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Acer 510: To keep or not to keep? A "heated" question

Update on 5/16:
Not having the heat spikes like I was. Keeping the 510 due to superior battery life and file drivers that work great with all third party apps. Also, being able to power and use my 1tb NTSF drive while watching 1080p mkv movies and not worry about battery life is nice.
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Kind of torn here, as far as what to do. IMO, the A510 for the price, performance and features beats the other current options (Excite 305 too) for a "total" tablet perspective, but the design (or lack of) for heat displacement is the catch. Since the update, the A510 seems to not get as hot (relative statement), but that could be me trying to justify keeping the A510 (I really like it).
1. If browsing or watching video, the right side gets warm, but not hot. That said, it gets warmer than the other current Tegra 3 devices. This is really ironic since the Prime and its metal should feel more hot. This suggests the A510 is getting a lot hotter inside.
2. If playing games that use the GPU a lot, the right side gets hot to the point of not being fun to hold.
3. If using wifi while playing a game- DANG, it gets even hotter.
I still have over 30 days to mess with the A510 (silver BB member), but I can not see how software will fix the issue, unless they throttle the device, so performance would be hit. Seems this could be a hardware issue and perhaps as significant a design goof as Asus with the Prime radios.
Added: Even more ironic since sold my Thive. I have an iPad 3 as well, but like having both and prefer Android between the two (game emulators, drag and drop (no iTunes) and Flash are main reasons).
Update: Here is an exmaple of why I am conflicted. I agree with this review, but think their opinion of the display is too low (it looks real good to me). Key point is the amazing battery life:
http://www.digitalversus.com/tablet/acer-iconia-tab-a510-p12812/test.html

I am in the keep category. I do notice warmth, but nothing more than my laptop or chromebook do. My prime didn't have that issue, but it came with its own suitcase of baggage.
I'm going to try to tax it later and use our thermometer to see how hot I can get it. Not a super scientific device but it should give me an idea. I for one would like to see ya stick around.
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I unfortunately only had a week to return my A510 and I decided to do it. It is a great device, but the heat issue was very bothersome, especially because my little guy loves to play 3D games.
If you have 30 days to return this, just enjoy the A510 as long as you can and hopefully you will have more certainty on release dates and pricing for the A700 (I know, it could be hot as well) and Infinity Pad before the end of the period. There is also the the upcoming Galaxy Note 10.1 which is supposed to be quad core.

Before I bought A510 I was waiting for the Asus TF300T. I would have gone for the Asus TF201 if there wasn't an abundance of complaints about wifi reception and screen bleeding (considering the price of the device I think the risk was too high).
Watching reviews on youtube made me change my mind so instead of the Asus TF300T I went for the Acer A510 and I don't regret it.
My experience after 2 weeks of use:
Heat: The device gets warm sometimes, but that doesn't worry me much. Comes in spikes sometimes. When playing Dungeon Defender (which uses the Unreal Engine) it was most noticable.
Sound: Great thanks to Dolby. Good stereo separation.
Screen: I find the colder colors of the screen more appealing compared to the IPS screens in the Asus Transformer series. Viewing angles are nice. I only notice a bit of discoloring at extreme viewing angles where whites turn yellowish.
Stability: Had some issues that only appear after certain actions (I suspect warm boots or app updates or a combination of those) and they disappeared after cold boot (using the reset button). So I think it's software related.
Wifi: Getting 30 ~ 40 Mbit/s up and down and a ping as low as 6 ms to the speedtest server from a distance of 3 m from my router (unobstructed). Speed drops to 25 ~ 30 Mbit/s up and down with a ping as low as 14 ms (usually a bit higher) from 12 m with 2 walls in between. (note: this in an environment where the 2,4 GHz band is quite crowded)
Battery life: I think it's good. I got a 10% drop after watching 70 minutes of 720p content streaming over Wifi with the screen on 50% or 75% brightness (I don't remember it exactly) and this was only on the first or second charge.
My conclusion is that it's definately a keeper, especially when it comes to sound, wifi and battery life.

I agree the A510 leans to being a keeper, but need to understand the heat issue better.

The only thing I can think of when graphics processors get really hot is when rendering is not v-sync'ed or framerate locked.
I saw post about a combination of using wifi and 3D graphics that heats the device up. Maybe because AES encryption/decryption takes some processing power? (just a wild guess) You can it with an unprotected wifi connection and see if there's any difference.

There does appear to be two levels of heat:
Hot = 3D gpu function
Real hot = wifi and 3d gpu at same time.
In comparison, the 300 and Prime do not exhibit the heat issues (but both weaker options for me than A510). If any device should get hot, it would be the same Tegra 3 metal backed Prime. It feels (literally) like Acer made zero effort for heat dissipation in the A510 design.
If this lack of design is correct, the A700 will add two new levels of hot. Testing more, but seems it is what it is- a foe in the summer, but friend in the winter
Added: In spite of also being thin and metal like the Prime, the Toshiba Excite does not get hot either and this is pointed out in the video review at the end- the A510 is mentioned as toasty and the Excite as cool during tests. Catch is about three hours less battery life.

I'm keeping mine, even though I got my a510 to heat up to the point where I get a black and locks up twice. But that's after I was messing with alot of tegra 3 games. I used to have a Asus transformer for a month and I hated it, its problems outweigh the a510 heating issue.
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My theory is Acer decided on using the space for more battery and less or no heat dissipation. Perhaps the battery module (the frame or case of it) is being used for dissipation (not the best of ideas).
That would explain why the A510 gets very hot and the other Tegra 3 devices barely get warm.

Strange that I can not replicate the heat spikes I was having. It can still get real warm, but not hot like it was a few times.

I wish I knew what people were doing with their a510.
I have never experienced any issues like that mentioned here
nor anywhere else.
Yeah I notice a warm spot, but I have 4 year old laptops that get hotter.
One time since I got it, it wouldn't wake up. I just held the power button, solved.
GPS, perfect. WIFI, perfect. SPEED, perfect. Feel is solid. Glass feels sexy.
My only real complaint, the proprietary micro port....

N10 gets hot gaming

I'm sure its common but wanna ask others. If I game for a good 15 minutes..this guy heats up real good. Its pretty dam hot but only at like the top...probably where the CPU is. Anyone else?

chugger93 said:
I'm sure its common but wanna ask others. If I game for a good 15 minutes..this guy heats up real good. Its pretty dam hot but only at like the top...probably where the CPU is. Anyone else?
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Yup, about the top left... Just prolonged use in general it warms up..

It's the most powerful chipset at this time, clocked at 1.7 Ghz - not really suprising that it gets hot.

crazyjoezx said:
Yup, about the top left... Just prolonged use in general it warms up..
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It's it uncomfortable or just noticable?

I haven't noticed it while gaming. I only noticed if I actually grip the tablet at the top by the camera.
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Zephyrblade said:
It's it uncomfortable or just noticable?
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Well just got done playing NFS for about 2 hours and its pretty damn hot...can almost pin point it just to the right of the vol up rocker...its not noticeable while holding it BC its so high up...wonder if the purposely put it away somewhere people would put their hands ..... I also noticed the hotter it got the more the game lagged, could be quincedence but it does make sense...

This is where it gets hot: http://www.powerbookmedic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/nexus10-takeapart-007.jpg
Note the two heatspreaders at the top.
http://www.powerbookmedic.com/wordpress/2012/11/16/google-nexus-10-take-apart-first-look

http://www.powerbookmedic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/nexus10-motherboard.jpg
Yup! Its the CPU for sure! That's exactly where the heat is coming from on mine

Mine gets hot enough to make the whole back a little warm after a while. Unfortunately, as one might expect, it does get a little "crashy" when it's hot. Anyone else getting that too? I've been playing games from the Humble Bundle such as Machinarium and Eufloria, and they are prone to force close once the heat builds up. Say 45 mins. No fc dialogue box though; just crashes to home screen.
I'm impressed with 2 hours of Need for Speed... not just the tablet's endurance but your thumbs. =)

Yeah mine gets warm as anything does when being pushed for long periods of time. Nothing uncomfortable though - warms my hands nicely when its getting colder!

I don't know why people are surprised by heat coming from a high-performance CPU/GPU.
Just because it's a mobile processor, that doesn't mean the laws of physics are going to be suspended.

Does this kind of stuff happen on the iPad or Android tablets like the Infinity too?

jdatb said:
Does this kind of stuff happen on the iPad or Android tablets like the Infinity too?
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A few people confirmed that the iPad was actually hotter in some cases... not sure about the Infinity.

It's a fair point; for the record I'm not surprised about a little heat.
I'm surprised that my Transformer Prime is outperforming it in these games with no heat and no crashes.

I have the infinity too, and it gets kinda hot, but not like the N10. Maybe I dont notice it though too much because it seems like a general hotness throughout the whole back. It's not just pinpointed to the top like the N10. Ah well

xvsacme said:
I'm surprised that my Transformer Prime is outperforming it in these games with no heat and no crashes.
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Doubtful considering that my Nexus 7 was a turd in gaming compared to Galaxy Note 10.1 Exynos 4412 and Nexus 10 Exynos 5250 is even faster. If anything all I see are a lot of comments for popular games on Google Play regarding Asus Transformer series (TF201, TF300, TF700) not working or has performance issues when it's fine on other non-Asus Transformer series tablets.

Mine gets warm like everyone else's but I'll take that over the laggyness from my TF700.

My nexus 10 got really hot while video chatting through google talk yesterday.

Mine get hot but not to a point that its uncomfortable when I put my hand on it. I am glad its on the top rear though as I dont touch that side ever when I'm using the tablet. My prime and tf700 doesnt have a faster gpu and plus the aluminum back does a great job dissipating heat compared to the n10 which is mostly plastic back. I love gaming on this device.
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Slow gaming compared to Samsung Galaxy S6

To be honest I'm a little underwhelmed with the gaming speed of the XZ.
I only play one game, its a game in KIK called Galatronvs which is a basic Shootemup.
And to be honest , it is REALLY LAGGY on the XZ compared to the S6......The S6 stays smooth , doesn't judder, doesn't pause, doesn't jump.
All these things happen on the XZ as the game gets busier and there are more bullets and ships on the screen..ultimately i die because its becomes a slide show.
After reading all the articles about the Snapdragon 820 and the Adreno 530 I feel more than a little bit down that my two year old S6 with an Inhouse Mali-T760MP8 outperforms it.
Don't get me wrong, in day to day use it's a dream to use..I don't know what it is about Samsung that their hardware is so good but it translates so badly on software that using the phone feels like work rather than fun, even Swiftkey runs like crap on the Samsung.
I haven't tried any other phones yet, but my friend has just gotten a Google Pixel XL and he's going to let me install Kik and have a 30 minute game next week.
If it lags as well, I'd have to say either the Adreno 530 isn't all that good, or the game is terribly optimised.
Either way , at the moment I'm underwhelmed by my Platinum flagship phone gaming experience.

batfink1 said:
To be honest I'm a little underwhelmed with the gaming speed of the XZ.
I only play one game, its a game in KIK called Galatronvs which is a basic Shootemup.
And to be honest , it is REALLY LAGGY on the XZ compared to the S6......The S6 stays smooth , doesn't judder, doesn't pause, doesn't jump.
All these things happen on the XZ as the game gets busier and there are more bullets and ships on the screen..ultimately i die because its becomes a slide show.
After reading all the articles about the Snapdragon 820 and the Adreno 530 I feel more than a little bit down that my two year old S6 with an Inhouse Mali-T760MP8 outperforms it.
Don't get me wrong, in day to day use it's a dream to use..I don't know what it is about Samsung that their hardware is so good but it translates so badly on software that using the phone feels like work rather than fun, even Swiftkey runs like crap on the Samsung.
I haven't tried any other phones yet, but my friend has just gotten a Google Pixel XL and he's going to let me install Kik and have a 30 minute game next week.
If it lags as well, I'd have to say either the Adreno 530 isn't all that good, or the game is terribly optimised.
Either way , at the moment I'm underwhelmed by my Platinum flagship phone gaming experience.
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Your problem is very strange. I have xperia xz and i don't have laggy game xperience. The games goes smooth really. What games did you try? Or you play with stamina active?

djgigi94 said:
Your problem is very strange. I have xperia xz and i don't have laggy game xperience. The games goes smooth really. What games did you try? Or you play with stamina active?
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I really only play the one game called Galatronvs via the instant messaging app KIK.
my phone is unlocked,rooted and still on MM 39.0.A.3.30 because i want to still use Xposed Framework.
I don't use any stamina settings at all , they are always turned off, nor do i use any power saving apps such as greenify.
I don't even use a kernal control program that will let you route more processes into a single core thus saving battery.
Bluntly put, the phone is running at full speed with no power saving.
I would imagine unless you've moved from a different phone to your XZ and play the same games you wouldn't notice the difference..Also it would very much depend on the kind of game.
Any game thats not already pushing the old phone isn't going to show any difference on the XZ is it.
Galatron is an upwards scrolling shootemup that gets increasingly more difficult, more bullets , more ships ...thats when you notice the difference ..only when it really starts to get busy.
So i dunno, Guess I'll have more of an idea when i try the Pixel XL with the 821 and the Adreno 530...Though technically the 821 isn't supposed to impact gaming, just multitasking , better power usage etc.
I'll be spewin bickies if its much better , I really don't want the Pixel..it's a little too small and the XL is a little too big :laugh: ... And i hate using a phone without Xposed which i can't do with N

batfink1 said:
I really only play the one game called Galatronvs via the instant messaging app KIK.
my phone is unlocked,rooted and still on MM 39.0.A.3.30 because i want to still use Xposed Framework.
I don't use any stamina settings at all , they are always turned off, nor do i use any power saving apps such as greenify.
I don't even use a kernal control program that will let you route more processes into a single core thus saving battery.
Bluntly put, the phone is running at full speed with no power saving.
I would imagine unless you've moved from a different phone to your XZ and play the same games you wouldn't notice the difference..Also it would very much depend on the kind of game.
Any game thats not already pushing the old phone isn't going to show any difference on the XZ is it.
Galatron is an upwards scrolling shootemup that gets increasingly more difficult, more bullets , more ships ...thats when you notice the difference ..only when it really starts to get busy.
So i dunno, Guess I'll have more of an idea when i try the Pixel XL with the 821 and the Adreno 530...Though technically the 821 isn't supposed to impact gaming, just multitasking , better power usage etc.
I'll be spewin bickies if its much better , I really don't want the Pixel..it's a little too small and the XL is a little too big :laugh: ... And i hate using a phone without Xposed which i can't do with N
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I compared the games with mate 9 for example,i think it is more fluid than mate 9. I ONLY use for games android N ,because android N on xz is much better than M in overall (battery and performace in particular). I think your version of firmware is the less optimized and old. What do you use xposed in particular? I have z2 and there i use often xposed. But on xz i stay so good with android n and latest firmware. And i don't care actually for root and xposed. Is fully stock.

I think you might be experiencing the same thing as me. This happens on all of the Xperia devices I've owned (Z2 Tablet, Z3, Z3C, and Z5.). My XZ is on order, and I'll be sure to test this again. Yes, benchmarks have about the same high scores as all the other flagships, but 3D games stutters on Xperia devices. I think most users are not able to notice it. Hardcore FPS PC gamers like myself would notice this easily.
Here's a thread I created on the Z3 forums a while back: https://forum.xda-developers.com/z3/help/stuttering-games-t2949670 . There's a video in there with my Z3 and LG G2 playing Riptide GP 2.
I just learned to live it with since gaming is not my priority on my phone, and because I don't like all the other phones.

Honestly I'm not a hardcore gamer, I only play the one game Galatronvs via the KIK APP, it's basically a BOT game which is a downwardly scrolling shootemup... However you do compete online against other players.
And I've confirmed it's definitely a heat issue.
Sadly Sony were supposed to have solved their heating issues with the release of the snapdragon 20...but they haven't.
I can actively connect the lagginess of the game directly with the heat of the phone, the ambient heat of the room, and that you can feel the phone getting hotter and hotter in direct relation to how laggy it gets.
I've even been in the middle of a laggy game with the phone feeling very hot and deliberately moved in front of an air cooler with the back of the phone directly in the path of the cool air and had the lagging start to recede as the phone cools down.
I was given an opportunity to try a pixel xl on the same game in an air conditioned room and they were similar.
Then I went outside in the summer heat and the pixel stayed smooth, the Sony rapidly heated up and started to lag.
When you exit the game the Sony stays laggy for about 6 to 7 seconds.. I imagine this is as it cools down.
I love Sony phones, I love that they stick with standard HD screens for good battery life.
I love that they stick with the 5.2" screen... I don't have huge hands.
SwiftKey seems to work better on a Sony than on a Samsung definitely that's for sure.
Though to be honest I am always a little let down by Sony's cameras on their own phones.. It's like they make better lenses for everybody else.
The Samsung will focus INSTANTLY on something small and upclose... Like say... A windows 7 sticker (I'm a computer tech)... Whereas I have quite a lot of difficulty getting the Sony to focus up close.
I've just ordered a oneplus 3t which I'll root and put similar xposed framework modules and compare it to the XZ.
I'll update this for anybody that's interested.

let me say something about these issues...i had xperias before and now i own XZ wich i thought that it wouldnt have overheating problems like on the z5 but it still has some wierd isuues...for example:i ran a game and even when it got hot it worked smoothly and i was surprised and i sad well done sony or Qualcom LOL...so i was feeling happy and after 2 or 3 weeks of usage i get random lags even if the phone is just a little bit warm with no intence gaming yet but somehow the phone works good when its hot but lags when its cooler...this is so wierd...i dont know anymore whats going on with there phones but im seriously thinking of not buying xperia phones again...a guy at waranty sad to me that this is not overheating but its just heating and its up to sony and not them OMG.... i was so angry when he replied me in that way,that i was in the mood to hit that guy strait on the nose really.these phones are not cheap and im not letting them making me a fool.but at the end they will get me back becouse im a Sony fan and also love there design language...sick bastards

Even though I'm a huge nerd, I really did avoid smart phones.. Or even mobile phones for a long long time.. I hated the idea that somebody could contact me no matter where I was.. I didn't get my first smartphone till March 2012.
That was the Samsung Galaxy nexus now more commonly known as the Google nexus.
After that I got an LG G2 and a week later I bought a Sony Z1... And the very first thing I noticed was that even though the LG g2 and the Z1 were based on the same SOC... The Z1 felt vastly superior to use.. It felt faster and more responsive... But i ended up using the LG g2 due to its amazing battery life.
After that I got a Z3 which also had fantastic battery life and I kept that for numerous years till the Z3+ came out.
That was a bad decision.. I was an early adapter.. I wish I'd waited.
So I got an S6 edge.
Worst phone EVER.... The middle of the screen is so unresponsive.. That curve does not make perfect contact with the digitizer or whatever is underneath it.
So I got a S6 flat version... And still a terrible phone experience... Honestly the technology in Samsung phones is amazing... It's like their memory technology is twice as fast as the competition.
It's like comparing a computer with a hard drive to one with an SSD, but they're just let down by poor implementation of software.. It's hard to explain.
I love haptic feedback.. I can't type on a phone without it.
The Z1's haptic feedback was so amazing you could practically hear it across the room if you turned it up.. And if you kept pressing a button fast it's like it would set up a constant vibration..
Same for the Z3+, the Z3 had pretty average feedback as does the XZ I'm writing on now.
However the S6 has the worst feedback I've ever used on a phone.. It's a very high frequency.. It makes typing on the phone unpleasant, it makes using the navigation buttons unpleasant.. The S6 has issues with SwiftKey, yet SwiftKey worked flawlessly on the LG g2, Z1, Z3, Z3+ and the XZ.
So I've not really had that many brands of phones.. That's why I'm giving the Oneplus 3t a go... I've given Sony my loyalty and been burnt twice now.
I'm a big fan of notification lights so I won't go HTC since their too cheap to put a decent light in... And they hide it in the speaker grill.
I wish phone reviewers would review notification lights and feedback... There's more to a phone than how fast it launches a program or what the launcher looks like... There's how it "feels" to use as well.
Just my two cents worth on my thread.

batfink1 said:
Honestly I'm not a hardcore gamer, I only play the one game Galatronvs via the KIK APP, it's basically a BOT game which is a downwardly scrolling shootemup... However you do compete online against other players.
And I've confirmed it's definitely a heat issue.
Sadly Sony were supposed to have solved their heating issues with the release of the snapdragon 20...but they haven't.
I can actively connect the lagginess of the game directly with the heat of the phone, the ambient heat of the room, and that you can feel the phone getting hotter and hotter in direct relation to how laggy it gets.
I've even been in the middle of a laggy game with the phone feeling very hot and deliberately moved in front of an air cooler with the back of the phone directly in the path of the cool air and had the lagging start to recede as the phone cools down.
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Thanks for that info. I'll be sure to test for heat problems when I receive mines. Now I fear that I may have two problems when it comes to gaming, suttering and heat LOL.
I haven't had any heat problems with my current Z5 though. The only time was when recording in 4K during a heat wave (around 95F).

Meh the play store is still full of *****y games that weren't even optimised for the adreno 530, the phone has no fault, the 530 destroys not only the competition(in the same category), but especially older mobile GPUs, ask the dev to use his fingers to make a proper app, the XZ has no fault.

I play EA sport - UFC game (i think this is a first-classe game for smartphone, close to PS3 games graphic and textures!!!)
i see lag when conect charger and play this game... this is normal for any phone when actived soc thermal controll (I have galaxy S6 before XZ too!)
any phone have good performance in gaming is "iPhone" but i am ok with freedom in android platform
* sorry for my bad english...

i test some apps i don't if it s the case or not but most games are developed by unity3d!
they are fine on other phones! on xperia this is the similar issue between games that slowing down

batfink1 said:
To be honest I'm a little underwhelmed with the gaming speed of the XZ.
I only play one game, its a game in KIK called Galatronvs which is a basic Shootemup.
And to be honest , it is REALLY LAGGY on the XZ compared to the S6......The S6 stays smooth , doesn't judder, doesn't pause, doesn't jump.
All these things happen on the XZ as the game gets busier and there are more bullets and ships on the screen..ultimately i die because its becomes a slide show.
After reading all the articles about the Snapdragon 820 and the Adreno 530 I feel more than a little bit down that my two year old S6 with an Inhouse Mali-T760MP8 outperforms it.
Don't get me wrong, in day to day use it's a dream to use..I don't know what it is about Samsung that their hardware is so good but it translates so badly on software that using the phone feels like work rather than fun, even Swiftkey runs like crap on the Samsung.
I haven't tried any other phones yet, but my friend has just gotten a Google Pixel XL and he's going to let me install Kik and have a 30 minute game next week.
If it lags as well, I'd have to say either the Adreno 530 isn't all that good, or the game is terribly optimised.
Either way , at the moment I'm underwhelmed by my Platinum flagship phone gaming experience.
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sometimes im playing game in my xz but i dont have really issue in heating or laggy (my phone have nougat version)
maybe your issue because you are in MM, lets try to nougat.
or use custome rom.

I received my XZ (F8331) a few days ago. I don't seem to be experiencing any heat issues when it comes to gaming. Also the stuttering I mentioned for Xperia devices is now almost gone. It's still there, but it's so little that it doesn't bother me anymore.
I've only played 3 games so far:
Skyforce Reloaded
Riptide GP Renegade
Asphalt Extreme
Running the Stability Test app from the Play store, the XZ does throttle down much much sooner than my Z5 (the Z5's heatpipes seems to work really well), but that app puts all CPU cores on full load.
I'm curious about this game Galvatronvs you're playing. I'd like to see if it runs the same on my XZ. Could you point me in the right direction to download this game?

need for speed no limits lag like hell

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Hello ,
No problem here , i have try now about 30 minutes and no lag
Check my videos:
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Okey i test with "game benchmark"
And no difference between S6 and XZ in game frame rate...
Asphalt8: get 30fps in both devices.
Zombi Highway 2: get 60fps in both devices.
From that test you find:
1) some games locked in lower frame rate, or bad optimized. (asphalt lock on 30fps, zombi highway lock on 60fps)
2) android use "vsync" lock the hardware for limitted fps. Adreno 530 is more powerful then mali T760 (and T880 too!). but there are some software limitations.
3) limited adreno 530 result: gpu not need all his power for reach to 60fps. In my Xperia XZ gpu never reach to 60% load, because not need more load for recive to 60fps.
4) from number#3: none overheating feel when compared with my galaxy s6! s6 need more gpu load for reach to 60fps and gpu core loading heat up the device.
5) unlock software limitations needs custom kernels, and risk of overheating and hardware damage! You don't need more than 60fps for mobile gaming.
6) bad news: Snapdragon 808 can reach to 60fps easily. You can only see "hardware war" between companies. When older SoC can do perfect the end-user works!

Heat

Some phones are great to take camping because if you play Asphalt 8 long enough, the back warms up to the ideal temperature that can bake bread. Rate this thread to express the extent to which the Samsung Galaxy S10 stays cool under extended heavy use. A higher rating indicates that even when playing strenuous games for long periods of time, the phone doesn't get uncomfortably warm.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Galaxy S10e: When installing/updating many apps, the sides of the phone's frame(mainly on the left side) does feel warmer then I would like.

Galaxy S10: while on wireless charger and screen is on, phone overheats after 30min of use. Have to take it off wireless charger till it cools down. Disappointed. Didn't have the same issures on my Galaxy S8.

Mine has been heating up since a week or two and the phone is around a month old.
It gets warm without any significant app load and temperature range is around 32 to 38 deg C at that moment. (Checked using Accubattery app)
Also, a couple of observations from my end:
1. Usually happens when I am on 4G/LTE network. I will test on Wifi as well using the same apps.
2. Happens more while using specific apps - Reddit, Flipkart (India specific app) -- I'll try to find more universal apps and observe the pattern.
3. Network signal is poor.
4. Ambient temperature is high (Peak summers here in India)
I did a "Wipe Cache Partition" 2-3 days back after reading some articles online - didn't help though.
Battery and phone heating up - two things really making me wonder why I went ahead with the galaxy S10E.

Hey guys, could you add please wether you are using an Exynos or a Snpadragon phone? My researches suggest that S10/e/plus tend to get warmer/hotter with Exynos processor.
I had an exynos s10e that went warm/got with low load. I did send it back. I am considering buying a G9700

Ajay

solodV8 said:
Galaxy S10: while on wireless charger and screen is on, phone overheats after 30min of use. Have to take it off wireless charger till it cools down. Disappointed. Didn't have the same issures on my Galaxy S8.
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Don't wait. Send it in for a replacement ASAP. It's not going to just go away.
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Everyone I know who owns any model S10 has complained about overheating. I hope this isn't going to be another Samsung battery debacle.

I have a s10 Exynos using mine without a case and can confirm it does get warm. Coming from using a oneplus 6 and more recently a Huawei mate 20 pro this is not acceptable. Am not even playing games just twitter, fbook and ebay. I dare to think how hot this is going to be when I game on the phone. Does anyone know if the s10 plus has the same issue?

SakazukiAka said:
Hey guys, could you add please wether you are using an Exynos or a Snpadragon phone? My researches suggest that S10/e/plus tend to get warmer/hotter with Exynos processor.
I had an exynos s10e that went warm/got with low load. I did send it back. I am considering buying a G9700
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For what it's worth, I have Snapdragon and have never had my s10 get even remotely hot. Seems like an Exynos issue?

marvi0 said:
I have a s10 Exynos using mine without a case and can confirm it does get warm. Coming from using a oneplus 6 and more recently a Huawei mate 20 pro this is not acceptable. Am not even playing games just twitter, fbook and ebay. I dare to think how hot this is going to be when I game on the phone. Does anyone know if the s10 plus has the same issue?
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Yea, that was exactly the problem I was having. I didn't do anything fancy, just taking some pictures, browsing, checking messages and the phone would heat up notably. Under load it really gets got on the sides. It might be better with the S10+, but I wouldn't bet on it if it has an exynos.
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For what it's worth, I have Snapdragon and have never had my s10 get even remotely hot. Seems like an Exynos issue?
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Yea this seems like an exynos problem. I already sent back my S10e and I am looking to buy a G9700 (S10e with a snapdragon). Really sucks though, I do not understand why Samsung is doing this. the Snapdragon is better in almost every regard. I actually would not care that much if it there wouldn't be any heat problems

I have a s10+ exynos and I can confirm overheating issue......i do normal job (face,messanger, viber and texting) and my phone got pretty hot on the left middle corner on the back.....im dissapointing

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Yea, that was exactly the problem I was having. I didn't do anything fancy, just taking some pictures, browsing, checking messages and the phone would heat up notably. Under load it really gets got on the sides. It might be better with the S10+, but I wouldn't bet on it if it has an exynos.
Yea this seems like an exynos problem. I already sent back my S10e and I am looking to buy a G9700 (S10e with a snapdragon). Really sucks though, I do not understand why Samsung is doing this. the Snapdragon is better in almost every regard. I actually would not care that much if it there wouldn't be any heat problems
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We in Eu do not have that kind of opportunity to buy snapdragon here. I would love to have it though.
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Not sure what problems you are all having. S10e Exynos here and no heating problem. The only time phone gets hot is when playing Asphalt 9 with 60FPS setting enabled (but it's expected because graphics are super high end for a phone). During normal app usage there is no heat at all!

Using Exynos S10 I can confirm overheating with bluetooth music listening in spotify over celluar network, can't say the same about game, yes it heats but maybe tolerable, but its not super normal either

Positivity For the 990

Whilst I am NOT defending Samsung and believe there is much to be improved, I do have the Mi 10 Pro with the Snapdragon 865 for a reference point. The Mi 10 Pro as you will be aware runs at 90hz and for me and my observations battery life is comparable and I'm running the ultra at 120hz.
As for performance & heat issues I decided to play an hour of PubG on the Ultra and another hour on the Mi 10 and again maybe slightly more heat on the Exynos but nothing to worry me personally. I can't say I noticed a difference in Gameplay but didn't run side by side or done a FPS count, that aspect I guess the 865 would lead, but I didn't have any issues on the Ultra in terms of playability.
I do recommend Samsung take notice and use ARM architecture on the Exynos 1000, and hope that this will resolve the complaints.
Maybe I got lucky with my chip, but honestly I can't complain as I'm not experiencing the issues that seem to plauge others.
Just showing and sharing my experience whist not defending the 990 entirely......:good:

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Whilst I am NOT defending Samsung and believe there is much to be improved, I do have the Mi 10 Pro with the Snapdragon 865 for a reference point. The Mi 10 Pro as you will be aware runs at 90hz and for me and my observations battery life is comparable and I'm running the ultra at 120hz.
As for performance & heat issues I decided to play an hour of PubG on the Ultra and another hour on the Mi 10 and again maybe slightly more heat on the Exynos but nothing to worry me personally. I can't say I noticed a difference in Gameplay but didn't run side by side or done a FPS count, that aspect I guess the 865 would lead, but I didn't have any issues on the Ultra in terms of playability.
I do recommend Samsung take notice and use ARM architecture on the Exynos 1000, and hope that this will resolve the complaints.
Maybe I got lucky with my chip, but honestly I can't complain as I'm not experiencing the issues that seem to plauge others.
Just showing and sharing my experience whist not defending the 990 entirely......:good:
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Aswell as i.Same i didn't notice any issue.
Me too i don't deffend Samsung.But it is cruical that customer don't have any issues.
Put in side fps variation in games or better score in antutu it just isn't necessery for regular customer.He will not notice it.
I played games,record 4k 60fp 8k videos absolutley everyting also played games on charger because i wanted to know it there is any issue with thermal throtling or anything else.
And for camera with every update is better as well as battery life.I'm satisfied with my S20 Ultra Exynosm Brutal camera btw and brutal zoom
This is mine opinion after almost month with my phone.
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Also i updated myself camera app from 10.0.02.7 to 10.0.03.4 and its superfast shuter and auto focus.Overall its much much better.

Duncan1982 said:
Whilst I am NOT defending Samsung and believe there is much to be improved, I do have the Mi 10 Pro with the Snapdragon 865 for a reference point. The Mi 10 Pro as you will be aware runs at 90hz and for me and my observations battery life is comparable and I'm running the ultra at 120hz.
As for performance & heat issues I decided to play an hour of PubG on the Ultra and another hour on the Mi 10 and again maybe slightly more heat on the Exynos but nothing to worry me personally. I can't say I noticed a difference in Gameplay but didn't run side by side or done a FPS count, that aspect I guess the 865 would lead, but I didn't have any issues on the Ultra in terms of playability.
I do recommend Samsung take notice and use ARM architecture on the Exynos 1000, and hope that this will resolve the complaints.
Maybe I got lucky with my chip, but honestly I can't complain as I'm not experiencing the issues that seem to plauge others.
Just showing and sharing my experience whist not defending the 990 entirely......:good:
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Same here.. i didn't notice any issue except focus.... Samsung has improved something since the last update, but it's not so good as it should be...S20U exynos... [emoji106]

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Same here.. i didn't notice any issue except focus.... Samsung has improved something since the last update, but it's not so good as it should be...S20U exynos... [emoji106]
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Yeah I get the argument between performance of the 865 vs 990 and same price point. All I am saying is that I have seen threads saying the Cameras are Garbage, they really aren't, but yes should be better (Autofocus) which has improved for me.
The phone heats up, well I play long sessions of PubG and haven't noticed anything erratic.
I'm not debating the 990, I would also prefer the 865, but I'm most certainly not experiencing ALL of the aforementioned complaints in regards to this SOC.

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Yeah I get the argument between performance of the 865 vs 990 and same price point. All I am saying is that I have seen threads saying the Cameras are Garbage, they really aren't, but yes should be better (Autofocus) which has improved for me.
The phone heats up, well I play long sessions of PubG and haven't noticed anything erratic.
I'm not debating the 990, I would also prefer the 865, but I'm most certainly not experiencing ALL of the aforementioned complaints in regards to this SOC.
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I forgot something.Last year i had S10 plus exynos.Battery was garbage so i traded it for snapdragon version.It was better.But after fev weeks battery on exynos improved as well.And i notice that internet on my snap is slow.(Sim internet)And i tested it my friend he has galaxy s8 exynos and my s10 plus snap.We opened ookla test he got about 80mb/s i got about 25.we are on same carrier.I tryed couple of times again and i didn't got anytime above 30 so.for everyone that eant snap keep in mind this.Lower badwith as well as singal reception because we are in Europe which uses diffrent signal.One are on GSM another on CDMA.

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Yeah I get the argument between performance of the 865 vs 990 and same price point. All I am saying is that I have seen threads saying the Cameras are Garbage, they really aren't, but yes should be better (Autofocus) which has improved for me.
The phone heats up, well I play long sessions of PubG and haven't noticed anything erratic.
I'm not debating the 990, I would also prefer the 865, but I'm most certainly not experiencing ALL of the aforementioned complaints in regards to this SOC.
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Don't have a device with SD to compare....all those issue that are mentioned i see on Youtube or read on various pages ... those 20% better in performance that are displayed on various benchmark tests in favor of SD processors i don't even notice in everyday use ... such tests mean nothing to me .... still my device with exynos that i use is super fast in any sense, smooth, etc....

Xode said:
Don't have a device with SD to compare....all those issue that are mentioned i see on Youtube or read on various pages ... those 20% better in performance that are displayed on various benchmark tests in favor of SD processors i don't even notice in everyday use ... such tests mean nothing to me .... still my device with exynos that i use is super fast in any sense, smooth, etc....
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There's a custom recovery now. Soon we'll see custom roms and kernels and both should improve performance/battery life for the exynos. Some, if not all SD will be stuck with Samsung updates forever..

Is there a way to install system apks like camera unrooted?

Personally i play pubg like 3 to 4 hours on one single time with my friends, framerates never drops and the phone is not hot like burning hot, its hot but normal.. as a référence i have thé iphone 11pro max heats more than my phone actually so i think its good..

Guys with positive feedback about exynos, where do you live? I live in Saudi and currently it's the best weather we had this year, and room temperature is 24°and my phone get warm during casual tasks and heats up really bad and drop frames while gaming (all of this while I'm on Wi-Fi), when I turn LTE it is much worse and much warmer, when I turn 5G it stay up for few minutes then heat up then fall back to 4G (I have excellent 5G and 4G signal)

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Is there a way to install system apks like camera unrooted?
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I'm so tired of people falsely claiming exynos is fine in gaming.
You can see a lot of video proofs on YouTube that exynos is trash for gaming and there's no way it can maintain 60fps in pubg mobile for extended playing sessions
If you can't tell the difference between stable 60fps and frequent drop to 40fps it's your problem, don't say it's fine.
At this point I really want someone show me a video proof of exynos running pubg mobile at 60fps for 1 hour. Then I can shut my fxxk up. But until now I see none.

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Personally i play pubg like 3 to 4 hours on one single time with my friends, framerates never drops and the phone is not hot like burning hot, its hot but normal.. as a référence i have thé iphone 11pro max heats more than my phone actually so i think its good..
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Same. The pro max also reduces brightness by 50%

Tbh, the s series is not a gaming phone. Get a gaming phone for gaming.
There is more to life than gaming. There is no perfect phones out there. Each has its unique qualities.
Gaming phones don't take photo well.
To this date samsung phones, at least s and note series is a well balanced phone. Not the best on gaming, photos, ui.. But it's well balanced and do each rather well.
Not to mention the dual messenger and excellent audio it can reproduce.. If you have a decent headset. The adaptive sound is perfect when tuned using the headset of your choice and I have several.. And a profile set for each device. When i change i change the profile.
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vash_h said:
Tbh, the s series is not a gaming phone. Get a gaming phone for gaming.
There is more to life than gaming. There is no perfect phones out there. Each has its unique qualities.
Gaming phones don't take photo well.
To this date samsung phones, at least s and note series is a well balanced phone. Not the best on gaming, photos, ui.. But it's well balanced and do each rather well.
Not to mention the dual messenger and excellent audio it can reproduce.. If you have a decent headset. The adaptive sound is perfect when tuned using the headset of your choice and I have several.. And a profile set for each device. When i change i change the profile.
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cant agree with you on audio i too have a few very good pairs of headsets and audio on this compared to other phones some that are alot cheaper is not good the dolby is well below par if you listen to devices with dolby like motorola or sony they have far superior sound just in my opinion

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Guys with positive feedback about exynos, where do you live? I live in Saudi and currently it's the best weather we had this year, and room temperature is 24°and my phone get warm during casual tasks and heats up really bad and drop frames while gaming (all of this while I'm on Wi-Fi), when I turn LTE it is much worse and much warmer, when I turn 5G it stay up for few minutes then heat up then fall back to 4G (I have excellent 5G and 4G signal)
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I am also in Saudi Arabia, the phone is not too bad on WiFi, but when I use LTE OMG , phone become like heater , I think Samsung has to do something for this heat.

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cant agree with you on audio i too have a few very good pairs of headsets and audio on this compared to other phones some that are alot cheaper is not good the dolby is well below par if you listen to devices with dolby like motorola or sony they have far superior sound just in my opinion
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True.. There is better devices for audio but its still not bad..
Just saying it's an all rounder phone.
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kristova86 said:
I am also in Saudi Arabia, the phone is not too bad on WiFi, but when I use LTE OMG , phone become like heater , I think Samsung has to do something for this heat.
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When I was in saudi, yanbu, the phone is hot as heck probably due to the constant search for better network.
Was in mobifly or mobily or something like that.
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