How long does it take to charge the battery the first time you charge (out of the box)?
Man, I want to turn on my phone!!!
you can use the phone while its charging... just make sure to charge it to 100%.
Oh, really? The little quick start page says charge until the light turns green. I thought you had to leave it off, since the light goes away when you turn it on.
Anyway, the light turned green, yay! (Took about 2 hours)
lol, I don't know if this common sense or not, but why exactly should you charge it until the light turns green when you first get it? I know it says it in the instructions, but can any bad come out of not doing it, or does Google/HTC or whoever just recommend you do this?
Eclair~ said:
lol, I don't know if this common sense or not, but why exactly should you charge it until the light turns green when you first get it? I know it says it in the instructions, but can any bad come out of not doing it, or does Google/HTC or whoever just recommend you do this?
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Shorten battery life. Battery cycles etc
Lithium ion batteries last much longer if they don't experience deep discharge cycles... (deep discharge meaning the charge percentage going below ~50% or so). So it's much better for the battery if you charge it regularly, and only fully discharge it every other month or so to keep it conditioned.
Mine charges all the time since it tethered a lot! My past batterys on other ppc's seem to have held up well because of this!
The purpose in this charge handy first and so in is just to prevent a deep decharge which will destroy the battery (yes, one time letting get down the battery to less than 10-5% means you'll loose about 20-30% of capazity!) and to train the logic behind it. The phone does need to know where the full and empty point are to show you correct rest capacitys. Thats why you should let get down the battery once and a while to the point your phone tells you it needs power and then charge it complitely. It has nothing to do with anykind of memory effect or whatever, it's just a kind of calibration, not more.
Has anyone experienced this issue, seems as tho when I charge my battery to 100% it takes less then 30m before it discharges to 92-92%.
This is happening with the original battery and the Seidio extended battery that I have.
Is there a fix for this, or is this something I should call VZW about. A lot of people at androidforums have been having the same issue.
http://androidforums.com/tips-trick...first-10-battery-drain-quicker-than-rest.html
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http://androidforums.com/tips-trick...first-10-battery-drain-quicker-than-rest.html
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Yeah, I've read this, is everyone having this issue, or just certain phones? The battery "trick" does not work for me.
i think everyone has the problem. the "trick" didnt work for me either or my friend, unless we're doing it wrong. i think its a software issue personally, and hopefully an update will fix it.
ufvj217 said:
i think everyone has the problem. the "trick" didnt work for me either or my friend, unless we're doing it wrong. i think its a software issue personally, and hopefully an update will fix it.
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Your battery stats are miscalculated. You need a calibration procedure. Replacing the phone might fix the problem, but if your battery charging habits don't change it'll happen again, unless HTC feels like changing their battery calibration algorithm, and there's no need to wait for that. Any laptap manufacturer will have a good how-to on li-ion battery calibration.
theres no way all the phones are bad, alot of people have this issue that have this phone. i dont think its bad hardware, chances are if i get a new battery its going to do the same thing. im gonna order an extended battery anyways soon so we will see.
ufvj217 said:
theres no way all the phones are bad, alot of people have this issue that have this phone. i dont think its bad hardware, chances are if i get a new battery its going to do the same thing. im gonna order an extended battery anyways soon so we will see.
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I am having the same issue with an extended battery. It's the way the phone is charging the battery. Is everyone just accepting this as is or is not everyone having the same issue. I want to know if I should replace the phone or not...
I completely discharged my battery last night, turned it off, and fully charged it while it was off. Now the first 10% seems a lot more resilient then before. I just hope I don't have to do this every night. I don't have a land line and it sucks having to turn it off just to charge it.
good to see this post, i to have a htc touch hd, and have problems with batteries, ive bought 2 new batteries from ebay.
and seem to get vary results, its as if mobile is showing 100% but the battery is only 40% charged.
charged one last night finished at 12pm and battery was saying it was flat at 7am !
the orginal htc does seem to last longer, but obvisily there is a issue with the phone itself, if it needs reset or something?
t41n7ed said:
I am having the same issue with an extended battery. It's the way the phone is charging the battery. Is everyone just accepting this as is or is not everyone having the same issue. I want to know if I should replace the phone or not...
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Replacing the phone is not necessary. It's actually the OS that cuts the charge short of full. The OS "thinks" the battery is full,thus stopping the charge. Completely drain the battery, then plug it in,leaving the phone on. Let it fully charge while it's on - when the LED indicator is green,and the battery is "full" - while still plugged in, power phone off,and you'll notice the indicator will turn red again,charging the phone for about another half hour or so. That will give you a true full charge.
Days later...and running Froyo, and still battery problems
I'm running Froyo now...battery light green and indicating 100%...and I power off the phone... It has been charging 25 minutes now and still charging. Didn't they(?) say that this had been fixed in the latest ROMs. I'm running Sky Raider's 2.01. Is it just me?
Do I need to erase my battery stats from within ClockworkMod Recovery? I haven't done this because it warns that this cannot be undone. That sounded too scary for me to try.
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I'm running Froyo now...battery light green and indicating 100%...and I power off the phone... It has been charging 25 minutes now and still charging. Didn't they(?) say that this had been fixed in the latest ROMs. I'm running Sky Raider's 2.01. Is it just me?
Do I need to erase my battery stats from within ClockworkMod Recovery? I haven't done this because it warns that this cannot be undone. That sounded too scary for me to try.
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Yes, clear battery stats. Ive had battery issues like this with any leaked froyo rom, including the one i developed.
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jdkoreclipse said:
Yes, clear battery stats. Ive had battery issues like this with any leaked froyo rom, including the one i developed.
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Thanks! I will give it a try...
How do u clear your battery stats?
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Go into recovery and it is under advanced.
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its a problem with the chargers. youll see if you charge with an external battery charger or a vzw car charger, the phone will charge fine. htc screwed something up with the "trickle" function in the incredible stock chargers. as soon as the LED turns green, the charger shuts off and almost siphons charge from the battery in order to prevent overcharging, which drains the battery to about 95%, but the battery will still show its at 100. ive done the battery stats clear several times and this problem persists even if i leave the phone on the charger for more than a minute after LED turns green, even when phone is turned off. at times the charger doesnt even charge the phone all the way, which is why you can charge completely, unplug, plug it back in and light is red again and takes a few more minutes to charge. both are caused by an "overcharge protection" feature built in to just about every charger these days, but gone horribly wrong in these chargers.
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its a problem with the chargers. youll see if you charge with an external battery charger or a vzw car charger, the phone will charge fine. htc screwed something up with the "trickle" function in the incredible stock chargers. as soon as the LED turns green, the charger shuts off and almost siphons charge from the battery in order to prevent overcharging, which drains the battery to about 95%, but the battery will still show its at 100. ive done the battery stats clear several times and this problem persists even if i leave the phone on the charger for more than a minute after LED turns green, even when phone is turned off. at times the charger doesnt even charge the phone all the way, which is why you can charge completely, unplug, plug it back in and light is red again and takes a few more minutes to charge. both are caused by an "overcharge protection" feature built in to just about every charger these days, but gone horribly wrong in these chargers.
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Oh thanks. I was actually planning to get a new battery today.
Whick one do you suggest?
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its a problem with the chargers. youll see if you charge with an external battery charger or a vzw car charger, the phone will charge fine. htc screwed something up with the "trickle" function in the incredible stock chargers. as soon as the LED turns green, the charger shuts off and almost siphons charge from the battery in order to prevent overcharging, which drains the battery to about 95%, but the battery will still show its at 100. ive done the battery stats clear several times and this problem persists even if i leave the phone on the charger for more than a minute after LED turns green, even when phone is turned off. at times the charger doesnt even charge the phone all the way, which is why you can charge completely, unplug, plug it back in and light is red again and takes a few more minutes to charge. both are caused by an "overcharge protection" feature built in to just about every charger these days, but gone horribly wrong in these chargers.
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I can tell you it doesn't have anything to do with the chargers. I have this problem while the phone is turned on whether I plug it into my Computer, original charger, off brand car charger, usb car charger, usb cable from the lg ally, or the OEM lg ally charger. it has everything to do with HTCs software on the phone. it is using two different ways to charge the battery, one while the phone is on and in use (that uses HTCs software/algorithm), and one while the phone is turned off(uses the batteries overcharge protection circuit).
jeeeeezz
I have tried everything, I tried resetting / removing the battery stats etc. Nothing works...Its useless ppl...have to wait for a fix from HTC. Which bring my question, does anyone know when or if this is planned to be fixed?
So I just installed the Yeti Vanilla Rom and I am LOVING it so far (keyboard might take some getting used to...) Anyway, noticed something interesting...
I noticed my battery start to get a little low and plugged it in after installing this ROM. While the light has turned green, the indicator on the lock screen only said 90%.
It's been about five minutes and now it says 93%. Is this poof that the phone isn't fully charged when the light turns green? I have read many arguments on this topic
Just wondering if anyone found this interesting. Might be a total non issue but I figured I'd mention it.
It's not fully charged.
I've been testing this the last few days. The only way to charge fully that I've found is to power it off and charge. then I get about 16 hours of use, up from the average 6.
im curious if different roms can get the actual battery reading, or maybe even fix the charging bug associated with the incredible (and EVO).
It may be that the engineers want the batteries charged more gently and not as fully. Check out the info on Li ion batteries at batteryuniversity.com
Just wish to let you all know that the S3 "bounce" charges like many HTC and other phones do.
For those of you that are not aware what this means:
The phone will charge to 100% then it will drop to 95% and charge back to 100% again.
It does this whilst it continues to display that it is 100% charged.
What this means is though, for those of us that charge overnight, that it is potluck in the morning when you unplug your phone what percentage you will really be at between 95% and 100%.
You may notice that your phone drops from 100% extremely quickly once unplugged.
Now before you all complain about this too much it is meant to increase the lifespan of the battery in the long run, just damn annoying when my "fully charged" phone drops to 95% within 5 minutes of unplugging.
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Just wish to let you all know that the S3 "bounce" charges like many HTC and other phones do.
For those of you that are not aware what this means:
The phone will charge to 100% then it will drop to 95% and charge back to 100% again.
It does this whilst it continues to display that it is 100% charged.
What this means is though, for those of us that charge overnight, that it is potluck in the morning when you unplug your phone what percentage you will really be at between 95% and 100%.
You may notice that your phone drops from 100% extremely quickly once unplugged.
Now before you all complain about this too much it is meant to increase the lifespan of the battery in the long run, just damn annoying when my "fully charged" phone drops to 95% within 5 minutes of unplugging.
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All phones with lithium ion batteries do this.
Your phone doesn't actually charge ever charge to 100% anyway unless you 'bump charge' it which will decrease the lifespan of your battery.
There's a good read explaining this, I'll find the link and post it up later.
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All phones with lithium ion batteries do this.
Your phone doesn't actually charge ever charge to 100% anyway unless you 'bump charge' it which will decrease the lifespan of your battery.
There's a good read explaining this, I'll find the link and post it up later.
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There are varying extremes though, the HTC desire for example discharged to 90% where as the S2 did it to 99% so barely noticeable at all.
But is it normal to lid up the display and to sound the notification for full battery several times every night? Mine does that, basically it charges to 100%, sounds the notification and lids the display, than (probably) discharges, charges again and sounds the notification. This goes on and on, leaving me with with no option but to put in silent mode.
Do I have an issue with my S3?
I got the little tinkle sound earlier that signifies that the battery is fully charged, but noticed that the battery icon in the top right seemed to indicate that it was still charging. Please see the 2 screenshots taken at 10.15pm.
So i decided to leave it a while and later noticed that the battery icon changed to full.
Does that mean that the lithium battery trickle charges for about half hour or so?
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I got the little tinkle sound earlier that signifies that the battery is fully charged, but noticed that the battery icon in the top right seemed to indicate that it was still charging. Please see the 2 screenshots taken at 10.15pm.
So i decided to leave it a while and later noticed that the battery icon changed to full.
Does that mean that the lithium battery trickle charges for about half hour or so?
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LiIon/LiPoly do not trickle charge. Your guess is as good as mine as to why it indicated it was full prior to it really being full. Perhaps it indicates full charge at 95% or something? Did you look to see what exact percentage it was when it "tinkled"?
They do trickle charge(low mA) at top end... and bottom... and depending on temperature.... very apparent if checking mA readings. Charging logic. Your findings are correct. I still say there is ****ty top and bottom end calibration on this phone, though makes 0 difference in how long the battery lasts if you leave it sit. How we get that magic 1% top end and **** 5% bottom, that sometimes powers off at 2%.
Thanks guys. The prevailing logic is that lithiums don't trickle charge because when they are "fully" charged then they *should* automatically switch off the power, but there definitely does seem to be evidence of a trickle change effect.
My guess is that my particular phone has poor battery calibration, but i don't know yet.
Did you look to see what exact percentage it was when it "tinkled"?
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It showed 100% (it also shows this in GSam battery monitor in the 2nd screenshot). Every singlge time the 'tinkle alarm' goes off it shows 100%
It's all LG G2s. I wouldn't say it's trickle per say, the logic just slows the mA draw at top end. Doesn't shut on and off, Just starts again at a certain % threshold. Calibration at 100% and bottom is indeed mis-calibrated. The standby mA draw in BMW and LG diagnostics reports +27,28 mA. A bit odd of you ask me.... Should be negative... all the more to assume bad calibration.
not an expert but lipo cells are charged individualy and needs to be in balance maby that's why. all lipo have this issue and have som time the need to be balanced don't know I f the phone do that automatically...
just a idé don't know if that's the issue
If you monitor the rate at which it's drawing charge once it nears 100%, you'll see it slows considerably but doesn't stop all at once. Its much more accurate to use the actual voltage to monitor charge. Gsam or android tuner do a pretty good job of that.
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