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Before I moved to Samsung Amoled, all my ex phones displayed clock in standby screen be it b/w or color. Nokia 8310 (b/w screen), Nokia 7250 (color lcd), Nokia E61 (lcd), Nokia E71 (lcd), Nokia N8 (oled) and then this trend ended at Galaxy S2, Galaxy Note and I was hoping magically it comes back in Galaxy Note 3.
To circumvent this problem, madmack made app NoLED. But the problem is, when NoLED is displaying minuscule icons, CPU has to hum without going to Deep Sleep and then you cannot really get battery efficiency. In the NoLED forum, madmack said he thinks Nokia N8 has this feature enabled from hardware level. So Samsung phones though have AMOLED, developers cannot discreetly display information letting CPU sleep deeply.
I applaud Motorola for making Moto X and I guess their sole reason to go AMOLED is for this very reason - display clock/notifications at all times. They added secondary chip to take control of display without hitting the CPU. Nokia must have gone with OLED in phones like N8, C7 for these features too.
So it is apparent that one of the reason oems choose OLED is for always on clock and notifications.
Now we have king of OLED Samsung who is never interested in these things. It is laughable that Galaxy Gear which comes with AMOLED cannot display clock at all times.
I even wrote this to Samsung through a friend who works there. Hope if Moto X gets popular, Samsung will look into this matter seriously.
Sounds like you should buy the Motorola.
Well for now I plan to stick with Samsung (likely Note 3) for SPen. Will get Casio GShock not-so-smart-watch for always on clock and notifications
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Nokia 8310 (b/w screen), Nokia 7250 (color lcd), Nokia E61 (lcd), Nokia E71 (lcd), Nokia N8 (oled)
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Those phones are all Symbian.
I applaud Motorola for making Moto X and I guess their sole reason to go AMOLED is for this very reason
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The Moto X has a dedicated chip that operates independently of the SoC to support "always on" functions.
CPU has to hum without going to Deep Sleep and then you cannot really get battery efficiency.
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And you answered your own question as to why Android doesn't support what you're looking for; at least using standard single-solution SoCs.
I even wrote this to Samsung through a friend who works there. Hope if Moto X gets popular, Samsung will look into this matter seriously.
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Their degree of seriousness will depend on how many people feel like you do. In the meantime putting the phone in to desktop dock mode manually does what you're looking for but will drain the battery; not because of AMOLED vs. LCD but because the phone’s being kept awake. You can also use Quick glance which displays the time and status without unlocking the phone when you wave your hand over it.
Hey guys just want to ask a little question about the 6P. One of my favorite features on my Moto x at the time was the active display, dont understand why other company's like samsung wont do this since they also use a AMOLED screen. I havent heard anyone talk about this so im wondering if the 6P has some sort of active display like the N6 had or that just a moto feature? Im trying to break away from my S6 for reasons (biggest being it cant multi-task) and the LG v10 and Nexus 6P are both on my radar.
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6P's active display is hit or miss according to reviewers. May be they'll fix it in next update. Afterall we should have something to look up to and cheer when it gets fixed in an update, right?
Pretty sure the nexus 6p has active display, or some variant... I've seen it in a few videos. It doesn't work like the moto x style as it has no IR on the front (booo) but pretty sure if you move the phone it can show you notifications/time/date etc.
Also, shouldn't this be in a QA section?
What's active display¿,I seen one review saying you should put display in SRGB !ode for beat quality
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combat goofwing said:
What's active display¿,I seen one review saying you should put display in SRGB !ode for beat quality
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Active display is a feature Motorola came out with when they launched the 2012 moto x. Since the phone had a AMOLED screen it allowed them to use the screen as a notification display. I would love picking my phone out my pocket and it showing the time/date without me having to hit the power button. The more I think of it the more I realize that the moto x was the best phone I used.
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Hey guys just want to ask a little question about the 6P. One of my favorite features on my Moto x at the time was the active display, dont understand why other company's like samsung wont do this since they also use a AMOLED screen. I havent heard anyone talk about this so im wondering if the 6P has some sort of active display like the N6 had or that just a moto feature? Im trying to break away from my S6 for reasons (biggest being it cant multi-task) and the LG v10 and Nexus 6P are both on my radar.
*edit* Thought I posted this in Q&A section, if a mod can please move.
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samsung note 3 used to have a feature where you went to pick it up, it used to show time/notifications...forgot what sammy called it
For the Nexus 6P it's called "ambient display" and it will work when you pick up the phone. It'll show time, date and notifications plus the notification LED will work at the same time. Pretty nice feature
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For the Nexus 6P it's called "ambient display" and it will work when you pick up the phone. It'll show time, date and notifications plus the notification LED will work at the same time. Pretty nice feature
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Awesome thanks for the info, now I just need to wait for it to come out near me.
Hi, so I got my Nexus 6P today.
While I love the phone, I must say that (at least in my case) ambient display is hopeless. I've now disabled it.
It never seems to come on when I want it too without a few seconds delay, by which point I might as well be using the phone, and when you don't want it to come on it pops up every 15 seconds even when say completely still on my desk. No idea what's going on, but hey.
On the plus slide, Light Flow works a dream with the LED and that's good enough for me for the time being. Hopefully Old Good will fix ambient display shortly (assuming I just don't have a dodgy device).
Edit: Just occurred to me that it might be lightflow messing up Ambient display even though the LED works fine itself. I'll uninstall & report back.
Quick update. Seems to be the LED that causes the issue, turn if off in settings and ambient display works fine again. Hopefully something a quick software fix will sort out.
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Quick update. Seems to be the LED that causes the issue, turn if off in settings and ambient display works fine again. Hopefully something a quick software fix will sort out.
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Thats kinda strange, on the 2012 moto x there was a led light but was disabled for some reason, not even lightflow could bring it on.
What is the proper way to make active display even turn on? Can't figure it out, it's so random. Tried with LED on and off.
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What is the proper way to make active display even turn on? Can't figure it out, it's so random. Tried with LED on and off.
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This Ambient Display feature is so frustrating! It should be great, but it's just so unpredictable. How is it supposed to work...?
Same problem here. Hope it will be fixed though
Holding the phone parallel to the ground then lifting the top up until the phone is vertical in one quick motion activates the display pretty reliably for me.
mine never thriggers the display when i take it out of pocket. when on my desk is sort of meh :/
Samsung's Always On is honestly trash in comparison. It basically shows me the time and that's it. Motorola's shows the time and ALL your missed notifications as well as the ability to quickly get a preview of the notifications without having to unlock your phone.
I really hope Samsung fixes this when they release Android N.
In the meantime, does anyone know of a third-party app similar to Motorola's Active Display?
It seems like most android fans GREATLY overestimate what third party apps can do. A lot of important features on phones require a level of hardware-software integration you're just not going to get from anywhere other than the manufacturer of your phone.
Always oh displays is one such example. Having an amoled display is far from being able to just use it always on. The standby power consumption would be prohibitive.
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It seems like most android fans GREATLY overestimate what third party apps can do. A lot of important features on phones require a level of hardware-software integration you're just not going to get from anywhere other than the manufacturer of your phone.
Always oh displays is one such example. Having an amoled display is far from being able to just use it always on. The standby power consumption would be prohibitive.
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What do you mean? The AOD is just a piece of software which wakes every minute and changes the screen. The screen is amoled. It doesn't matter which app it uses.
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What do you mean? The AOD is just a piece of software which wakes every minute and changes the screen. The screen is amoled. It doesn't matter which app it uses.
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Yes it is just a piece of software, it's not magic that's for sure. However it isn't something you'll ever find a replacement in the Play Store.
Just like no Playstore camera app is even close to the stock camera app from any of the reputable manufacturers like Samsung, LG, HTC or Huawei.
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Yes it is just a piece of software, it's not magic that's for sure. However it isn't something you'll ever find a replacement in the Play Store.
Just like no Playstore camera app is even close to the stock camera app from any of the reputable manufacturers like Samsung, LG, HTC or Huawei.
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That's mostly because of closed sources, proprietary software, licencing & patents, etc and not because of incompatibility.
I found a few apps that do similar things as Moto Active Display. They are AC Display, Active Notification, and Dynamic Notifications.
The problem with using them on different devices is that Motorola's Moto X series of devices have 4 infrared sensors in each 4 corners of the screen so the device is aware of when you reach to grab it. Most other phones only have the proximity sensor which is not as precise nor as flexible.
I'd love to see some opinion and testing of AcDisplay on the S7.
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I'd love to see some opinion and testing of AcDisplay on the S7.
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Wave to wake works about 50 percent of the time, although it really is more "rub to wake". Raise to wake needs a way too forceful and deliberate action, it wastes battery, and for some reason if you double tap the screen it disables the fingerprint unlock for your next unlock. So TL;DR - don't use.
Well, let's hope Samsung does more with the Always On with future updates and Android N.
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Well, let's hope Samsung does more with the Always On with future updates and Android N.
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Hopped on just to second this. Moto's active display kept me with their devices for years. It's one of those features that just functionally improves phone usage in a dramatic way. Dramatic enough to command my loyalty for generations of devices. Just got an S7 and there's no comparison. Might be heading back.
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Hopped on just to second this. Moto's active display kept me with their devices for years. It's one of those features that just functionally improves phone usage in a dramatic way. Dramatic enough to command my loyalty for generations of devices. Just got an S7 and there's no comparison. Might be heading back.
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You're a new user to a 2+ year old phone. You're not included in their market share. No manufacturer cares what used phone you prefer.
I don't recall my S7A AOD. Did my S9+, S8+, and Note 8 address these issues?
So, I wanted to try something different, and I was allowed to use an iPhone 6 Plus for a period of time, to see what the competition has to offer. I gave it a good try, and after two weeks of use, I am switching back to my Nexus 6.
Here is why:
1. Notifications - Google has really hit the nail on the head with its notifications screen. On Apple, they are an unorganized mess. I cannot delete emails from the notification screen. I cannot add YouTube videos to my Watch Later list from the notification. Most of this has to do with Google apps - they just have more options from the notification shade than on iOS.
2. Fingerprint sensor - sure, the Nexus 6 doesn't have one. But the fingerprint sensor on the iPhone 6 Plus is slow. And without Android's fantastic Smart Lock feature, it just takes longer to unlock an iPhone. And this leads me to my next point.
3. Android Wear - I got a Moto 360 Sport for Christmas, and it works so well with my Nexus 6. It barely functions with iOS. Smart Unlock, notifications, actions, all of it works so well on Android's platform, but Apple, being closed-sourced, barely allows me to connect my watch.
4. Open Source - this one is obvious. When I switched to Android from an iPhone back in 2012, it was because the Samsung Galaxy S3 had that big screen (big being relative to 2012). Today, it is about customization. Yes, iOS has a HUGE advantage over Android with updates and longevity of support for devices, but you are locked into only the features Apple will bestow upon you. With Android, you can do it all.
5. The Form Factor - I just love the Nexus 6. Dual front facing speakers. Small bezels. Round back. The dimple. The iPhone 6 Plus is a sleek looking piece of metal, but I just always go back to that N6 design. I think maybe only the Nexus 5 beats it in terms of simplicity, but the features I mentioned above puts the N6 in a special category.
There are lots of other little things about using iOS for two weeks that I came to both appreciate and be bothered about, but I wanted to keep the list to 5 major issues.
And there have been several phones since the Nexus 6 came out that have a design that I have liked, such as the HTC 10 and Moto G5 Plus, but they are missing key features, especially those front facing speakers.
Long live the Nexus 6!
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So, I wanted to try something different, and I was allowed to use an iPhone 6 Plus for a period of time, to see what the competition has to offer. I gave it a good try, and after two weeks of use, I am switching back to my Nexus 6.
Here is why:
1. Notifications - Google has really hit the nail on the head with its notifications screen. On Apple, they are an unorganized mess. I cannot delete emails from the notification screen. I cannot add YouTube videos to my Watch Later list from the notification. Most of this has to do with Google apps - they just have more options from the notification shade than on iOS.
2. Fingerprint sensor - sure, the Nexus 6 doesn't have one. But the fingerprint sensor on the iPhone 6 Plus is slow. And without Android's fantastic Smart Lock feature, it just takes longer to unlock an iPhone. And this leads me to my next point.
3. Android Wear - I got a Moto 360 Sport for Christmas, and it works so well with my Nexus 6. It barely functions with iOS. Smart Unlock, notifications, actions, all of it works so well on Android's platform, but Apple, being closed-sourced, barely allows me to connect my watch.
4. Open Source - this one is obvious. When I switched to Android from an iPhone back in 2012, it was because the Samsung Galaxy S3 had that big screen (big being relative to 2012). Today, it is about customization. Yes, iOS has a HUGE advantage over Android with updates and longevity of support for devices, but you are locked into only the features Apple will bestow upon you. With Android, you can do it all.
5. The Form Factor - I just love the Nexus 6. Dual front facing speakers. Small bezels. Round back. The dimple. The iPhone 6 Plus is a sleek looking piece of metal, but I just always go back to that N6 design. I think maybe only the Nexus 5 beats it in terms of simplicity, but the features I mentioned above puts the N6 in a special category.
There are lots of other little things about using iOS for two weeks that I came to both appreciate and be bothered about, but I wanted to keep the list to 5 major issues.
And there have been several phones since the Nexus 6 came out that have a design that I have liked, such as the HTC 10 and Moto G5 Plus, but they are missing key features, especially those front facing speakers.
Long live the Nexus 6!
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Welcome back
We talked about a N6 successor, but there's no one which could replace shamu.. Axon 7 is the closest but have some lacks, especially about unlocking bootloader..
We'll see Taimen this autumn.
I'll keep my N6 as long as I can though
Here are a few things I enjoyed about the iPhone:
iMessage - seriously, Apple figured out messaging years ago, how is it that Google is still struggling to put together a single messaging app as simple and effective as iMessage?
FaceTime - like iMessage, Apple's integration of a video app into the phone app is so simple and intuitive.
Battery percentage - come on Google, it's time to give us a stand-alone battery percentage. Most custom ROMs have this, add it!
Slow motion video - yes, I know it was added with the N6P, but I'll miss it on my shamu.
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And here are a few things Apple needs to add to iOS:
Restart - it took Google years to add a restart option, iOS still does not have it. Sure, you can do a reset by pressing and holding the power and home buttons, but that is not as intuitive as just holding the power button and bringing up a menu.
Clear apps - again, this is still relatively new to Android, but iOS does not have it. So if you want to close all of your apps, get to sliding.
Better notifications in the lock screen - iOS users have to choices from the lock screen: view and clear. I took for granted how easy Android makes it to delete unwanted emails from a notification. No such option on an iPhone.
More open-source ability - yeah, I know. Wishful thinking.
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Its kinda funny that you mention open source when Google is closing up more and more parts of android every day. You do know that what is pushed to aosp is "not" what Google ships on the devices right?
The deal with Imessage is that all messages are routed through apple severs. Which is not only a privacy issue but security hole (how ever unlikely) Dont expect google to do that or many people willing to deal with it.
Im surprised you didnt go to the 6p with all the issues the n6 will have from here on out with the introduction to 8 and after being about as stable as a buggy port.
Well, I am thinking about going to the 6P. I am going to sell the iPhone and probably will have enough for a decent 6P. At least then I get another year of software updates. I just never fancied the look of the 6P - that cyclops back is an eyesore.
As for the percentage. You can activate it by activating system ui tuner. If u are on 7.0
Other than that. The Smartphone market is a mess.
You know, the saddest thing probably is that there wont ever be a device that can replace our devices.
I have my battery percentage embedded in the battery icon turned on, but it is not as simple as just a plain percentage, no icon. I've been on PureNexus for some time, went back to stock when I switched to the iPhone. I might go back to PN, not just for the battery percentage, but for updates and improvements over stock.
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... a decent 6P. At least then I get another year of software updates.....
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My Nexus 6 will be banned from updates in October this year.
I think at that time a peacefully period will start. No more updates .....just using a decrypted and smooth device.
Slow fingerprint sensor eh?
You cannot "try" iPhone.
Nothing new can be done with that crap which wasn't done before by someone.
There is nothing left to try...
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You cannot "try" iPhone.
Nothing new can be done with that crap which wasn't done before by someone.
There is nothing left to try...
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The same can be said for android.
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The same can be said for android.
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Not at all.
Android will forever be Terra incognita for curious guys.
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Not at all.
Android will forever be Terra incognita for curious guys.
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You act like android is really something new. It's not really. Everything you are doing on Android was being done before Android was a thing. Hell we already had custom launchers, apps, widgets, themes, roms, all of it a decade ago. Before even Apple. So it has all been done before.
The only difference between the two is life styles. You have android for those that want to mess with their device and you have E apple for those that just want it to work when they need it to.
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Slow fingerprint sensor eh?
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Very slow - it is actually the first phone I've put my sim card in that has a fingerprint sensor, but as I know several people with a Nexus 5X, I had higher expectations for this sensor. Having to press it is an inconvenience. Having to hold my finger on the sensor for at least one second (first world problems!) took longer than I expected.
I will say this - though it was slow, I really liked having the fingerprint sensor. So I bought a Nexus 6P.
After two years with the amazing Nexus 6, I finally have moved on. It was an amazing phone, perhaps the best I will ever own. But like all good things, it was time to move on. As such, this is my last post in the N6 forum, I am moving on to the N6P forum. Thanks for an amazing two years, Shamu, I will miss you!
So this is just a trash talk on the iPhone 6s plus? I have both phones. The experiences you detail on the iPhone are pure crap. I repeat. Pure crap. You didn't have that phone long enough to even give it a chance. Hope you don't do that with women. I find that I use the iPhone 6s + all the time because of its ease of use. It's finger print scanner is quick. Google offers every app in the app store. You can also use the native email app Apple supplied which works great. Also the battery life on the iPhone 6s+ out does the Nexus 6 by almost 5 hours. The fact that you took up valuable space to advertise your dislikes for a piece of equipment that you gave no time with is utterly disrespectful and blatantly corruptive. I use the Nexus 6 on AT&T (which I've had since the beginning) and use the iPhone 6s+ on Verizon. The fact that these devices are two entirely different worlds, making comparisons to one another is redundant. People will like Android or Apple. That's their choice. That's their preference. I use both. Each one has it's unique features and I embellish all of them. Hooray that you tried something and wanted to share it but all you did was spark controversy among the threads. Nothing important nor informative. Only your likes and dislikes on the iPhone 6s+. Congratulations. This was my two cents seeing how this forum is a complete waste.
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I'm switching to the iPhone 7 plus this week.... See ya android is been real the past 10 years
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So this is just a trash talk on the iPhone 6s plus? I have both phones. The experiences you detail on the iPhone are pure crap. I repeat. Pure crap. You didn't have that phone long enough to even give it a chance. Hope you don't do that with women. I find that I use the iPhone 6s + all the time because of its ease of use. It's finger print scanner is quick. Google offers every app in the app store. You can also use the native email app Apple supplied which works great. Also the battery life on the iPhone 6s+ out does the Nexus 6 by almost 5 hours. The fact that you took up valuable space to advertise your dislikes for a piece of equipment that you gave no time with is utterly disrespectful and blatantly corruptive. I use the Nexus 6 on AT&T (which I've had since the beginning) and use the iPhone 6s+ on Verizon. The fact that these devices are two entirely different worlds, making comparisons to one another is redundant. People will like Android or Apple. That's their choice. That's their preference. I use both. Each one has it's unique features and I embellish all of them. Hooray that you tried something and wanted to share it but all you did was spark controversy among the threads. Nothing important nor informative. Only your likes and dislikes on the iPhone 6s+. Congratulations. This was my two cents seeing how this forum is a complete waste.
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iPhone user : "Dear Android user, buy an iPhone. It's a pretty well working phone"
Android user : "Dear iPhone user, you can have the same thing for twice as cheap"
We're both talking about high-end phones, which perfectly work in each case. Just some different habits. You right about that.
Even security policy are different, not better or worst...
Each side has its advantages and its inconveniences..
That being said, he just gave his opinion about his experiment. With his eyes.
How about you ? You can give your opinion to compare
Both Android and IOS have its pros and cons. Doesnt make either better or worse. Its just what you prefer.
Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Motorola Razr (2019), all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Motorola Razr (2019) is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Just watched the video, looks amazing. But somehow it didn't seem like the specs were superior. I love the concept, and I think it's an innovative design that should pick up interest due to the compact nature of the device, but I have concerns about the build quality and performance. In the video, after it is flipped open, you can see briefly a bend in the screen, which makes me wonder if it smoothes out when all the way open. Also, the camera seemed sluggish when using the shake gesture, unless it was designed to have (what I thought was) a noticable delay. The processor speed, the battery size/performance, are things I'm hoping will prove to be above average, to amazing. We shall see.
Oh, also not stoked about it being carrier locked. Not to mention the $1499 price tag.... Yikes!
This its true.
The price is unreasonably high.
I know that some months passed, and meanwhile other flipphones made their path aiming at our pockets & wallets, but I am still enloved of this phone...
I know it's a bad thing, it's overpriced, the specification does not justify this purchase, but I am still waiting for a good chance to put in in my rear pocket.
So far I love mine. Coming from a Note 10+ the only issues I've notice screen color isn't as rich as the Note 10+. But it's not bad either.
Performance is fine. Apps take maybe a half second longer to load, if that. No real sluggishness that I've been able to notice.
Another thing is lack of wireless charging is kinda a bummer, but I just bought a quick charge compatible dock I slide it onto at night.
Battery life is actually good. I typically still have about 30-40% left at the end of a full day.
Granted most of my battery usage is playing free cell on the toilet at work.
Edit: One thing I do think Moto dropped the ball on is when I had a Z2 Force I could use gestures with the fingerprint sensor to operate the back, home and task manager. Once you enabled this it also removed them from the screen unless you were using the fingerprint sensor for security.
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Using the one button navigation on the fingerprint scanner isn't allowed for devices which use google mobile services and Android 9. A lot of lost features are because of the requirements that Google puts on device makers and which versions of Android they are ship with. Everyone clamoring for the latest Android doesn't realize that certain options are OS dependent. Image how much less you'd have to physically interact with the screen if you could use the fingerprint navigation. I am sure older prototypes had that enabled but it got disabled as Android versions changed
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Using the one button navigation on the fingerprint scanner isn't allowed for devices which use google mobile services and Android 9.
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My Z2 Force had android 9 on it...
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My Z2 Force had android 9 on it...
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If you want to go through https://source.android.com/compatibility and see the requirements for devices that launch with a certain OS and devices that update to a certain OS you'll see what I mean. The Z2 Force launched with Nougat and was upgraded to Pie. The rules for how a device is expected to behave when launching with an OS level and when upgrading to an OS level are different. Google didn't mandate things about it's gesture navigation back in Nougat so Motorola was able to implement it as they wished. Required apps at one OS release are different at another. This is one reason why I'm not keen on being first to have the latest android level since things you might enjoy (like Moto Voice) are gone in later releases.