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Hi all,
I have a question regarding the new app permission management in Marshmallow 6.0.1. In Lollipop (5.1.1) we used to have the option to prevent an app from waking up the device or keeping it awake. I used to uncheck that box for Google Play services as this was constantly running and eating up my battery. When I go through the new extended Marshmallow app management, I get several options that i can allow or deny (body sensors, calendars, camera, contacts, location, etc. see attached screenshot). But nowhere can I find the option to prevent the app/service from waking up or keeping the device awake.
Anyone know where I can find this or how to do this in Marshmallow?
OneTruth said:
Hi all,
I have a question regarding the new app permission management in Marshmallow 6.0.1. In Lollipop (5.1.1) we used to have the option to prevent an app from waking up the device or keeping it awake. I used to uncheck that box for Google Play services as this was constantly running and eating up my battery. When I go through the new extended Marshmallow app management, I get several options that i can allow or deny (body sensors, calendars, camera, contacts, location, etc. see attached screenshot). But nowhere can I find the option to prevent the app/service from waking up or keeping the device awake.
Anyone know where I can find this or how to do this in Marshmallow?
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Use latest package disabler for preventing apps to awake the phone or updated through Google play
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zizon65 said:
Use latest package disabler for preventing apps to awake the phone or updated through Google play
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Is that the only way for now?
That's the appropriate way I know
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zizon65 said:
That's the appropriate way I know
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What I can find in the Play Store is Package Disabler Pro (Samsung). From the description and the screenshots I see you can enable/disable apps/services. I can do that already with Titanium Backup. But I can't disable the Google Play services, I just want to keep them from waking up the device, or keeping it awake while screen is off.
OneTruth said:
What I can find in the Play Store is Package Disabler Pro (Samsung). From the description and the screenshots I see you can enable/disable apps/services. I can do that already with Titanium Backup. But I can't disable the Google Play services, I just want to keep them from waking up the device, or keeping it awake while screen is off.
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Yes but with Package Disabler Pro for Samsung you can do things, that you can't with TTB, in one word it's more powerful
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zizon65 said:
Yes but with Package Disabler Pro for Samsung you can do things, that you can't with TTB, in one word it's more powerful
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TB does what it needs to do for me, as I'm not looking for anything beyond what it can do. Just freeze apps/services I don't use and every once in a while a backup. I just need something good that can prevent an app from waking up device, just like the basic functionality we had in Lollipop in the app management section.
zizon65 said:
Yes but with Package Disabler Pro for Samsung you can do things, that you can't with TTB, in one word it's more powerful
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You're completely missing his point. He doesn't want to disable google play services, he wants to prevent it from waking up the phone.
Package Disabler Pro is more powerful than TB? I hope you're trolling.
OneTruth said:
TB does what it needs to do for me, as I'm not looking for anything beyond what it can do. Just freeze apps/services I don't use and every once in a while a backup. I just need something good that can prevent an app from waking up device, just like the basic functionality we had in Lollipop in the app management section.
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As far as I can tell, the doze feature is supposed to be in charge of preventing wakelocks and keep your phone from staying awake. So Google probably thought that denying the stay awake permission isn't needed anymore. Tbh, it denying 'stay awake' in app permissions in previous builds on android didn't do much for battery life, at least for me. Some things you could try is cleaning google play services data, and deleting google now if you dont use it.
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You're completely missing his point. He doesn't want to disable google play services, he wants to prevent it from waking up the phone.
Package Disabler Pro is more powerful than TB? I hope you're trolling.
As far as I can tell, the doze feature is supposed to be in charge of preventing wakelocks and keep your phone from staying awake. So Google probably thought that denying the stay awake permission isn't needed anymore. Tbh, it denying 'stay awake' in app permissions in previous builds on android didn't do much for battery life, at least for me. Some things you could try is cleaning google play services data, and deleting google now if you dont use it.
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You did not understand me either! What I've said is that Package Disabler Pro not only can prevent app from waking up the phone, but can prevent such app from updated by Google play service.
I also maintain that Package Disabler Pro is more powerful than TTB in terms of preventing an app from doing anything even operating in the background.
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@Bhavpreet I think for me it did quite the thing. Before I disabled apps/services I didn't need I saw Google Play Services popping up in the battery stats a lot. Once I hit the switch and didn't allow the service to wake up the phone or keep it awake, it disappeared from the battery stats.
Currently, from what I can see in the battery stats, the play service is running 4 things:
- Google Service Framework
- Google Play Services
- Google Backup Transport
- Google Account Manager
I have the backup to cloud enabled for contacts/notes/etc. Which one of the above is safe to freeze without interfering in that process?
@zizon65 Are you talking about freezing/disabling an app? Or only stopping it from waking up the device, but leaving the service/app intact for when you manually open it?
@OneTruth it could be achieved by using xposed for the module appopsxposed though I only tested it under cm13 on another phone
zizon65 said:
You did not understand me either! What I've said is that Package Disabler Pro not only can prevent app from waking up the phone, but can prevent such app from updated by Google play service.
I also maintain that Package Disabler Pro is more powerful than TTB in terms of preventing an app from doing anything even operating in the background.
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He does not want to disable it, he just wants to stop it from waking the device. Disabling google play services effectively transforms your device into a dumb phone, whats the point?
OneTruth said:
@Bhavpreet I think for me it did quite the thing. Before I disabled apps/services I didn't need I saw Google Play Services popping up in the battery stats a lot. Once I hit the switch and didn't allow the service to wake up the phone or keep it awake, it disappeared from the battery stats.
Currently, from what I can see in the battery stats, the play service is running 4 things:
- Google Service Framework
- Google Play Services
- Google Backup Transport
- Google Account Manager
I have the backup to cloud enabled for contacts/notes/etc. Which one of the above is safe to freeze without interfering in that process?
@zizon65 Are you talking about freezing/disabling an app? Or only stopping it from waking up the device, but leaving the service/app intact for when you manually open it?
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You wont be able to remove any of those 4 services without breaking google play services as a whole afaik. I don't even use google for my backup account, but i still have backup transport eating at my battery. Google Services, on average, uses 1-4% of my battery, usually on the lower end. Like I said, clear its data and cache, give it a restart, and see if that helps. I also recommend turning off auto update in the playstore, and deleting google now data and app and reinstalling it.
Last option, and this will definitely work considering you upgraded, factory reset the device.
Also, PDP disables apps, meaning it completely gets rid of them from your device until theyre enabled again, which is not a solution to your problem.
@Bhavpreet How com this was possible in Lollipop without breaking anything? Everything was running perfectly for me, without Google Play Services ever showing up in the battery stats. So I won't be factory resetting. Clearing cache already did that, no result. Will try out @Zenroid solution.
I think this is doing the trick. Will post back with results after the next full charge.
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@OneTruth it could be achieved by using xposed for the module appopsxposed though I only tested it under cm13 on another phone
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Anyone else having issues disabling the pre-installed T-Mobile apps? The disable button is greyed out when I go into "app manager" then when I connect to the DeBloatware program it tells me my device is Blocked. No applications actually show up on the app list either in DeBloatware (besides one - T-mobile auto start program). I unlocked my bootloader thinking it may help but it did nothing for this venture. Coming from the N6P I'm really not liking the fact that I just paid as much as I did for a phone that has T-mobile all over it... Even the start up screen pisses me off.
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Anyone else having issues disabling the pre-installed T-Mobile apps? The disable button is greyed out when I go into "app manager" then when I connect to the DeBloatware program it tells me my device is Blocked. No applications actually show up on the app list either in DeBloatware (besides one - T-mobile auto start program). I unlocked my bootloader thinking it may help but it did nothing for this venture. Coming from the N6P I'm really not liking the fact that I just paid as much as I did for a phone that has T-mobile all over it... Even the start up screen pisses me off.
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I'm able to disable the Tmobile Name ID app, Device unlock app, and TMobile app
nest75068 said:
I'm able to disable the Tmobile Name ID app, Device unlock app, and TMobile app
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You went into the "app manager" to do so correct? I don't get why it's greyed out for me... I have never had the problems I'm having with this phone on any other Android device when it comes to disabling or uninstalling carrier apps...
This is what I'm seeing when I go into app info for the bloatware...
Kief_haring said:
You went into the "app manager" to do so correct? I don't get why it's greyed out for me... I have never had the problems I'm having with this phone on any other Android device when it comes to disabling or uninstalling carrier apps...
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I'm using Nova, so I can long press the app and go to app info to do it
nest75068 said:
I'm using Nova, so I can long press the app and go to app info to do it
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Even though the process might be different from different launchers wouldn't the result be the same? I'm using the Google Now launcher & would think that it would allow me to disable the T-mobile app regardless of launcher app... or am I completely wrong?
If you can't disable the app, kill its permissions. It does pretty much the same thing. That's how I got T-Mobile apps to stop using the battery.
douger1957 said:
If you can't disable the app, kill its permissions. It does pretty much the same thing. That's how I got T-Mobile apps to stop using the battery.
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Yeah, I'm going to have to go this route but I would love to know why some people can simply disable the app & on my system it is completely greyed out...
Kief_haring said:
Yeah, I'm going to have to go this route but I would love to know why some people can simply disable the app & on my system it is completely greyed out...
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It may be carrier specific.
Kief_haring said:
Even though the process might be different from different launchers wouldn't the result be the same? I'm using the Google Now launcher & would think that it would allow me to disable the T-mobile app regardless of launcher app... or am I completely wrong?
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I was wrong, the Tmobile app is the only one I couldn't get off the phone.
I know with Samsung I could use package disabler pro and was able to end the process and get it frozen
What I did is diable all permissions, revoke background data from the app, cleared cached and uninstalled all updates. Then don't open that app again and turn off autp update in the play store
nest75068 said:
I was wrong, the Tmobile app is the only one I couldn't get off the phone.
I know with Samsung I could use package disabler pro and was able to end the process and get it frozen
What I did is diable all permissions, revoke background data from the app, cleared cached and uninstalled all updates. Then don't open that app again and turn off autp update in the play store
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Copy that... I want to be able to just disable the bloat like I should be able to, considering Android is open source & should be able to be customized. I purposely don't buy Applesauce phones because I like being able to tweak everything to my liking... What happened to the Android I fell in love with???
Has anybody on the T-Mobile LG V20 tried connecting their device to the DeBloater program? I'm curious if anyone else is getting the "Your device does not allow blocking" notification when connecting your phone...
Follwing.
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Package Disabler for LGMobile is available in play store
Have you tried SD Maid Pro yet? I used that on my Sprint variant and was able to disable anything I wanted. Be advised, some of the apps are integrated into other apps within framework and could cause issues with apps you want to use still.
I just received this device and I am disabling some preinstalled apps that I do not use. I noticed that I can't force stop or disable the Google App. When I go to setting, apps, then press Google App the Disable and Force Stop options are greyed out. How can I disable this app without root? I haven't installed any updates to any of my apps and Google App is causing huge battery drain.
Hrrm, there might be an ADB command that could help. I think I know the app you're talking about, but there's a lot of "Google Apps" yanno?
Anyhow, I'll assume you're talking about the one that actually houses Google Now and the while search thingy, which is com.google.android.googlequicksearchbox
Code:
adb shell pm hide com.google.android.googlequicksearchbox
This doesn't remove not disable it entirely persay, but it should disable it sufficiently.
That's the best you can do without root afaik
MelloZ said:
Hrrm, there might be an ADB command that could help. I think I know the app you're talking about, but there's a lot of "Google Apps" yanno?
Anyhow, I'll assume you're talking about the one that actually houses Google Now and the while search thingy, which is com.google.android.googlequicksearchbox
Code:
adb shell pm hide com.google.android.googlequicksearchbox
This doesn't remove not disable it entirely persay, but it should disable it sufficiently.
That's the best you can do without root afaik
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Thank you so much! yes I am referring to the Google Search now rebranded as Google App
So, since we don't have root, any ideas on how to delete bloat?
Granted the G6 isn't TOO terrible, I've definitely seen worse. There are still a handful of apps I wouldn't mind purging.
(Seriously, Facebook pre-installed? Lolz)
Any clue? Any tip? There's only so much I can disable.
SolarisSixth said:
So, since we don't have root, any ideas on how to delete bloat?
Granted the G6 isn't TOO terrible, I've definitely seen worse. There are still a handful of apps I wouldn't mind purging.
(Seriously, Facebook pre-installed? Lolz)
Any clue? Any tip? There's only so much I can disable.
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Just got my G6 & am in the same boat. So used to Titanium Backup to de-bloat. For now I think we are stuck disabling what we can & hope root comes soon.
On my H870DS, facebook, instagram and that sort of BS was uninstallable. I got rid of them the minute I switched on the G6.
SolarisSixth said:
So, since we don't have root, any ideas on how to delete bloat?
Granted the G6 isn't TOO terrible, I've definitely seen worse. There are still a handful of apps I wouldn't mind purging.
(Seriously, Facebook pre-installed? Lolz)
Any clue? Any tip? There's only so much I can disable.
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no root no debloat..
Only got LG bloat. Still want rid
Just disable what you can for now not much else to do :/
You can disable almost everything after use a command trough adb and few other passages with This app, tested my self, in this way i had the possibility to disable QMemo+.
I have a new vs988 on the way, will try to install that Disabler right away ☺
The app Killua96 pointed to seems to work fine on my G6 VS988. I followed the instructions for a non-rooted phone. A few clarifications:
-Don't bother setting up accounts or anything other than for getting your phone on the network and then running Play Store to download the app. In my case I ended up doing a factory reset, then DL'd the app.
-After the app is installed, follow the instructions to delete accounts -- you should only see the Google account listed (you have to give it your Google credentials when you run Play Store for the app)
-Go into Settings - Applications and disable GMail. When you entered Google credentials for Play Store it automatically shoves them into GMail. The fastboot command you run from your PC will error out if GMail is running, since it will see an existing account on the phone.
-Follow the app instructions, installing the minimal ADB/fastboot, running the couple of commands from your PC.
-When done, restart your phone, re-enable GMail, add whatever accounts you want.
I've used the app to disable a bunch of bloat (duplicate SMS apps, some VZW stuff I don't use, LG Health,...)
Be aware that if you have the Verizon VS988, it has DT Ignite hidden in the system apps. Fortunately, you can disable it.
Killua96 said:
You can disable almost everything after use a command trough adb and few other passages with This app, tested my self, in this way i had the possibility to disable QMemo+.
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I'll definitely check it out, but I'm a little concerned with giving device owner permission to some 3rf party app.
Are there instructions to change the owner back to default?
SolarisSixth said:
I'll definitely check it out, but I'm a little concerned with giving device owner permission to some 3rf party app.
Are there instructions to change the owner back to default?
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You can always uninstall it
I have the unlocked G6 that I bought here in the Netherlands. I am not so bothered by the LG apps, as some of it were usable, but It's annoying that apps like evernote, Google duo, sheets and slides can be removed.
You forgot to mention the ubiquitous Fookface crap that I personally have never used nor ever will use.
And ofc Chrome.
And Hangouts.
Hmm I could be here a long time.....
Killua96 said:
You can disable almost everything after use a command trough adb and few other passages with This app, tested my self, in this way i had the possibility to disable QMemo+.
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This worked great. Thanks for sharing.
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It seems like I get longer Battery life after completely wiping everything related to Google (Including Google Play/Mobile Services) with root (I was already. It isn't worth it to root just to degoogle your phone as you can remove most google packages with tha adb shell uninstall command. But with root you can wipe every single one of them). Is this possible (I think yes as there is no Google Services running in the background all the time. No location services, no Google Play, no Mobile Services or Google Synchronization......)? Should I post a tutorial?
Your thoughts?
JanBoyGamer23 said:
It seems like I get longer Battery life after completely wiping everything related to Google (Including Google Play/Mobile Services) with root. Is this possible (I think yes as there is no Google Services running in the background all the time. No location services, no Google Play, no Mobile Services or Google Synchronization......)? Should I post a tutorial?
Your thoughts?
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Hi...i don't think it makes sense to root it for that..you can disable all off with CCSWE or Package Disabler apk and enable it on again if necessary .... and as for the battery, it will certainly last a bit longer without Google service... if you already have a turorial ready, why not ...
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Xode said:
Hi...i don't think it makes sense to root it for that..you can disable all off with CCSWE or Package Disabler apk and enable it on again if necessary .... and as for the battery, it will certainly last a bit longer without Google service... if you already have a turorial ready, why not ...
S20U Exynos
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I was already rooted. It would be really stupid to just to remove some apps as you can remove most of them with adb.
JanBoyGamer23 said:
I was already rooted. It would be really stupid to just to remove some apps as you can remove most of them with adb.
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Exactly , and that's another example that doesn't need root for something like that...and that stupidity has nothing to do with this case ... anyone can do whatever they want with their device ... it was my opinion that you suggested in the OP.. [emoji6]
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Play services tends to use more than it should for battery on ANY device and disabling it will definately help with battery life. The hit in battery is just the sacrifice you make to run ANY app that utilizes play services (not just google apps, and more than one would think).
I debloat and remove a lot of useless sh*t using adb appcontrol.
Player04 said:
I debloat and remove a lot of useless sh*t using adb appcontrol.
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I think app control only disables the package. Correct me if I'm wrong.
For a full removal I recommend the adb uninstall command it goes:
adb shell pm uninstall -k --user 0 [PackageNameHere]
You can use an app like package names viewer 2.0 to get the package names
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I removed only the stuff that I am absolutely certain I will never need, like Facebook and kids crap. The rest is disabled via CCSWE App Manager.
You can do whatever you like. Just make a list of everything you remove, in case you need to reinstall something later.
if it is rooted, make backups of the apps with Titanium. Disabling it doesn't do much good because they will still be on the device. Crap is Crap, delete it...
JanBoyGamer23 said:
I think app control only disables the package. Correct me if I'm wrong.
For a full removal I recommend the adb uninstall command it goes:
adb shell pm uninstall -k --user 0 [PackageNameHere]
You can use an app like package names viewer 2.0 to get the package names
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As far as I understand it only removes it from user 0, the primary user, but still persists, although it´s not actiated. If an app is locked, you can´t uninstall it entirely. On the other hand, I understand that you can still make the official updates when doing it this way.
JanBoyGamer23 said:
It seems like I get longer Battery life after completely wiping everything related to Google (Including Google Play/Mobile Services) with root (I was already. It isn't worth it to root just to degoogle your phone as you can remove most google packages with tha adb shell uninstall command. But with root you can wipe every single one of them). Is this possible (I think yes as there is no Google Services running in the background all the time. No location services, no Google Play, no Mobile Services or Google Synchronization......)? Should I post a tutorial?
Your thoughts?
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If you haven´t tried it already, try to install PCAPdroid and see how many apps are trying to connect to some server somewhere all the time without any benefit for you. Although I knew I was beeing monitored at a very detailed level, I was still shocked. Now I got it under control with NetGuard, an other app I can recommend. The paid version of NetGuard also comes with a simple network log (not straight forward to configure, but works fine). It´s some very handy tools.
The point is, of course you can save battery if you uninstall all those abusive apps that constantly uses your CPU and Internet connection. I don´t know how much, but some you can save.