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I'm referring to the fact that the battery drains rapidly in the first few minutes, and might drain more rapidly than it should the rest of the day.
heres a post i made on another thread, but created a new topic also because i feel i really want to start a discussion about 2 different things:
1 my perceived odd battery charge cycle.
2 how many of us have this issue?
3 if not all of us have this issue then maybe there's hope i can swap this out for a different phone with out this issue.
here is my original post:
i do have something unique to add to this discussion but first:
well i can say that i did try this "top off" thing and it does seem to work, but as soon as i discharge the battery though use and recharge that night i was right back in the same boat of having a battery that drops very rapidly in the first 10 minutes or so and then continues to drop faster than it should the rest of the day. so imo, this top it off method only works at that moment, ie, not a long term fix.
also, i charged my evo battery in my touch pro2 and the charge didn't drop rapidly in the first few minutes. Also it seemed to last all day much better then it previously. i was able to play around all day with the phone and the battey drain was surprisingly good.
ok, the interesting thing i observed and i can replicate is:
when using the battery graph app i can watch battery level percentages versus time on a chart. in this chart i observed a charge cycle pattern that has me concerned.
while charging the percentage line on the graph was gradually increasing at a semi steady rate from 0% till 90%, then changed its charge rate at 90%
here is how it broke down.
0% 114am
90% 309am steady increase all the way to 90%
100% 315am very rapid charge at this stage (probably not good)
basically it had a steady charge rate of .78% per minute until it hit 90%.
then the remaining 10% rate was: 2.5% per minute.
this last 10% of the charge cycle charges 3.2 times faster rate then the previous 90%. i don't know much about charging but this may be a hint to something that's causing this issue.
also, just how many of us have this issue? all of us, whether we know it or not?
some of use? will there be a fix? is this covered by a warranty or software fix, or so we need to "top it off" every charge?
i'm still within my 30 days and i dont want to swap this out for another if they all have this issue.
I think its the way evo charges the battery.. As I posted about my findinga that when charged in my tp2 I dont see this fast drop anymore. The drop I saw was a 1/8 of the battery icon within 15 min not using.. So more than 10% drainage.. Also its nice the tp2 battery is the same.. So I always have a charged battery so I just switch out batts.. Most of use have this prob unless rooted and tweeked with setcpu..
Edit: only charge batteries from tp2 not from evo anymore..
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I have read that this is the way the Evo is supposed to work. The battery charges to 100%, then it quits charging and runs off of the battery until it reaches approximately 90% charge, Then starts charging again. This is supposed to be better for the battery. So, if you take it off of the charger when it is about ready to start charging again, it can drop 10% in the first 5 minutes.
Franky, it appears to work this way with my phone, but I have not had the rapid battery drain issues that some have. My battery regularly makes it through the day fine with moderate to heavy use.
Another thing I have noticed is that not messing with it helps a lot. After I upgrade my rom it seems to take about three days for the battery to get back to its normal cycle. for the first day it drains faster than normal, but last longer each day thereafter.
i have done the same thing with using the touch pro 2 to charge my evo battery. kinda rediculas dont ya think?
that sure makes for an expensive charger, i would much rather sell my touch pro 2 to offset some of the cost for early termination what not.
i talked to customer support and of course their response was the canned response of "your evo is power hungery thats all...yada yada"
do you think that all evo's have this issue and no one else is noticing?
What I find funny is you buy a heavy use device that is designed for using. Everything you do on this device uses battery. I went from the touch pro 2 to this device and I am happier with the EVO than I was with the tp2. You might be surprise how much battery life you would get if you turn off all the radios except for the phone portion and only us this as a phone.
After the touch, mogul, touch pro, and tp2, I am permanently an HTC customer.
Sorry, just my opinion. I may be wrong.
Sent from my Sprint EVO 4g with the XDA app!
The bad thing is not all of us have an extra touch pro 2 lying around to charge our evo.
When I leave my phone on the charger and not use it at all and it drains 10% in 6 minutes that's rediculous. even though my phone has technically been in standby mode and using the battery for the top 10% their hasn't been one time where I took my phone off the charger and it didnt drop in 5 minutes.
Mine is random. Some days I get great battery life, and others I get 5 hours. I'm going having two spare batteries and a wall charger will fix this.
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Maybe I gave too much info and perhaps I drowned my main point
The charging algorithm changes The speed in which it charges the battery at the last 10% of the charge.
This is probably the problem.
My tilt 2 does not do this. Therefore I get a proper charge and the charge lasts as it should.
Look at my findings above.
Well... I completely stopped charging my phone with the wall charger and I am now just using either my car charger or USB and i've noticed my phone over the last two days has probably doubled in being able to hold a charge. Today I made approximately 2 or 3 30 minute - 1 hour calls, used the internet approximately 20 times for about 5 minutes each time and used SNESnoid for approximately 1 hour straight and my battery was at 40% after a 10 hour work day, not too shabby. Not to mention I also don't get that annoying 10% drop within 10 minutes of unplugging the phone anymore
I've seen a ton of other battery tip's but I've yet to see any actually say stop using a wall charger all together. Here's to hoping this helps someone
Lol thanks for the tip. I highly doubt this is anymore then a placebo but good luck to whoever tries it. Not calling you OP I am just finding it hard to believe.
Furthermore, have you tried reseting your battery stats. I mean the initial 100-90 percent drop you are calling to quick sounds like its the fault of bad battery stats. If you need a link to how to reset your battery PM me only because I might not check back to this post lol.
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Well... I completely stopped charging my phone with the wall charger and I am now just using either my car charger or USB and i've noticed my phone over the last two days has probably doubled in being able to hold a charge. Today I made approximately 2 or 3 30 minute - 1 hour calls, used the internet approximately 20 times for about 5 minutes each time and used SNESnoid for approximately 1 hour straight and my battery was at 40% after a 10 hour work day, not too shabby. Not to mention I also don't get that annoying 10% drop within 10 minutes of unplugging the phone anymore
I've seen a ton of other battery tip's but I've yet to see any actually say stop using a wall charger all together. Here's to hoping this helps someone
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Hmmm... I don't think that USB/Wall would actually make a overall difference in battery life but it could be that it doesn't "idle the charging" when you hit close to a full charge. So you're probably just getting the extra 5-10% that you mentioned.
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Lol thanks for the tip. I highly doubt this is anymore then a placebo but good luck to whoever tries it. Not calling you OP I am just finding it hard to believe.
Furthermore, have you tried reseting your battery stats. I mean the initial 100-90 percent drop you are calling to quick sounds like its the fault of bad battery stats. If you need a link to how to reset your battery PM me only because I might not check back to this post lol.
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Ehh... I don't make BS threads, never have and those that know me from the Hero forums can vouch. Just posting my findings
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Hmmm... I don't think that USB/Wall would actually make a overall difference in battery life but it could be that it doesn't "idle the charging" when you hit close to a full charge. So you're probably just getting the extra 5-10% that you mentioned.
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I know for a fact im getting the initial 10% but I looked at my battery today at 12:40 tonight before leaving work thinking "ahh crap I haven't charged it it's got to be at, at least 5-15% and nope, it was exactly 39%, I was amazed. Talked to a girl for about 40 minutes on my drive home, talked to another friend for 5 and battery dropped to 35%
I've noticed this as well. Days that I've only used my moto car charger, the battery (even the cheap ebay ones) seem to hold the charge better, which I thought was strange, because you would think it would be a worse -maybe equal- change.
Charges more slowly and fills up more?
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Charges more slowly and fills up more?
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That's my theory
This is the case with most batteries, and I thought it was common knowledge with Li-ion. The lower the current you charge with, the better the charge.
Using the higher amperage wall charger lets you hit the voltage peak quicker but, the topping charge will take longer. A lot of car chargers are just as high amperage as wall chargers.
Other things you can do to try maintain the capacity of the battery over the course of its life:
-NEVER let it get hot (whether from heavy usage or keeping it in a hot car or the sun)
-never deep cycle (totally kill the battery)
-try to keep it between 40 - 60% charge for most of its life (Li-ion batteries do not like being at full charge or no charge)
Doing any of these things once will not destroy the battery, but by the 500th charge cycle, you can bet your ass it will.
http://batteryuniversity.com/partone-12.htm
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2 or 3 30 minute - 1 hour calls
internet 20 times
SNESnoid
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work day
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Sounds like my kind of job! Seriously, I use USB (through a laptop) and car chargers almost exclusively and I have no real complaints about battery life. And by that I mean it gets me through the day, which is all I've come to expect from phones for the past few years. But I did happen to use a wall charger last night, and I have JuicePlotter active, so I did some checking.
Comparing my last overnight charge using my laptop's USB to last night's charge through a wall adapter, I found that the charging was actually faster through the laptop. I see that the charge tends to drop off as it approaches 100%, so I took pairs of points from uniform sections of each plot for my comparison:
Laptop USB:
44% to 82% in 41 minutes = 0.927% / min
Wall:
63% to 91% in 37 minutes = 0.757% / min
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Sounds like my kind of job! Seriously, I use USB (through a laptop) and car chargers almost exclusively and I have no real complaints about battery life. And by that I mean it gets me through the day, which is all I've come to expect from phones for the past few years. But I did happen to use a wall charger last night, and I have JuicePlotter active, so I did some checking.
Comparing my last overnight charge using my laptop's USB to last night's charge through a wall adapter, I found that the charging was actually faster through the laptop. I see that the charge tends to drop off as it approaches 100%, so I took pairs of points from uniform sections of each plot for my comparison:
Laptop USB:
44% to 82% in 41 minutes = 0.927% / min
Wall:
63% to 91% in 37 minutes = 0.757% / min
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Hah, yeah my job is pretty amazing sometimes but I have def quit using the wall charger (unless I absolutely have nothing else around)
As far as for droiddev... this is my first phone where charging it from different devices gives me different results. I don't see where it would be common sense, Li-ion batteries are not supposed to not have these memory leak/hold issues like past batteries. A charge is a charge to li-ion batteries, but not in this case.
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As far as for droiddev... this is my first phone where charging it from different devices gives me different results. I don't see where it would be common sense, Li-ion batteries are not supposed to not have these memory leak/hold issues like past batteries. A charge is a charge to li-ion batteries, but not in this case.
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Not sure what you mean, but you will get the most life out of your battery by charging it short spurts at a time over USB. Read the article I linked to and you will see what I mean, but you can get the best charge into your battery by slowly ramping up in steps with a low current charger.
Yesterday I have my curiousity and uncheck the fast charging option on settings. I turn off my note 4 and start my charging. I started to charge at 18% and after an hour it go up to 23% which is annoying. I decided to turn on my device and tick the check box of fast charging option. I left my device for 2 hours but to my surprise it was only at 54%! (device off). I turn on again my device to check if the fast charging is activated and found out that it was checked. I left it again for 2 hours and still 72%. Anyone experienced this? Any advice? It will be so much appreciated. TIA.
Something was probably running in background. Restart your phone and try again.
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Have you tried with other usb cable ?
Maybe your cable is the problem.
If after change cable still didn't work, bring your device and the adapter that come with to to service center to check where the problem is
Did you use original charger and original cable?
I don't think fast charge works with the phone off...
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Yesterday I have my curiousity and uncheck the fast charging option on settings. I turn off my note 4 and start my charging. I started to charge at 18% and after an hour it go up to 23% which is annoying. I decided to turn on my device and tick the check box of fast charging option. I left my device for 2 hours but to my surprise it was only at 54%! (device off). I turn on again my device to check if the fast charging is activated and found out that it was checked. I left it again for 2 hours and still 72%. Anyone experienced this? Any advice? It will be so much appreciated. TIA.
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Make sure you are using the original charger and cable from Samsung. Otherwise it could be the chargers problem as it doesn't provide enough voltage.
I had this same issue.i have changed cable ,even charger. You can only replace battery.Today 100% in 1h 28min before 100% in about 3.5h
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I don't think fast charge works with the phone off...
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This would make sense, right?
I usually get to 50% in 30 minutes and 100% in 90 minutes with the phone on.
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i never face this issue at all
I get 100 charge at 2 hours is it normal?
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Hey hi I am from India and I had same issues. ..I went to service centre and found out that it was adapter issue. .since I am in warranty they replaced it and it works like charm. .no issues
fast charging wont active if your device is off. it's a application so you need to turn ON ur phone to active the fast charging. tried it already. it takes 8hrs to full charge [ off device ]
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I get 100 charge at 2 hours is it normal?
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That is not normal if you are using the original Samsung charger and cable? Did you turn fast charging on with Power Saving Mode? But sometimes the plugging source might not be able to provide enough voltage. I got 50% for 30 minutes and 100% for 60 minutes.
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I got 50% for 30 minutes and 100% for 60 minutes.
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No, you did not. See post #17 below.
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it takes 8hrs to full charge [ off device ]
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No, it does not. In "normal mode", our power supply provides about 2 A of charging current. Taken losses by generated heat and less current needed for charging the last few percents into account, it takes about 2 hours or a little more for a full charge while the Note 4 is switched off. NOT 8 hours.
8 hours is a realistic value if you use a low power current source, like a standard USB port providing 500 mA of current.
500 x 8 = 4000 mAh; and that's quite exactly the amount you need to push into the battery to achieve a 100 % charge.
So your 8 hours refer to charging with a low power device like a standard USB port, but not to charging using the original power supply AND (!) the original cable. Yes, the cable DOES make a difference.
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Iyrah said:
I get 100 charge at 2 hours is it normal?
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Yes, it is.
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No, you did not.
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Yes, it is.
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Im pretty sure I did
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Im pretty sure I did
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You cannot.
It's physically impossible.
I got 50% for 30 minutes and 100% for 60 minutes.
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Not all energy goes into charging the battery; there's a good deal wasted for generating heat; that's why your Note gets a little warm while charging.
Fast charging provides a charging current UP TO about 3000 mA, that's the safety limit. Our battery has about 3220 mAh capacity.
The charger provides that current till the battery is "almost full", that's at about 92 %. ("About", because it's not the same every time, depends on several factors.)
After that, the current is lowered, so charging from e. g. 92 % to 100 % takes considerably more time.
So even if you get about 50 % in 30 minutes, a full charge to 100 % takes far more time than 60 minutes - because the "last mile" takes far more time than charging up to e. g. 92 %.
A continuous fast charge of 3000 mA up to 100 % will kill your battery.
As said, there's heat generated while charging. That heat does not fill the battery, so we need to deduct the energy wasted that way.
That's why it takes about 90 minutes for a full charge. Could take more time according to the battery drain of apps and processes running while charging. So fast charging times of 90 to 120 minutes or so are just plain normal.
And that's why it's simply impossible to charge the battery up to 100 % in 60 minutes.
I know it's tempting just to multiply the time taken for a 50 % charge by 2 - but that's not what's happening in reality.
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That is not normal if you are using the original Samsung charger and cable? Did you turn fast charging on with Power Saving Mode? But sometimes the plugging source might not be able to provide enough voltage. I got 50% for 30 minutes and 100% for 60 minutes.
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yup thats about right. [email protected]=12236mWh
30 min at 9V/1.8A= 8100mWh
30 min at 5V/2A=5000mWh
12236-(8100+5000)=full charge + 864mW of heat.
dont listen to chefprol - he knows nothing about electronics or batteries.
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yup thats about right. [email protected]=12236mWh
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Ah, my highly clever friend.
Obviously, you didn't learn from two painful and embarrassing confrontations. So get ready for the third.
30 min at 9V/1.8A= 8100mWh
30 min at 5V/2A=5000mWh
12236-(8100+5000)=full charge + 864mW of heat.
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In Germany, we have a special term for things like that; it's called a "Milchmädchenrechnung". Translation would read like "a naive calculation made by ignoring vital facts".
There's a lot of vital facts you ignored. Shall I start with you claiming that 14 hours is the best charging time ever? Or with you claiming that Lithium Ion batteries use "trickle charge" ?
See http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/help/note-4-question-charge-t2989546 for the full coverage; enjoy.
Now let's concentrate on the Milchmädchenrechnung above.
First have a look at this - I guess we can take Anandtech for quite serious: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8613/the-samsung-galaxy-note-4-review/3
Further down the page, under "Charge time", you'll find this statement about the Note 4: "... and most of the benefit would come from the first 50% or so of charging as power drops rapidly as the battery approaches full charge."
The red part is the part you didn't understand, leading to your Milchmädchenrechnung.
You took for granted that the power (amperage) doesn't drop at the end of the charging process; I guess you simply didn't know.
And that's the important factor making a full charge in just 60 minutes completely impossible.
Did you really believe Samsung would miss the chance of presenting a sensation like that in all media you can think of ? - That would have been the fastest charging mobile phone ever known. CNN would have broadcasted a special feature about that.
They did not, Samsung did not.
Reason: It's just nonsense.
dont listen to chefprol - he knows nothing about electronics or batteries.
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I guess I don't need to comment on that.
14 hours was the time i recommended a NEW phone be charged for the FIRST charge. i normally charge mine for about 7 hours with a single coil Qi charger. Because it takes around 7 hours (5 for a 3 coil depending on power input) for a Qi charger to go 0-100.
lithium ion batteries do use trickle charge. they top up the battery if the phone is above 90% at a slow charge rate. hence "trickle".
No i did take into account that power drops at the end of the charging process. thats what the extra 864mW is there for. Thats waste heat+headroom. maybe you can show YOUR calculations which are not so naive. oh wait, you cant. because a simple wall clock will tell you that the note 4 will quick charge in an hour in regular use.
The Motorola's turbo charge claims that it can charge a fair amount within 15 minutes from 0%. Faster than the S6 apparently, is this true? If so to what % from 0% within 15 minutes?
That was the Style they demonstrated not the Play, I dont think the play will charge faster than the S6 only because of the bigger battery.
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Moto X Play does have turbo charging. That's what it says when i plug it in. Expect 1% a minute.
convolution said:
Moto X Play does have turbo charging. That's what it says when i plug it in. Expect 1% a minute.
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I'm not saying it doesn't. I'm just saying dont expect it to charge faster than the S6 because of the battery being bigger on the Play.
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I'm not saying it doesn't. I'm just saying dont expect it to charge faster than the S6 because of the battery being bigger on the Play.
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Probably will last longer than the S6 though.
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Probably will last longer than the S6 though.
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Ideally. Though I'm finding this phone has a lot of wakelocks going on and there isn't a whole lot we can do about it until we get root.
Once we can root and install Xposed, I think we'll have some pretty amazing battery life on this thing with the right tweaks. I can't wait.
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Ideally. Though I'm finding this phone has a lot of wakelocks going on and there isn't a whole lot we can do about it until we get root.
Once we can root and install Xposed, I think we'll have some pretty amazing battery life on this thing with the right tweaks. I can't wait.
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Can you name the ones you've seen so far?
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Can you name the ones you've seen so far?
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I don't use any battery apps because I'm not rooted. I just go by the built-in battery graph. On other phones (where I've rooted and controlled wakelocks), the graph is very horizontal when the phone is in standby. On the Moto X Play, my standby tends to have a steady decline on the graph of roughly 15 degrees.
I don't have any example screenshots of the Moto X Play yet (just unplugged it from the charger), but here's an example of the standby I was getting on my Galaxy S6:
Trying using a normal charger and see how slow it charges.
I don't how Moto says 48hr battery.
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Google services doesn't usually even show up on mine. How much are you using Audible?
Here's my current stats. Haven't seen much of a difference when charging with the Turbo Charger or a normal one.
One app that does use a lot of battery though is Spotify
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Google services doesn't usually even show up on mine. How much are you using Audible?
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All day, at least 8hrs while at work.
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Here's my current stats. Haven't seen much of a difference when charging with the Turbo Charger or a normal one.
One app that does use a lot of battery though is Spotify
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Yours is saying 2 days left. I never get that.
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My motorola XT1563 battery averages 12h 36m 0s (10h 35m 0s active usage) on a single charge. Check out GSam Battery Monitor: - http://bit.ly/uHT7Vy #badassbattery
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I'm waiting for mine to arrive on Monday but just noticed my current phone. Google services kept my phone awake for 2 hours today...
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Charging, Battery, Turbo
Devhux said:
Here's my current stats. Haven't seen much of a difference when charging with the Turbo Charger or a normal one.
One app that does use a lot of battery though is Spotify
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All day, at least 8hrs while at work.
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Yours is saying 2 days left. I never get that.
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My motorola XT1563 battery averages 12h 36m 0s (10h 35m 0s active usage) on a single charge. Check out GSam Battery Monitor: - http://bit.ly/uHT7Vy #badassbattery
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Hi Guys,
I just bought a new Droid Turbo and My Friend bought a new Moto X Play. I am coming from using various Motorola RAZRs and in general about 2 years of rooting flashing etc. I think this thread went stale, and you guys probably have gained much more knowledge but still thought might share few of my learnings. Please ignore if the things i mention have been covered in other threads coz am new to this device so haven't read any other threads. Hope these things help.
Turbo Charging-
Turbo charging is indeed quite fast. My Droid Turbo 3900Mah battery charges 0 to 100% in 120 minutes. This is quite fast considering my RAZR 1750Mah batter charged o to 100% in that time on a normal charger. I haven't had the guts to try but i am assuming the charging on non turbo chargers will be slower. Having said that let me go into more details. Standard charging is 5V 1A so 5x1=5W. So that is like really slow. USB 2.0/3.0 charging is 5V 0.5A(I think it will take days to charge our phones with laptops) But there are some chargers which have higher ratings. I have used travel chargers from samsung, sony and motorola which all have ratings 5V 1.5A or 5V 2.0A. So they are 50% or double speed chargers. These used to be harmful to the battery back when batteries were small like on my RAZR. An Ipad charger adapter is 12W, 5V 2.1A. Have been using this for RAZR since 2 years now. I think it broke my battery but it was a good 2 years . The New Motorola Charger is also 12W. But its not just the high current or rating. It also has technology to accelerate charging in the phone itself. So I assume a non turbo 12W charger would not be too slow, but still slower than turbo. I am guessing it should take about 2 hours for 0 to 100% Do keep in mind though, like iphone and samsung, the turbo charging stops after 70-80% I don't remember exactly when but its never turbo directly up to 100. only a jump start push as batteries are exponential in charging and discharging.
Battery Life-
I know the phone says 1 day left and 2 days left but you never know when you suddenly have to do stuff and all battery is drained out. I am coming from a 4.3 inch screen so i am assuming these large devices will eat more battery as well. I was always using custom roms and blocked wakelocks, used greenify etc so stock system is like new to me (and pretty frustrating too ) When you are actually using the phone, of course the battery will drain faster. The screen uses a lot. Data usage should use less battery with wifi on. But i mostly dont use wifi and am continuously on 3G. So even in 3G, battery drains faster only if background apps are using lot of data. But usually the standby is much better if there is not much use. I used to go 10 hours on 3G on my 1750 Mah RAZR (Ofcourse with all the root stuff) But until there is no root, 2-3% per hour drain is to be expected when phone screen is off and like its on standby, you arent using it actively. For example you are working and the phone is away, or you slept off at night. The drain should be under 3 or 4. If its higher, there is some app that is draining the battery. And without root we obviously cannot trace down which app is keeping the device up, but if you click on the battery graph and go to details screen - you will see stats below like how long the device was awake, when was screen off etc. Something is keeping your device up if the the device wakes up a lot even when the screen is off and you werent using it. Greenify without root also is quite good at stopping non system apps from hogging battery/data. But of course to go more than that, you need root.
Rooting
I am not sure about moto x play, but i read up on some droid turbo threads and they sound promising. I am coming from a always bootlocked RAZR and it seems like a relief that these devices have an unlocked bootloader. I am still confused about rooting and using custom as the phone is new and i really like the feel of it. But i am sure i will eventually root and put something custom on it. Of course rooting might void your warranty so take care!! Always read up on stuff, and read up a lot. Never trust just one thread with instructions and always (and i mean always) first learn how to fix broken/bricked/wronglyflashed phones before you start rooting and flashing stuff. And for phones like ours without removable battery, never do rooting flashing etc if the battery is below 50. Trust me, i have gone down that road too many times with my RAZRs where i always ended up tearing up the phone and exchanging batteries to revive the phone again.
Android in General
I am sure this thread/device/forum has amazing devs. I already found some amazing devs for turbo too, so i expect the same love i got for RAZR from XDA community. But in case you guys ever have any questions you can always shoot me a message. I am not an expert or anything even remotely close to that, but i will try my level best to research stuff for you so that you benefit from it. I am sure you can also gain the same knowledge i had by reading up all pages of all threads for the device, but in case you cannot find anything or do not understand just shoot me a PM. I am a loyal Motorola user and damn proud of it and always ready to help fellow moto followers Enjoy!
My phone is not Turbo Charging anymore. Same powerbar same Turbocharger as before, same USB power cable from charger to the phone. I did a hard reset on the phone, and the phone has the October Patch applied. Any ideas? Before it was saying Turbo Charger connected, now it just says charging. Anything I can try? And is really fricking slow when charging.
marstg said:
My phone is not Turbo Charging anymore. Same powerbar same Turbocharger as before, same USB power cable from charger to the phone. I did a hard reset on the phone, and the phone has the October Patch applied. Any ideas? Before it was saying Turbo Charger connected, now it just says charging. Anything I can try? And is really fricking slow when charging.
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Use Ampere app to check the amp that your phone is getting. Try using different USB cable.
I have seen max 1090 miliAmps and min 870. Seems to be back to normal-ish just not saying Turbocharger connected.
marstg said:
My phone is not Turbo Charging anymore. Same powerbar same Turbocharger as before, same USB power cable from charger to the phone. I did a hard reset on the phone, and the phone has the October Patch applied. Any ideas? Before it was saying Turbo Charger connected, now it just says charging. Anything I can try? And is really fricking slow when charging.
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If you are using custom rom it wont show *turbo charging*. Still it will turbo charge
On stock rom, not even bootloader unlocked.
I changed the place of the charger on the power bar with the Ampere app open and in the old socket was showing max 500 mAmps while in the new socket the charging current jumped to 2300 miliAmps! Wtf? Now it says rate of charging : Turbo! The socket on the same power bar gets tired of supplying current? Wtf?
Hello, so I just got a new Moto X style about a month ago, I need your advice from something, should I charge my phone at 30-40%? if yes then will it have long term damage/worn out my phone?
Thank you
The golden rules are
Don't ever go below 10%
The battery is happiest (most chemically stable) around 40%
Try to spend as little time above 90% as practically possible, especially when charging/using the device. This means never leaving the device plugged overnight
Avoid heat i.e., Do not overtax the phone in an environment like a small, hot room; Avoid simultaneous charging/GPS in the car with the phone in direct sunlight
To combine the last two items, especially avoid high temperatures at higher battery levels. This will degrade the battery very quickly
I've also read stuff about the discharge depth. Something to the tune of discharging the battery from 80% to 60% before charging is better than discharging from 80% to 40% before charging. I've never paid that much attention, because nobody wants to charge their phone 3 times a day, but apparently topping up is better than charging from near empty.
I've had my Pure for a little more than 6 months now. I have been consistently plugging in when my battery hits 30%. My battery life is as good as it has always been.
QuantumFluxx said:
The golden rules are
Don't ever go below 10%
The battery is happiest (most chemically stable) around 40%
Try to spend as little time above 90% as practically possible, especially when charging/using the device. This means never leaving the device plugged overnight
Avoid heat i.e., Do not overtax the phone in an environment like a small, hot room; Avoid simultaneous charging/GPS in the car with the phone in direct sunlight
To combine the last two items, especially avoid high temperatures at higher battery levels. This will degrade the battery very quickly
I've also read stuff about the discharge depth. Something to the tune of discharging the battery from 80% to 60% before charging is better than discharging from 80% to 40% before charging. I've never paid that much attention, because nobody wants to charge their phone 3 times a day, but apparently topping up is better than charging from near empty.
I've had my Pure for a little more than 6 months now. I have been consistently plugging in when my battery hits 30%. My battery life is as good as it has always been.
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IMO charging overnight dont do anything to the battery, phone stops charging at 100% and start to use energy from the charger, but im with you with the 10%.
I think all these "rules" are all just bunk and superstition... If you make it through the day, plug it in overnight, and start again in the morning, if not when the battery is low, charge it when it is convenient, don't be scared of "overcharging" as that isn't really possible anymore with electronics in batteries and devices. The device is meant to be used, not babied.
These lion lipm battery do not actually ever charge to their full capacity. This is by design so 100 % is really around 80 in reality and 0 is around 8 to 10%. Again this is by design the chipset monitors the battery temperature and charge load as well as discharge load and compensates for heat and load. All this crap about charging at different rates and in different situations is bunk written by people that don't realize battery design is constantly changing. And since quick charge 1 things have changed a ton.
RK2116 said:
IMO charging overnight dont do anything to the battery, phone stops charging at 100% and start to use energy from the charger, but im with you with the 10%.
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Sooo does this mean I can charge my phone over night using the Turbo charger 25W that comes with the phone?
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I think all these "rules" are all just bunk and superstition... If you make it through the day, plug it in overnight, and start again in the morning, if not when the battery is low, charge it when it is convenient, don't be scared of "overcharging" as that isn't really possible anymore with electronics in batteries and devices. The device is meant to be used, not babied.
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So does this mean i can charge it over night with the turbo charger?
HerySean said:
So does this mean i can charge it over night with the turbo charger?
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Yes
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Yes
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HerySean said:
Sooo does this mean I can charge my phone over night using the Turbo charger 25W that comes with the phone?
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Yes.
I won't argue with anyone here, but I would advise all of you to research lithium ion battery technology. The OP asked how to prevent long term damage to his battery. My friend and I bought our Pure's at the same time. I charge the way that I indicated, he leaves his phone plugged in all night, every night. We're both on Verizon, and I've noticed that his battery drains much more quickly than mine does.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Take care, all.
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I won't argue with anyone here, but I would advise all of you to research lithium ion battery technology. The OP asked how to prevent long term damage to his battery. My friend and I bought our Pure's at the same time. I charge the way that I indicated, he leaves his phone plugged in all night, every night. We're both on Verizon, and I've noticed that his battery drains much more quickly than mine does.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Take care, all.
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Have you verified that he is running exactly the same apps as you with exactly the same service throughout the day. If not then your supposing that charging is the issue is simply a guess. The only way to determine exactly would be a to set them up exactly the same and run them exactly the same in exactly the same conditions for a week or more and log the battery life..
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Have you verified that he is running exactly the same apps as you with exactly the same service throughout the day. If not then your supposing that charging is the issue is simply a guess. The only way to determine exactly would be a to set them up exactly the same and run them exactly the same in exactly the same conditions for a week or more and log the battery life..
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I run more than he does. He is older, and does not use social media. I use FB/Messenger, Snapchat, Twitter, and Instagram with push notifications enabled. Our standby battery drains are very different from 100%. His device hits 90 while mine is reading 94. The devices are physically next to one another. I only know this because he's at my house every weekend. He always plugs my phone in when he plugs in his even though I've told him not to a hundred times. There are probably other factors involved, but I always attributed the difference to him constantly leaving his phone plugged in for hours on end.
Have you looked at his screen timeout? Screen brightness. Or checked to see if he has a misbehaving app? Does he have wifi at his house ? Or is his doing all it's updates at your place? See there are tons of variables that have nothing to do with charging that are simply more likely to be causing the issue you are noticing
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Have you looked at his screen timeout? Screen brightness. Or checked to see if he has a misbehaving app? Does he have wifi at his house ? Or is his doing all it's updates at your place? See there are tons of variables that have nothing to do with charging that are simply more likely to be causing the issue you are noticing
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I mean, I wouldn't describe what I'm observing as an 'issue'. I understand where you're coming from though. I have gone to war against errant battery drains in the past. Lollipop/Marshmallow's mobile radio drain is something I surely won't miss. He does have Wifi at his house for app updates and such.
Just for the clarity's sake, we're talking about:
2 identical devices, running the same version of Android and the same ROM, which are connected to the same mobile and wifi networks, in the same physical location - so service quality is not a variable, unless there is a hardware issue. Both devices are [simultaneously] charged to 100%, and then they are unplugged and their screens remain off. Upon checking both devices a little while later, mine is at 94% while his is at 90%. My device is encrypted, rooted, has custom kernel settings relating to the governor, read ahead, and entropy, and runs various GCM social/messaging apps, and has an extensive Tasker setup. His device is untouched. Both devices have been fully drained and recharged at least once in the past 60 days.
I have looked at his battery usage, which I log with 3C Toolbox. There is no excessive drain from any apps, the cell radio, the kernel, etc...
Regardless of what is causing it, the observable evidence is curious.
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I won't argue with anyone here, but I would advise all of you to research lithium ion battery technology. The OP asked how to prevent long term damage to his battery. My friend and I bought our Pure's at the same time. I charge the way that I indicated, he leaves his phone plugged in all night, every night. We're both on Verizon, and I've noticed that his battery drains much more quickly than mine does.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Take care, all.
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Not saying you are wrong, but the scenario you give is at best circumstantial with the given info. It does not account for other factors such as apps installed, network connectivity, how the phone is being used, etc.
Screen brightness can drastically change how long until you have to recharge. Mine is usually only 1/4 of the way up.