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My SGS Experience and some queries

Hello everybody,
I didn't think I'd be writing this thread. I mean, owning a SGS is a dream come true for me. But I came to know that the reality is not as good as my dream.
First, let me start with the PLUS/Advantages
--> Obviously, the best screen I've ever seen till date.
--> Feels very thing and light, though a bit large, definitely its pocketable and handy (IMHO).
--> Android 2.1 interface rocks! Superb Visuals unlike iOS and very user friendly.
--> Android Market
--> Superb Default Browser
-->Very Very Responsive, just like the iphone.
--> Great hardware - Still couldn't belie it is able to play 720p videos with more than 6mbps bitrate.
--> Excellent Video camera - 720p video recording is so cool!
--> Excellent NIGHT mode!
--> Dedicated SGS section at XDA
Now, the MINUSes/ Disadvantages.
--> Initially I thought, only the lack of flash and the iphone like model are the only bad things about this phone.
--> LAG, LAG, LAG, LAG! As the usage days increases, the lag increases gradually. And I'm unable to get rid of the lag.
And what's most annoying is that, even the telephony and messaging application is lagging (android could've atleast reserved some permanent resources for both of these apps, as they are the ACTUAL PHONE apps.)
--> Battery - Still I'm not sure whether it is a good battery or not. But I'm definitely disappointed. All of my friends used to have a probem with their smartphone, if they use the features of their phone, the battery won't even last a day. But before buying SGS, I read in various reviews about its great battery life. So I thought, I can use all the features of this phone and it'll last atleast a day or more. But if I use the features of this phone, then battery won't even last for a day. But if I use it like a normal phone, the battery is good (But who wants that? I need to use those features, that's why I've put so much money into this box )
--> Samsung. I guess I'll be stuck with what I have. No official updates, no fixes, no nothing.
P.S: If any one of you can help me out with my problems with LAG and share some tips on battery improvement, IT'D BE GR8!! (Of course, I did see the threads regarding tips, but still...)

lag fix
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=724251

Battery
Fully charge battery, then use it until it is completely discharged, recharge fully, that is one cycle.
After you have done five complete cycles your battery should be conditioned and give you longer between charges.
My phone lasted about 8 hours when I first got it, after three cycles it's now lasting 24 hours between charges.
Hope that helps.

Geryatrix said:
Battery
Fully charge battery, then use it until it is completely discharged, recharge fully, that is one cycle.
After you have done five complete cycles your battery should be conditioned and give you longer between charges.
My phone lasted about 8 hours when I first got it, after three cycles it's now lasting 24 hours between charges.
Hope that helps.
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Really? i can't believe this.
I have used my phone for 2 weeks. if I follow this procedure now, will it still work?
And thanks a lot, Geryatrix, for your your reply
@ AllGamer - Thanks for the link mate. I've seen that earlier, but I'm too noobish to try that out. I'm waiting for an OFFICIAL samsung firmware update. So that, if anything happens while updating that firmware, I could still claim my warranty

emmarbee said:
but I'm too noobish to try that out.
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Just update your firmware to JM2 and all your lag problems will be gone. Seriously, i had 4 different firmwares and can honestly say, that JM2 is lag free. It also comes with a samsung provided task manager(long press home now includes a button to sammy task manager).
Updating firmware is so easy, and you can't brick your phone(honestly).
There's no harm in flashing, since there are now stock firmwares available, so you can go back if you want to return the phone in future. Why wait for the official update?

@buddy01 - thats very convincing. I'd like to do that. But this phone is my 3 month salary - I wouldn't dare to spoil it in anyway. Of course, it makes sense, when you say 'NO BRICK + REVERSIBLE FIRMWARE'... But still . . . .
BTW, is the thread mentioned by AllGamer ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=724251) is JM2 firmware??

emmarbee said:
BTW, is the thread mentioned by AllGamer ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=724251) is JM2 firmware??
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No, that's the mimocan lag fix, which in my honest opinion is not needed anymore since JM2.
If i were you, i would just go with the JM2 and see if that's fast enough for you (is for me) and if not then try the lag fix.
All i can say is that im 99,9% sure you won't brick your phone if you flash your firmware like everyone else.

I am running JM2 with the lag fix. And my phone is still laggy as hell.
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Filgaliel said:
I am running JM2 with the lag fix. And my phone is still laggy as hell.
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Must be some crappy configuration, app, something messing it up. Mine is Flash Gordon fast. I don't know if the fact that i use launcherPro instead of Touch(lag)Wiz, make any difference. It might also be that something is changed in latest (JM1,JM2) firmwares in such a way that mimocan fix is actually a burden now. Who knows, but im lag free, honestly.

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Must be some crappy configuration, app, something messing it up. Mine is Flash Gordon fast. I don't know if the fact that i use launcherPro instead of Touch(lag)Wiz, make any difference. It might also be that something is changed in latest (JM1,JM2) firmwares in such a way that mimocan fix is actually a burden now. Who knows, but im lag free, honestly.
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Strange. I too use Launcher Pro. What I experience is this.. I press to open an app.. The app starts to open but seems to freeze midway for a second or two, sometimes longer. Even when I try to enter the settings menu I get this lag.
Another strange thing is that sometimes when in an app the screen returns to home screen as if the back button has been pressed. I reenter the app but instantly I am returned to home screen. I try another app.. Same thing. Only when I turn the screen off and on again will I be able to open an app..
Very weird..

Filgaliel said:
Strange. I too use Launcher Pro. What I experience is this.. I press to open an app.. The app starts to open but seems to freeze midway for a second or two, sometimes longer. Even when I try to enter the settings menu I get this lag.
Another strange thing is that sometimes when in an app the screen returns to home screen as if the back button has been pressed. I reenter the app but instantly I am returned to home screen. I try another app.. Same thing. Only when I turn the screen off and on again will I be able to open an app..
Very weird..
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Something is definetly wrong with your setup. i would do a factory reset and/or do the flashing again with re-partition and forget the lag fix.
Only app that takes 2 to 4 seconds to open in some occasions is gallery, and that is if i open it the first time (fresh boot or killed with task manager). everything else i commonly use, such as dialer one, handsentSMS, app draw, camera, gmail, market, youtube, browser, maps, contacts ... all open instantly.
The other problem your experiencing, i have never heard of. Must be some app acting wrong or things got messed up because of the mimocan fix. Honestly i would do a factory reset and then re-flash JM2 and forget the mimocan fix.

Yeah perhaps you´re right. I think I will.. Thanks.

Filgaliel said:
Yeah perhaps you´re right. I think I will.. Thanks.
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Good luck!
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I repeated the procedure this time with mimocan fix on EXT4. I now rate 1592 in quadrant and the phone is smooth as hell..

I haven't tried mimocan fix yet sounded very good, but rather complicated and requires Odin's flashing the phone.
My current galaxy is rooted and I install AutoKiller to better manage the memories. So far so good, lag are kept at the minimal. This procedure to me is far simpler and give acceptable performance.

Mimocan is the most complicated because in addition to odin flashing the kernel (not the entire firmware), you must also partition an external sd card and make some changes to the filesystem with an terminal program.
Mimocan gives you the best quadrant score atm, but after seeing a video of it in work, i can without a doubt say that my phone is just as fast with the newest jm2 firmware only.
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Ok then, I guess I have to go with jm2. Can you please tell me where can I get that firmware and a tutorial for that.
buddy01 said:
No, that's the mimocan lag fix, which in my honest opinion is not needed anymore since JM2.
If i were you, i would just go with the JM2 and see if that's fast enough for you (is for me) and if not then try the lag fix.
All i can say is that im 99,9% sure you won't brick your phone if you flash your firmware like everyone else.
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I won't be flashing jm 2 as of now as froyo is out and will be given officially in few months. till then I'll manage with this lag.

SGS 3 days on......

Now that I have had a few days playing with my new phone I thought I would leave some feedback.
Firstly the screen is amazing! I have had several iphone4 owners grovelling at it.
Swype is a touch of genius! I am using it now to type this and its fast as hell!
The battery usage is pretty severe compared to what I expected! Does apps like juice defender work?
Gps is flakey! My tracks was bouncing all over the place, so I guess I am joining the rest of you praying for a firmware fix. I will try co pilot tomorrow to see if its usable.
Lag was a problem, however have been using advanced task manager and it seems to help. I know rooting is supposed to be better with autokiller, but I believe rooting invalidates your warranty? Also, when I reboot my phone I have about 150mb free, but after a days use using adv task man I only have 55ish.
Anyhow in all I am happy with the phone, just need to work on the gps and lag.
Btw, how do I figure out my firmware number?
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in settings, about, and somewhere down the line.
You should be really restrictive when killing processes. Use the ignorelist for just about everything that might be used somehow by something.
Example, start the camera and it can take 2 - 4 sec to be ready to shoot. Have it idling in the background and its up in a split second. This goes for everything.
The onlu thing I kill is games, market and some other useless stuff i tend to run sometimes. Remember: you dont need a lot of free memory, for a quick phone you need your often-used-apps idling and loaded in mem.

djglenn1337 said:
Now that I have had a few days playing with my new phone I thought I would leave some feedback.
Firstly the screen is amazing! I have had several iphone4 owners grovelling at it.
Swype is a touch of genius! I am using it now to type this and its fast as hell!
The battery usage is pretty severe compared to what I expected! Does apps like juice defender work?
Gps is flakey! My tracks was bouncing all over the place, so I guess I am joining the rest of you praying for a firmware fix. I will try co pilot tomorrow to see if its usable.
Lag was a problem
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Similar to my imrpessions in the first days. Screen is outstanding, the only reason I keep wanting to keep the phone. Swype is nice but didn't get used to it.. still type faster on my Nokia E72...but that is a matter of practicing.
GPS.. *sigh*. No comments. It is useless.
Also the lag was annoying but I won't complain much on that since I never tried any of the unofficial fixes.... still, out of the box it is a problem, definitely something Samsung didn't polish well enough.

Plenty of lag and memory fixes available.
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is lag really a major issue out of the box?

yeah theres a decent amount of lag out of the box, but TONS of fixes available

About the battery, OP, wait untill you pass 5-7 initial charge cycles. Battery time increases twofold or more.
On my first battery cycle, it wasted out in around 11 hours.
Now i get more than 2 days of heavy use, and up to 6 of light use.

rocketpaul said:
is lag really a major issue out of the box?
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what lag?
i've not yet applied any so called "fixed" and i download all kind of free apps i can find in the market, and i don't have any noticeable lag
stock rom UK and Bell version

AllGamer said:
what lag?
i've not yet applied any so called "fixed" and i download all kind of free apps i can find in the market, and i don't have any noticeable lag
stock rom UK and Bell version
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yeah come on !! what lag ?? I didn't see any thread talking about lag, any video .. nothing
There are lag fix but it is not to fix the lag ... as it doens't exist

djglenn1337 said:
The battery usage is pretty severe compared to what I expected! Does apps like juice defender work?
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Yes. Buy it (ultimate Juice). You won't be let down.

AllGamer said:
what lag?
i've not yet applied any so called "fixed" and i download all kind of free apps i can find in the market, and i don't have any noticeable lag
stock rom UK and Bell version
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Your SGS must be really different from mine, perhaps even one of the 6 units that were released in proper shape worldwide. Hang on to it.
Not only you have no GPS issues but you also have no lag.
Mine has no GPS and it lags on the stock ROM (JM2)
Sure. There are lag fixes. And you can always buy an external GPS unit for only 150€ or so.
I just have the nasty habit of presuming I won't need to fix anything right after unpackaging and booting or pay more after spitting out 599€ for a "cutting edge" smartphone.
Customers... always so ungrateful and never pleased. /spit.

Pika007 said:
About the battery, OP, wait untill you pass 5-7 initial charge cycles. Battery time increases twofold or more.
On my first battery cycle, it wasted out in around 11 hours.
Now i get more than 2 days of heavy use, and up to 6 of light use.
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how many days passed since you bought the phone, and how many charging cycles?

Highl1 said:
how many days passed since you bought the phone, and how many charging cycles?
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It also varies based on your applications though. With some applications running, phone can't sleep properly.

Pika007 said:
About the battery, OP, wait untill you pass 5-7 initial charge cycles. Battery time increases twofold or more.
On my first battery cycle, it wasted out in around 11 hours.
Now i get more than 2 days of heavy use, and up to 6 of light use.
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I really hope your right, as mine is still not great tbh.
I will try ultimate juice to see if that helps..
Should I be doing anything in specific in the charge cycles? i.e letting it fully discharge, or anything else?
Ref Lag;
I did experience it out of the box, but only after using lots of multiple apps. I found that task killer fixed the problem, and I have not tried any other fixes.
However I still cant understand my RAM usage.
150MB free on boot, which then decreases to 130MB after say an hour.
2+ Hours later I am down into the 90's...and after 8+ hours into the 60's.
This is using task killer regular enough...so not sure why it happens.
Thanks for the replies guys, much appreciated.

Mine could sometimes take up to 10 seconds to open the phone app on the stock rom. Very annoying. Especially when there's an incoming call and you can't answer because the answer key just won't show up. Now I'm running the jg5 rom and samset 1.6 rom. And everything is lightning fast now. Faster than my iphone 4.

Using the Galaxy S as well for a while now. The phone is AWESOME. After the lagfix this is the best android device I ever messed with. I thought I would want to change the launcher but after getting used to the iPhone like design, touchwiz is actually one of the best skins I have seen. Rotates both ways, you can change the order of the homescreens easily and you can have as many as you want up to 7. It offers some cool widgets just like Sense does and the menu can be all reorganized and not be mixed up by alphabetical order. Even the built in keyboard is awesome for me. Fits with the rest of the design and its multitouch enabled. And you have Swype preinstalled if you want that as well. The camera is awesome and despite the lack of flash you can still take some really decent pics with this if there is some light around.
The screen is just on the sweet spot. 4" with Super AMOLED. Im in heaven really lol.
Even my mum that is a complete iPhone addict is now surrendered to this phone capabilities. Nice job by samsung and obviously by the genius who developed the lagfix and 1 click root.
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So i just got my galaxy s and there doesnt seem to be any lag at the mo.
Why is my baseband 19000nejg1?

Beowulf_pt said:
Your SGS must be really different from mine, perhaps even one of the 6 units that were released in proper shape worldwide. Hang on to it.
Not only you have no GPS issues but you also have no lag.
Mine has no GPS and it lags on the stock ROM (JM2)
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It's worth noting though that Beowulf_pt complained that reports of poor GPS and lag were the things holding him back from purchasing this phone (so I'm honestly wondering why he purchased the phone in the first place). Especially since purchasing it every post he has made seems to have been complaints about the GPS..
The Lag exists, but it doesn't make the phone unusable. Agreed it could be better, but whether it really affects anyone is questionable. It may be mostly fixable by switching scheduler and caching better. Remember, phones such as the Nexus one might be better currently, but they also shipped with a deluge of problems which are now fixed too.. Even the iPhone 4 did..
The GPS does have obvious issues (the accuracy indicator is still wrong, which to me suggests software), but other than the GPS, I am still happy with the phone. Also remember the battery issues depend on what you are running (some apps don't let the phone sleep properly).
I'm still happy to give them until Froyo to fix it. If Samsung doesn't fix it properly by then (and instead does something silly like tell us the "signal strength indicators are wrong"), then I'll try to get a refund. But at the moment, I'm willing to give them a chance.

It is surprising to read people who have no gps problems or lag issues straight out of the box, either they are very lucky and have bought fully functionaly sgs or are quite used to devices which take awhile to respond (I think it is the latter)!
Certainly there are fixes out there to improve the gps and lag issues but none have completely resolved the problem. I'm using JM5 which is working brilliantly and gps seems to work quite accurately especiallywith co-pilot no-other fix has been applied (to scared to!), the lag has also improved significantly but it does occassionaly freeze.
I'm also willing to give the boys at sammy a chance till 2.2 version is out or till Desire HD is launched, which ever comes first. Till then this is the best device out there inmho.

I too didn't notice any lag, until I installed the fixes, then the lag was noticeable as the phone was MUCH smoother.

Slow X, looking for info and/or advice

My X has been running slow and a little funny. I have froyo 2.3.15, with FlyX Rom, Revolution Themes, LauncherPro Plus, and Beautiful Widgets all running. Revolution was the last thing I added about a week ago and ever since then, it seems to be running different. Its slower to react, doesn't change from portrait to landscape very fast, whenever I unlock the screen, if I'm holding it straight up and down, it always opens into landscape mode. This seems like a pretty standard setup to a lot of people on here. Any advice and info on this topic would be appreciated, or just conversation about what others are running similar or different. Thanks a lot!
(also, I ran quadrant benchmark with scores between 1440 and 1495)

brandon2x said:
My X has been running slow and a little funny. I have froyo 2.3.15, with FlyX Rom, Revolution Themes, LauncherPro Plus, and Beautiful Widgets all running. Revolution was the last thing I added about a week ago and ever since then, it seems to be running different. Its slower to react, doesn't change from portrait to landscape very fast, whenever I unlock the screen, if I'm holding it straight up and down, it always opens into landscape mode. This seems like a pretty standard setup to a lot of people on here. Any advice and info on this topic would be appreciated, or just conversation about what others are running similar or different. Thanks a lot!
(also, I ran quadrant benchmark with scores between 1440 and 1495)
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I cannot recall whether or not FlyX includes the build.prop modifications or not, if not you would definitely want to make those. Other than that the only other thing I would recommend is giving MinFreeManager a shot, it changes the "low memory" requirements for the built in memory manager (task manager) of android. If configured properly it can really make a difference in both battery life and performance (not speed, but responsiveness). It does not do it for you, it lets you set the fields, so learn how to do it first, it varies depending on your use of your phone, I don't run any facebook or other streaming applications so my settings are 6,8,16,60,60,150 but this could vary greatly, and may adversely affect others, so read up on the app in the market.
Again that app will improve responsiveness, in that it will give you less delay when swyping the screen in the UI and such, in that your phone does not have to kill a task to free up memory to complete the next task, it will not improve benchmarks, at the same time, poor memory management will give you poor performance in real world use but may not affect your benchmarks, another reason that benchmarks are poor ways of measuring performance.
Outside of that, what it really comes down to is our Android systems need hardware acceleration... Google really needs to get of there... well... you know... and get with the game here, based off the recent discussion and their advisement to manufacturers to hold of the release of tablets until the next android release, I am hoping they are currently implementing it, but without GPU hardware acceleration in the UI and web browser, we will constantly have the appearance of choppiness and the illusion of poor performance even on our overqualified phones... it is one area where I am sad to say the iPhone has us beat... very sad to say... as a matter of fact, I just washed my mouth out with a bit of soap...
EDIT: a good example of how well that application worked for me over actual "tasks killers" on the market such as task killer and such... before having this app installed and configured, a quick investigation of "settings, applications, running services" and viewing the available memory, it would display "Avail:16MB+98MB in ##" after having this app and having it configured it displays "Avail:72MB+116MB in 26" I am assuming my poor UI responsiveness was due to the first of the two numbers...

Yeah I always hate to say that about iPhones too but they do seem to keep the same speed and responsiveness ALL the time... Oh well, they've been around a little longer so Android will just have to keep working on it. I believe it'll be there soon. I will try that app you recommended. I appreciate the speedy response.

brandon2x said:
Yeah I always hate to say that about iPhones too but they do seem to keep the same speed and responsiveness ALL the time... Oh well, they've been around a little longer so Android will just have to keep working on it. I believe it'll be there soon. I will try that app you recommended. I appreciate the speedy response.
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no problem, yeah, the iPhone has had GPU hardware acceleration in the UI since it came out, they structured their OS around it, Google chose otherwise, and I can only hope they regret that decision now... but hopefully they will make amends for that...
just make sure you read the post referenced in the app itself. It is written for the HTC Hero which only has 288MB of Ram as opposed to our 512MB Ram, but it still basically applies.
Keep in mind:
It does not automatically set on reboot until you tell it to, do not tell it to until you are sure the settings you have set do not mess with anything.
You probably will not notice a difference for about an hour... at least that's how long it took for me to truly notice a difference... I'm not really sure why, it apparently took that long for the priorities to take affect, and get the right processes killed, etc., etc. After that, especially later that day I was truly noticing a difference, especially in typing... I have always had a delay when typing on this phone, and that seems to be gone now...

yeah i was guessing that. i read an article at androidcentral.com about it and just set it to aggressive for now. applied it, but the specs under "running services" haven't changed so i'll give it an hour or so. i'll let you know how it turns out. thanks again!

brandon2x said:
yeah i was guessing that. i read an article at androidcentral.com about it and just set it to aggressive for now. applied it, but the specs under "running services" haven't changed so i'll give it an hour or so. i'll let you know how it turns out. thanks again!
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Sounds good, your welcome and good luck!
If those settings work out for you without any problems, you'll probably want to up them a bit, it might say aggressive, but they are only so aggressive... If it makes a big difference for you then stick with them, if you still have slow down, and you are running what you described before, you can probably get away running settings similar to what I posted, just don't have them set on boot just in case, if they don't work out you can always set them lower or back to a preset. It is definitely something you can expiriment with, if worst comes to worst, you can always reboot, but as long as you don't touch the first 4 values, you won't mess anything up, the worst that you will do with the last 2 is temporarly screw up facebook sync. or something similar, and really you can get away with changing the 4th value to, it just has a chance of affecting more things, but I doubt you'll end up affecting anything with values around 50 anyway. Like I said, experimenting never hurts, slow phones do... Just keep an eye on it ;-) good luck again.

To add a little correction.if you are running fly x then you are not running 2.3.15 you are running the earlier related release it Is based on. Even if you did have2.3.15 before installing it fly x over writes the system to the files it uses. All roms do. Do you actually have like 2.3.9 I think
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It does say 2.3.9. I inquired about this before because I used teamblackhat to get .15 and the system never seemed to change to .15 every time I tried to download it... I guess that's why, because of flyx...
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After reading Captian Taco's post I was eager to try it out, and its actually making a big difference =D thanks!

Yes it is... its been running much smoother and more responsive all day. Thanks again captaintaco... (boy thats kinda funny to type...)
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Thanks CaptainTaco! Installed MFM to clear up my "lag" issues that are usually experienced in the evenings after a reset first thing in the a.m. each day. Before MFM it wasn't a huge deal to do a reset to clear up the issue, but I much prefer it to just work right all the time.

pduboise said:
Thanks CaptainTaco! Installed MFM to clear up my "lag" issues that are usually experienced in the evenings after a reset first thing in the a.m. each day. Before MFM it wasn't a huge deal to do a reset to clear up the issue, but I much prefer it to just work right all the time.
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Hey don't thank me, thank the creator of MFM, I'm pretty sure he was one of the first to discover the power of Androids integrated minimum memory management, if not the first. Just glad to share my discovery of his discovery haha. But yea, to be honest I don't even use a custom Rom anymore, it runs so quick just having that (thought it works even better in conjunction with your standard simplistic task killer such as "advanced task killer" just to kill apps in the foreground after you are done with them, since many apps don't include a way of closing themselves out...
I still try the custom Roms out and play around with them for the hell of it, but as for right now, I rely heavily on corporate integration, and most of the good blurless Roms remove features required for true and proper corporate sync, such as calender sync and the like... and I just don't like touchdown pro... So this helps me out greatly... remove some bloat, throw launcher pro on there, and get this fix fired up, phone runs like a dream... now if only they could get exchange active sync running like it was on Sense... best implementation I have seen of Exchange active sync so far... I do miss that...

Well after all the advice I ended up installing the zapx rom last night. Wow! It is sooo fast... everything just responds and reacts so much faster than before. I suggest installing zapx to anyone. Best rom so far I think...
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Slow unresponsive tablet, check this out

One issue on android tablets ia there are programs that run on boot. Com.Samsung.indexservice is one of these programs. I rebooted about ten minutes ago, and system is still running at or near max cpu frequency. If you shut gour tablet down all the time, each time you turn your tablet back on there will be a long delay before indexaeevice finishes running. I seldom turn my tablet off, unless i need to reboot. Get an app like "cool tools" and you can check this out.
15min and its still running.
There its fiinishing up. 17 min
Before seeing the best performance, wait twenty min. This happens on my other android devices as well, it jhst a different program.
The second is a little more nebulous. When swiping across its been reported there can be a slow responce, maybe having to double swipe. It seems to me that note is more sensitive to off angle swipes, More so than my other android tablets. What i mean is gou need to be closer to a 90% swipe from the edge, for proper responed. Pen is definitely better, and i often use the pen instead. I dont notice misses with the pen.
Woody
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woodsonmh said:
One issue on android tablets ia there are programs that run on boot. Com.Samsung.indexservice is one of these programs. I rebooted about ten minutes ago, and system is still running at or near max cpu frequency. If you shut gour tablet down all the time, each time you turn your tablet back on there will be a long delay before indexaeevice finishes running. I seldom turn my tablet off, unless i need to reboot. Get an app like "cool tools" and you can check this out.
15min and its still running.
There its fiinishing up. 17 min
Before seeing the best performance, wait twenty min. This happens on my other android devices as well, it jhst a different program.
The second is a little more nebulous. When swiping across its been reported there can be a slow responce, maybe having to double swipe. It seems to me that note is more sensitive to off angle swipes, More so than my other android tablets. What i mean is gou need to be closer to a 90% swipe from the edge, for proper responed. Pen is definitely better, and i often use the pen instead. I dont notice misses with the pen.
Woody
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are you talking about "Unfortunately, IndexService has stopped" problem ? Pls check below thread. I'm also having same problem, but no solution.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2470110

This is not the "indexing service has stopped" issue you asked about.
Every time you restart Android runs the index service to index your sd cards. This is normal and what the OP is talking about.
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wingdo said:
This is not the "indexing service has stopped" issue you asked about.
Every time you restart Android runs the index service to index your sd cards. This is normal and what the OP is talking about.
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Pls explain in detail.

since the day we got root, i've had this frozen. it's still a pretty laggy tablet for a $650 price. i'm pretty sure it's got mostly to do with TW. using the dev rom on my s4 and that thing flies now.
the galaxy note 8 and gn 2 work fine with TW though. both are exynos4 - one on 4.1.2 (gn2) and other on 4.2.2. i'm supposing some change in 4.3 or the version of TW on 4.3 must be slowing things down a good bit.

madsquabbles said:
since the day we got root, i've had this frozen. it's still a pretty laggy tablet for a $650 price. i'm pretty sure it's got mostly to do with TW. using the dev rom on my s4 and that thing flies now.
the galaxy note 8 and gn 2 work fine with TW though. both are exynos4 - one on 4.1.2 (gn2) and other on 4.2.2. i'm supposing some change in 4.3 or the version of TW on 4.3 must be slowing things down a good bit.
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I dont understand the lag. My tablet does not show any lag issues at all. My p600 is smooth enough for me to run in power saving mode most of the time. When i read these post it doesnt seem like its the same tablet at all. By any chance are you using a high speed microsd . This could be a difference in machines. Just wondering?
Have you tried one of the cpu monitor programs to see if something is causing it. Ive had good results with "cool tool". Look for the tick to name app using most cpu time. Turn most everything else off.
As a very simple comparison, quadrant is 3 times the score, and an tu tu is twice the score of my asus tf700, which is running the latest cromix i. My day to experience supports this.
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biggest lags comes with browsing the old reader (don't use apps when websites are available and i prefer tabs) and having scroll mark as read on. the verge is laggy sometimes depending on the images. play store stutters until the app icons show up.
chrome is the worst with the web lag, but none remove it completely.
all video players that i've tried (bs, xbmc - so far the best, mx, archos...) experience at least one frame dropped every minute on a 720p high profile l3 @ only 2.5Mb/s with ac-3 audio. if it doesn't render the audio it'll play perfectly. even my daughter's memopad hd7 with a cheap ol' mediatek chip plays better - granted it's at a lower res.
hopefully an AOSP rom will come out that'll fix a bunch of this sluggishness. as soon as i switched to a GPE rom on my s4 it's blazingly fast. granted, an AOSP rom won't be as drastic since it won't have access to the closed drivers a ported GPE does.

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One issue on android tablets ia there are programs that run on boot. Com.Samsung.indexservice is one of these programs. I rebooted about ten minutes ago, and system is still running at or near max cpu frequency. If you shut gour tablet down all the time, each time you turn your tablet back on there will be a long delay before indexaeevice finishes running. I seldom turn my tablet off, unless i need to reboot.
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I'm curious, what size external sd card, are you using? This isn't normal behavior. I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but it's likely that you have a corrupt file somewhere, on your device. Mine runs if I remove my card, and make a lot of changes, on my pc, and re-insert the card. But, once it finishes indexing, I don't really see any significant additional activity, from IndexService, even after a power down, unless there were significant changes to the cards contents. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2483944
On another note didn't you have a Transformer TF700? What do you think about it vs. the Note 10.1 2014?
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since the day we got root, i've had this frozen.
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Although freezing it definitely works, it's not ideal, in my opinion. If you change, or update content on your device, often, you won't be able to access the files, you've changed (the tablet doesn't know things have changed, and can't find the files).
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LMMT said:
I'm curious, what size external sd card, are you using? This isn't normal behavior. I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but it's likely that you have a corrupt file somewhere, on your device. Mine runs if I remove my card, and make a lot of changes, on my pc, and re-insert the card. But, once it finishes indexing, I don't really see any significant additional activity, from IndexService, even after a power down, unless there were significant changes to the cards contents. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2483944
On another note didn't you have a Transformer TF700? What do you think about it vs. the Note 10.1 2014?
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Although freezing it definitely works, it's not ideal, in my opinion. If you change, or update content on your device, often, you won't be able to access the files, you've changed (the tablet doesn't know things have changed, and can't find the files).
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On every tablet i own there are indexing type programs that run on boot. Im using a 64 gig card with 32 gig internal. One of the reasons i dont like stock galllery is, you cannot control where it searches for files except by .nomedia file in directory. It then loads up book covers and the like that i dont want in gallery.
Size of memory probably does effect time but that depends on how full it is. If a person uses slow memory class cards, it probably will slow indexing. I think having a lot of web storage options may be the true culprit for the length of time it takes to index. However i dont know what samsung is doing so its only speculation on my part. I wasnt complaining. I expect it, but ive been reading about all the lags and complaints and so on in forums. If you take program updates, indexing and other housekeeping chores that happen when you turn your tablet on then yes it might lag, but only for a few min. If your tablet has been off for a day or two, program updates could take a while. By leaving my tabket on most of the time i dont have to go through very often. Thats why i suugested making judgment calls in the first twenty or so min might be misleading to what the tablet can to. Personly i dont have an issue with it.
The only way you can tell whats happening is by observation. My time may or may not be normal and the only way to find out is to use something like "cool tools" to find out.
This tablet is so much faster than my infinity. Ita a real joy to use, and after trying out a couple of other options im glad i dug a little deeper in the pocket to get it.
Woody
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woodsonmh said:
On every tablet i own there are indexing type programs that run on boot. Im using a 64 gig card with 32 gig internal. One of the reasons i dont like stock galllery is, you cannot control where it searches for files except by .nomedia file in directory. It then loads up book covers and the like that i dont want in gallery.
Size of memory probably does effect time but that depends on how full it is. If a person uses slow memory class cards, it probably will slow indexing. I think having a lot of web storage options may be the true culprit for the length of time it takes to index. However i dont know what samsung is doing so its only speculation on my part. I wasnt complaining. I expect it, but ive been reading about all the lags and complaints and so on in forums. If you take program updates, indexing and other housekeeping chores that happen when you turn your tablet on then yes it might lag, but only for a few min. If your tablet has been off for a day or two, program updates could take a while. By leaving my tabket on most of the time i dont have to go through very often. Thats why i suugested making judgment calls in the first twenty or so min might be misleading to what the tablet can to. Personly i dont have an issue with it.
The only way you can tell whats happening is by observation. My time may or may not be normal and the only way to find out is to use something like "cool tools" to find out.
This tablet is so much faster than my infinity. Ita a real joy to use, and after trying out a couple of other options im glad i dug a little deeper in the pocket to get it.
Woody
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I agree, it's an amazing device, especially when compared to the Infinity. I also have a 64 gb card, and my experience is similar to yours. It's good to see familiar 'faces' in the forum.
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Anyone else simply happy not rooting this phone?

When I bought this phone two weeks ago I was excited at the prospect of rooting it so that I could install my "goto" root apps.
I pondered it for several days and was about to root yet another device and I changed my mind. I find I am enjoying Oreo just the way it is and for me this is a nice change. I tend to root/jailbreak everything immediately. In the end flashing rom updates and fixes actually started to give me anxiety. I found myself dreading updates and it was becoming a real chore and wasn't fun anymore.
Anyone else enjoy this phone without tinkering with or modifying it?

Yep same here, been having this from last year and half, the verizon variant.. Though rooting this is pain and all but just like you I was too. Much into rooting and flashing.
This phone as it is, is awesome enough.
But i liked nougot more
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It is an amazing device. The only reason I rooted it was to remove the screen retention with a custom kernel and ckal support. :good:

One thing, is there any way to increase refresh rate without rooting? Just thought about this for some reason.

With Oreo I do not feel the need for root anymore.
On Nougat I used root for KCAL, build.prop mods for 16bit.pcm.offloading & zero shutter lag and also mods for stereo speakers & no throttle.
But I've yet to come across any burn in on Oreo, maybe they fixed it by recalculating the default KCAL values?
They've also fixed the issue of 44.1Khz audio being output as 48Khz through the DAC.
Could also be placebo but I find the DAC to perform better now on Oreo.
I'd love to have zero shutter lag & stereo speakers but that's just a mild annoyance hardly anything to worry about.
The weird thing is that my performance have seeming increased going to Oreo from having the performance mods on Nougat.
The left picture is on Nougat and the other one on Oreo.

Now that I think about it, silent camera would be nice for the default camera. If the setting is there I can't find it. Thanks for the side by side. Interesting.

Yeah, I don't need to root this thing either. I have had this almost a year now. Upgrade to Oreo, and now happier then ever.
May be in future once we Pie ROM with second screen feature, I will think about it.
I used to have a Samsung Note 5, and rooted and flash plenty of times. But, it was a pain to keep up with updates. I learned my lesson to not root Android.

DelphinusMinor said:
Now that I think about it, silent camera would be nice for the default camera. If the setting is there I can't find it. Thanks for the side by side. Interesting.
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I use mute camera and it works well. Still on N though
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ted.park.mutecamera
Not rooted as my variant H990DS does not qualifiy for bootloader unlock provided by LG
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In the end flashing rom updates and fixes actually started to give me anxiety. I found myself dreading updates and it was becoming a real chore and wasn't fun anymore.
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I imagine this is how most get out of the rooting game.
There has to be a serious need to do so and not just for the sake of it.
Though i still believe unless you gain admin rights over your device you do not own it.

One Twelve said:
I use mute camera and it works well. Still on N though
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ted.park.mutecamera
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Thank you. I am going to check this and a few others out.
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First time not rooting in about 10 years, running Oreo and so far everything is good (battery life, performance, features). I haven't even re-installed Nova Launcher, the home with app drawer has been good enough.
The one thing I'm missing is forcing it to 3g/CDMA since I'm on Verizon and where we live in Colorado, there is more and stronger 3g towers than LTE so I've always saved a lot of battery by locking to CDMA and not hunting/swapping for LTE towers. I'm mostly at home so I've got wifi for any real data needs. So other than that one thing, I haven't had a real need to root. So far...

B_in_Denver said:
First time not rooting in about 10 years, running Oreo and so far everything is good (battery life, performance, features). I haven't even re-installed Nova Launcher, the home with app drawer has been good enough.
The one thing I'm missing is forcing it to 3g/CDMA since I'm on Verizon and where we live in Colorado, there is more and stronger 3g towers than LTE so I've always saved a lot of battery by locking to CDMA and not hunting/swapping for LTE towers. I'm mostly at home so I've got wifi for any real data needs. So other than that one thing, I haven't had a real need to root. So far...
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If you have your msl you can force 3g or you can install Xposed and I think there's a module for that. Inteli3g

This is the first time I've rooted a phone for a while, due to the screen retention issue. Else, stock or AOSP unrooted is enough considering most features are available these days

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If you have your msl you can force 3g or you can install Xposed and I think there's a module for that. Inteli3g
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Thanks for replying, I've been trying to get into the field service menu for the last couple of days but will probably have to call VZW and try to convince them to give it to me.
Re: Xposed, since that requires root, that was the one reason I miss having root (Xposed to be able to force 3g, that's how I did it on my old rooted phones).

3mL said:
With Oreo I do not feel the need for root anymore.
On Nougat I used root for KCAL, build.prop mods for 16bit.pcm.offloading & zero shutter lag and also mods for stereo speakers & no throttle.
But I've yet to come across any burn in on Oreo, maybe they fixed it by recalculating the default KCAL values?
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That wasn't my experience with Oreo on my H918. Perhaps I need to try it again. As I recall, I still had screen retention issues, which is what ultimately led me to rooting my phone to use KCAL. I would really like for this phone to NOT be rooted.

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That wasn't my experience with Oreo on my H918. Perhaps I need to try it again. As I recall, I still had screen retention issues, which is what ultimately led me to rooting my phone to use KCAL. I would really like for this phone to NOT be rooted.
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Close to two months after my quoted message I can tell you that my phone do indeed suffer from screen retention. The first month i.e up to sometime in February I did not notice any screen retention - but since having sold my computer and using my phone for much more it has started to reveal itself.
It's only visible in one app, and that's Discord with its dark gray background and the 'retention' is that of the keyboard close to the edge of the screen.
Considering the circumstance around my screen retention, that for now, my V20 is my main 'machine'. I'm not that bothered by it, I have a PC coming in next week - and if I remember I'll tune in some weeks after it has arrived and update whether or not it's gone(with decreased usage).

For me I had had enough with screen burn and rooted this phone in last December.

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Close to two months after my quoted message I can tell you that my phone do indeed suffer from screen retention. The first month i.e up to sometime in February I did not notice any screen retention - but since having sold my computer and using my phone for much more it has started to reveal itself.
It's only visible in one app, and that's Discord with its dark gray background and the 'retention' is that of the keyboard close to the edge of the screen.
Considering the circumstance around my screen retention, that for now, my V20 is my main 'machine'. I'm not that bothered by it, I have a PC coming in next week - and if I remember I'll tune in some weeks after it has arrived and update whether or not it's gone(with decreased usage).
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Yeah, I realized I dug up an old post. Sorry about that.
I may have to try running my phone in a stock form to see how bad it really is. I'm running into some weird issues with, presumably with Magisk, and I want to unroot my phone. The only real reason I can't is because of the screen retention issue.

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Yeah, I realized I dug up an old post. Sorry about that.
I may have to try running my phone in a stock form to see how bad it really is. I'm running into some weird issues with, presumably with Magisk, and I want to unroot my phone. The only real reason I can't is because of the screen retention issue.
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Oh it's no problem, sorry if my post came off as offensive.
It is really not bad at all, and I might elaborate om the issue that it's only really beginning to show later in the day.

3mL said:
Oh it's no problem, sorry if my post came off as offensive.
It is really not bad at all, and I might elaborate om the issue that it's only really beginning to show later in the day.
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See, mine will show retention minutes after being booted. For example, after a fresh install of a ROM, be it LOS or Stock, I'll start noticing ghosting before I can get into the color settings or Kernel Adiutor to make the adjustments... that's just from the time in TWRP and the booting. I guess everyone's phone it a little different.