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Purple tint on AT&T screen

As reported at BGR, I too have noticed a slightly purple/red tint to my AT&T N1 vs. the TMO version I've been using on AT&T's network when compared side-by-side. The TMO version almost seems like it has a yellow tint in comparison, and is certainly warmer as far as color temp goes.
Anyone else here in the forum have both versions and can report on how their screens compare? I'm debating whether it's worth sending this back but would first like to know if there are any AT&T screens that do NOT exhibit this appearance when shown side-by-side with the TMO counterpart.
Please share your experience if you own both or can compare to a friend's!
boygeniusreport.com/2010/03/18/google-nexus-one-for-att-shipping-with-bad-displays/
(sorry for not using hyperlink - forum rules for new users)

I just have the AT&T but I LOVE the screen.
The viewing angle, brightness, color pop are the best ive seen on any phone.

akgrown said:
As reported at BGR, I too have noticed a slightly purple/red tint to my AT&T N1 vs. the TMO version I've been using on AT&T's network when compared side-by-side. The TMO version almost seems like it has a yellow tint in comparison, and is certainly warmer as far as color temp goes.
Anyone else here in the forum have both versions and can report on how their screens compare? I'm debating whether it's worth sending this back but would first like to know if there are any AT&T screens that do NOT exhibit this appearance when shown side-by-side with the TMO counterpart.
Please share your experience if you own both or can compare to a friend's!
boygeniusreport.com/2010/03/18/google-nexus-one-for-att-shipping-with-bad-displays/
(sorry for not using hyperlink - forum rules for new users)
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LOL fricken BGR. Such Apple fanboys, publicizing every single negative rumor (without sources or data of course) they can to make Android look bad.
I like the latest guy's comments:
While I generally enjoy reading the latest rumors and non-news on BGR, I have to say that this post is pretty poor. Besides being terribly written (hard to even tell what the writer’s point is after 1st 3 sentences), it is so incredibly vague on details as to be meaningless. What exactly does “We’ve confirmed that this is happening to more than just our device” mean? Is there some reason the author is withholding this important bit of info? Is it one other device, 5, 20, 50? Give me a break. If you’re going to go about leveling claims like this, at least have _some_ semblance of not being total bs, really now.
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I unsubscribed to BGR in Google Reader months ago after reading this particular piece of /facepalm: http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/01/09/google-android-personal-thoughts/
BGR is nothing but Apple fanboy POS. It's no wonder Marc Flores left to techcrunch.com.

Paul22000 said:
LOL fricken BGR. Such Apple fanboys, publicizing every single negative rumor (without sources or data of course) they can to make Android look bad.
I like the latest guy's comments:
I unsubscribed to BGR in Google Reader months ago after reading this particular piece of /facepalm: http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/01/09/google-android-personal-thoughts/
BGR is nothing but Apple fanboy POS. It's no wonder Marc Flores left to techcrunch.com.
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I've gotta say that while I think he is mistaken on some points, I gotta agree with the feel of the article on that one (the one that made you unsubscribe), and I'm about as anti-Apple as it gets.

Yeah, BGR can be great for product leaks to stay abreast of what's coming down the road, but they can definitely be biased.
It's not the end of the world, and I may not have noticed it if I hadn't put the units side-by-side - just trying to determine if this screen behavior is in the minority and actually a manufacturing defect. I'd be less interested if I hadn't just plunked down $579 ($50 WA sales tax) - you want to get what you pay for!
Mostly I'm just anxious to root this and get CM & the undervolted kernel up and running, like I have on my TMO unit. Don't want to unlock the bootloader though if it's heading back to the GOOG mothership.

wow, that drive me crazy, i have 2 units, the "old" in the left and the atnt in the right:

I got my AT&T N1 yesterday and yes, there is a more noticeable purple hue on its display compared to the 2 month old N1 while on the lowest brightness setting.
Funny thing is, I seem to recall my original N1 having a purple hue on the lowest brightness too, but then that was two months ago. Does the display change over time or am I mistaken?
Either way, I'm not sending the phone back, it's minor.

rotohammer said:
I got my AT&T N1 yesterday and yes, there is a more noticeable purple hue on its display compared to the 2 moth old N1 while on the lowest brightness setting.
Funny thing is, I seem to recall my original N1 having a purple hue on the lowest brightness too, but then that was two months ago. Does the display change over time or am I mistaken?
Either way, I'm not sending the phone back.
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Maybe the Nexus One has to age like a fine wine?

I see the difference but its not serious. Its a matter of opinion really. I like the warmer look of the T-Mo version but that wouldn't stop me from getting the AT&T version. I'd rather have a desire thought. Getting tired of waiting though so we will see.

Got my AT&T N1 on Wednesday. I haven't had any problems with the screen.
The blacks are black and the whites are eye-piercingly white (on max brightness -- just white white on dim/regular brightness).
Maybe bad sets? Maybe they need warming up?
Anyone got a link to a picture that should show purple hues on my screen?

Antioch18 said:
Got my AT&T N1 on Wednesday. I haven't had any problems with the screen.
The blacks are black and the whites are eye-piercingly white (on max brightness -- just white white on dim/regular brightness).
Maybe bad sets? Maybe they need warming up?
Anyone got a link to a picture that should show purple hues on my screen?
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+ one for a picture.
I can't tell a difference on mine, but I don't have a T-Mob one to compare with.

quaa said:
+ one for a picture.
+ one for pic.
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On second thought - maybe I'd rather not see a pic and smash my rose-colored perception of the phone? lol

Don't know if this is the best pic or not, but I find that the reference photos they use on dpreview.com for their camera reviews have a lot of good color references in them:
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a.img-dpreview.com/reviews/NikonD3s/samples/comparedto/boxraw/d3s-DSC_3302-acr.jpg

akgrown said:
Don't know if this is the best pic or not, but I find that the reference photos they use on dpreview.com for their camera reviews have a lot of good color references in them:
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a.img-dpreview.com/reviews/NikonD3s/samples/comparedto/boxraw/d3s-DSC_3302-acr.jpg
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Thank you so much for this. Upon loading this image up on my computer, and then loading it via the phone browser I can confirm that my ATT nexus one's screen is SPOT on for color balance [and I was a little afraid of what I'd find]. This is compared to a highly calibrated monitor used from print ad creation. Kudos HTC
super helpful post, thanks akgrown
be interesting to see what tmobile nexus one users might yeild from a similar test?

liorra3 said:
wow, that drive me crazy, i have 2 units, the "old" in the left and the atnt in the right:
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Try the test image posted in this thread:
a.img-dpreview.com/reviews/NikonD3s/samples/comparedto/boxraw/d3s-DSC_3302-acr.jpg
see which units are "closer" to true color? My ATT unit is spot on with its calibration.

No problem - glad you found it helpful! I'm going to try the same test myself, once I get home, against my calibrated PC monitor.

strongergodzilla said:
My ATT unit is spot on with its calibration.
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As I said, BGR is nothing but a bunch of Apple fanboy garbage spewing out unsubstantiated Android hate for no reason.

Paul22000 said:
As I said, BGR is nothing but a bunch of Apple fanboy garbage spewing out unsubstantiated Android hate for no reason.
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Well, there's still the possibility that some units have a skewed color temp/saturation. I'm hoping my results will align with strongergodzilla's, tho.
Also, the tint is definitely most noticeable at the lowest brightness setting, so it might take a little tweaking of monitor brightness to compare apples to apples. However, if the colors match up at "normal" brightness levels, that's good enough for me.

here you go (from some angles), on the bottom is the atnt:

Actually in the past with the numerous iphones i had, there were many times when SERIAL numbers were passed around about which iphone series had a better screen and so on. Which turned out to be fairly true, it was merely a hardware change or different screen manufacturer source who knows. But i for some reason DOUBT its a quality control problem that me though

Different looking colors on 2 Incredibles?

I've got two incredibles side by side. Both are apparently listed as 'samsung_oled_display' with dmesg.
Right one has a purple tint that is more obvious on low brightness. But colors pop more, more contrast, saturation. On high brightness, whites and blacks look more right.
Left is slightly brighter on equal settings. Has a slight yellowy tint that's more noticeable on high brightness. But nowhere near as obvious as the purple tint.
Any thoughts? What looks more like the typical Incredible display people get?

it looks like maybe some of your LED backlights aren't as bright, or out completely. notice the shadow on the edges of the two sides? i don't notice a difference other than in one of the pictures, though. maybe do a better job taking pictures that aren't as shaky/blurry?

Best I could do, the incredible is my best camera and couldn't use it.
And which picture and which phone are you referring to?
I'm more just wondering why there's such a difference, and which one looks most accurate to what everyone else has?

3rd picture is the one i noticed it on. however, i wouldn't say....with the pictures i have in front of me....that either are too far off from what "everyone else has".
if you're that concerned about it, call VZW.

I had the same problem with a replacement, had to get a new refurb that didn't have a pink screen. Customer service is not aware of the issue, you might have to take it to a store and even the techs might not see it.
Sent from my ADR6300

I did, this is my replacement ha... I'm not going to ask for a third, I'm just deciding which one is more like the rest.
And you don't think either are too far from what others have? Between the two there's a decent variation, Samsung amoled manufacturing just vary that much?

Only the first picture can I see a noticeable difference

I'm aware of people reporting a pinkish tint, but I didn't think its the same, since this comes off as purple to me.
And yea the first picture is the most obvious, but if you just look at the color difference in white,gray,black for the other 3 pictures, you can tell they're different tones/shades.
Honestly the left one is 'warmer' in tone and the right one is 'cooler'. Though right has better contrast and is overly saturated.
I think I'll probably keep the left one even though the right one is hands down amazing looking in full brightness, but looks all purplish in low, which is basically the setting I'll be using the phone most in.

Amoleds don't have background leds, the pixels emt the light themselves, as fat as I know
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patches152 said:
it looks like maybe some of your LED backlights aren't as bright, or out completely. notice the shadow on the edges of the two sides? i don't notice a difference other than in one of the pictures, though. maybe do a better job taking pictures that aren't as shaky/blurry?
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OLED doesnt use backlighting

Just pick the one that is easiest on your eyes. Yes colours will vary differently by batch (not usually by this much but really I can't tell a lot by these pictures). Personally to me overall one doesn't appear as bright as the other, so if they are using the same profiles, I'd take the bright one (but that's just me).

I think you are making a mountain out of mole hill. They both look ok, yes different but acceptable. It's a phone, you are not going to be doing Photoshop or high end video processing. If it bugs you, by all means take it back and ask for an exchange.

Oh I did, that's why I have two
And no I'm not, I can easily ask for a third. But like I said I won't.
I just thought I can get some expert opinions from others, -and- start a discussion.
There was a thread regarding evo's @ i6.photobucket. com/albums/y204/blu3g/002and003.jpg
that got some discussion.

gedster314 said:
I think you are making a mountain out of mole hill. They both look ok, yes different but acceptable. It's a phone, you are not going to be doing Photoshop or high end video processing. If it bugs you, by all means take it back and ask for an exchange.
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They get dimmer over time, so yes the brighter one if in newer condition.
I'd prefer S-LCD to AMOLED anyday just for the fact that I dont have to worry about the screen dimming over time or burning in.

My girlfriends is like that. We both got our phones at the same time last June, same screens. She lost hers, and while her new one is AMOLED it's pinkish. It's only REALLY noticeable when the screen dims.

.... Seriously? You're complaining about a tint... A TINT!!!! the phone still works the same right? my replacement has the purplish tint too but who cares nobodies going to look at and say oh man your phone has a purplish tint what a fag lol

He was just asking a question because like most people on this forum, we are intrigued by how tech works, and we like to ask why do gadgets so the things they do, he wasn't complaining. Everybody who is saying that he needs to stop complaining needs to calm down, this isn't 4 chan. If you don't know why the screens are different colors, then there's no point in you commenting on this thread, especially if its to talk down to somebody under false accusations like some of you are.
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i jsut got a replacement in the mail a week ago and i saw the same differences between my old one and new one. And i've heard of this happening to other people. Here is a thread all about this. I havent taken the time to read it but im sure it has the answer http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=656128
P.S. Garrett, you sound like a real douche

I've seen similar in my phone. I had to turn it in for a replacement and the first thing I noticed when I booted the new phone up was "hey, that white looks more pink than the original phone." Just to make sure I wasn't insane, I showed my wife the new phone and she immediately pops out "hey, that looks pink."
It's not bad enough that it's really a problem, just a little different, and the difference only really pops out at low brightness. I'm not going to re-return over it. At least this one doesn't have the spazzed out and possessed optical joystick that my first Inc did.

Widespread screen defects? Please reply.

Guys as you can see, many started posting concerning some defects of the Note's screen. It's starting to look widespread. Might be wrong tho.
Should we be worried of widespread manufacturing defects? I would hate sending my Note back to Amazon.de even when it hasn't even arrived yet! I hate all the hassle/waiting/delays.
Please only post insightful/informative answers, because I'm starting to get worried and I can ASSURED you I'm not the worrying or nitpicking type so that's says something.
I believe many or some others people are in the same situation as me. Also I got it from Amazon.de so it's EU Model.
Could this be EU model specific "problems"? If it does NOT affect it's performance/reliability and day2day usage I don't even care then..
But I would hate having the screen of a expensive device failing on me after couple months. It's the phones main feature after all and many started complaining about it.

koniakki said:
Guys as you can see, many started posting concerning some defects of the Note's screen. It's starting to look widespread. Might be wrong tho.
Should we be worried of widespread manufacturing defects? I would hate sending my Note back to Amazon.de even when it hasn't even arrived yet! I hate all the hassle/waiting/delays.
Please only post insightful/informative answers, because I'm starting to get worried and I can ASSURED you I'm not the worrying or nitpicking type so that's says something.
I believe many or some others people are in the same situation as me. Also I got it from Amazon.de so it's EU Model.
Could this be EU model specific "problems"? If it does NOT affect it's performance/reliability and day2day usage I don't even care then..
But I would hate having the screen of a expensive device failing on me after couple months. It's the phones main feature after all and many started complaining about it.
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According to my poll, over 83% of the people here who responded think the Note is the best phone ever made. So I think you might be barking up the wrong tree or singing the wrong Note needlessly.

koniakki said:
Guys as you can see, many started posting concerning some defects of the Note's screen. It's starting to look widespread. Might be wrong tho.
Should we be worried of widespread manufacturing defects? I would hate sending my Note back to Amazon.de even when it hasn't even arrived yet! I hate all the hassle/waiting/delays.
Please only post insightful/informative answers, because I'm starting to get worried and I can ASSURED you I'm not the worrying or nitpicking type so that's says something.
I believe many or some others people are in the same situation as me. Also I got it from Amazon.de so it's EU Model.
Could this be EU model specific "problems"? If it does NOT affect it's performance/reliability and day2day usage I don't even care then..
But I would hate having the screen of a expensive device failing on me after couple months. It's the phones main feature after all and many started complaining about it.
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Theres absolutely no problem whatsoever. If you display a full-black picture on the phones display in lightless environment you can see the OLED display emits a little bit of light (like 1/1000 of the best LCDs I've seen). Also you might spot few black spots when looking at the screen with your perhiperal vision. So yea... huge problems!
Your never ever going to see these "problems" in normal usage scenarios. Some people just like to make practically non-existing problems into huge "dealbreaker" situations.

Gaugerer said:
According to my poll, over 83% of the people here who responded think the Note is the best phone ever made. So I think you might be barking up the wrong tree.
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Did I say otherwise? That is NOT great phone? Best is subjective to each one needs and opinion. But for me it's the BEST phone for what I want and look after. That's WHY I order it.
Don't take this the wrong way but that's your opinion of insightful/informative answer? Please don't answer. Just think about it.
I did not ask if it's good/best phone or if you like it. I ordered it for the same reasons like almost all here.
I believe my post is very clear of what it's about.
I asked about the display/screen issues some are having. So please next time answer more appropriate and talk about the display/screen "issues" and not about trees and barking and whatever you wan't to talk about.
P.S: See what I had write now? I hate to write such comments/posts. There's no need for them I believe.
A more appropriate answer like: No it's not widespread. I just isolated case or something or whatever, would have been much preferred. Thank you.

koniakki said:
Did I say otherwise? That is NOT great phone? Best is subjective to each one needs and opinion. But for me it's the BEST phone for what I want and look after. That's WHY I order it.
Don't take this the wrong way but that's your opinion of insightful/informative answer? Please don't answer. Just think about it.
I did not ask if it's good/best phone or if you like it. I ordered it for the same reasons like almost all here.
I believe my post is very clear of what it's about.
I asked about the display/screen issues some are having. So please next time answer more appropriate and talk about the display/screen "issues" and not about trees and barking and whatever you wan't to talk about.
P.S: See what I had write now? I hate to write such comments/posts. There's no need for them I believe.
A more appropriate answer like: No it's not widespread. I just isolated case or something or whatever, would have been much preferred. Thank you.
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I apologise if I have offended you by the manner in which I replied. I was not trying to be patronising but just trying to reassure you and that you might be worried unnecessarily.

lehto said:
Theres absolutely no problem whatsoever. If you display a full-black picture on the phones display in lightless environment you can see the OLED display emits a little bit of light (like 1/1000 of the best LCDs I've seen). Also you might spot few black spots when looking at the screen with your perhiperal vision. So yea... huge problems!
Your never ever going to see these "problems" in normal usage scenarios. Some people just like to make practically non-existing problems into huge "dealbreaker" situations.
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I know. As I said I'm not the nitpicking type. I will never turn the brightness to a 100%(had it at the lowest on my SGS2) and wont stare a full-black picture in lightless environment for no apparent reason obviously.
The thing that got me worried was those black spots to be honest. So reliability is a great concern for me.
And thanks for the reply. I really appreciate it.

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I apologise if I have offended you by the manner in which I replied. I was not trying to be patronising but just trying to reassure you that you might be worried unnecessarily.
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None taken. I apologize for my saying also. We are all part of a great community here. And also a part of a bigger one too. Yes, XDA Community.

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None taken. I apologize for my saying also. We are all part of a great community here. And also a part of a bigger one too. Yes, XDA Community.
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We all are XDA-Brothers & Sisters !

Spots before your eyes dept.
There seem to be a couple of cases of defective screens, but a huge amount of opinion about the qualities of Pentile screens. The only thing I can notice with a magnifying glass, is that white text on a black background seems to have a fuzzy red edge to it. Black text on a white background is sharp.
Links that shed light on the matter:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...D---is-the-PenTile-matrix-bad-for-you_id23134
http://www.nouvoyance.com/technology.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active-matrix_OLED
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile_matrix_family
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_light-emitting_diode#Advantages

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What about married members? Or members dating? Is that even legal?

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There seem to be a couple of cases of defective screens, but a huge amount of opinion about the qualities of Pentile screens. The only thing I can notice with a magnifying glass, is that white text on a black background seems to have a fuzzy red edge to it. Black text on a white background is sharp.
Links that shed light on the matter:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...D---is-the-PenTile-matrix-bad-for-you_id23134
http://www.nouvoyance.com/technology.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active-matrix_OLED
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile_matrix_family
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_light-emitting_diode#Advantages
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Excellent read Xaddict. Thanks for taking the time to post them. It would be useful for future viewers that might find this thread. I know a bit about the PenTile and amoled technology...
My concern are the black spots. I know some SGS2 screens have them. I did not notice them when I checked it on my SGS2. So are those black spots are anything to worry about? Are they inside the margin of error or something?
And my final question. Do they affect the screen's reliability in any way?

koniakki said:
Excellent read Xaddict. Thanks for taking the time to post them. It would be useful for future viewers that might find this thread. I know a bit about the PenTile and amoled technology...
My concern are the black spots. I know some SGS2 screens have them. I did not notice them when I checked it on my SGS2. So are those black spots are anything to worry about? Are they inside the margin of error or something?
And my final question. Do they affect the screen's reliability in any way?
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Can't comment on black spots as I have not seen them.
Compared to my HD2, the Note has blacks that are black as the ace of spades on a dark night, vivid colours and sharp detail(unless viewed with a magnifying glass), and no spots.
Not sure of differences between SAMOLED Pentile and OLED Monitors but Sony are releasing a new range of OLED Broadcast monitors that sell from $10,000-$30,000. They are replacing LCD and CRT's in the broadcast industry.
To quote phonearena.com "To wrap it up we'd say that the fears about PenTile appear hugely overblown when it comes to the new HD Super AMOLED technology, which delivers higher pixel density."

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Theres absolutely no problem whatsoever. If you display a full-black picture on the phones display in lightless environment you can see the OLED display emits a little bit of light (like 1/1000 of the best LCDs I've seen). Also you might spot few black spots when looking at the screen with your perhiperal vision. So yea... huge problems!
Your never ever going to see these "problems" in normal usage scenarios. Some people just like to make practically non-existing problems into huge "dealbreaker" situations.
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It seems like some people are so obsessed with 'perfection' in their ever evolving cutting edge gadgets that at some point the manufacturers are going to need start binning their devices, selling a velvet glove hand inspected version for say 50% more, or start trashing the majority of new screens/devices due to perceived imperfections thus driving the prices through the roof, unfortunately though these scenarios wouldn't satisfy the majority of the perfectionsts (reading some comments it makes me wonder what the writers are like to deal with in real life, how they would like being held to account at such a nitpicking and unrealistic standard) as everyone wants their cutting edge gadgets to be minimally priced as well.
Think about it for a minute, we are basically packing around the equivalent of a cutting edge laptop from a few years ago in our pockets, what happened to the excitement of being part of the technological cutting edge? Enjoy your gadget while you have it, you'll be replacing it soon enough anyways with something new that is flawed somehow but much more awesome.

I remember a similar controversy that was being peddled when the HTC HD2 came out. If you viewed the screen with sunlight reflecting off it at a 45 degree angle, you could see the etched pattern of the capacitive touchscreen grid. I hardly ever noticed it and when I did it made no difference to the quality of the phone's screen, but some held that it was a defective design.

Well I have seen on a couple of S2s and Notes some dark marks in the background. Best visible to me when looking on a grey background with low brightness setting.
Eg. Maps.
I am not too worried about this, since with increasing brightness it gets much better.
Since I checked a couple of stores and always found it, I believe it is a common issue. Might be worse or better from phone to phone, but always there.

Thank you all for your replies. Greatly appreciated.
So, to answer my own concerns based on your replies: No, is not an issue at all. Well, so far atleast, since it's a new device not many users if any, used it for longer perioed(3-6months).
Let's hope it's all good when it arrives in a couple days. If anything with the phone I will post to the appropriate threads. Thanks again.

This is a general statement and not a direct first hand account of my experiences with the SGN.
The human brain has the ability to ignore small issues or lack of information. For example, you can listen to a conversation with your date at a restaurant even with a lot of background noise. You can look at an image for a split second and be able to make out what the picture was even if you only saw part of it. Tiny issues with the display may not even register.
However, if you are looking for issues you will find them. Also you are far more likely to be bothered by an issue once it is pointed out to you. Sometimes ignorance is bliss. If someone tells you looking at the screen in very specific circumstances will result in a visual artifact, you will tend to always notice it. I am not saying we should not share this information and just unquestioningly accept what we are given. Just be careful what road you go down. Somethings cannot be unseen!
I recently looked up a review of my monitor for my computer and noticed people were complaining about ghosting in some games. I had not noticed it before I read that review, however guess what I always notice when playing games now?
PS. Want to sell a 24" Asus LED LCD.

The OP asked if these marks are an indication of reduced reliability of the screens, i.e. they're defective so they're going to fail sooner. To answer, I don't think there's enough history/data for anybody to answer that question with certainty yet, but I've seen the same marks on my Nexus One AMOLED screen and the GSII AMOLED screen, so I'd venture to say no, reliability is not likely to be negatively affected.

Pops_G said:
....Sometimes ignorance is bliss....
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The bold part is one of the best advices and can apply to many aspects in life as on hardware.
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PS. Want to sell a 24" Asus LED LCD.
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Interested to get that "faulty" ghosting led lcd out of your hands. Price please?
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The OP asked if these marks are an indication of reduced reliability of the screens, i.e. they're defective so they're going to fail sooner. To answer, I don't think there's enough history/data for anybody to answer that question with certainty yet, but I've seen the same marks on my Nexus One AMOLED screen and the GSII AMOLED screen, so I'd venture to say no, reliability is not likely to be negatively affected.
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Thank you maxh. I agree with you. I said it also that is too early to tell, but the reason I made this whole thread is so someone with some engineering expertises would reply to ease my concerns.
But it seems that is not a reliability issue from all the replies, even if I believe none of us is professionally certified to answer that. Time will tell.
In the meantime let's all enjoy our humongous SGS2 on steroids!

Colour depth
I am having doubts that the screen on the Note is 16M / 24bit colour depth.
GSMArena states the colour depth is 16M.
This is a link to a website with a 24bit png gradient and an explanation of screen bit depth: Gradient
Looking at it on the note, there is banding characteristic of 16bit, which doesn't show up on my pc's screen.
I tried png & jpg gradients i made in photoshop and all had banding on the Note.
Oh well, what was I expecting on a handset?
I guess GSMArena got my hopes up.

Screen has a yellow tint

I know that no one waiting for their phone wants to see a thread like this, but I got my phone today from moto and noticed that the screen has a yellow tint to it. It isn't quite as bad when it is turned all the way up, but I don't think most of us use the phone day to day at 100% brightness. The attached picture is the N6 next to my OPO. I was just curious if anyone that got theirs today noticed the same thing.

RMA

A more ironic comparison could never have been made. LOL!

mk92595 said:
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I have a feeling that will ultimately be necessary. It just sucks because I REALLY don't feel like dealing with the hassle.

Thats the only benefit of Google Play.
You got your phone first but if I have to RMA (If I ever get the phone) they will send me a replacement first.

Woah the opo looks bright compared to the nexus 6. Let's wait until more of us get it before deciding to rma.
One thing is moto will do advanced rma so it won't take 2 months to return it like it did for my opo.
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just looks like a warm display vs a cooler display...as in color temps. I dont see any problem with it in fact 1+1 looks too "cool" for my tastes.

Hope this isn't by design. With LCDs, this could be a bad backlight. Color temp isn't controlled by a backlight with AMOLED, though, so I'm not sure how this could be a hardware problem. More than one phone has been released where manufacturers tried the "warm" color temp route before customers complained and they patched a cooler temp. Even iPhone went through it.

selayan said:
Woah the opo looks bright compared to the nexus 6. Let's wait until more of us get it before deciding to rma.
One thing is moto will do advanced rma so it won't take 2 months to return it like it did for my opo.
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I will def wait a few days and give more people a chance to get it before doing anything. And thank god for companies better than OnePlus. Well..at least better at RMA...I wouldn't say that this "launch" was much less frustrating than theirs.
rdmetz said:
just looks like a warm display vs a cooler display...as in color temps. I dont see any problem with it in fact 1+1 looks too "cool" for my tastes.
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That is what I am leaning towards. Just wanted to give everyone a heads up to keep an eye out for it and also see what you all thought.

bholyk said:
I will def wait a few days and give more people a chance to get it before doing anything. And thank god for companies better than OnePlus. Well..at least better at RMA...I wouldn't say that this "launch" was much less frustrating than theirs.
That is what I am leaning towards. Just wanted to give everyone a heads up to keep an eye out for it and also see what you all thought.
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Most people prefer a cooler display. If it's just the color profile, it'll be fixed by someone in a matter of days. The plus of an open phone.

elkay said:
The plus of an open phone.
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Amen to that

rdmetz said:
just looks like a warm display vs a cooler display...as in color temps. I dont see any problem with it in fact 1+1 looks too "cool" for my tastes.
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I think this is right. It looks like "normal" vs "cool" display modes on my S4. I stuck with "normal".
I am sure people will come out with apps to change it, like my S4. Might have to be root/built-in custom ROM feature, though.

I mentioned this over the weekend that the nexus 6 a warmer tuned color temp to it when I compared it to my opo and g3 at the tmo store. Looks like it might be pretty prevalent.

Tsukasa Buddha said:
I think this is right. It looks like "normal" vs "cool" display modes on my S4. I stuck with "normal".
I am sure people will come out with apps to change it, like my S4. Might have to be root/built-in custom ROM feature, though.
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It's usually done at the kernel level, but could be made to be adjusted outside of hardcoded settings if coded to do so.

rdmetz said:
just looks like a warm display vs a cooler display...as in color temps. I dont see any problem with it in fact 1+1 looks too "cool" for my tastes.
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Agreed. Looks like the N6 is more color accurate and the 1plus1 looks blue

djkinetic said:
I mentioned this over the weekend that the nexus 6 a warmer tuned color temp to it when I compared it to my opo and g3 at the tmo store. Looks like it might be pretty prevalent.
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I must have missed that post. Hopefully if most people don't like it Google with make it cooler in a future update or maybe my eyes just need to get used to more accurate color temps.

bholyk said:
I know that no one waiting for their phone wants to see a thread like this, but I got my phone today from moto and noticed that the screen has a yellow tint to it. It isn't quite as bad when it is turned all the way up, but I don't think most of us use the phone day to day at 100% brightness. The attached picture is the N6 next to my OPO. I was just curious if anyone that got theirs today noticed the same thing.
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Could this be the digitizer adhesive issue we've seen before from the first phones right off the manufacturing line? Basically it's where the glue behind the screen has not fully had time to dry and go completely clear. It happened with iPhone 4s and 5 launches, HTC, Moto X, and others. It usually goes away over time, but people often get replacements anyway. Since that may be hard to do this instant, I'd say give it a week or two.

bholyk said:
I must have missed that post. Hopefully if most people don't like it Google with make it cooler in a future update or maybe my eyes just need to get used to more accurate color temps.
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They went through this with the Nexus 4. It'll be taken care of.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nexus4displaycontrol

hitzand said:
Could this be the digitizer adhesive issue we've seen before from the first phones right off the manufacturing line? Basically it's where the glue behind the screen has not fully had time to dry and go completely clear. It happened with iPhone 4s and 5 launches, HTC, Moto X, and others. It usually goes away over time, but people often get replacements anyway. Since that may be hard to do this instant, I'd say give it a week or two.
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I was thinking the same thing but when I read about it online it said that most of the time if it is a glue issue then the yellowing is more splotchy and not an even full screen distribution. But either way I will give it some time to see what happens

elkay said:
They went through this with the Nexus 4. It'll be taken care of.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nexus4displaycontrol
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Good to know, thanks

complainers will be complainers

I recently got the pixel 2 Xl. I love it, it's better than the Nexus 6p that I had. I haven't noticed any of the issues that people have been mentioning. My theory is people complain about the smallest things and they will continue to complain even if they switch to a different phone. They will always find something wrong to complain about. I think a lot of the noise is fake news from people that are promoting other devices. Give the phone a try if you like it keep it if you don't return it. The sound is good and I don't notice any screen burn-in.

Or the quality varies between devices!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Probably more likely than fake news from device shills

Have you considered that it is possible that there is device-to-device variability? I mean several posters have put up side-by-side images of 2 different P2XL's that clearly showed one was very blue and the other wasn't. Lucky you that you got a good one but you should assume that just because your's is good that they all are.

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Have you considered that it is possible that there is device-to-device variability? I mean several posters have put up side-by-side images of 2 different P2XL's that clearly showed one was very blue and the other wasn't. Lucky you that you got a good one but you should assume that just because your's is good that they all are.
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Nope. His device is fine which means everything else is #fakenews.

Haha...of course! What was I thinking!!!

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I recently got the pixel 2 Xl. I love it, it's better than the Nexus 6p that I had. I haven't noticed any of the issues that people have been mentioning. My theory is people complain about the smallest things and they will continue to complain even if they switch to a different phone. They will always find something wrong to complain about. I think a lot of the noise is fake news from people that are promoting other devices. Give the phone a try if you like it keep it if you don't return it. The sound is good and I don't notice any screen burn-in.
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Look at all the pics in another P2XL thread here with pictures of exact same models, and they vary in how blue their tint is.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-2-xl/help/screen-issue-blue-shift-real-unlucky-t3696638
Mine is fffn perfect, but a large number of other buyers have the tint big time. This is not fake news or whiners.

ProAm500 said:
Nope. His device is fine which means everything else is #fakenews.
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Isn't that the rules on the internet?

RiffyDivine said:
Isn't that the rules on the internet?
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MY REALITY IS FINE, SO EVERYTHING ELSE IS FAKE N00Z! But seriously, I think its pretty evident at this point that there are variations in the severity of the "blue shift". I've been keeping my eye on this.

I have the blue tint issue. It's not that bad. Google has expanded the warranty if I don't like it I can return it. If this is the only thing wrong with the phone I will be happy with it. Poke the internet and it pokes back. I more put this comment out so I didn't have to search all the forums to find all the issues. I figured people would rant about my post and post the issues. It's working Thanks for sharing.

There are legitimate issues here, screen burn in I would rate as chief among them. But they are being blown waaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion. They do this for every device that comes out. Coming up with umpteen reasons why "x" device has the worst "y" component in smartphone history.
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Use a black theme, holy **** people, no more blue tint, and no burn in. I'm so sick of every other thread talking about the blue tint. Get rid of the phone, get something else and leave if you can't handle the "screen issues"

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There are legitimate issues here, screen burn in I would rate as chief among them. But they are being blown waaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion. They do this for every device that comes out. Coming up with umpteen reasons why "x" device has the worst "y" component in smartphone history.
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my s7 edge has blue shift at very extreme angles but my new P2XL has it straight on at 0degrees. It's defective for sure. Going back as no matter what google lies about the screen issues, this shouldn't be this blue! Also for future reference, Google chat is refusing to RMA blue screen problems but if you call in they'll replace it.
Oh yeah btw the guy on the phone was linked to one of the pages on this site showing side by side comparisons and stated "Yeah it's not supposed to be like that, not that blue"
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Lawlrus said:
Use a black theme, holy **** people, no more blue tint, and no burn in. I'm so sick of every other thread talking about the blue tint. Get rid of the phone, get something else and leave if you can't handle the "screen issues"
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If you don't want to hear about it stay out of the blue shift and screen issues threads. Simple as that. My screen is blue when looking straight on. Looks like hell, no I will not change all sorts of settings and/or switch to different theme just to 'HIDE' the defect with my device. Is it too much to ask for a non defective device for a $100 phone let alone a $1,000 phone! Btw mine is going back but for another one with agood acceptable screen. Congrats you got a good one right off the bat, I and a bunch of others here weren't so lucky!

@whyme45125
Pretty hard when more than half the threads on here are crying about it. Don't like the blue shift? Get a different phone stop sending it back. Get a refund and leave, or would it not sit well you have nothing to compalin about then?
Bunch of highschool girls

Lawlrus said:
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Pretty hard when more than half the threads on here are crying about it. Don't like the blue shift? Get a different phone stop sending it back. Get a refund and leave, or would it not sit well you have nothing to compalin about then?
Bunch of highschool girls
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so then there's a legitimate reason for the complaints then if it's more than half of us! TROLL - ignored.

whyme45125 said:
so then there's a legitimate reason for the complaints then if it's more than half of us! TROLL
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Trolling? Do you see how many posts I have? You think a troll account would last this long?
It's pretty simple. If it's a legitimate issue, then stop getting pixel 2's and get something else.

Lawlrus said:
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Pretty hard when more than half the threads on here are crying about it. Don't like the blue shift? Get a different phone stop sending it back. Get a refund and leave, or would it not sit well you have nothing to compalin about then?
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So much yes.

Key advice on the internet: Don't feed the trolls

I have no doubt that there are problems. That said, people bailed before they ever got their phone simply based on strangers reports.
I do find the Note 8 is brighter with more vivid colors. That said, I've done quite a few TV calibrations and my Pixel 2 XL is closer to realistic colors than the Note 8. Samsung oversaturates colors and kicks the brightness way up to make their screens pop. They are not realistic representations of a calibrated display. Many have just gotten used to the inaccurate displays of other phones. Just my opinion.

Mike02z said:
I have no doubt that there are problems. That said, people bailed before they ever got their phone simply based on strangers reports.
I do find the Note 8 is brighter with more vivid colors. That said, I've done quite a few TV calibrations and my Pixel 2 XL is closer to realistic colors than the Note 8. Samsung oversaturates colors and kicks the brightness way up to make their screens pop. They are not realistic representations of a calibrated display. Many have just gotten used to the inaccurate displays of other phones. Just my opinion.
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Agreed the colors represented are the closest phone I've seen to my calibrated tv. That being said the blue shift is the killer for me and a lot of others here, not the color accuracy that keeps being brought up(we all know that's a software fix for those samsung supersaturation lovers), but I am getting another one since I love this phone so much and feel it's an amazing device besides the screen problem on mine.

pknath19 said:
I recently got the pixel 2 Xl. I love it, it's better than the Nexus 6p that I had. I haven't noticed any of the issues that people have been mentioning. My theory is people complain about the smallest things and they will continue to complain even if they switch to a different phone. They will always find something wrong to complain about. I think a lot of the noise is fake news from people that are promoting other devices. Give the phone a try if you like it keep it if you don't return it. The sound is good and I don't notice any screen burn-in.
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Definitely not fake news. Mine looks nothing like the ones on display at Verizon near me. I took a picture of mine while waiting in the Google Support chat queue tonight. It's definitely not good on my unit.