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I would like to have an idea of the dev support the phone will get. The s4 was a let down for me development wise, so it would be great to know which devs and how many will own the device. Wanam and AndreiLux won't get the s5 The M8 already got a good support.
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I would like to have an idea of the dev support the phone will get. The s4 was a let down for me development wise, so it would be great to know which devs and how many will own the device. Wanam and AndreiLux won't get the s5 The M8 already got a good support.
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Yeh I hope this phone has good support, the GS2 was incredible and still being played with on the forums, I've had an i777 past few years and it had ridiculous support and still does (pry would have stuck with it for now and see what happens over the next year but I dropped it in ocean other day and rice sure as heck didn't save it lol). Have an early S4 too that wife has and it was rooted and rom'd, then all the firmware and updates happened and that's when Dev support almost died on that phone. I actually thought of getting an S4 for my upgrade instead but since it'd be from AT&T it would be on the current bang your head through a wall firmware/baseband.
I seriously hope the S5 is able to root and have rom support, and not the cluster f' the S4 is now but I doubt it considering Sammy made Knox etc even more complicated now.
Yea with Knox and all I just don't see much support, the s4 is just dead especially on the kernels side , I already preordered mine but now I'm not sure if I wanna keep it or cancel. The m8 is just a boring sexy phone (if you read the forums everyone is so scared they already put it in cases) so there's no other alternative atm
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Yea with Knox and all I just don't see much support, the s4 is just dead especially on the kernels side , I already preordered mine but now I'm not sure if I wanna keep it or cancel. The m8 is just a boring sexy phone (if you read the forums everyone is so scared they already put it in cases) so there's no other alternative atm
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That's my problem, need a phone now as my i777 took a swim after being so careful with it for 2 1/2 years. But there's like nothing out there, I can get a refurbed S4 through AT&T for free on my upgrade but it'll have the current baseband/firmware so screwed there, I can get an M8 which is unlockable but has a crap camera (looks fine on phone, not so when you upload pics or use on desktop), or the S5 where your just perma screwed being locked and knox. There's nothing else, and can't wait as need a phone now. Sucks, so much for the days of Android being open. I'm seriously considering going back to Apple as much as I dread that as at least you can still jailbreak and not deal with all the headaches of rooting and flashing now (thats if you can), not like the i777 days where it was a breeze.
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Yea with Knox and all I just don't see much support, the s4 is just dead especially on the kernels side , I already preordered mine but now I'm not sure if I wanna keep it or cancel. The m8 is just a boring sexy phone (if you read the forums everyone is so scared they already put it in cases) so there's no other alternative atm
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Dead? ROMs: Omega, Wanam, Echoe, Bobcat...
Kernels: KT, Adam, Faux, Alucard, Talexop...
I guess you're one more who doesn't have an idea of what Knox is, and then talks BS.
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Dead? ROMs: Omega, Wanam, Echoe, Bobcat...
Kernels: KT, Adam, Faux, Alucard, Talexop...
I guess you're one more who doesn't have an idea of what Knox is, and then talks BS.
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I don't think he meant dead as in "dead" you can still play around just a huge headache, i got lucky and have an early model S4 for wife, I think he meant Dev work and support/updates once they started changing firmware/baseband that made it too much of a hassle for Devs to deal with. With the S5 being even more strict and encrypted from whats said so far of updated Knox, at least with U.S. Carriers, makes me feel like there will be very little support. Some known Devs have already said their not going to bother with the S5 or at least U.S. variants
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I don't think he meant dead as in "dead" you can still play around just a huge headache, i got lucky and have an early model S4 for wife, I think he meant Dev work and support/updates once they started changing firmware/baseband that made it too much of a hassle for Devs to deal with. With the S5 being even more strict and encrypted from whats said so far of updated Knox, at least with U.S. Carriers, makes me feel like there will be very little support. Some known Devs have already said their not going to bother with the S5 or at least U.S. variants
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Well, there's a world outside the US.
Just don't buy the international version (or more specifically third-world international version) if you're worried about this. The S4 was relatively lucky that I single-handedly did everything from scratch kernel side, else you'd be more disappointed.
Still don't see why anybody from the S4 gen would warrant buying the S5 or M8 when they'll be bashed by the end of summer.
I wouldn't have bothered with the S5 if it wasn't for the deal I got from O2.
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I also hope for great dev support. Although I have tried to learn how to build ROMS many times and still haven't got an idea how to really. I will be more than willing to help any dev.
Getting the S5 on release date hopefully!
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Dead? ROMs: Omega, Wanam, Echoe, Bobcat...
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I know what Knox is and I was talking about the exynos variant, as Wanam left for the snapdragon version then he said the next phone is htc m8. I could care less about warranty I have been using smartphones since the beginning and I have never used the warranty. So yeah, if we end up with 3 devs that's "dead support to me"
Andreilux I know that by q3 more powerful phones will be on the market but my s4 is driving me crazy with sudden battery drains and wifi wakelocks, I just wanna get rid of if. And yes I'm thankful for your work since I used it on s3 n2 and s4
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I know what Knox is and I was talking about the exynos variant, as Wanam left for the snapdragon version then he said the next phone is htc m8. I could care less about warranty I have been using smartphones since the beginning and I have never used the warranty. So yeah, if we end up with 3 devs that's "dead support to me"
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I'm thinking of creating ROMs (at last!). I'm certainly buying the S5 and dev'ing for it.
The S5 won't see a massive amount of non-stock roms, and certainly less than the Snapdragon S4. But there will be some with the architecture being open source unlike Somsung's Exynos. Also, there will be a lot of roms based on stock.
To be honest, I'm probably going to be happy sticking with stock anyway as certain features will be lost as soon as Samsung's framework is taken out of the equation (fingerprint recognition being the main one).
What I would really love to see more than anything else is an exploit-based root solution that doesn't trip the knox flag. But I believe the Note 3 4.4.2 roms still haven't had that so I'm not holding my breath for the S5. I'm still deciding if I should leave my phone unrooted when I get it on Friday or just bite the bullet and trip the flag the CF Auto Root. The idea of not being able to use Viper4Android isn't one that appeals.
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Still don't see why anybody from the S4 gen would warrant buying the S5 or M8 when they'll be bashed by the end of summer.
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I wonder, what do you mean. Are we expecting something amazing by the end of the summer?
My personal opinion is that it is not worth spending money at anything because next year everything will be bashed by something like this...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7925/...bit-socs-with-lte-category-67-support-in-2015
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The S5 won't see a massive amount of non-stock roms, and certainly less than the Snapdragon S4. But there will be some with the architecture being open source unlike Somsung's Exynos. Also, there will be a lot of roms based on stock.
To be honest, I'm probably going to be happy sticking with stock anyway as certain features will be lost as soon as Samsung's framework is taken out of the equation (fingerprint recognition being the main one).
What I would really love to see more than anything else is an exploit-based root solution that doesn't trip the knox flag. But I believe the Note 3 4.4.2 roms still haven't had that so I'm not holding my breath for the S5. I'm still deciding if I should leave my phone unrooted when I get it on Friday or just bite the bullet and trip the flag the CF Auto Root. The idea of not being able to use Viper4Android isn't one that appeals.
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I agree, Touchwhiz has gotten a lot better, and I just use GoLauncher Prime and DiCikonZ icon package so I can put up with no roms, but really want to see a solution to root w/o tripping knox. I hate bloat that comes on Sammy/AT&T phones. And I want my damn Tibu back that I paid for.
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The S5 won't see a massive amount of non-stock roms, and certainly less than the Snapdragon S4. But there will be some with the architecture being open source unlike Somsung's Exynos. Also, there will be a lot of roms based on stock.
To be honest, I'm probably going to be happy sticking with stock anyway as certain features will be lost as soon as Samsung's framework is taken out of the equation (fingerprint recognition being the main one).
What I would really love to see more than anything else is an exploit-based root solution that doesn't trip the knox flag. But I believe the Note 3 4.4.2 roms still haven't had that so I'm not holding my breath for the S5. I'm still deciding if I should leave my phone unrooted when I get it on Friday or just bite the bullet and trip the flag the CF Auto Root. The idea of not being able to use Viper4Android isn't one that appeals.
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Im in agreement with you on both points. I don't necessarily care about a custom ROM as much as I care about gaining root and getting rid of the bloatware. I am new to the Galaxy S world of things (my S5 arrives today!) so I am glad to know there is a potential early option although a non-preferable one that trips a no warranty flag. However as mentioned in someone elses reply I have never used a warranty option with a phone, but the one time I count on that I may be jinxing myself.
Looking forward to getting my hands on this phone today, and hopefully root not too far behind.
I'm not into Roms that's I emphasize on kernel devs, that's how you unlock the phones potential
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Agreed.
The people who cry are the ones who previously got away with rooting their device and keeping their warranty.
The galaxy note 3 was the first phone that had restrictions after rooting it > the knox trigger. It wasn't mcuh a problem tho because here in romania, from the store i bought it, they didn't even know what knox means and if i ever had an issue with hardware defects they would repair them for free under warranty.
Bot now with the newer models i heard samsung pay stops working, knox triggers and so on.
What are the main issues wirh rooting on this phone? Because if there are too many problems i might consider the lg g5.
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The galaxy note 3 was the first phone that had restrictions after rooting it > the knox trigger. It wasn't mcuh a problem tho because here in romania, from the store i bought it, they didn't even know what knox means and if i ever had an issue with hardware defects they would repair them for free under warranty.
Bot now with the newer models i heard samsung pay stops working, knox triggers and so on.
What are the main issues wirh rooting on this phone? Because if there are too many problems i might consider the lg g5.
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What?? Don't threaten us going to LG. How dare you.
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There is no downside. I rooted a note 5 and installed a custom Rom. I had just bought the phone from a T-Mobile store. 4 days later I took it back and got a refund. I just flashed stock firmware in odin and all was back to how I got it. I got the s7 edge now. I received it Monday.
Down side to rooting? Corporations stop getting revenue from pre loaded click bait. They may have to lower the COs bonus
there is a big downside. if you root and trip knox you can no longer use samsung pay with the Magnetic strip technology . no root you can pay on any swipe machine no matter how old it is.
until we can root without tripping knox id advise against it
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there is a big downside. if you root and trip knox you can no longer use samsung pay with the Magnetic strip technology . no root you can pay on any swipe machine no matter how old it is.
until we can root without tripping knox id advise against it
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But if I unroot will i be able to use samsung pay, or its broken forever?
The only downside is no Samsung pay. Tripping Knox doesn't void warranty. I've even seen people ask Samsung directly and were told they could still send it in for repair etc.the whole Knox thing is blown out of proportion.
About a week after rooting my Note 5, I was totally bummed. Why? Because Samsung started pushing Samsung Pay with various promotions. And, as we all know now, Samsung won't allow Samsung Pay on a Knox-tripped device. For that reason, I'm waiting to root my S7e until I can secure whatever Pay promotions that might be around the corner...
This is the only thing preventing me from buying this phone. I don't care about Knox but I don't want to break Samsung pay.
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I stopped rooting my phone from the S6 edge. 2 years ago, it was easy to find apps working on rooting phones that were not supposed to work. Now, it's almost impossible. Personally, I have too many apps that I REALLY need that wouldn't work on a rooted phone, (Samsung Pay, All of my bank apps, Good for Mobile (work email) etc....)
I think Samsung Pay is priceless. Imagine not having to carry an ugly bulky wallet ever again. On top of that, it's way more secure then using a regular credit card. With all data breaches occurring every day, I'll definitely stay out of rooting the phone. I think is just like opening a can of worms. Of course, if you only use your phone for gaming and leisure, and don't care about security for sensitive data like bank accounts apps, personal or work email and other sensitive data, then go ahead and root(hack) the hell out of it. How can you really trust 3rd party mods? I've always been skeptical of open source software. That's my little 2 cents.
If you do root your phone, make sure you change passwords every minute
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I think Samsung Pay is priceless. Imagine not having to carry an ugly bulky wallet ever again. On top of that, it's way more secure then using a regular credit card. With all data breaches occurring every day, I'll definitely stay out of rooting the phone. I think is just like opening a can of worms. Of course, if you only use your phone for gaming and leisure, and don't care about security for sensitive data like bank accounts apps, personal or work email and other sensitive data, then go ahead and root(hack) the hell out of it. How can you really trust 3rd party mods? I've always been skeptical of open source software. That's my little 2 cents.
If you do root your phone, make sure you change passwords every minute
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The difference is pretty simple, you can trust open source software, because there are loads of people not connected to any company which know how to code are able to take a look at it and give alert, if there is something suspicious included.
At closed source you have to trust what the company is telling you.
BTW, you are aware that android is open source at it's core.
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Except when that works the opposite of that... OpenSSL, bash, Apache, etc etc etc...
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JasonJoel said:
Except when that works the opposite of that... OpenSSL, bash, Apache, etc etc etc...
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Every software has bugs, at open source software it can at least be found and fixed fast. And seriously, Apache? IIS is much worse and iOS for example lacks behind at most security reports, it's walled garden just safes it to some extend.
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Don't care about Knox nor Samsung Pay. So as soon as it's available, I'm rooting.
I'm guessing the chances of bootloader unlock are pretty slim. Chances for root maybe decent, but hard to say at this point in time.
The Verizon S6 was a little bit sad with the locked bootloader, but at least PingPong gave us root. Does anyone here know about PingPong and whether or not the creators of it will attempt to address root on the S7?
Maybe all the S5 owners that held out when the S6 released will have interest in the S7 and maybe we could get a bounty started for bootloader unlock. Or is the security so sound that it's not worth the effort because it's too hard to crack?
I already ordered the Verizon S7 Edge anyway, so I guess my fate is sealed.
Don't even count on it. If you're thinking about getting a Verizon model just assume it's locked for life.
If you care about rooting and unlocked bootloaders over hardware get a Nexus 6P. Consider ourselves lucky that the last few Nexus phones work on Verizon. If only Samsung had the balls to sale one universal unit running stock Android and unlocked bootloaders. I would kill for that phone.
It seems like it gets worse with each device Samsung releases. I do care about root, and custom roms are nice, but I like the Samsung hardware a lot, so I'm torn. If I had extra money, I'd get a Nexus 6P, but as it is, I got an S7 Edge for $192 spread out over 2 years if I so choose. That sexy hardware combined with a free $300 smart watch (Gear S2) for $8/mo versus Nexus 6P that I'd have to buy outright = tough choice, so I went with Samsung and am hoping it gets rooted. Until it gets root, I won't be able to use Tasker which affects my daily life, so I need to figure out an alternative to Tasker for what I'm using it for now. On the other hand, at least Samsung Pay will still work...quite a small and meaningless consolation.
The fact is, S6 got root which gives me hope that the S7 will, but I am okay without it....I guess. Man, I despise Samsung and Apple for this crap, but their hardware is so nice.
It's really not Samsung's fault, Verizon asked them too. It's usually not like that on T-mobile
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Don't even count on it. If you're thinking about getting a Verizon model just assume it's locked for life.
If you care about rooting and unlocked bootloaders over hardware get a Nexus 6P. Consider ourselves lucky that the last few Nexus phones work on Verizon. If only Samsung had the balls to sale one universal unit running stock Android and unlocked bootloaders. I would kill for that phone.
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This. If it weren't for Samsung pay, I would consider other phones. Samsung pay is seriously the killer feature in the US though.
Lets hope for the best, but I am guessing root only.
I can almost guarantee you that the S7 and Edge won't get even root. Many people don't care anymore as much as they used to because phones these days don't require root as much as they did before.
Honestly the only reason I would need it is to force uninstall all of the bloat, but we have Package Disabler for that which does almost the same thing except it doesn't free up the storage space.
Less than zero.
There will probably always be a root, just takes time and man power to do it.
Just like how Apple always tries to make their phone invulnerable to jailbreaking, but yet people always find a way.
True.. if there's enough intresting and a bounty I bet it could happen. Nothing is bullet proof. ...
Argyrus said:
There will probably always be a root, just takes time and man power to do it.
Just like how Apple always tries to make their phone invulnerable to jailbreaking, but yet people always find a way.
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Sorry to burst your bubble but the past 2 generations of Verizon Samsung phones have yet to receive root. It is not going to happen with the implementations put in by Google to verify the system upon booting. The note 5 never saw root, the s6 only shortly saw root on early shipping firmware, and the Note 4 never saw root after KitKat. Just letting you know so that you don't get your hopes up.
You will have to have an unlocked bootloader from here on out unless something huge happens.
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Sorry to burst your bubble but the past 2 generations of Verizon Samsung phones have yet to receive root. It is not going to happen with the implementations put in by Google to verify the system upon booting. The note 5 never saw root, the s6 only shortly saw root on early shipping firmware, and the Note 4 never saw root after KitKat. Just letting you know so that you don't get your hopes up.
You will have to have an unlocked bootloader from here on out unless something huge happens.
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Past 2? I am sorry but my Galaxy S6 Edge has root..
I've rooted every phone I had until the DT2 and now my s7e. since I can now disable bloat and it not show up any longer I don't really miss root. And with the SD card storage isn't a problem.
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Past 2? I am sorry but my Galaxy S6 Edge has root..
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Past 2? I am sorry but my Galaxy S6 Edge has root..
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Sorry, forgot to mention that one when I mentioned the S6. They both got root on the shipped firmware, but after it was patched no phone after that has gotten root. The note 5, or the edge plus. I'm not trying to be negative, I'm just really upset about the situation of the root possibilities of all the new locked down phones. I really wanted a Note 5 but it was also said to be basically impossible by the community so it saved me time and money. I was just trying to do the same for others.
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Sorry, forgot to mention that one when I mentioned the S6. They both got root on the shipped firmware, but after it was patched no phone after that has gotten root. The note 5, or the edge plus. I'm not trying to be negative, I'm just really upset about the situation of the root possibilities of all the new locked down phones. I really wanted a Note 5 but it was also said to be basically impossible for the community so it saved me time and money. I was just trying to do the same for others.
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It is not impossible, just many people don't want to spend the time to root the Verizon or AT&T, why would they if they can easily root and mod the ones with unlocked bootloaders.
Look at Apple, for example, they try really hard to make their phones hard to jailbreak, but yet people find ways to do it.
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It is not impossible, just many people don't want to spend the time to root the Verizon or AT&T, why would they if they can easily root and mod the ones with unlocked bootloaders.
Look at Apple, for example, they try really hard to make their phones hard to jailbreak, but yet people find ways to do it.
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Ya there doesn't seem to be much effort put into Samsung + Verizon devices anymore. I can see why, like you mentioned about locked bootloaders, but there are large swaths of users in the US that really don't have the option to get unlocked Samsungs. Like in my entire state, we have to get Verizon unless we want sub-par coverage, and then it's AT&T with locked bootloader, too.
I'll just keep my fingers crossed but am doing okay without root so far (about 14 hours in with my S7Edge).
If you're a betting man these are the odds I'll give you:
Root 1:10
Update to N before S8 release 1:500
Unlocked bootloader 1:9999999999
Any development 1:99999999999
If we do get root there will also likely be a patch issued to remove the exploit.
Get used 6.0.1 and bloatware.
Speaking of bloatware did you notice the two square inches in the notification shade dedicated to quick connect? It's unremoveable.
We should put up a bounty, I'd definitely be willing to donate!
squallz506 said:
If you're a betting man these are the odds I'll give you:
Root 1:10
Update to N before S8 release 1:500
Unlocked bootloader 1:9999999999
Any development 1:99999999999
If we do get root there will also likely be a patch issued to remove the exploit.
Get used 6.0.1 and bloatware.
Speaking of bloatware did you notice the two square inches in the notification shade dedicated to quick connect? It's unremoveable.
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The quick connect is removable from the notifcations, you just have to press the arrow and then edit to turn it off.
squallz506 said:
If you're a betting man these are the odds I'll give you:
Root 1:10
Update to N before S8 release 1:500
Unlocked bootloader 1:9999999999
Any development 1:99999999999
If we do get root there will also likely be a patch issued to remove the exploit.
Get used 6.0.1 and bloatware.
Speaking of bloatware did you notice the two square inches in the notification shade dedicated to quick connect? It's unremoveable.
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Two ways to remove it, dropdown your notifications and edit the quick toggles. The option to turn off is at the bottom.
You can also disable the quickconnect app as well.
So are we to this point yet? With this locked Bootloader we are getting nowhere. I know before they had safestrap to get around the bootloader and flash roms on att devices. Now I'm in for whatever but thought it was worth the discussion. And no I do not know how someone gets paid or whatever or keeps track of funds. I just starting the convo on it.
I support this, as well. I made an uncharacteristically ignorant upgrade from an S5 to the S7 Edge (Sprint - Qualcomm) and hit a roadblock with rooting.
I signed the petition almost the day it was posted. But still no love. Its sad, knowing the one thing holding this device back from reaching its true potential is the stubborn nature of the manufacturer.
Facts & Rant: the biggest complaint about Apple is their communistic business practices. So why would Samsung start emulating Apple? First they stripped the S6 of the two flagship features that set their phones apart from Apple devices (thankfully they brought back the removable storage with the S7), and now the locked bootloader...? This is one reason I've never considered myself a fanboy of any one manufacturer...
Not sure if this thread will become the official bounty thread, but either way: $10 from me to the one whom succeeds.
Does XDA have a crowdfunding module?
The phone stock is amazing with bloat disabler. Not really finding myself caring or needing root. Besk of luck to those that need it. WIll be a long long wait if it ever comes..
kennypow3rs said:
The phone stock is amazing with bloat disabler. Not really finding myself caring or needing root. Besk of luck to those that need it. WIll be a long long wait if it ever comes..
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What did you use to disable bloat?
Luethetechguy said:
What did you use to disable bloat?
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Package disabler in the play store. Best 2 bucks ive ever spent.
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So is there an official bounty for the Spring S7 Edge to get a solid root going (the one and only "solution" seems iffy).
I'm more than happy to contribute.
I've had my damn S7 edge sitting in the box since November and keep using my Note 4 (while my g.f. uses her S7 edge).
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So is there an official bounty for the Spring S7 Edge to get a solid root going (the one and only "solution" seems iffy).
I'm more than happy to contribute.
I've had my damn S7 edge sitting in the box since November and keep using my Note 4 (while my g.f. uses her S7 edge).
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Odin a U firmware...almost like having root. What are you looking for with root specifically? The U may be able to do it
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DAE51D said:
So is there an official bounty for the Spring S7 Edge to get a solid root going (the one and only "solution" seems iffy).
I'm more than happy to contribute.
I've had my damn S7 edge sitting in the box since November and keep using my Note 4 (while my g.f. uses her S7 edge).
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I'm rooted on APL2, on the sprint G930U firmware. It works perfectly aside from no MMS.
For starters I want to backup/restore my data from my Galaxy Note 4. There are many apps that don't save to the cloud still, and also many that don't use the built in MM "backup" that Google provided developers. TitaniumBackup is THE app to use here to ensure true backups. Binary "nandroid" type backups are another feature I'd love to retain I tried Helium but it seems a bit wonky and seems to not backup all my apps. The asinine "Smart Sync" that Samsung provides also does NOT backup the actual data -- only SMS, call logs, pictures and other generic things. Removing any garbage apps is another reason I'd like root. And lastly, I would want to NOT trip Knox so that I can use Fingerprint with PayPal, AndroidPay, SamsungPay and other apps that check that bull**** tripwire.
But honestly, backup of data is the main reason.
The methods I've been reading seem convoluted and nowhere near as easy as Note 4 was to root. I figure if I can throw in $50 or $100 to help the cause, I'm all in...
i am for this. on a side note, i have been using my S7 unrooted since october and i must say im pretty suprised that i haven't missed root all that much.
How much money have you "LOST" due to not being able to root the Galaxy S7/S7 Edge?
So, here we are, April 29th and still no root. I was curious the other day as to how much money I've spent over the years on apps that require root in able to use and were purchased because of the fact that at the time I had a device and always have had one that is rooted. So between the apps such as Clockwork MOD, Chainfires SuperSU, Flashfire, Flashify, Quickboot, ROMToolbox PRO, SDFix, Tasker, OMEGA PRO, Alliance Pro Bronze, Titamium Backup PRO, the endless themes for AOSP theme engine... geez the list goes on.
Final calculations for all apps that I've purchased that are only usable on a device with root = $ 437.88 !!!!
Share your LOST $$$ if you like.
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I plan on sharing this with @JohnLegere once we get a couple of pages going.
For that much money you might as well trade your device in and get something different that can be rooted ... i def feel you though..
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Over the years and iterations of Samsung phones I've been modding less and less. Like with my Note 5 on Sprint. I rooted soon as I got home, Greenify, TB Pro and I was pretty much set for the most part. Stock rooted slimmed down ROM, nothing fancy. I was happy with that. That's really all I want for this S7. When I finally left Sprint (thank goodness!) and made the switch to T-Mobile I really should have checked around here to make sure root was available. I just assumed it was because it's a Samsung phone on T-Mobile and I got so used to my Sprint phones getting root so quickly after launch.
I've been trying out Samsung Pay for a few days now and it's neat but not something I'd miss if I could root the phone. As long as my fingerprint sensor keeps working as it is now with root that would make me happy. I'm just not feeling this battery life I'm getting so far and it's annoying having to manually hibernate my apps with Greenify. I even added the shortcut (with its own custom icon) on my new theme just to make it quick but it's still lame I have to do it manually.
Some folks would suggest just getting another device if root is so important but I don't think we should have to compromise a fantastic device like this S7 and downgrade just to get root. I want to enjoy this new phone WITH root. I'm happy with T-Mobile so far and it's a big improvement over Sprint (I hate them so much) so I really hope they try harder to help get this phone unlocked. They're the most progressive major carrier around these parts and I hope they do us a solid here.
Only $7 for restocking fee after I returned the S7, plus $32 Otterbox case that I can't use. (Anyone wants it, let me know..)
Sailor Gerry said:
Over the years and iterations of Samsung phones I've been modding less and less. Like with my Note 5 on Sprint. I rooted soon as I got home, Greenify, TB Pro and I was pretty much set for the most part. Stock rooted slimmed down ROM, nothing fancy. I was happy with that. That's really all I want for this S7. When I finally left Sprint (thank goodness!) and made the switch to T-Mobile I really should have checked around here to make sure root was available. I just assumed it was because it's a Samsung phone on T-Mobile and I got so used to my Sprint phones getting root so quickly after launch.
I've been trying out Samsung Pay for a few days now and it's neat but not something I'd miss if I could root the phone. As long as my fingerprint sensor keeps working as it is now with root that would make me happy. I'm just not feeling this battery life I'm getting so far and it's annoying having to manually hibernate my apps with Greenify. I even added the shortcut (with its own custom icon) on my new theme just to make it quick but it's still lame I have to do it manually.
Some folks would suggest just getting another device if root is so important but I don't think we should have to compromise a fantastic device like this S7 and downgrade just to get root. I want to enjoy this new phone WITH root. I'm happy with T-Mobile so far and it's a big improvement over Sprint (I hate them so much) so I really hope they try harder to help get this phone unlocked. They're the most progressive major carrier around these parts and I hope they do us a solid here.
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It is truly disappointing at this point. One thing I am sorely missing from root almost more than any of the hundreds of $$ in apps is Viper4Android. My workouts and "In the Zone" work time is suffering for sure. I really wish there was something more we could do, but at this point, only sharing experiences like these can be passed on to the Big Dogs and hope they'll push Samsung to work with TMo to get the bootloader unlocked. Thanks for sharing.
Ah... Viper4Android. Root cannot arrive soon enough! I just woke up and saw a low battery warning on my S7. I went to sleep with 39%.... I don't know what more I can do on this unrooted thing to improve this dang battery!
Firstly, you can't calculate the cost at full price because you have used them prior to switching to the S7. Secondly, you have not lost $438, in fact, as you still have usage access to those apps with another phone that has root.
One would actually make money by participating in the promos: BOGO and reselling the phones, reselling the Gear VRs, and the value of 2 years of Netflix (1 year per device).
Because I'd still rather have root, I found a compromise by doing the promos and getting an International 930F at a good price, and still come out ahead financially.
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Firstly, you can't calculate the cost at full price because you have used them prior to switching to the S7. Secondly, you have not lost $438, in fact, as you still have usage access to those apps with another phone that has root.
One would actually make money by participating in the promos: BOGO and reselling the phones, reselling the Gear VRs, and the value of 2 years of Netflix (1 year per device).
Because I'd still rather have root, I found a compromise by doing the promos and getting an International 930F at a good price, and still come out ahead financially.
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Well "Firstly", I can calculate the cost at whatever I want. I chose to use an easy way by simply looking at my transactions between Google Play and PayPal. And since MOST of them are actively updated, the value for me is still there. Secondly?? I currently DO NOT have another phone that is rooted or have access to one since I''m currently invested in the S7.
Next, I purchased my phone in April, no promotions, no discounts, nothing, so NO, I cannot "ACTUALLY MAKE $HYYT" off of this, so that statement is completely invalid to this situation.
Last, good for you that you found a compromise... AGAIN, not the case here.
So, basically, instead of coming in and answering the question of the topic, you trolled along in here to try and make my argument invalid. Your free to say what ever you want, I don't have a problem with that, but my statement stands, my money spent is spent and that is the facts. We still do not have an exploit to unlock the bootloader, which is another fact. I do not have another phone to enjoy the applications I've purchased for phones that is rooted, still a fact.
R.I.P, made-up $438. Terribly sorry for your virtual loss, OP. Hope you get it right somewhere, some time.
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R.I.P, made-up $438. Terribly sorry for your virtual loss, OP. Hope you get it right somewhere, some time.
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Pppfffttt... move along troll.
What ?! lost ? not being able to root ? what?
For the people who can't or don't want to waste brain cells on figuring it out, he tallied up the costs of various apps that are root-specific or he purchased with root in mind that he can no longer use, which I'm assuming is just an absolute crapload of Theme Engine themes, and came to the number of $438.
Of course, one could argue that in the past, he's gotten his use out of them, or that when he gets a root-able phone, he'll have those apps waiting for him. One could also argue that it's his responsibility to pick the best device for him, therefore doesn't have a right to feel a sense of loss here due to the aforementioned prior use/future availability along with his uninformed decision, despite the reason he was uninformed.
Don't know what good this would do if it was sent to Legere, but hey. That's why this is a free country. Do you, buddy!
LOL...Wow. I thought people would get this a little better than some of the responses that have been left. At least @psych0r3bel had an idea of what I was going for here. Look, it all goes back to the title and specifically "LOST". For the smart alec and those who just don't get it, first of all, let looks at the definition "quote unquote". 1)The phrase "quote unquote" denotes irony or sarcasm. 2)A quotation mark before and after a word means that it is a verbatim recitation. So, to clear it up, this thread was a place for people to share how much money they've spent on devices that have been able to be rooted to use, but with the locked bootloader on the S7, none of the can be used at the time being. So yes, I gather calculated all my Google Play purchases for apps that are only for rootable phones, all the donations on PayPal, essentially, every dollar I've paid towards software for rootable devices. Very simple, very easy, very laymen. It wasn't meant to be anything other than for a place for people to share how much money they've invested towards root. That's it.
And yes, John Legere does take note to this type of communication. I'm not asking for any money back, that's ridiculous. But, these types of threads when shared, do go noticed and gives a little more fuel to add to the fire when communicating with Samsung. If you want to participate and share towards the intentions of the thread, feel free, but if you don't have anything to share, but sarcasm and insults, please move along.
**EDIT** I just wanted to say, maybe if I wouldn't have been sarcastic with the title and been a little more clear what I was looking for, the responses would have been different. The whole purpose of this was for people to take a look and see, how much money they've invested in root since they've started rooting devices. Sorry for any confusion.
Why didn't you add in the cost of every case, extra battery and other accessories that also will not work with your new phone?
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KaptainRandom said:
Why didn't you add in the cost of every case, extra battery and other accessories that also will not work with your new phone?
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Another smart ass comment not related to being rooted. Probably just another loser that never paid for apps or donated to support devs... SMH.
Mods, please close this thread.
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Another smart ass comment not related to being rooted. Probably just another loser that never paid for apps or donated to support devs... SMH.
Mods, please close this thread.
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I've been supporting devs and paying for/donating to developement since my first 'smart' phone TouchPro2.
Every device I have had since has been uniquely different.
Some of the customization (including apps/mods/acc) have been transferable,
Some (including apps/mods/acc) have not been transferable.
But, the expectation that they MUST be transferable is junvenile.
So many people like you with your demanding expectations have chased the real devs away.
You want root so bad,
learn like others have,
become a real dev and stop demanding others do it for you.
You purchased an unroot and bootloader locked phone.
You should have no expectation of root apps working on it.
unless/until you root/unlock it yourself.
With or without the generous knowledge/help of others.
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Mike