So i was on lenovo forums and found this (its for 1575 btw):
"Ok, so I've seen all the posts and comments. *I know Moto / Lenovo does not comment on Impending updates.
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However.
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When I called Moto Support Yesterday, I was told by two different reps that this phone's update schedule has changed, and it will no longer be recieving 7.0, or any further updates above 6.01, other than google supplied security updates.
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Even funnier, when I asked how I was supposed to get my promised update, the rep told me to Unlock my bootloader and "Google for a nougat update, Just be carefull of hacked versions" (NOT Kidding)
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When I asked for an ID or other information so I could track the seconnd call, I recieved reference number*170605-001691.
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What u guys think?
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Regular Motorola Lenovo support people have no idea and are not in the loop on updates. That is why if and when you are chosen for beta test you are told not to call them.
Since the main Nougat thread was needlessly closed, I haven't been able to keep track: has 7.0 rolled out for the XT1572 everywhere (i.e., across all of Europe) or are some major countries still waiting?
If it's rolled out everywhere else, there's absolutely no reason to think the XT1575 will ever receive Nougat. Why would there be a multi-week or multi-month gap for a device that's essentially identical? It probably has to do with CDMA issues and/or carriers demanding $$ for an approval process before they allow Nougat-ified 1575's on their network.
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Since the main Nougat thread was needlessly closed, I haven't been able to keep track: has 7.0 rolled out for the XT1572 everywhere (i.e., across all of Europe) or are some major countries still waiting?
If it's rolled out everywhere else, there's absolutely no reason to think the XT1575 will ever receive Nougat. Why would there be a multi-week or multi-month gap for a device that's essentially identical? It probably has to do with CDMA issues and/or carriers demanding $$ for an approval process before they allow Nougat-ified 1575's on their network.
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The main thread was closed from all of the arguing and was intended to keep track of the XT1575 update. Since nothing new was happening for months, it only made sense to lock it to save the admins from getting another headache from cleaning the thread again. It would be nice to have a good place to see where else the XT1572's have been getting updates though
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Since the main Nougat thread was needlessly closed, I haven't been able to keep track: has 7.0 rolled out for the XT1572 everywhere (i.e., across all of Europe) or are some major countries still waiting?
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XT1570 Style (China)
Still on Lollipop, no updates expected
XT1572 Style
UK - Not yet
EU - Most (supposedly not all variants yet)
Asia - Yes
Latin America - Yes
XT1575 Pure
North America - Not yet
And the main Nougat thread needed to be closed, it had to be cleaned by Mods several times a week because of constant arguing, bickering, whining, and needless Moto bashing that even got rather hostile at times. Leave to a few to ruin it for everyone.
One of Motorola forum administration said, that rep provided a wrong information, and they "recruite" him better. No official info about cancellation of update was provided, so I think we have a small hope.
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One of Motorola forum administration said, that rep provided a wrong information, and they "recruite" him better. No official info about cancellation of update was provided, so I think we have a small hope.
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Seriously? We will get the update... The last "beta" was just sent to testers only a few weeks ago (early August I believe) because they were still having issues with Nougat on the XT1575, and once it has been approved and found to be stable it is usually rolled within 30 days.
The mentioned "obsolete" and "we are not getting an update per customer service" is crap, and has been CLEARLY disproved on Moto's official forums... did a rep say that? Apparently they did, but they were flat out wrong... they did not have the knowledge or the authority to do so.
TBH, this update for the Pure has been a PR nightmare for Moto... they don't talk about it (which is not new, Moto has been tight lipped about software updates since before Google bought them) and it is taking a ridiculously long time to get a stable ROM, the beta testers have had significant issues with several builds, even hard brick issues early on when performing a factory reset.
Although I get people's frustration, how do you think people would feel if they they got an update, then did a factory reset for whatever reason, and the device bricked because of it?
I know it sucks... but seriously what is it going to do for you? Other than a few gimmicks that Nougat has that Marshmallow does not, the update does NOTHING for this device, no new camera API, no Vulcan support, no VoLTE, no Pixel Launcher, not even updated Moto apps. You get multi-window which honestly barely has a usable function, and clear all in recents, which is also not really important, and Google Allo added at the system level (yeah, OK, nobody uses it I know).
Patience, it will come when it's ready... I honestly don't care anymore if it comes or not because by the end of the year I will be moving on to something else since this one will be pushing 20 months for me and it is just time to move on.
I'm on an XT1572 Style, which I purchased online -- I'm guessing diverted from EU markets, since the update announcements were always in French. Nougat 7.0 has made this phone unbearable to use -- 1-3sec lags on most interface interactions, and up to 5 seconds when it feels like it. I've followed the advice from Moto support to fix it, including a hard factory reset. I agree with the post above that 7.0 adds very little value to the phone. I'm angry enough to look into a consumer law action against Motorola for the replacement value. And there is no way in hell I will be buying another Moto device -- looking hard at the OnePlus 3T.
Just received nougat 7.0 this morning for my moto x pure edition. Installed the software in 30 min. Noticed the app files are larger. Everything runs smoothly so far. The phone is a XT1575 32GB. It was a very long wait. Located in Coeur D Alene, ID. Jerry Purchased from Best Buy, unlocked, Retail
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Ok, I love my Moto Maxx. I knew I will get limited support, limited developers support, even compared to its less capable cousin Moto X. But I didn't expect this much suffering.
People are trying to unlock bootloader, update, root, and months after months of struggles and hard work from our beloved contributing developers.
For the US Verizon customers, it was the bootload and root, then after months of trying they got it and it was the update they were promised by the end of 2014 which just arrived, then the cycle starts over.
For us, the international Moto Maxx users, we gambled big, the phone is only known in a few countries with no real developer support but it was (as I said before) a SuperPhone. Unlocking bootload and rooting for us wasn't that hard, but here we are waiting and waiting for the lollipop update (I'm still on 4.4.4) and for the work corporate apps I am using I cannot root or use CM sadly.
I hereby declare the Droid franchise developer and power users unfriendly. I would like to extend this to any phone that is not worldwide mainstream. I will think a million times before doing this to myself again, despite the battery and superior user experience.
My company offered to buy me an iphone 6 (lol) or a Samsung galaxy s6 or s6 edge and I said no and jumped through hoops to get approval to use my Moto Maxx. I regret this completely. The first chance I will get, I will revisit this, I might get lucky and get them to get me the new international version of Moto X 2015.
So yes, this is an open letter to Motorola and Verizon. This is a whiny complainy angry thread and you can all express your feelings about this here.
I am keeping an open mind and still giving Motorola another chance. After all they have tried hard to look at our user experience pain points and provide good solutions for it.
So I hope I have learned my lesson. I hope I don't fall for this trap again. Even if this means I lose touchless controls, assist, twist to camera and active display which became part of my daily routine.
What do you guys think? am I over reacting?
Kiwironic said:
Ok, I love my Moto Maxx. I knew I will get limited support, limited developers support, even compared to its less capable cousin Moto X. But I didn't expect this much suffering.
People are trying to unlock bootloader, update, root, and months after months of struggles and hard work from our beloved contributing developers.
For the US Verizon customers, it was the bootload and root, then after months of trying they got it and it was the update they were promised by the end of 2014 which just arrived, then the cycle starts over.
For us, the international Moto Maxx users, we gambled big, the phone is only known in a few countries with no real developer support but it was (as I said before) a SuperPhone. Unlocking bootload and rooting for us wasn't that hard, but here we are waiting and waiting for the lollipop update (I'm still on 4.4.4) and for the work corporate apps I am using I cannot root or use CM sadly.
I hereby declare the Droid franchise developer and power users unfriendly. I would like to extend this to any phone that is not worldwide mainstream. I will think a million times before doing this to myself again, despite the battery and superior user experience.
My company offered to buy me an iphone 6 (lol) or a Samsung galaxy s6 or s6 edge and I said no and jumped through hoops to get approval to use my Moto Maxx. I regret this completely. The first chance I will get, I will revisit this, I might get lucky and get them to get me the new international version of Moto X 2015.
So yes, this is an open letter to Motorola and Verizon. This is a whiny complainy angry thread and you can all express your feelings about this here.
I am keeping an open mind and still giving Motorola another chance. After all they have tried hard to look at our user experience pain points and provide good solutions for it.
So I hope I have learned my lesson. I hope I don't fall for this trap again. Even if this means I lose touchless controls, assist, twist to camera and active display which became part of my daily routine.
What do you guys think? am I over reacting?
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Every variant of this phone can be updated to Lollipop. Seems like your problem is your employer since the Maxx has an unlockable bootloader and CyanogenMod. Yeah the support for these devices has been horrible but oh well.
Cobra04 said:
Every variant of this phone can be updated to Lollipop. Seems like your problem is your employer since the Maxx has an unlockable bootloader and CyanogenMod. Yeah the support for these devices has been horrible but oh well.
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I would have considered CM if it had support for touchless controls, assist, twist to camera and active display. These are important to me, and some of the reason I went for the Moto Maxx. What you are saying is, I should give up most of the features I got this phone for just to get lollipop??? How convenient is that?
Motorola nor Verizon have anything to do with CM, my pain points are not coming from CM but from Motorola.
Kiwironic said:
Ok, I love my Moto Maxx. I knew I will get limited support, limited developers support, even compared to its less capable cousin Moto X. But I didn't expect this much suffering.
People are trying to unlock bootloader, update, root, and months after months of struggles and hard work from our beloved contributing developers.
For the US Verizon customers, it was the bootload and root, then after months of trying they got it and it was the update they were promised by the end of 2014 which just arrived, then the cycle starts over.
For us, the international Moto Maxx users, we gambled big, the phone is only known in a few countries with no real developer support but it was (as I said before) a SuperPhone. Unlocking bootload and rooting for us wasn't that hard, but here we are waiting and waiting for the lollipop update (I'm still on 4.4.4) and for the work corporate apps I am using I cannot root or use CM sadly.
I hereby declare the Droid franchise developer and power users unfriendly. I would like to extend this to any phone that is not worldwide mainstream. I will think a million times before doing this to myself again, despite the battery and superior user experience.
My company offered to buy me an iphone 6 (lol) or a Samsung galaxy s6 or s6 edge and I said no and jumped through hoops to get approval to use my Moto Maxx. I regret this completely. The first chance I will get, I will revisit this, I might get lucky and get them to get me the new international version of Moto X 2015.
So yes, this is an open letter to Motorola and Verizon. This is a whiny complainy angry thread and you can all express your feelings about this here.
I am keeping an open mind and still giving Motorola another chance. After all they have tried hard to look at our user experience pain points and provide good solutions for it.
So I hope I have learned my lesson. I hope I don't fall for this trap again. Even if this means I lose touchless controls, assist, twist to camera and active display which became part of my daily routine.
What do you guys think? am I over reacting?
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You can't really call yourself a power user and gloss over the fact you could have flashed Lollipop many months ago. It doesn't even have to be CM.
I don't get why your phone is still on 4.4.4. I'm running stock 5.0.2 with all the features that you like
Yawn.
I'm not sure why this is a surprise. The DX, released 5 years ago, and the next generations are on the same boat.
IMO, rooting and custom ROMs is not the same as it used to be as Android has taken so many steps forward.
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Moto MAXX XT1225 got stock Lollipop back in March, soon after Moto Turbo XT1225 (same device, same FCC ID) launched with Lollipop in India. 5.0.2.
I ran stock 5.0.2 for months on my Puerto Rico Moto Maxx, and on my Mexico Moto Maxx.
It was the Droid Turbo XT1254 stuck on 4.4.4, not the XT1225.
The stock 5.0.2 files are in the development section, if you want to flash them. For Brazil, Mexico and India.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3063470
Claro in Puerto Rico (and I think Chile, also) had a falling out with Motorola, so the Puerto Rico/Chile Moto Maxx never got an official OTA to 5.0.2. But if you have Puerto Rico XT1225, you just flash your phone to another country and get 5.0.2. Or flash the 5.0.2 image of your choice (Brazil, Mexico, India).
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Stock 5.1 is coming for the XT1225, but custom ROM 5.1.1 has been here for months. There's two custom 5.1.1 ROMs available -- one is AOSP, not CM based. So development support is here.
AOSP:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3108708
CM 12.1:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3060089
We also have cool boot logos and animations like these:
BOOT ANIMATION
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3141711
BOOT LOGO
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3065141
(Many more, just an example of each.)
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However, you say you can't run custom ROM, that you have to stay stock. Therefore, why have you not flashed stock 5.0.2 which has been available for the XT1225 since March?
I care less about CM for Quark but i am surprised to see that nobody released a stock based rom for our phones yet.
Semseddin said:
I care less about CM for Quark but i am surprised to see that nobody released a stock based rom for our phones yet.
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There's an AOSP one. I know, not exactly the same as "stock". But we do have two completely different custom 5.1.1 ROMs.
You can also run stock 5.0.2, root and run xposed/Gravity Box and get as few or as many custom ROM features you want... While remaining on stock.
I would be very fine if someone provided us a custom rom based on stock brazil build of maxx, just something like computerfreak provided to Turbo users. It is funny that what i wanted for my phone is already available for the bootloader locked variant and missing from our bootloader free variant. This very well explains the popularity of the device within people is the key to its development potencial.
edit : even opened a request thread for it but nobody gave a f. , even our maxx users, leave alone the uninterested developers.
i think we should collect 450$ and buy juacos's maxx to a developer who would be happily developing good stuff for us.
i totally agree, last year i got the droid maxx and it had little development but i thought that the moto maxx being released worldwide would have a lot of support, i really love motorola, but i dont like this, its like having a lamborgini that only you can drive, theres no much development, i regret trading my oneplus one, it even had better battery than my moto maxx, and worse camera but under same usage my battery lasted more than moto maxx and the speakers were louder, this year i think i will buy a moto x or the new oneplus two, its real sad to write this but its the truth. no more moto maxx or droid maxx for me.
So I change to Mexican rom to be able to get 5.0.2 and then what? I don't force upgrades unless I see a clear upgrade path. If then Motorola releases an 5.1 OTA upgrade from 4.4.4 for PR and not Mexico, then I am screwed. I don't take the downgrading risk.
Being a power user doesn't mean I go foolishly and pick the only upgrade path and not worry about the future. I don't gamble with my devices.
Anyway, yesterday Motorola has announced 5.0.2 for PR among many other versions. I will post the updates in this thread
International Moto Maxx 5.1 official update (Non Droid Turbo)
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So I change to Mexican rom to be able to get 5.0.2 and then what? I don't force upgrades unless I see a clear upgrade path. If then Motorola releases an 5.1 OTA upgrade from 4.4.4 for PR and not Mexico, then I am screwed. I don't take the downgrading risk.
Being a power user doesn't mean I go foolishly and pick the only upgrade path and not worry about the future. I don't gamble with my devices.
Anyway, yesterday Motorola has announced 5.0.2 for PR among many other versions. I will post the updates in this thread
International Moto Maxx 5.1 official update (Non Droid Turbo)
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Power users and developers absolutely gamble with their devices. What it really comes down to is not about being power user nor developer friendly, but instead you want frequent and fast updates. The only device that will give you that is a Nexus and at this time you can have that on Verizon too.
Your stance defies everything an unlocked bootloader stands for.
Kiwironic said:
So I change to Mexican rom to be able to get 5.0.2 and then what? I don't force upgrades unless I see a clear upgrade path. If then Motorola releases an 5.1 OTA upgrade from 4.4.4 for PR and not Mexico, then I am screwed. I don't take the downgrading risk.
Being a power user doesn't mean I go foolishly and pick the only upgrade path and not worry about the future. I don't gamble with my devices.
Anyway, yesterday Motorola has announced 5.0.2 for PR among many other versions. I will post the updates in this thread
International Moto Maxx 5.1 official update (Non Droid Turbo)
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As Mexico, Brazil and India factory unlocked phones got 5.0.2 first, I imagine they will get 5.1 first.
Under no scenario does Claro Puerto Rico phones get 5.1 and factory unlocked XT1225 (Mexico, Brazil, India) does not.
You say Motorola has just announced 5.0.2 for Puerto Rico Claro. Well, this is mid July. Factory unlocked has had it since March, and will soon get 5.1 stock.
You sound a little silly saying if you flash the XT1225 to another country image or another Android version, you can't flash back if you want. Many people have flashed to 5.0.2 to custom ROM 5.1 and back to 4.4.4 on the XT 1225. One guy -- @Fulbring -- said he's done it at least 5 times... See this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=61498706
Many flashed to India, then to Brazil, then to Mexico to see difference (if any) in performance. You can also downgrade back to 4.4.4.
I flashed my Puerto Rico Moto Maxx 4.4.4 to India 5.0.2 and then to CM 12.1 Lollipop 5.1. I could easily flash it back to Claro Puerto Rico 4.4.4, if I wanted.
There's instructions. You just have to read. @Jaocagomez wrote an excellent thread about all this. See here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3074724
The key is having an unlocked bootloader. Where people have gotten into trouble is trying to flash update with locked bootloader.
I guess you guys are really happy with what you got. I expressed my opinion and not going to change it to please you.
I think Motorola can do better than this, and I think we deserve better than this. I will leave you guys to give me more lessons about how to be a power user.
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I guess you guys are really happy with what you got. I expressed my opinion and not going to change it to please you.
I think Motorola can do better than this, and I think we deserve better than this. I will leave you guys to give me more lessons about how to be a power user.
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I'm not disagreeing that Motorola dropped the ball on the XT1225 with a narrow release, instead of a world wide release that would have included Europe, all of Asia, and Canada. It is a super phone, and Motorola made people jump through hoops to get it.
It should have been as widely released as the Moto X, or even better this is the phone Motorola should have released as the Moto X.
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But still running 4.4.4 on the XT1225 is your fault, not Motorola. This phone -- the XT1225 -- has had stock 5.0.2 since March on all factory unlocked phones and many Brazil and Mexico carriers and you refuse to flash it on your XT1225.
There's clear instructions on how to do it. Instead you are waiting for a specific carrier OTA, when you do not need to do so.
The XT1225 is the same device across all regions, all countries. The India Moto Turbo XT1225 IDENTICAL in every way to the Latin America Moto Maxx XT2225.
Many, many people in these threads have upgraded, downgraded 4.4.4 to 5.02 and back again, flashed images from different countries, to prove it's not hard -- since our bootloader can be unlocked. The Droid Turbo XT1254 owners WISH they had our advantage!
The only reason I did not change region as I mentioned before is to be sure about a good upgrade path. However, since all updates indicates that BR has the highest chance for 5.1 update, then I have just flashed stock BR. People report that they are able to upgrade then downgrade, while others report bricked on downgrade. A smart user knows that gpt doesn't like being downgraded, and so I will not try this path.
I don't want just to update to lollipop, first of all I do not want to lose themoto features I already have, flashing custom or CM will not help, as it doesn't support the stock moto features. 5.0.2 is buggy and less secure and I do not want to flash it unless I have evidence 5.1 is around the corner. (even before having corporate apps)
Here I am now with BR stock, OTA updates are not available, I think I will have to flash the OTA manually. Let's see how that goes.
Now, since I am being accused of being "unreasonable", the question here is, are you satisfied with how Motorola is handling the device??? You can answer this question (at least to yourself) or you can just blame things on me and lecture me on how to be a power user because you know all about it
Up to you.
Thanks to all of you who objectively expressed your opinion without the bullying attitude some adopt.
I've had just about every Samsung phone since the galaxy S2 and note 1. I've also had the old razor maxx by Motorola and it was horrible. I have the droid turbo un rooted and I have to say it's been the best phone I've ever had. It's fast, great battery, awesome features. I don't care to root anymore because I personally don't see an advantage to it. Please don't argue with me, it's just my point of view for me. I love LP so far. And since the camera update this phone to me is flawless. I think you may be over reacting a bit OP.
@MaxX folks around the world, since we didn't pay for root or bl unlock, maybe we could collect some money and donate a mint condition moto maxx device to a developer who would develop rom / kernel support for his & our devices.. We could have had the faux123 kernel, imagine that with 3900mah battery.
Marshmallow beta update coming to T-Mobile Priv customers in 24 hours http://androidtickers.com/2016/04/21/marshmallow-beta-arriving-today-t-mobile-blackberry-priv/
Please share your thoughts and impressions as you get the update.
Reminder: the beta has an NDA associated to it, so keep NDA-breaking content out of the discussion.
Still waiting for AT&T branded Priv....
jona_12 said:
Marshmallow beta update coming to T-Mobile Priv customers in 24 hours http://androidtickers.com/2016/04/21/marshmallow-beta-arriving-today-t-mobile-blackberry-priv/
Please share your thoughts and impressions as you get the update.
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This type of discussion should be kept in the Blackberry Beta Zone forums and not here. If you are part of the beta program then you can read a lot of posts about how other users in the Beta are not happy with those that are leaking because it can cause a complete shutdown of the Beta Program as it did with the BB 10 Beta. So we don't end up with what is going on at CrackBerry I recommend that the mods lock this thread as any posts about the beta violate the NDA that we all in the program signed.
Why would be any NDA on a beta testing?
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and what about articles on big sites about this news ? how would you stop them ?
MM on priv is awesome! Great battery life!
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and what about articles on big sites about this news ? how would you stop them ?
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I am sure that if Blackberry wanted to fully stop them... they would under the NDA. They have done this in the past with leakers. All I am stating is that people who participate in a program with an NDA should follow the rules. People that don't follow the rules are the ones that ruin it for everyone else and normally the first ones to complain about something being taken away. This is because they don't get to be a hero and post information.
Please keep communications about the Beta in the Beta Zone. This way we don't lose the ability for future testing of software from Blackberry, like they did with BB10.
I want to add that the reason there is an NDA is so people don't release a copy of the OS, screenshots and other data. That is because this is a Beta and Blackberry was nice enough to let users test it and have input into what they would like to see in the OS and find bugs that need to be fixed. Blackberry could have done like a lot of other OEMs and kept everything internal until release.
My stance on this is that we have not received anything from RIM about this being copyrighted, or a C&D or anything of the sort.
If someone agrees to an NDA, then that is between them and the entity with whom they agree on an NDA.
But according to the link provided in the OP, it says nothing about anything being confidential in any way, nor does it preclude our forum users from discussing it.
So we will watch the thread but right now I see no reason to close it or take action on it.
Public Release
http://www.marketwired.com/press-re...n-android-marshmallow-nasdaq-bbry-2118387.htm
Android 6.0.1 has been public released by BB. Still delayed for carrier purchased devices but if you have a non-carrier purchased device you should start getting it. The beta program will still go on. So if you want to join you can.
Telus also shaduled MM for priv and the date decided is may 3
This is my first time coming back to the forums in a while after upgrading from my old Droid 4. I just got a notification on mine about a system update. I take it this is the Marshmallow upgrade. My Priv is Verizon branded. I'll go ahead and install it.
Edit: Still running 5.1.1. Not too sure what all was updated.
DJ2226 said:
This is my first time coming back to the forums in a while after upgrading from my old Droid 4. I just got a notification on mine about a system update. I take it this is the Marshmallow upgrade. My Priv is Verizon branded. I'll go ahead and install it.
Edit: Still running 5.1.1. Not too sure what all was updated.
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I would say no as Verizon devices are not in the Beta. I would say that might be a security update. Blackberry has been great in sending out the security updates.
BlackBerry expands their Android beta program to include BlackBerry-authored apps
To anyone else in the UK with an unlocked Priv from CPW (STV100-4), like me who is fed up of waiting for the OTA Marshmallow update. I followed the instructions on BB's official support page here to install MM: http://uk.blackberry.com/content/bl...pport/smartphones/blackberry-PRIV/reload.html
Does involve a factory reset though but works great
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Got the OTA Marshmallow update today (STV100-4 one from CPW in the UK). Gone from the manually flashed version above (Android 6.0.1 Build AAE570) to the OTA version (still 6.0.1 AAF057), not spotted any changes yet other than now having the June 1st security patch included.
I also got this update yesterday. For me it improved performance quite a bit and battery life seemed to be better, as far as I can tell from a few hours of usage.
But my annoying problem with the phone randomly not deep sleeping anymore, being awake permanently until a reboot and draining my battery is still there.
Since Motorola / Lenovo now seem happy to abandon support for Moto G handsets within months of release, I thought it might be helpful to compile a list of OEMs that promise publicly (and hopefully deliver in timely fashion) 18 Months or more software support. I will update this post and clarify points when necessary.
Obviously Google's 'Pixel' and Samsung Flagship phones are in a completely different price-range to Moto G, but I'll include them for the sake of understanding the current situation.
Google 'Pixel' - Software Updates: 2 Years / Security fixes: 3 Years - Current Price: €700 / $625.
Samsung - Software Updates: Unknown / Security fixes: Monthly fixes promised (Depending on handset)
Huawei 'Honor' handsets - starting with Honor 8 - Software Updates: 2 Years / Security fixes: 2 Years (link) Current Price: €300 / $280. Note: 'Major updates at least once every three months.'
Perhaps there will be some announcements from Google / OEMs / Chipset manufacturers at this year's CES starting next week.
Posting to follow... Call me a Negative Nelly here, but until OEMs can prove that they will actually stand behind a 18/24 month update policy, except for Nexus/Pixel devices, I'm not buying it. Huawei has a rather spotty track record with updates, as does Samsung (although they improved a lot recently with their higher-end models).
That said, don't count out the ZTE Axon line just yet, they haven't came right out and said 2 years support (although they do have a 2 year warranty standard), but more along the lines of they want to step into the Nexus lines shoes in the $300-$400 price range, and have implied that meant updates, but NOT the same developer support, as Google gives the Nexus line... I will admit that I am surprised to see my son's Axon 7 get an update the first week of every month since he got it, granted that's only 2 updates so far and no Nougat yet.
Don't forget that in 2012 and 2014, Google tried to get OEMs to agree to a 18-24 month update policy, most OEMs accepted in 2012 and failed, few agreed in 2014 other than in principle to improve update time lines. In terms of upgrades/updates, Android is a fragmented mess... just the way it is.
The Huawei Honor 8 was apparently selling for $250 during Black Friday; so around $50 more than the price of a Moto G 4th Gen, but with some assurance of updates. The downside is that due to their UI (and customisation), that handset is not getting Nougat until February 2017.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/1...r-8-will-receive-nougat-emui-5-february-2017/
It's perhaps worth contemplating that the nexus of Moto G was during a time when Google was an OEM - by owning Motorola Mobility. That time is here again, now that Google are manufacturing (more or less) it's own handsets. Could we see a $200 Pixel variant with 24 Months of software support this year? Would it have to be Daydream VR compatible? Maybe it's possible with some future revision of the Snapdragon 6XX chipset.
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It's perhaps worth contemplating that the nexus of Moto G was during a time when Google was an OEM - by owning Motorola Mobility. That time is here again, now that Google are manufacturing (more or less) it's own handsets. Could we see a $200 Pixel variant with 24 Months of software support this year? Would it have to be Daydream VR compatible? Maybe it's possible with some future revision of the Snapdragon 6XX chipset.
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Google is manufacturing handsets?!?! I was pretty sure these were HTC (or whatever OEM) with an agreement that the OEM's brand would be on the device?
I like your thinking though, even if it's only a dream...
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Google is manufacturing handsets?!?! I was pretty sure these were HTC (or whatever OEM) with an agreement that the OEM's brand would be on the device?
I like your thinking though, even if it's only a dream...
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Google are clearly trying to present themselves as an OEM (no mention of HTC during Pixel phone launch show) and they are actively exercising ever greater control of what is being produced, not to mention still owning patents (maybe irrelevant) from the Motorola Mobility acquisition. It just seems to me that the pieces are in place to see a true spiritual successor to the Moto G - if Google really wanted such a thing to happen.
"There is no HTC branding because this is a Google phone that brings together premium hardware by multiple partners to serve a best in class software experience for users," said a company spokesman.
https://www.cnet.com/uk/news/google-pixel-htc-xl-phone-cold-comfort-nexus-silent-partner
The Huawei 'Honor 6X' has been revealed and conveys a very questionable attitude towards updates.
During the phone's presentation at CES 2017 in Las Vegas, Honor revealed that it's planning to update the new smartphone to Android 7.0 Nougat in the second quarter of the year. This means as soon as April, and as late as June 2017.
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Will this lax attitude be how they apply their '24 month update promise' to their more expensive handsets?
lost101 said:
The Huawei 'Honor 6X' has been revealed and conveys a very questionable attitude towards updates.
Will this lax attitude be how they apply their '24 month update promise' to their more expensive handsets?
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Android Police has little faith in Huawei... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl7lMp3TZfg
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Android Police has little faith in Huawei... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl7lMp3TZfg
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It's good to see AP tell it how it is. Many of the other reviews gloss over the situation. I was seriously considering a 'Honor' phone as my next handset, but now I'm really cautious about them.
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It's good to see AP tell it how it is. Many of the other reviews gloss over the situation. I was seriously considering a 'Honor' phone as my next handset, but now I'm really cautious about them.
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Yeah, you would most likely hate the interface anyway emui is like a cross between LG and Apple interface... My son had a HAM2 and doesn't mod or change anything, within 15 minutes he was discovering Nova Launcher and SwiftKey. When he was looking for a new phone a couple months ago he looked at the Honor 5x and the specs looked good until he asked if it had that "emui thing" like his old one and when I said yes, he just said no.
From what we have seen of Huawei, great hardware for the money but terrible software, bad enough to ruin the whole user experience for the average user (and as a stock Android fan, it frustrated me when I had to help him too).
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Yeah, you would most likely hate the interface anyway emui is like a cross between LG and Apple interface... My son had a HAM2 and doesn't mod or change anything, within 15 minutes he was discovering Nova Launcher and SwiftKey. When he was looking for a new phone a couple months ago he looked at the Honor 5x and the specs looked good until he asked if it had that "emui thing" like his old one and when I said yes, he just said no.
From what we have seen of Huawei, great hardware for the money but terrible software, bad enough to ruin the whole user experience for the average user (and as a stock Android fan, it frustrated me when I had to help him too).
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At this point I was prepared to 'gut' the UI to reduce irritation and improve performance. But I suppose it's not unfair to assume if a phone has a sloppy UI, it's going to have sloppy software support also.
Google is expanding its “Android One” program for low-cost smartphones to the U.S in coming months, promising phone makers major new promotional dollars if they play by its rules, say three people briefed on the plan. *
The first phone to launch in the U.S. with Google’s Android One seal of approval, backed by an ad campaign funded by Google, is expected before the middle of the year. It will be made by a phone manufacturer whose identity couldn’t be learned. It will be different from other Android phones because it will guarantee timely software updates, including security updates, for two years from sale date, one of the people said. That’s something Android often fails to do, unlike Apple. The phone is expected to be priced in the $200-$300 price range, said two of the people.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/5om7lg/googles_new_stab_at_boosting_android_brand_in_us/
This is what I have been waiting for. A budget version of the Google Pixel (with Daydream VR support *fingers crossed*)
Finally, our source has indicated to us that Google is internally testing a “few” prototypes of a device they referred to as “Pixel 2B”, which would purportedly be released either “alongside or shortly after Pixel 2”. This phone would bring with it a lower-price point and less powerful hardware, and would be “aimed at different markets,” our source says. Google’s end goal is to bring the “Google experience and the Google Phone to emerging markets,” which is something the company definitely has shown a passion for in the past.
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https://9to5google.com/2017/01/26/s...amera-chipset-waterproof-budget-price-details
"realistic" Kris here... I remember that a small bunch of us were hanging on waiting for a L update for the Moto Atrix HD. The moto web site actually said we were supposed to get it. Of course it never happened. I noticed with amusement that (it looked like) everybody but the USA got 6.0.1 for the Moto G3. I always assumed that 6.0.1 was more trouble that it was worth so didn't mind. I have been away from flashing custom ROMs for at least 9 months so was a bit surprised to find a group here waiting for N on the Moto G3. Never happen. Not financially useful for them. Can't sell new phones if they do. They only ever lose just a few folks from buying a phone. 95% just don't care - wouldn't know what an update was.
Phones like the Pixel are expensive and can serve as a testbed for releases/fixes. It's a win/win for google.
Just my 2 cents. Getting off soapbox. (just flashed Legacy 0207)
i bought new Lenovo mobile again
have to see what happens to it its still stuck at Nov security patch with Marshmallow on top
hmm.. lenovo p2 is my new mobile, god knows about its updates .......
Moto g3 will stay on Marshmallow...Moto India confirmed...
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Moto g3 will stay on Marshmallow...Moto India confirmed...
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This has been official news since October... http://blog.motorola.com/2016/10/04...d-7-0-is-coming-to-your-favorite-moto-phones/
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This has been official news since October... http://blog.motorola.com/2016/10/04...d-7-0-is-coming-to-your-favorite-moto-phones/
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In Motorola's portal Moto said that Moto E3 power will stay in marshmallow but they announced nothing like this for osprey...in osprey it is said that the device got marshmallow update...no such thing like Moto E3 power...it is also thought Motorola will announce a second list...but now the news is confirmed
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In Motorola's portal Moto said that Moto E3 power will stay in marshmallow but they announced nothing like this for osprey...in osprey it is said that the device got marshmallow update...no such thing like Moto E3 power...it is also thought Motorola will announce a second list...but now the news is confirmed
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No offense, but I never heard any rumors that Moto might announce a second list... The list hasn't changed, the exception was made for the E3P because it's release date was so close to this list, late Sept if I recall correctly, and the list was announced Oct, so everyone assumed it would get Nougat but they were wrong, it was a logical exception. In other words, the original list is still correct for the devices that were available at the time.
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No offense, but I never heard any rumors that Moto might announce a second list... The list hasn't changed, the exception was made for the E3P because it's release date was so close to this list, late Sept if I recall correctly, and the list was announced Oct, so everyone assumed it would Nougat but they were wrong, it was a logical exception. In other words, the original list is still correct for the devices that were available at the time.
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Okay...then I am extremely sorry for my post...
Is there ANY development towards official Oreo? A hidden soak test maybe?
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Is there ANY development towards official Oreo? A hidden soak test maybe?
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None that I know of
Honestly, I expected by now to have heard something, anything really, about a MFN beta or soak test for Oreo... but nothing, it's been pure crickets. I have little hope of Oreo being seen "soon".
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Honestly, I expected by now to have heard something, anything really, about a MFN beta or soak test for Oreo... but nothing, it's been pure crickets. I have little hope of Oreo being seen "soon".
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I sometimes fear they will ditch g5plus too like moto g4.
I bought this device because of promised oreo update. And hoped treble would be possible with some tricks.
When i used moto e 1st gen i received soak test mail in mid Feb after a survey in Jan. Indian received soak test after brazil.
There has been no survey yet! Man i am sad!
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I sometimes fear they will ditch g5plus too like moto g4.
I bought this device because of promised oreo update. And hoped treble would be possible with some tricks.
When i used moto e 1st gen i received soak test mail in mid Feb after a survey in Jan. Indian received soak test after brazil.
There has been no survey yet! Man i am sad!
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They won't ditch our device.. if they promised oreo for the G4 plus it is guaranteed that we will receive it before it.
I'm being optimist and guessing that a hidden soak test is happening right now (a lenovo mod said that motorola was working ln oreo for the G5+, i guess he means in soak tests) and that in april we'll receive oreo.
That's my last stop, in may i'll be flashing 8.1.0 if nothing happens..
I mean, i left a Nokia phone at a nice price for this device, because i always loved motorola.. guess i'm done now, wether we receive oreo or not..
Only if your battery lasts out, then no reason for them to supply update, just wondering from the manufacture's point of view, might seem cynical but they only make money out of sales, not update's.
ps works for every manufacture, simple science, make product, produce money
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They won't ditch our device.. if they promised oreo for the G4 plus it is guaranteed that we will receive it before it.
I'm being optimist and guessing that a hidden soak test is happening right now (a lenovo mod said that motorola was working ln oreo for the G5+, i guess he means in soak tests) and that in april we'll receive oreo.
That's my last stop, in may i'll be flashing 8.1.0 if nothing happens..
I mean, i left a Nokia phone at a nice price for this device, because i always loved motorola.. guess i'm done now, wether we receive oreo or not..
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Lol... Keep your delusions. There made no "promise", only the normal blog statement back in September. If they said the G4 Plus would get it as well there is nothing saying the G5 has to get it first.
"Working on it" dies not equate necssarily to a hidden soak test, could just be on the dev teams daily morning meeting to do list. Soak test procedures are pretty well defined. About 30 days prior to beginning of soak test, a survey goes out to a group of MFN users, about 50% of that group will be selected for it. We almost always hear about both of these steps in the forums and on news sites, and so far nothing. The surveys usually prompt questions in the forums, and the initial beta releases to members of the group usually prompt release rumors even by Android news organizations.
Then a 30-45 day trial starts, if all goes well about 30 days after the test ends, the update is released. If it doesn't go well, it goes back to dev team and starts over with the same group. This can take a while, for the Moto X Pure it took almost a full year with Surveys and beta group selection beginning in Feb 2017 and the final Nougat roll-out completing in January this year.
I honestly do not expect to see Oreo until mid to end of Summer season at the earliest, but surprises happen.
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Lol... Keep your delusions. There made no "promise", only the normal blog statement back in September. If they said the G4 Plus would get it as well there is nothing saying the G5 has to get it first.
"Working on it" dies not equate necssarily to a hidden soak test, could just be on the dev teams daily morning meeting to do list. Soak test procedures are pretty well defined. About 30 days prior to beginning of soak test, a survey goes out to a group of MFN users, about 50% of that group will be selected for it. We almost always hear about both of these steps in the forums and on news sites, and so far nothing. The surveys usually prompt questions in the forums, and the initial beta releases to members of the group usually prompt release rumors even by Android news organizations.
Then a 30-45 day trial starts, if all goes well about 30 days after the test ends, the update is released. If it doesn't go well, it goes back to dev team and starts over with the same group. This can take a while, for the Moto X Pure it took almost a full year with Surveys and beta group selection beginning in Feb 2017 and the final Nougat roll-out completing in January this year.
I honestly do not expect to see Oreo until mid to end of Summer season at the earliest, but surprises happen.
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The G4 plus was promised to get oreo, you can see on their official blog at the very end
And they said it will come later because it was not on their original agenda (like the G5+ was), so i'm right about the G5+ getting it first
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The G4 plus was promised to get oreo, you can see on their official blog at the very end
And they said it will come later because it was not on their original agenda (like the G5+ was), so i'm right about the G5+ getting it first
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Motorola's history here makes it hard to say their blog posts, the only "official" statements, are a promise, but I concede that they did actually use that term regarding the G4 Plus.
https://blog.motorola.com/2017/09/14/say-hello-android-oreo/
Their exact wording for the release timing was:
But it’s important to us we keep our promises, so in addition to the N upgrade it has already received, we will be upgrading moto g4 Plus to Android O. Because this is an unplanned upgrade, it will take some time to fit into our schedule, we’ll update our software upgrade page when we have more info.
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Although common sense says this means it's on the bottom of the pile in regards to getting the update, there is nothing that says it won't get it's update before any or all of the other devices.
M1810 said:
The G4 plus was promised to get oreo, you can see on their official blog at the very end
And they said it will come later because it was not on their original agenda (like the G5+ was), so i'm right about the G5+ getting it first
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It's Lenovo. They promise all kinds of things, and wait months until everyone else moved on or forgot about it and then they ditch the phone support, show a new phone to buy, same promises, only to be dumped the same way. I won't even think G5plus gets anything, I mean they still haven't updated the Z line and they are now ditching the X line. Who knows, maybe they gonna ditch the G or the Z next along with the promised updates and just tell you to buy a newer phone.
I wouldn't bet a penny on their words.
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It's Lenovo. They promise all kinds of things, and wait months until everyone else moved on or forgot about it and then they ditch the phone support, show a new phone to buy, same promises, only to be dumped the same way. I won't even think G5plus gets anything, I mean they still haven't updated the Z line and they are now ditching the X line. Who knows, maybe they gonna ditch the G or the Z next along with the promised updates and just tell you to buy a newer phone.
I wouldn't bet a penny on their words.
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You're wrong about the Z lineup. They are running Oreo soak tests for Z series
You can see now all the Z series and X series got Oreo.
Next is G series.
Just saw a Reddit post that mentioned that Oreo is currently being rolled out for the Moto G5! I wonder if that means that Oreo for our devices is right around the corner?
It Will be great! :laugh:
Link, bro?
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Link, bro?
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https://www.xda-developers.com/motorola-moto-g5-plus-android-8-1-oreo-soak/
Hmm, not sure - the roll out for both G5S plus and G5 Plus Oreo have both been soak tests so far. I've not seen a mention of a general release so far.
It could be that Motorola are working on the Oreo update for our devices, I imagine we're not the highest priority at the moment, since we already had our major update. Still, let's see what happens.
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... since we already had our major update. ...
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NO! We didn't. When I bought the device, it was mentioned in all promotional material that we will get guaranteed Android N and O updates. Though, there was no time frame mentioned, but this is ridiculous that we have to wait so long. I'm never gonna recommend a Moto device again, just because of updates, which was the USP for recommendations.
I am not sure when will Motorola ever speak about G4(+) as in their Oreo upgrade plan this device was missing at first. Then on reddit people made posts with promo materials showing promises and they just included the device in their list I believe several months ago. So, they never intended to upgrade it, and who knows they ever will.
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NO! We didn't. When I bought the device, it was mentioned in all promotional material that we will get guaranteed Android N and O updates. Though, there was no time frame mentioned, but this is ridiculous that we have to wait so long. I'm never gonna recommend a Moto device again, just because of updates, which was the USP for recommendations.
I am not sure when will Motorola ever speak about G4(+) as in their Oreo upgrade plan this device was missing at first. Then on reddit people made posts with promo materials showing promises and they just included the device in their list I believe several months ago. So, they never intended to upgrade it, and who knows they ever will.
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The major update was nougat that this device received already(echo92 is correct). At the beginning it was shipped with marshmallow. Seems you bought the device while those promo materials were discussed around the world
You'll find already a lot of threads in this device forum discussing the Oreo topic.
Edit: something to read
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g4-plus/help/motorola-promised-oreo-build-t3802976
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g4-plus/how-to/moto-g4-plus-getting-android-o-t3576948/
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g4-plus/how-to/oreo-g4-plus-t3673163
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g4-plus/how-to/android-oreo-8-0-coming-to-motorola-t3660249
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The major update was nougat that this device received already(echo92 is correct). At the beginning it was shipped with marshmallow. Seems you bought the device while those promo materials were discussed around the world
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This would be correct for any vendor that promises one major upgrade and had a history of doing so. But, Motorola was choice of many due to consistent security updates and at least 2 major upgrades, and not just that, they actually said that. So, you are right they gave one major update out of promised 2, but I didn't mean that I bought the device with Nougat.
My purchase date was 20-May-2016 which was the Amazon-exclusive launch date in India and got it in my hand on 21-May-2016. I have the device with one of my family members now as I upgraded to a different device.
Luring the updates and making customer buy due to that reason and denying or delaying later is not done. We don't have very strict consumer protection law here, otherwise there definitely would have been an update
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NO! We didn't. When I bought the device, it was mentioned in all promotional material that we will get guaranteed Android N and O updates. Though, there was no time frame mentioned, but this is ridiculous that we have to wait so long. I'm never gonna recommend a Moto device again, just because of updates, which was the USP for recommendations.
I am not sure when will Motorola ever speak about G4(+) as in their Oreo upgrade plan this device was missing at first. Then on reddit people made posts with promo materials showing promises and they just included the device in their list I believe several months ago. So, they never intended to upgrade it, and who knows they ever will.
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Nokia all the way. Really, they have very good phones, decently priced with the majority of them running Android One. If my G4 Plus were to die now, I'd probably get a Nokia 7 Plus or a 6.1.
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Nokia all the way. Really, they have very good phones, decently priced with the majority of them running Android One. If my G4 Plus were to die now, I'd probably get a Nokia 7 Plus or a 6.1.
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Nokia do seem to be a good choice, one of the things I'm not keen on is their lack of an official bootloader unlock program. Granted, you can pay for an unlock key (to whom?) and the increasing security measures (e.g. Safetynet) are making unlocking more of a hassle, just at the moment there's not much support for custom ROMs or TWRP.