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Better screen in newer Vibrants?

So I have had my vibrant since the beginning. I just got my wife one and the weird thing is her screen is so much better than mine. Her screen does not have the greyish look in white colors. Its very bright and white. I have compared with brightness levels the same and on different roms with the same effect. The new vibrants screen looks so much better.
Sent from a Galaxy S far....far....away.

its the same...
happened to me yesterday when i got a new one as well..
A guy told me..
that it was because the stock kernel isn't trying to save battery, while the custom kernels you flash are saving battery so they lower their contrast, brightness etc.
Where as Stock kernels go full-out with everything at maximum
Hope i answered your question.

NO, newer Vibrant's don't have better screens. This is an old issue.
jbatysmallville said:
So I have had my vibrant since the beginning. I just got my wife one and the weird thing is her screen is so much better than mine. Her screen does not have the greyish look in white colors. Its very bright and white. I have compared with brightness levels the same and on different roms with the same effect. The new vibrants screen looks so much better.
Has anyone else noticed this? Do the newer vibrants have a better screen?
Sent from a Galaxy S far....far....away.
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Ok this is an old issue. Newer Vibrants do not have better screens.
No two Vibrant screens are alike.
From it's release date, every single Vibrant was like a box of chocolates, you never knew what tint your display would be.
Some vibrants come with blue tint, others with grey, some yellow, some red, some brown.
It is a quality control issue and has nothing to do with the manufacture date.
Some links for you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=733344
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732247
http://androidforums.com/captivate-...r-amoled-blue-tint-screen-no-true-whites.html
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/3464-blue-tint/
http://forum.androidcentral.com/sprint-epic-4g/35568-blue-tint-screen.html
http://android.bigresource.com/Samsung-Captivate-Super-Amoled-Blue-Tint-on-Screen-9YDGZWDH5.html
There are many more links about tint issues with super amoled. Like I said, no two screens are alike, and trying to get a replacement might get you one with an even uglier tint.

SamsungVibrant said:
Ok this is an old issue. Newer Vibrants DO NOT have better screens.
NO TWO Vibrant screens are alike.
From it's release date, every single Vibrant was like a box of chocolates, you never knew what tint your display would be.
Some vibrants come with blue tint, others with grey, some yellow, some red, some brown.
It is a quality control issue and has nothing to do with the manufacture date.
Some links for you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=733344
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732247
http://androidforums.com/captivate-...r-amoled-blue-tint-screen-no-true-whites.html
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/3464-blue-tint/
http://forum.androidcentral.com/sprint-epic-4g/35568-blue-tint-screen.html
http://android.bigresource.com/Samsung-Captivate-Super-Amoled-Blue-Tint-on-Screen-9YDGZWDH5.html
There are many more links about tint issues with super amoled. Like I said, no two screens are alike, and trying to get a replacement might get you one with an even uglier tint.
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Really? Never knew about this..
I notice no tint on my screen, even if its compared to my brothers...
Hmm.. Yes his screen does seem a bit different but not much its not the color but the brightness hes always at max... so it looks brighter... hmmm
interesting.

If it looks brighter at the same brightness settings, its probably because you have the power saving box checked in display while she doesn't. I thought the same thing when I compared to my friend's new vibrant, but after I unchecked the box it looked the same.
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SamsungVibrant said:
Ok this is an old issue. Newer Vibrants DO NOT have better screens.
NO TWO Vibrant screens are alike.
From it's release date, every single Vibrant was like a box of chocolates, you never knew what tint your display would be.
Some vibrants come with blue tint, others with grey, some yellow, some red, some brown.
It is a quality control issue and has nothing to do with the manufacture date.
Some links for you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=733344
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732247
http://androidforums.com/captivate-...r-amoled-blue-tint-screen-no-true-whites.html
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/3464-blue-tint/
http://forum.androidcentral.com/sprint-epic-4g/35568-blue-tint-screen.html
http://android.bigresource.com/Samsung-Captivate-Super-Amoled-Blue-Tint-on-Screen-9YDGZWDH5.html
There are many more links about tint issues with super amoled. Like I said, no two screens are alike, and trying to get a replacement might get you one with an even uglier tint.
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First of all dont treat me like I am a noob. I have been on the forums years longer than almost everyone here. Second all of the settings are exactly the same. Same roms and so on. 3rd I never talked about getting a replacement, I am just fine with the one I have so dont EVEN bring this up. I will be buying a 3rd vibrant next week for my daughter and I will see how that one compares. If it is a new model and is just as bright as my wifes then I will think that something has changed. Amoled or not there is no reason why there will be so many differences as you have stated. Here is a thought for you: Is everyones eyes the same.....NOPE. Every person sees colors completely different, no two are the same. I am not going by what other people think I am basing my opinion with my eyes and soon to be 3 different vibrant phones.

Noob... nice op.

lawsonmh15 said:
Noob... nice op.
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Thanks.....

xriderx66 said:
its the same...
happened to me yesterday when i got a new one as well..
A guy told me..
that it was because the stock kernel isn't trying to save battery, while the custom kernels you flash are saving battery so they lower their contrast, brightness etc.
Where as Stock kernels go full-out with everything at maximum
Hope i answered your question.
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Thats was I was leaning towards but then I installed the same Rom on it as mine with the exact same settings and it still looks so much better. I almost gave my wife my phone. Lol.

jbatysmallville said:
First of all dont treat me like I am a noob. I have been on the forums years longer than almost everyone here. Second all of the settings are exactly the same. Same roms and so on. 3rd I never talked about getting a replacement, I am just fine with the one I have so dont EVEN bring this up. I will be buying a 3rd vibrant next week for my daughter and I will see how that one compares. If it is a new model and is just as bright as my wifes then I will think that something has changed. Amoled or not there is no reason why there will be so many differences as you have stated. Here is a thought for you: Is everyones eyes the same.....NOPE. Every person sees colors completely different, no two are the same. I am not going by what other people think I am basing my opinion with my eyes and soon to be 3 different vibrant phones.
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I saw nothing in his post that should have made you feel attacked. He answered your question. Isn't that why you started this thread?

thegreatcity said:
I saw nothing in his post that should have made you feel attacked. He answered your question. Isn't that why you started this thread?
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I did not feel attacked but the attitude with the remarks in caps was uncalled for. And yes this is why I started the thread. Tell me what you think and I will be appreciative........ just don't throw it in my face.

Mods....... Please close this thread. I should have kept my opinion to myself. Thanks

jbatysmallville said:
I did not feel attacked but the attitude with the remarks in caps was uncalled for. And yes this is why I started the thread. Tell me what you think and I will be appreciative........ just don't throw it in my face.
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I'm sorry you felt I was giving you attitude with the caps, that wasn't my intent.
I apologize if it came off that way, I was just trying to answer your question and offer some feedback.
I'll change the caps to lower case because I wasn't trying to scream, was just trying to set your mind at ease that your phone is fine.

SamsungVibrant said:
I'm sorry you felt I was giving you attitude with the caps, that wasn't my intent.
I apologize if it came off that way, I was just trying to answer your question and offer some feedback.
I'll change the caps to lower case because I wasn't trying to scream, was just trying to set your mind at ease that your phone is fine.
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Thank you. I appreciate your apology.

jbatysmallville said:
Thank you. I appreciate your apology.
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Couple of things...... One, alot of the people on this forum really do not understand writing etiquette...... I agree actually with you, it very hard to interpret some of the writing as neutral when (intentionally or not) they are couched in sarcasm and innuendo. Now that I got that off my chest........
The Amoled screens, when they were making them in May-Sept, there was a huge shortage because of lack of manufacturing capacity. As a result, alot of the q/c was suspect. Mostly because they did not go the full 100%. Added to that there are limitations in the process (since effectively they are grown (the amoled)and so it is a slower process. Samsung oversold their phones and in June had to start building a 2.1 Billion manufacturing Amoled facility.
Anyway, all this background to say YES the new amoled are of a better quality, I have noticed it as well I got a vibrant for my wife in December and it is a nicer screen view for sure.
Hope that helps

Negative wait til the screen settles in a bit my friend got A 4g and my phone and his ended up looking the same
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Light blobs on black screen

Anyone else notice lighter blobs on their screen when a black app is loaded?
Try the night clock and tell me if you see any.
I use my phone as a clock at night and I just got this today and wow is it noticeable.
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groaner said:
Anyone else notice lighter blobs on their screen when a black app is loaded?
Try the night clock and tell me if you see any.
I use my phone as a click at night and I just got this today and wow is it noticeable.
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I also had that issue on my first unit, I had it replaced.
A quite bellow summarizes all the screen issues on the S2.
BarryH_GEG said:
There's really two separate issues that sometimes overlap:
1) The left side banding which appears along with a yellow tint either under certain conditions or, to some, in everyday use. This would seem to be a design issue as, to date, it shows up on every single phone produced.
2) Screen QC issues which include: 1) suction cup circles from production, 2) fingerprints on the inside of the display, 3) dead pixels, 4) vertical or horizontal lines, 5) ghosting, 6) white or black blotches, and 7) wide swings in color temperature.
There's no doubt the QC issues are probably vexing to Samsung. Based on the sheer quantity of displays they need to produce to satisfy demand they're either intentionally allowing displays to go out that shouldn't or are finding out from customers that bad displays got passed QC. Considering the large number of phones sold it's hard to guess the bad:good ratio but it would appear its larger than appropriate. And it doesn't appear to be getting better as newer builds seem to have the same issues as early builds. So banding may be forever but swapping phones may definitely help with the other issues.
I do think that adding the QC issues on top of the banding issue does compound it on some phones. That could certainly explain why some of us are happy and others aren't. There's still a lot of subjectivity at play so it will always be hard to say if what's acceptable to some is unacceptable to others. But with all the phones sold, you'd still think if more than a few percent had serious screen issues there would be a bigger audience for this thread and the issue(s) would have become more prominent on its own. I'd like to think things will get better but production demands may continue to allow QC issues to occur at higher than normal rates. Something that's frustrating for everyone - including Samsung.
Someone said something about the technology being flawed. Here's two links to stories where Apple was/is trying to get SAMOLED for their products. To me, it just helps reinforce that the benefits (color, contrast, viewing angles) still outweigh the downsides (screen life, burn in, inconsistency). And I'm sure Apple's engineers fully reviewed both the upside and downside before considering SAMOLED so it's still kind of a vote of confidence in the technology.
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/05/2...y-for-iphone-hd-4g-due-to-supply-constraints/
http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/05/26/we.rebuff.rumor.of.amoled.ipad.3.in.2011/
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Thanks!
I'll have to get back there to have it replaced.
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I've had it replaced 3 times now, I'm on my 4th unit. I can exchange one more time before I have to send it out for repairs.
I'll wait for them to get a new shipment in with different serial numbers (all the ones i've had start with the same 4 digits) and hope i get clean ones.
I called Samsung and the rep i spoke to told me that they have not heard of this issue.
Well they have 3 units in their back room with this issue so they will see it.
I think I will have to take a long-exposure photo to show them what the issue is.
Fingers crossed the next shipment is clear.

groaner said:
I've had it replaced 3 times now, I'm on my 4th unit. I can exchange one more time before I have to send it out for repairs.
I'll wait for them to get a new shipment in with different serial numbers (all the ones i've had start with the same 4 digits) and hope i get clean ones.
I called Samsung and the rep i spoke to told me that they have not heard of this issue.
Well they have 3 units in their back room with this issue so they will see it.
I think I will have to take a long-exposure photo to show them what the issue is.
Fingers crossed the next shipment is clear.
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I've seen this isseu quite often when I had my phone exchanged mainly for a different screen defect, just be warned though since you had so many exchanges some people here might not actually believe that you went through 4 phones because 6Million phones sold and all that jazz.
Good idea that you decided to wait for another shipping, maybe you can even get a refund and just buy from another store that has good stocks?

I don't care what other believe or not. If they want to see my receipt plus the 2 exchange receipts I have here in this bag beside me I'll send them a picture.
Regardless, I must be one of the few people who have this screen problem AND use the phone as a night clock.
I am posting this for information to anyone who also has experienced or may wonder if their phone also has this issue.
If you dont have it, GREAT! I wish I had your phone.
(ps, this isnt a rant, just want this to be over)

I have zero issues with my screen; no ghosting, yellow/pink tint, light bolbs etc.
but no one believes me

groaner said:
I don't care what other believe or not. If they want to see my receipt plus the 2 exchange receipts I have here in this bag beside me I'll send them a picture.
Regardless, I must be one of the few people who have this screen problem AND use the phone as a night clock.
I am posting this for information to anyone who also has experienced or may wonder if their phone also has this issue.
If you dont have it, GREAT! I wish I had your phone.
(ps, this isnt a rant, just want this to be over)
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Someone else in Canada (Toronto) went through five phones because of tinting issues with the display. He too exchanged them back-to-back from the same store. If you've been going to the same store, and there was a run of bad displays, all the phones built in sequence could be effected. Can't you go to a different store and exchange it there?

Have the same problem, its like blobs/smudges that are lighter black/greyish. Not an even black color.
Its best noticeable in a dark room without any other light, not even the light of the touch buttons or top bar active (so your eyes are adjusted to seeing in the dark). Using this image I can see it clearly. Auto adjust screen power doesn't influence it.

I think we all may have blobs to varying degrees. The other day I looked at my screen in bright sunlight with polarized sunglasses on. It made the screen look black but you could clearly see random beige blotches all over it. In normal use I think my screen is as close to perfect as there is and when looking at a black background in the dark I don't see blobs or blotches. The "O" in AMOLED stands for organic which means alive. Maybe what we're seeing is a by product of the technology.

Nivekius said:
Have the same problem, its like blobs/smudges that are lighter black/greyish. Not an even black color.
Its best noticeable in a dark room without any other light, not even the light of the touch buttons or top bar active (so your eyes are adjusted to seeing in the dark). Using this image I can see it clearly. Auto adjust screen power doesn't influence it.
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You got it too!
Well, i'm glad I'm not alone sorry that you have it too.
Hopefully I will get a call from the store when the new shipment comes in and the issue will go away.
I tried going to another store and was told DOA's could not be exchanged at other stores that they had to go back to the store it was purchased at.
It is likely that all phones at Bell at all the stores at the same time may well come from the same batch.
I can wait over the weekend. I bought it on the 1st so still have most of my 30 day period to do the exchange. after that its repairs only. trying to avoid that.
I tried to get back the first one I had as it didn't have it as bad as all the subsequent ones I've had. Once a phone is marked DOA it can not be resold until it has been reconditioned and put back through the system. Understandable.

BarryH_GEG said:
I think we all may have blobs to varying degrees. The other day I looked at my screen in bright sunlight with polarized sunglasses on. It made the screen look black but you could clearly see random beige blotches all over it. In normal use I think my screen is as close to perfect as there is and when looking at a black background in the dark I don't see blobs or blotches. The "O" in AMOLED stands for organic which means alive. Maybe what we're seeing is a by product of the technology.
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I agree and I can accept some imperfections but I'd like to get as close to "perfect" as I can seeing that I had it in the beginning (WHY didnt I keep the first one?!)
Oh well, I'll take what I get with the new shipment and be happy with it,unless there is functional issues, then I'll be

BarryH_GEG said:
In normal use I think my screen is as close to perfect as there is and when looking at a black background in the dark I don't see blobs or blotches. The "O" in AMOLED stands for organic which means alive. Maybe what we're seeing is a by product of the technology.
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Well good you don't see any blobs or perhaps you are suffering from a certain degree of Nyctalopia. Sometimes a disorder is not bad, see no evil ... Nonetheless the O in AMOLED doesn't stand for alive, just for a chemical compound containing molecules with carbon.
I must add that two Galaxy S (i9000) models I have looked at don't have this issue, at all. The screens are fully and equally the same black tint/shade. Taking a picture to capture the problem has proven to be somewhat difficult, but this old camera probably isn't really anything to write home about these days.

Nivekius said:
Well good you don't see any blobs or perhaps you are suffering from a certain degree of Nyctalopia. Sometimes a disorder is not bad, see no evil
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OCD is also a recognized disorder in which the pursuit of perfection overtakes one's life. If I had problems with my phone I'd have no problem sharing them. I've posted tons of pics of my phone in the dark, in the light, on grey, showing apps, and at every brightness level between 0% and 100%. I'm not going to apologize because I have a decent screen. Though I do sympathize with those that aren't satisfied for whatever the reason.

BarryH_GEG said:
OCD is also a recognized disorder in which the pursuit of perfection overtakes one's life. If I had problems with my phone I'd have no problem sharing them. I've posted tons of pics of my phone in the dark, in the light, on grey, showing apps, and at every brightness level between 0% and 100%. I'm not going to apologize because I have a decent screen. Though I do sympathize with those that aren't satisfied for whatever the reason.
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I dream of having a phone like yours.
I'm glad that all i have are these splotches on the screen in the darkness. it is not viewable at any other time and all other functions of the phone are perfect.
I can live with the splotches if i have to but would prefer to not. I'll exchange one more time and leave it.

groaner said:
I dream of having a phone like yours.
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I'm sure I'm not special. If you look at the low level of participation in the display threads either people have low standards or the majority of phones are like mine. Even within the display threads, 50% of the posts are by the same dozen or so people. In the other Canadian display thread a bunch of people from Toronto posted they had no problems. So keep spinning the wheel, you're bound to get lucky.

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OCD is also a recognized disorder in which the pursuit of perfection overtakes one's life.
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Obsessive–compulsive disorder is not how you describe it, perfectionism is. Some more of this perfectionism for a company like Samsung would not be bad at all.
It was not meant to be taken seriously anyway (hence the smiley). Albeit a joke, people whom suffer from night blindness will of course not see this particular issue though.
While I believe I did not post in the other display problem threads. I do have yellow tint and pink/blueish shade from all angles except from front. Which of course doesn't make it sound like a decent and proper SAMOLED+ display at all. Since I have a Galaxy S that doesn't exhibit these problems, it of course makes me a little disappointed.

Nivekius said:
Obsessive–compulsive disorder is not how you describe it, perfectionism is. Some more of this perfectionism for a company like Samsung would not be bad at all.
It was not meant to be taken seriously anyway (hence the smiley). Albeit a joke, people whom suffer from night blindness will of course not see this particular issue though.
While I believe I did not post in the other display problem threads. I do have yellow tint and pink/blueish shade from all angles except from front. Which of course doesn't make it sound like a decent and proper SAMOLED+ display at all. Since I have a Galaxy S that doesn't exhibit these problems, it of course makes me a little disappointed.
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I wasn't attacking you, just having a little fun trading disorders. I actually considered myself anal retentive until I started participating in this forum. ;-)
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The anal stage, hmm no let's just leave Freud there. He doesn't have blops on his screen anyway.
I can not exchange my phone, probably because it was included for "free" with a Vodafone plan, even though I just have it a couple of days. The shop implied I could sent it in for repair but I am reluctant to do that for various reasons.

bruflot said:
I have zero issues with my screen; no ghosting, yellow/pink tint, light bolbs etc.
but no one believes me
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Not all phones are affected with the same assortment of issues but I find it hard to believe that your phone does not have any ghosting, its an limitation on the SAMOLED+, Im not saying your lying but I dont believe that claim either. For the yellow banding on the left side user to user and phone to phone subjective.
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I must add that two Galaxy S (i9000) models I have looked at don't have this issue, at all. The screens are fully and equally the same black tint/shade. Taking a picture to capture the problem has proven to be somewhat difficult, but this old camera probably isn't really anything to write home about these days.
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One of my thoughts also point to that a lot of S2 owners are first time users of SAMOLED screens, hence they dont know what to expect or have an entire low level of expectations. The S2 is my 3rd phone with a SAMOLED based technology and pretty much the expectation should be higher than the first generation SAMOLED right?
But all people say that these defects are expected are we are the minority as millions and millions of phones getting sold but theres no "internet media coverage" about it and they start bringing in other phones as a comparison when the only comparison needed is the previous generation SAMOLED.
I was initially very disappointed on this until I had my phone exchanged (Had to sort out over a dozen phones) and also XXKGx firmware alleviated the yellow banding, right now Im happy with what I got but I can be happier if the quality on the SAMOLED+ surpassed the first generation, The regular SAMOLED is superior in every way even if it was pentile. I just gotta hope for the best when the SGS3 and SAMOLED HD comes out.
Nivekius said:
The anal stage, hmm no let's just leave Freud there. He doesn't have blops on his screen anyway.
I can not exchange my phone, probably because it was included for "free" with a Vodafone plan, even though I just have it a couple of days. The shop implied I could sent it in for repair but I am reluctant to do that for various reasons.
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This could also be a possible reason why Samsung has never said anything about the display issues on the S2, a lot of shops are refusing exchanges and sending customers to the service center and have repairs instead, probably Samsung has informed its retail channel that they will be replacing deadpixels only anything should be dealt with by the retailer.. well just a conspiracy theory =)

Widespread screen defects? Please reply.

Guys as you can see, many started posting concerning some defects of the Note's screen. It's starting to look widespread. Might be wrong tho.
Should we be worried of widespread manufacturing defects? I would hate sending my Note back to Amazon.de even when it hasn't even arrived yet! I hate all the hassle/waiting/delays.
Please only post insightful/informative answers, because I'm starting to get worried and I can ASSURED you I'm not the worrying or nitpicking type so that's says something.
I believe many or some others people are in the same situation as me. Also I got it from Amazon.de so it's EU Model.
Could this be EU model specific "problems"? If it does NOT affect it's performance/reliability and day2day usage I don't even care then..
But I would hate having the screen of a expensive device failing on me after couple months. It's the phones main feature after all and many started complaining about it.

koniakki said:
Guys as you can see, many started posting concerning some defects of the Note's screen. It's starting to look widespread. Might be wrong tho.
Should we be worried of widespread manufacturing defects? I would hate sending my Note back to Amazon.de even when it hasn't even arrived yet! I hate all the hassle/waiting/delays.
Please only post insightful/informative answers, because I'm starting to get worried and I can ASSURED you I'm not the worrying or nitpicking type so that's says something.
I believe many or some others people are in the same situation as me. Also I got it from Amazon.de so it's EU Model.
Could this be EU model specific "problems"? If it does NOT affect it's performance/reliability and day2day usage I don't even care then..
But I would hate having the screen of a expensive device failing on me after couple months. It's the phones main feature after all and many started complaining about it.
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According to my poll, over 83% of the people here who responded think the Note is the best phone ever made. So I think you might be barking up the wrong tree or singing the wrong Note needlessly.

koniakki said:
Guys as you can see, many started posting concerning some defects of the Note's screen. It's starting to look widespread. Might be wrong tho.
Should we be worried of widespread manufacturing defects? I would hate sending my Note back to Amazon.de even when it hasn't even arrived yet! I hate all the hassle/waiting/delays.
Please only post insightful/informative answers, because I'm starting to get worried and I can ASSURED you I'm not the worrying or nitpicking type so that's says something.
I believe many or some others people are in the same situation as me. Also I got it from Amazon.de so it's EU Model.
Could this be EU model specific "problems"? If it does NOT affect it's performance/reliability and day2day usage I don't even care then..
But I would hate having the screen of a expensive device failing on me after couple months. It's the phones main feature after all and many started complaining about it.
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Theres absolutely no problem whatsoever. If you display a full-black picture on the phones display in lightless environment you can see the OLED display emits a little bit of light (like 1/1000 of the best LCDs I've seen). Also you might spot few black spots when looking at the screen with your perhiperal vision. So yea... huge problems!
Your never ever going to see these "problems" in normal usage scenarios. Some people just like to make practically non-existing problems into huge "dealbreaker" situations.

Gaugerer said:
According to my poll, over 83% of the people here who responded think the Note is the best phone ever made. So I think you might be barking up the wrong tree.
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Did I say otherwise? That is NOT great phone? Best is subjective to each one needs and opinion. But for me it's the BEST phone for what I want and look after. That's WHY I order it.
Don't take this the wrong way but that's your opinion of insightful/informative answer? Please don't answer. Just think about it.
I did not ask if it's good/best phone or if you like it. I ordered it for the same reasons like almost all here.
I believe my post is very clear of what it's about.
I asked about the display/screen issues some are having. So please next time answer more appropriate and talk about the display/screen "issues" and not about trees and barking and whatever you wan't to talk about.
P.S: See what I had write now? I hate to write such comments/posts. There's no need for them I believe.
A more appropriate answer like: No it's not widespread. I just isolated case or something or whatever, would have been much preferred. Thank you.

koniakki said:
Did I say otherwise? That is NOT great phone? Best is subjective to each one needs and opinion. But for me it's the BEST phone for what I want and look after. That's WHY I order it.
Don't take this the wrong way but that's your opinion of insightful/informative answer? Please don't answer. Just think about it.
I did not ask if it's good/best phone or if you like it. I ordered it for the same reasons like almost all here.
I believe my post is very clear of what it's about.
I asked about the display/screen issues some are having. So please next time answer more appropriate and talk about the display/screen "issues" and not about trees and barking and whatever you wan't to talk about.
P.S: See what I had write now? I hate to write such comments/posts. There's no need for them I believe.
A more appropriate answer like: No it's not widespread. I just isolated case or something or whatever, would have been much preferred. Thank you.
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I apologise if I have offended you by the manner in which I replied. I was not trying to be patronising but just trying to reassure you and that you might be worried unnecessarily.

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Theres absolutely no problem whatsoever. If you display a full-black picture on the phones display in lightless environment you can see the OLED display emits a little bit of light (like 1/1000 of the best LCDs I've seen). Also you might spot few black spots when looking at the screen with your perhiperal vision. So yea... huge problems!
Your never ever going to see these "problems" in normal usage scenarios. Some people just like to make practically non-existing problems into huge "dealbreaker" situations.
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I know. As I said I'm not the nitpicking type. I will never turn the brightness to a 100%(had it at the lowest on my SGS2) and wont stare a full-black picture in lightless environment for no apparent reason obviously.
The thing that got me worried was those black spots to be honest. So reliability is a great concern for me.
And thanks for the reply. I really appreciate it.

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I apologise if I have offended you by the manner in which I replied. I was not trying to be patronising but just trying to reassure you that you might be worried unnecessarily.
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None taken. I apologize for my saying also. We are all part of a great community here. And also a part of a bigger one too. Yes, XDA Community.

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None taken. I apologize for my saying also. We are all part of a great community here. And also a part of a bigger one too. Yes, XDA Community.
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We all are XDA-Brothers & Sisters !

Spots before your eyes dept.
There seem to be a couple of cases of defective screens, but a huge amount of opinion about the qualities of Pentile screens. The only thing I can notice with a magnifying glass, is that white text on a black background seems to have a fuzzy red edge to it. Black text on a white background is sharp.
Links that shed light on the matter:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...D---is-the-PenTile-matrix-bad-for-you_id23134
http://www.nouvoyance.com/technology.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active-matrix_OLED
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile_matrix_family
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_light-emitting_diode#Advantages

ankydu said:
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What about married members? Or members dating? Is that even legal?

Xaddict said:
There seem to be a couple of cases of defective screens, but a huge amount of opinion about the qualities of Pentile screens. The only thing I can notice with a magnifying glass, is that white text on a black background seems to have a fuzzy red edge to it. Black text on a white background is sharp.
Links that shed light on the matter:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...D---is-the-PenTile-matrix-bad-for-you_id23134
http://www.nouvoyance.com/technology.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active-matrix_OLED
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile_matrix_family
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_light-emitting_diode#Advantages
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Excellent read Xaddict. Thanks for taking the time to post them. It would be useful for future viewers that might find this thread. I know a bit about the PenTile and amoled technology...
My concern are the black spots. I know some SGS2 screens have them. I did not notice them when I checked it on my SGS2. So are those black spots are anything to worry about? Are they inside the margin of error or something?
And my final question. Do they affect the screen's reliability in any way?

koniakki said:
Excellent read Xaddict. Thanks for taking the time to post them. It would be useful for future viewers that might find this thread. I know a bit about the PenTile and amoled technology...
My concern are the black spots. I know some SGS2 screens have them. I did not notice them when I checked it on my SGS2. So are those black spots are anything to worry about? Are they inside the margin of error or something?
And my final question. Do they affect the screen's reliability in any way?
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Can't comment on black spots as I have not seen them.
Compared to my HD2, the Note has blacks that are black as the ace of spades on a dark night, vivid colours and sharp detail(unless viewed with a magnifying glass), and no spots.
Not sure of differences between SAMOLED Pentile and OLED Monitors but Sony are releasing a new range of OLED Broadcast monitors that sell from $10,000-$30,000. They are replacing LCD and CRT's in the broadcast industry.
To quote phonearena.com "To wrap it up we'd say that the fears about PenTile appear hugely overblown when it comes to the new HD Super AMOLED technology, which delivers higher pixel density."

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Theres absolutely no problem whatsoever. If you display a full-black picture on the phones display in lightless environment you can see the OLED display emits a little bit of light (like 1/1000 of the best LCDs I've seen). Also you might spot few black spots when looking at the screen with your perhiperal vision. So yea... huge problems!
Your never ever going to see these "problems" in normal usage scenarios. Some people just like to make practically non-existing problems into huge "dealbreaker" situations.
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It seems like some people are so obsessed with 'perfection' in their ever evolving cutting edge gadgets that at some point the manufacturers are going to need start binning their devices, selling a velvet glove hand inspected version for say 50% more, or start trashing the majority of new screens/devices due to perceived imperfections thus driving the prices through the roof, unfortunately though these scenarios wouldn't satisfy the majority of the perfectionsts (reading some comments it makes me wonder what the writers are like to deal with in real life, how they would like being held to account at such a nitpicking and unrealistic standard) as everyone wants their cutting edge gadgets to be minimally priced as well.
Think about it for a minute, we are basically packing around the equivalent of a cutting edge laptop from a few years ago in our pockets, what happened to the excitement of being part of the technological cutting edge? Enjoy your gadget while you have it, you'll be replacing it soon enough anyways with something new that is flawed somehow but much more awesome.

I remember a similar controversy that was being peddled when the HTC HD2 came out. If you viewed the screen with sunlight reflecting off it at a 45 degree angle, you could see the etched pattern of the capacitive touchscreen grid. I hardly ever noticed it and when I did it made no difference to the quality of the phone's screen, but some held that it was a defective design.

Well I have seen on a couple of S2s and Notes some dark marks in the background. Best visible to me when looking on a grey background with low brightness setting.
Eg. Maps.
I am not too worried about this, since with increasing brightness it gets much better.
Since I checked a couple of stores and always found it, I believe it is a common issue. Might be worse or better from phone to phone, but always there.

Thank you all for your replies. Greatly appreciated.
So, to answer my own concerns based on your replies: No, is not an issue at all. Well, so far atleast, since it's a new device not many users if any, used it for longer perioed(3-6months).
Let's hope it's all good when it arrives in a couple days. If anything with the phone I will post to the appropriate threads. Thanks again.

This is a general statement and not a direct first hand account of my experiences with the SGN.
The human brain has the ability to ignore small issues or lack of information. For example, you can listen to a conversation with your date at a restaurant even with a lot of background noise. You can look at an image for a split second and be able to make out what the picture was even if you only saw part of it. Tiny issues with the display may not even register.
However, if you are looking for issues you will find them. Also you are far more likely to be bothered by an issue once it is pointed out to you. Sometimes ignorance is bliss. If someone tells you looking at the screen in very specific circumstances will result in a visual artifact, you will tend to always notice it. I am not saying we should not share this information and just unquestioningly accept what we are given. Just be careful what road you go down. Somethings cannot be unseen!
I recently looked up a review of my monitor for my computer and noticed people were complaining about ghosting in some games. I had not noticed it before I read that review, however guess what I always notice when playing games now?
PS. Want to sell a 24" Asus LED LCD.

The OP asked if these marks are an indication of reduced reliability of the screens, i.e. they're defective so they're going to fail sooner. To answer, I don't think there's enough history/data for anybody to answer that question with certainty yet, but I've seen the same marks on my Nexus One AMOLED screen and the GSII AMOLED screen, so I'd venture to say no, reliability is not likely to be negatively affected.

Pops_G said:
....Sometimes ignorance is bliss....
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The bold part is one of the best advices and can apply to many aspects in life as on hardware.
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PS. Want to sell a 24" Asus LED LCD.
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Interested to get that "faulty" ghosting led lcd out of your hands. Price please?
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The OP asked if these marks are an indication of reduced reliability of the screens, i.e. they're defective so they're going to fail sooner. To answer, I don't think there's enough history/data for anybody to answer that question with certainty yet, but I've seen the same marks on my Nexus One AMOLED screen and the GSII AMOLED screen, so I'd venture to say no, reliability is not likely to be negatively affected.
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Thank you maxh. I agree with you. I said it also that is too early to tell, but the reason I made this whole thread is so someone with some engineering expertises would reply to ease my concerns.
But it seems that is not a reliability issue from all the replies, even if I believe none of us is professionally certified to answer that. Time will tell.
In the meantime let's all enjoy our humongous SGS2 on steroids!

Colour depth
I am having doubts that the screen on the Note is 16M / 24bit colour depth.
GSMArena states the colour depth is 16M.
This is a link to a website with a 24bit png gradient and an explanation of screen bit depth: Gradient
Looking at it on the note, there is banding characteristic of 16bit, which doesn't show up on my pc's screen.
I tried png & jpg gradients i made in photoshop and all had banding on the Note.
Oh well, what was I expecting on a handset?
I guess GSMArena got my hopes up.

Marques Brownlee has spoken!

Check out MKBHD's new review of the Pixel 2 / XL. Thoughts?

Halt shipping and conduct a QC investigation...

Watched this video this morning! Can't wait for my P2XL to arrive tomorrow!
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As always, an honest review.
Makes me more excited for my delivery, although it is one day past my ship date and I have no confirmation.
Blue hue, won't bother me at all.
Muted colors. I believe google will provide some options with a software update at some point, but I've already seen the phone at Verizon and the colors didn't bother me at all.
Otherwise, the phone will definitely be the best I've ever had.

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As always, an honest review.
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I worry sometimes that MKBHD is too much of an android fanboy & then a review comes out like this & I don't care anymore. LOL!
Seriously, I've watched him since he was a teenager & I believe what he says.

I don't know what to think anymore. Some say this phone is a turd. Others, like MKBHD, praise it. Guess I'm glad I didn't cancel my order and I can find out for myself. Mine is on a truck for delivery - three full days ahead of schedule. So that's good. Although I'm not sure why I'm getting my 128gb black version ahead of people who ordered a full day before me, but that's Google's terrible shipping for you.

I'm going to honestly say that all this news on the Pixel 2XL feels like a smear campaign or something. I swear, I wasn't seeing as many news stories as when Samsung had phones exploding and they were refusing to let them on planes. Why is something that is largely subjective as screen preference, dotted with a few actual hardware defects being plastered everywhere on the internet. I seriously can't scroll one or two screens, in Google, Newstand, Google+, Facebook, etc without seeing something about the damn screen.

b ..bb.bbbut the screen looks funny when i try to watch a YouTube video at the lowest light setting with 1 eye holding it sideways with a strobe light going off in the background
seriously though i don't know. Google F'ed my shipping up and i went from having it yesterday to having it Thursday so id love to put this thing to the test myself but the wait continues.

Its objectively a bad screen, thats why. Honestly i don't get why people are defending the screen. Its one thing to say you acknowledge the problem but are ok with it, but to pretend this isn't an issue is crazy and if you're ok with a $850+ phone with a bad display, then thats cool, enjoy it. I've seen three pixel 2xl's in real life (the one i bought and two others coworkers bought) and the extreme blue shift is identical on all of them, this is just how the screen is. Its worse than my 2 year old 6p screen. Do i love everything else about the phone, yes, is the display a dealer breaker for me, yes, is it for everyone, no; but again that doesnt make the screen ok on a flagship top of the price range phone. I think its embarrassing to the reviewers who were ok with it, they should be universally trashing this display, cause its the worse ive ever seen on a flagship phone.

love how he explained the color issue.

He made a great review! I don't know why everyone is crying so much. This phone is amazing. I've had it for three days now and I might be lucky but I have 0 issues. The colors for me are fine and it's really smooth. I'm extremely happy with my purchase and can't wait for further development for this phone.

I like his reviews as he is seeing the device for what it is and compares it to how he uses it.. Yes his use might be different than ours but at least he is reviewing in the sense of a normal user (or at least for me he does). The whole display thing i feel is being blown way out of proportion. Its like if no one ever mentioned it would you have really noticed it? or would you have gone about your day like it never existed. For cases where it is faulty that is where warranty comes in play. so i'll be getting my phone and going through my works but most likely i will be keeping mine

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Both my wife and several coworkers pointed out the tint immediately, "why is it so blue" without any understanding of the controversy around it. I thought i had a particularly bad one, as the blue tint happens at around a 10% angle, but two other coworkers have gotten theirs and they're identical. I thought i could deal with it, but in normal use i dont look at my phone straight on its almost always at a slight angle, so the top of the phone would be blue tinted and the bottom would look fine, and scrolling with two different color temps is a weird thing, particularly peoples faces.
To be clear, all phones shift a little, my nexus 6p has a slight blue shift then rainbow at nearly flat, and my wifes S8 has a slight red shift then rainbows, but the P2XL shift is in another world, its so extreme and so fast, and actually gets better looking at extreme angles than at slight ones.

phyl0x said:
Both my wife and several coworkers pointed out the tint immediately, "why is it so blue" without any understanding of the controversy around it. I thought i had a particularly bad one, as the blue tint happens at around a 10% angle, but two other coworkers have gotten theirs and they're identical. I thought i could deal with it, but in normal use i dont look at my phone straight on its almost always at a slight angle, so the top of the phone would be blue tinted and the bottom would look fine, and scrolling with two different color temps is a weird thing, particularly peoples faces.
To be clear, all phones shift a little, my nexus 6p has a slight blue shift then rainbow at nearly flat, and my wifes S8 has a slight red shift then rainbows, but the P2XL shift is in another world, its so extreme and so fast, and actually gets better looking at extreme angles than at slight ones.
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Thanks for the information. i do believe you on the blue tint being probably that bad. me personally i would have to use it for a week before i can decide if that will really bother me. if other see it i'm eh about it cause it's not their phone. but glad to know you noticed other people have noticed on your phone.

phyl0x said:
Its objectively a bad screen, thats why. Honestly i don't get why people are defending the screen. Its one thing to say you acknowledge the problem but are ok with it, but to pretend this isn't an issue is crazy and if you're ok with a $850+ phone with a bad display, then thats cool, enjoy it. I've seen three pixel 2xl's in real life (the one i bought and two others coworkers bought) and the extreme blue shift is identical on all of them, this is just how the screen is. Its worse than my 2 year old 6p screen. Do i love everything else about the phone, yes, is the display a dealer breaker for me, yes, is it for everyone, no; but again that doesnt make the screen ok on a flagship top of the price range phone. I think its embarrassing to the reviewers who were ok with it, they should be universally trashing this display, cause its the worse ive ever seen on a flagship phone.
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Totally agreed with you on this. for such a high price flagship, we shouldn't be able to oversee issues like this. That's the reason I cancelled it. I'll wait a few more weeks or months if things gets better and re-order. For now, I wouldn't lie to my self and say I can live with this.

His comments on the display were interesting and it is odd that the display supports a wider color gamut but isn't using it (as evidenced by Firefox). That said, the images people typically use to compare the display are grossly oversaturated even if they are using a wider gamut. The first comparison picture he uses with the S8 has much more detail in the Pixel version because the S8 is blowing out the colors so much to produce those saturated neon greens. I'd be interested to actually see the Pixel up against another display that is using proper color saturation with a wider gamut.

Rodeojones said:
I don't know what to think anymore. Some say this phone is a turd. Others, like MKBHD, praise it. Guess I'm glad I didn't cancel my order and I can find out for myself. Mine is on a truck for delivery - three full days ahead of schedule. So that's good. Although I'm not sure why I'm getting my 128gb black version ahead of people who ordered a full day before me, but that's Google's terrible shipping for you.
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I feel like I can live with the screen washout and blue tint at the angle. I'm a little worried about the screen burn in and clucky noises that people are reporting hopefully those are just defects from a really bad batch. I get mine tomorrow so I will definitely be keeping an eye on it. If anything is bad I return it and just get the Pixel XL.

Notable XDA Dev supercurio sheds some light on some of the claims made in Marques' review.
Keep in mind this guy made the software that Erica Griffin used to measure the display. He knows what he's talking about, more than most.
https://plus.google.com/+supercurioFrancoisSimond/posts/8feW5GMgGgt
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Rodeojones said:
I don't know what to think anymore. Some say this phone is a turd. Others, like MKBHD, praise it. Guess I'm glad I didn't cancel my order and I can find out for myself. Mine is on a truck for delivery - three full days ahead of schedule. So that's good. Although I'm not sure why I'm getting my 128gb black version ahead of people who ordered a full day before me, but that's Google's terrible shipping for you.
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Go with your own review, who knows what some reviewers motives are. Hell id praise a phone if it meant they kept sending me free stuff and devices! MKBHD is honest I believe though

The blue tint is when it's at a certain angle. Now that angle may be less than most phones, but I don't know of anyone who reads their phone at an angle. He explains that in the video as well. Like he said if your "that guy/gal' then this phone isn't for you. I think when people bring stuff up that bothers them & make a big deal about it everyone is looking for it. If other reviewers had never said anything this wouldn't be as big of an issue. Just nitpicking now.

It's going back. So sad...

After four days, I'm returning my Pixel 2 XL.
It is a wonderful phone in every respect........except for one.
I just couldn't get past the screen. I had a positive attitude and hopes beyond hopes.
I tried. I really did.
No burn-in issues - that wasn't the problem (yet).
It's the blue. Blue everywhere. At an angle, off center, or looking at photographs - everything just had this blue tinge to it that I couldn't deal with. The grainyness and color fringing in the text was there, too. Not cool.
I love and trust Google and have been a diehard Android fan from the beginning, but I paid over a $1000 for this and I refuse to swallow that expensive pill, knowing these annoyances are there.
Why Google? WHY??...
I'm sure Google might send out a patch to deal with some of this, but in the meantime, I'm going back to my Nexus 6.
It's really a shame. The software experience on this phone is amazing. And the camera...oh, that camera. Simply stunning.
Well, at least I get my headphone jack back....

Maybe try a replacement. I've seen some side by side where one was blue at every turn, and another was only blue at extreme angles. Most OLED screens have this problem to some degree, though Samsung has done a great job of minimizing the effect.
The Pixel 2 XL is by far the smoothest Android phone out there and I hope they deal with the quality control issues.

Guyinlaca said:
Maybe try a replacement. I've seen some side by side where one was blue at every turn, and another was only blue at extreme angles. Most OLED screens have this problem to some degree, though Samsung has done a great job of minimizing the effect.
The Pixel 2 XL is by far the smoothest Android phone out there and I hope they deal with the quality control issues.
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I agree. It was a wonderful Android experience. Smoothest phone I've ever used.
I'm just not in the mood to play "order, return, order return, repeat.." with a $1000 device.
If this were a $400 phone, I might have some patience for that.
I was also having some bluetooth issues, but that could have been the device I was connecting to (car).
All in all, if you can tolerate the screen, it's an amazing phone

I just boxed mine up today to return for a refund as well. I decided that I didn't want to go the RMA process at this stage. It's still too early for Google/LG to tighten up manufacturing quality and it's not worth it for me to pay $912 to maybe get a decent one. I want to see how it is in a few months or possible for holiday sales and re-buy it then but until then.. back to my 6P with its rapidly degrading battery. I should note that I returned mine for multiple reasons including the top selling point of this phone, the camera. I could not get a good pic out of that phone for the life of me and I don't know why. Also, charging was not fast at all. So couple those things with the screen issues (for me it was extreme blue tint, graininess, black smear, and overall terrible white balance/contrast tuning to the point where it was actually uncomfortable to look at the screen without night light on) and it was unfortunately the decision that had to be made. I REALLY liked everything else about the phone and know that the charging and camera must have been a true defect as a factory reset didn't resolve it. So if the screen was up to par for a $900-$1000, I'd have just RMA'd it. So sad.. I really hope Google and LG get their sh*t together on the manufacturing side to fix all the little crap with it and the major glaring issue being the screen. Either tighten up ship with the current OLED display or switch to a samsung panel for better/more consistent manufacturing. I have got to believe someone or many people are getting fired over this fiasco.

bye bro

Another one bites the dust... bummer!

jrg67 said:
I just boxed mine up today to return for a refund as well. I decided that I didn't want to go the RMA process at this stage. It's still too early for Google/LG to tighten up manufacturing quality and it's not worth it for me to pay $912 to maybe get a decent one. I want to see how it is in a few months or possible for holiday sales and re-buy it then but until then.. back to my 6P with its rapidly degrading battery. I should note that I returned mine for multiple reasons including the top selling point of this phone, the camera. I could not get a good pic out of that phone for the life of me and I don't know why. Also, charging was not fast at all. So couple those things with the screen issues (for me it was extreme blue tint, graininess, black smear, and overall terrible white balance/contrast tuning to the point where it was actually uncomfortable to look at the screen without night light on) and it was unfortunately the decision that had to be made. I REALLY liked everything else about the phone and know that the charging and camera must have been a true defect as a factory reset didn't resolve it. So if the screen was up to par for a $900-$1000, I'd have just RMA'd it. So sad.. I really hope Google and LG get their sh*t together on the manufacturing side to fix all the little crap with it and the major glaring issue being the screen. Either tighten up ship with the current OLED display or switch to a samsung panel for better/more consistent manufacturing. I have got to believe someone or many people are getting fired over this fiasco.
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Interesting

Not to talk you back into Pixel 2, but there is the fact that the OLED display is designed to display wide gamut colors and is limited in most apps to simply RGB leaving a dull palette and such.... however, Google has said they will release a fix (Saturated Colors) soon..
https://www.xda-developers.com/google-pixel-2-xl-warranty-color-mode/
Then there is this as well:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/77gm3r/android_oreo_color_gamuts_and_pixel_2_explained/

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Vague.

dethknite said:
Not to talk you back into Pixel 2, but there is the fact that the OLED display is designed to display wide gamut colors and is limited in most apps to simply RGB leaving a dull palette and such.... however, Google has said they will release a fix (Saturated Colors) soon..
https://www.xda-developers.com/google-pixel-2-xl-warranty-color-mode/
Then there is this as well:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/77gm3r/android_oreo_color_gamuts_and_pixel_2_explained/
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Yes, I am very aware of that.
My argument is, for spending a $1000+, I shouldn't have to wait.......... for something like that to correct itself.
This is a competitive market and Google should know better.
Forgetting the lousy color gamut, overall the screen is just not up to par for a device of this caliber.
I don't expect this phone to be absolutely perfect, but this screen is just not in the same class as the rest of the phone.
As I've mentioned, the phone, the build, and the software experience is top-notch. It is such a shame that Google dropped the ball on the screen - y'know,.....the most-important part of the phone.
Perhaps in six months I'll try again. But I refuse to spend this kind of money for a product that is obviously not ready for prime-time.

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Truly hope to be back soon.
After I posted that, I read a few more posts regarding people returning their 2XLs and the responses literally surprised me. There is so much hate towards people expressing their decision to return it over obvious manufacturing issues and not wanting to deal with the RMA process. It's almost like people are personally offended like they were hand assembling the phones themselves and simply cannot understand there being defective devices out there. Not saying you are being that way by saying "bye bro" bc that is way less harsh than I read earlier but damn. This has become sort of comical that the people who are keeping their phones are defending them so vehemently and not believing others who's phones were defective. It's like basically saying we are whining about non issue mythical problems.

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Truly hope to be back soon.
After I posted that, I read a few more posts regarding people returning their 2XLs and the responses literally surprised me. There is so much hate towards people expressing their decision to return it over obvious manufacturing issues and not wanting to deal with the RMA process. It's almost like people are personally offended like they were hand assembling the phones themselves and simply cannot understand there being defective devices out there. Not saying you are being that way by saying "bye bro" bc that is way less harsh than I read earlier but damn. This has become sort of comical that the people who are keeping their phones are defending them so vehemently and not believing others who's phones were defective. It's like basically saying we are whining about non issue mythical problems.
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Vague.
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I haven't received my Pixel 2 XL yet so I'm just taking notes..... Let me know if that's still too vague for you

People that RMA their phone for either a replacement or for a return, do you have to pay for shipping or does Google give you prepaid shipping?

Got my replacement today, I also sent back because of blue. Well my new one is night and day difference. I will post pics when my wife gets home. Can easily see the difference.

i'm doing an RMA myself.. but for other reasons.. but before i divulge too much off the original topic... why is there so much variance between displays?!?! some phones start turning blue at a fairly shallow angle.. and some more at sharp angles.. that's ridiculous how varied it can be. the off-axis shift is certainly worse on my personal one vs the one i looked at before (started 20 degrees instead of 40)
and even though off-axis shift isn't really bothersome to me as much.... the GPS lock was unstable.. great when it works... really bad when not. it feels like when i first had my LG built N5.... GPS problems all over again..
GPS location shooting me over a mile away from where i am? unacceptable!!
a display issue i also did notice was how the display dealt with dark colors and blacks... with significant clipping (aka "black crush").. as well as the lag that causes the "black smear".. it is certainly below average.
with after having troubles with GPS location.. i was done.. support was contacted.. and after troubleshooting with them through various steps... they are going to send a replacement.
now, i am still invested in getting the Pixel 2 XL.. display issues or not... but GPS needs to work and that camera is another reason why i'm still going to give it another go. even looking up my manufacturing date (Oct 19th?!).. i felt it was probably not part of any early batches that might've had worse problems... but goodness... i dunno what they're gonna do... send me a refurb? even newer built? i'll see in a few days..
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lensgrabber said:
People that RMA their phone for either a replacement or for a return, do you have to pay for shipping or does Google give you prepaid shipping?
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They pay.. Google support emails you the shipping label and paperwork for your package.

more power to you. if you can wait until it goes on sale to buy it again and the kinks are worked out. that's awesome. i on the other hand couldn't wait. but i'm in the third batch. shipping "today" "no movement" lol. so we will see what they have done.

My personal phone is a Pixel 2 XL and work phone is a Samsung S8+ funny thing is off angle they BOTH have a blue tint to them. No doubt it is more pronounced on my pixel 2 xl but it's not detectable looking at either phone and about 5 degree rotation left or right. Using both phone's I never see the tint 99%+ of the time. I guess it's being reported there is a random element in the degree of blue you get when at an angle but really mine isn't that much worse than my S8+ to a point where its not something that even occurs to me unless I am perusing a forum like this etc..

My pixel XL is going right back... In my pocket because it's ****ing dope

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i'm doing an RMA myself.. but for other reasons.. but before i divulge too much off the original topic... why is there so much variance between displays?!?! some phones start turning blue at a fairly shallow angle.. and some more at sharp angles.. that's ridiculous how varied it can be. the off-axis shift is certainly worse on my personal one vs the one i looked at before (started 20 degrees instead of 40)
and even though off-axis shift isn't really bothersome to me as much.... the GPS lock was unstable.. great when it works... really bad when not. it feels like when i first had my LG built N5.... GPS problems all over again..
GPS location shooting me over a mile away from where i am? unacceptable!!
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Can't speak to the GPS issues. I had some Bluetooth issues, but like I said, it may not have been the phone.
As far as the display - it wasn't "bad" per se - I've seen worse. My complaint was it isn't good enough - especially on a $1000 device.
To reinforce my point, if you put my Pixel 2 XL side-by-side against my 3-year old+ Nexus 6, the difference is mind-blowing. Motorola hit it out of the ballpark with this display. That was what really did it for me.
And for the record, my Nexus 6 also has an OLED screen. Still no burn-in that I can see and that sucker is on, all the time.