week or two as the sources would be out soon after release which is generally the case when it comes to oneplus devices.
Buy with confidence, I'll see you around :good:
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What are the chances of things becoming unified and cross development with what is already available in terms of roms and kernels for the OnePlus 6 ?

SlyUK said:
What are the chances of things becoming unified and cross development with what is already available in terms of roms and kernels for the OnePlus 6 ?
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Looking at the past devices the chances are 100%
Infact someone who knows how to read the tree said the sources are already united so the development would be united soon. By bet is 2019 first quarter :good:

Funk Wizard said:
Looking at the past devices the chances are 100%
Infact someone who knows how to read the tree said the sources are already united so the development would be united soon. By bet is 2019 first quarter :good:
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Very exciting times ahead

cultofluna said:
Wich other devices from 2017 being updated on official 9.0 can you tell me?
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Essential Phone, which was released in May 2017

Negotiator50 said:
Essential Phone, which was released in May 2017
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Any from 2016 which are going to?

they already announced that they'll give 2years of android update to their devices. besides we have project treble now. in case you haven't noticed after treble many phones got pie update one way or other.

Regarding future updates

update 3rd Nov: Asus rolling out updates for Zenfone 6
https://www.xda-developers.com/asus-zenfone-6-android-10-update/
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Received update 59. Just security fixes. Does anyone know till how long we will receive updates?
I remember reading way back that we will receive two major Android updates so Android 10 also?
If not wanted to know anyone has used lineage os or another rom for this device and their experiences.

We are supposed to receive Android 10. There's no ETA on it. My device came with 8.1, 340 update and subsequently I received regular updates (056 to 059) and I think it'll be a while till we keep getting them. Asus has been regular on doing this. Apart from battery issues and drops, there aren't any issues to these.

Yup. I too remember the 2 year sw upgrade. I tweeted to asus. They said that they are reviewing whether they are going to push the update 10 update to m1 or not. Apparently they care too much about "stability and experience". They said the list of devices is gonna be out very soon on their official website. This was 4-5days back.

debdeep98 said:
Yup. I too remember the 2 year sw upgrade. I tweeted to asus. They said that they are reviewing whether they are going to push the update 10 update to m1 or not. Apparently they care too much about "stability and experience". They said the list of devices is gonna be out very soon on their official website. This was 4-5days back.
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Stability? If they push it for Max Pro M2, it's going to be a big bluff and nothing else. There's not major difference between M1 & M2 hardwares and if M2 can manage it, so can M1.

debdeep98 said:
Yup. I too remember the 2 year sw upgrade. ... They said the list of devices is gonna be out very soon on their official website. This was 4-5days back.
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We have list from other manufactures hope so Asus releases soon.
https://fossbytes.com/android-q-smartphone-list/

SpiralX15 said:
Stability? If they push it for Max Pro M2, it's going to be a big bluff and nothing else. There's not major difference between M1 & M2 hardwares and if M2 can manage it, so can M1.
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Is not the m2 a 660 chipset and m1 is 636?

pankym24 said:
Is not the m2 a 660 chipset and m1 is 636?
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Yes but in real world condition it wouldn't matter there's not much difference in day to day tasks. Updating M2 would just be an excuse to give to people to buy the new model instead of the year old M1.
Detailed Comparo: https://www.guidingtech.com/snapdragon-636-vs-660-comparison/

SpiralX15 said:
Yes but in real world condition it wouldn't matter there's not much difference in day to day tasks. Updating M2 would just be an excuse to give to people to buy the new model instead of the year old M1.
Detailed Comparo: https://www.guidingtech.com/snapdragon-636-vs-660-comparison/
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both 660 and 636 uses same motherboard what so ever so they both are just same cpus with just little different internals

Update for Zenfone 6 begins
https://www.xda-developers.com/asus-zenfone-6-android-10-update/
no official list released yet.

pankym24 said:
https://www.xda-developers.com/asus-zenfone-6-android-10-update/
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I'm counting on Asus to release a list soon. M2 Pro will get the first update in the series I assume. Rest will follow.

Sadly, I've never seen a phone improve with new versions of Android, and the same goes for M1: only problems and battery drain after Pie update.
Why don't vendors keep the native version of Android on every phone and just provide security fixes?
Is it not possible because of Android's development strategy?
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Lulodroid said:
Sadly, I've never seen a phone improve with new versions of Android, and the same goes for M1: only problems and battery drain after Pie update.
Why don't vendors keep the native version of Android on every phone and just provide security fixes?
Is it not possible because of Android's development strategy?
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well the answer is ofcourse money. so that they can churn new phones every year. contrast this with something like the Essential phone which released with Android 7 in August 2017 and still got Android 10 recently.
It's perfectly possible to have a phone that can last as long as computers. projects like librem from purism plan to do just that.

pankym24 said:
well the answer is ofcourse money. so that they can churn new phones every year. contrast this with something like the Essential phone which released with Android 7 in August 2017 and still got Android 10 recently.
It's perfectly possible to have a phone that can last as long as computers. projects like librem from purism plan to do just that.
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That's not what other person said. He meant an android should keep its original android version (the android on which it is launched) and just receive security updates.

z1_nile said:
That's not what other person said. He meant an android should keep its original android version (the android on which it is launched) and just receive security updates.
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oh I misunderstood native to mean a pure Android experience.
Then yes the Android update system does have some technical challenges well documented on various websites.
To summarize I'd say the first blocker is that Google stops supporting older Android versions after some time. Iirc they support the latest two versions of Android. So maybe they will drop support for oreo this December?
The second is Android is not based off of the mainline Linux kernel so it's harder to backport kernel security changes. Google and others worked with the kernel developers to have a long term release branch to receive security updates for longer (at least 2 years).
A third would be if OEMs like Asus have a limited contact with chip vendors like Qualcomm to provide blob updates for x years. usually the support warranty of the device.

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That's not what other person said. He meant an android should keep its original android version (the android on which it is launched) and just receive security updates.
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What he wants should be fairly possible on all devices that have run Android 8 (native) ever since Project Treble has started.