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Digging in ... do any head units currently support these items?

I'm (hopefully tomorrow) replacing my dying Jeep. Likely candidates are a 2014 Rav4 or a 2012 Town and Country. Both seem to have good double-din slots without having a lot of vehicle subsystems tied to the factory HU. So ... I am beginning to investigate putting in an Android HU.
I'd like a recommendation on the best HU -for me- ... I know it isn't going to be the same for everyone. What I'm looking for, in no particular order, and not all of these are must-haves:
* community-supported ROMs
* 2GB RAM is highly desired.
* video input for the factory-equipped backup camera
* steering wheel controls (I'm assuming I need an adapter specific for whichever car I buy, probably not included with the HU but I want the HU to be able to accept them if possible)
* Decent sound quality output
* Good radio reception (does the US have an equivalent to DAB?) ... I'm willing to use an external FM module if that ends up being the highest quality option. App support is included in the word "good" here. And as likely figured out, I'm in the U.S.
* Some SIMPLE form of external storage (SD card is fine, USB HD is fine, I even have a spare 60GB SSD with built-in USB port since I just rebuilt my PC)
* Ability to tether to my WiFi hotspot (currently it would be a Nexus 5 phone) OR Bluetooth data connection (but I've found BT data sharing to be less well supported).
* Lollipop? I realize from searching there aren't any out there yet (pfft @ Parrot for nixing the aftermarket version of the RNB6) ... I'm not in a big rush to do the upgrade RIGHT NOW, if I can wait a few months to get a 5.x HU I will do that. Just need to know if such a model is known to be in the works?
I might go with a tablet-in-dash alternative, but would rather have a full HU. I've looked at various applink/mirrorlink solutions and found them all wanting.

>community-supported ROMs
Yes, most of us are using the custom ROMs made by Malaysk.
>2GB RAM is highly desired.
They are all 1GB devices and use nearly the same integrated CPU/RAM chipsets right now. I am pretty sure that we will see 2GB devices eventually but all of them right now are 1GB. But frankly for everything you need to do on these units 1GB is fine, just like it is for most android tablets. And the quad core devices are very responsive and snappy, going from dual core to quad core makes more of a performance difference in experience.
>* video input for the factory-equipped backup camera
Pretty much every unit has a standard composite input dedicated for backup cameras which are activated with 12v on the backup signal line. They are all also able to show the backup camera before the system is fully booted, so you turn the car on, put it in reverse and you can see the backup camera while the android continues to boot in the background (15-30secs).
>* steering wheel controls (I'm assuming I need an adapter specific for whichever car I buy, probably not included with the HU but I want the HU to be able to accept them if possible)
A standard feature, and most cars are based on the same standard.
>* Decent sound quality output
I have found they have good sound output. Especially for playing MP3's. They also extensive audio controls and EQ capabilities so you can really tune the sound compared to most factory units of "Bass/Treble".
>* Good radio reception (does the US have an equivalent to DAB?) ... I'm willing to use an external FM module if that ends up being the highest quality option. App support is included in the word "good" here. And as likely figured out, I'm in the U.S.
Some say the AM/FM is more sensitive than their factory radio was. I find it to be about equal in my case.
>* Some SIMPLE form of external storage (SD card is fine, USB HD is fine, I even have a spare 60GB SSD with built-in USB port since I just rebuilt my PC)
Most units have a couple of SD card slots that can use whatever SD card size you want. I have a 32GB and a 64GB in mine. They also support whatever USB sticks you want to use on their USB ports. They maybe do not work with USB hard drives from what I have read, you would beed to research further.
>* Ability to tether to my WiFi hotspot (currently it would be a Nexus 5 phone) OR Bluetooth data connection (but I've found BT data sharing to be less well supported).
Most all support wifi tethering, but they do not support bluetooth tethering because the bluetooth is actually handled by a dedicated bluetooth card designed for audio/phone control.
>* Lollipop? I realize from searching there aren't any out there yet (pfft @ Parrot for nixing the aftermarket version of the RNB6) ... I'm not in a big rush to do the upgrade RIGHT NOW, if I can wait a few months to get a 5.x HU I will do that. Just need to know if such a model is known to be in the works?
Its a nice to have, but there are more 4.x devices in the world than their are 5.x and it will be supported for quite awhile. I am not sure what all it buys us anyway because 4.x is stable and 5.x new features really only apply to phones.
Basically, most all the current android head units are based on the same internal hardware designs, the and main differences are in the physical front panel layout of what buttons, or knobs, or if you want a dvd slot or not etc.. my recommendation is that you get one with the best options available right now which are a) quad core, b) 1024x600 screen res, c) 16GB internal flash storage. Other than those specs its all down to the physical design of the units front panel for the most part.
I chose the carjoying unit shown in this topic because I thought it was the best choice of front panel design(no dvd slot to waste screen space, at least one knob and not all touch(yuck), etc)... to fit in my standard double din auto.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/and...oying-rk3188-rk3066-2-din-head-units-t3193170

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Thank you for the response

nixfu said:
>community-supported ROMs
Yes, most of us are using the custom ROMs made by Malaysk.
>2GB RAM is highly desired.
They are all 1GB devices and use nearly the same integrated CPU/RAM chipsets right now. I am pretty sure that we will see 2GB devices eventually but all of them right now are 1GB. But frankly for everything you need to do on these units 1GB is fine, just like it is for most android tablets. And the quad core devices are very responsive and snappy, going from dual core to quad core makes more of a performance difference in experience.
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The Newsmy units (NU3001, NU5002, etc) have 2GB of RAM and we were able to get the source for one of the ROM versions and developed a custom ROM from the source
http://forum.xda-developers.com/and...4-4-2-kitkat-head-unit-newsmy-carpad-t2865525

Are there any units that have two camera inputs for rear and front camera?

So I finally found a car ... ended up buying a 2006 Toyota Sienna Limited with less than 50K miules (insert long rant about flying across country to pick up a 2013 Rav4 only to find the dealer mis-advertised and accepted payment for the wrong trim level).
After a lot of contemplation, and realizing I want to be able to do a mirrored set up in my camper-van (a giant E350 diesel) ... I've changed gears and am sifting through how-to's on doing a 7" tablet with a plain amp, joyconn controller for the steering wheel controls, and magnetic mounts so that I can swap my tablet from 1 vehicle to another.
But thanks for all of the input on my newbie questions.
I think I'm actually taking on a significantly harder project if I'm really going to do it right ... but being able to take my tablet with me and put it in 2 different vehicles (maybe 3 if my wife decides to let me do the same rigging to her Rogue) along with keeping up with latest versions of Android will keep me happier in the long run.
HOWEVER, this is the spot I could still be convinced on ... does anyone know of a hot-swappable double din system? If I could yank the whole thing out I might go back to a full headend and just not worry about carrying it around outside of those 2 vehicles. I did some searching but I'm guessing due to the added size required for rail hardware this probably doesn't exist.

Great questions and fantastic answers. Thank you!

DVR on head unit issue

Hi Guys
I hope some clever guys can help me out. I bought this head unit.
Android Toyota Hilux Navigation - A9 Dual Core, 3G, WiFi, GPS, DVD, Bluetooth, Radio, DSP, OBD from stop shop running android 4.4
Everything is working perfectly and I am happy with the unit, put I struggle to get the DVR function to work properly. It has a head unit specific DVR app installed that does not even pick up the DVR usb camera that came with the unit. I tried different apps such as Road Voyager that displays the camera, put the moment I press record a green disturbance is displayed and recorded. It does take pictures fine.
The camera view code is H.264 with resolution 640*480, even if I select the video settings to match I cannot record anything than the green disturbance.
I tried this on all three usb ports with the same results.
I am not sure what to do, if it is a camera issue or a setting. I cannot find any setting on the head unit itself to set the camera.
Can someone much cleverer than me maybe help. I cant seem to find any similar information on the web.
thanks

" It does take pictures fine "
What resolution are the pictures?, check this out and use the same resolution for video recording.
Some cheap cameras only support single resolution.
H/

Advice on what to buy

Hello all,
I'm after a new head unit for my truck, I use the truck for a lot of off roading and for this I use an android based maping software!
So I'm after a single din android head unit with a flip up screen, the ability to transmit to other screens (thinking about a sunvisor screen) it would be nice if I could have a camera input or two, and the ability to connect my phone for handfree phone calls! Also due to the mapping software GPS capabilities, optinal it would be nice to plug a hddd or memory stick with into it for music input
Does anyone have any advice on what would fit my needs?
Thenskae505

My only issue is ruggedness. Sounds like you may want to look at a tablet worth a holder.
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I currently use a tablet, problem I have with it is the tablets I have used 7inch and 10 inch are very bulky, I like the idea of a headunit because it can retract, if I was to mount a tablet it would cover some of my other dials/controls! Also I use the truck for work every day and having a tablet on display wouldn't be a good idea
Is an android headunit really less rugged then the cd player I currently have??

what vehicle is it?

If you are comparing to a name brand unit like Kenwood or pioneer. I would have to say yes
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It's a mitsubishi pajero,
I don't think ruggedNess would be a problem buts it's a risk I'm going to take!

do they make a vehicle specific unit? that would be the best for less bumping around

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do they make a vehicle specific unit? that would be the best for less bumping around
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Unfortunately not, it's just an old school single din head unit slot!

thesnake505 said:
Hello all,
I'm after a new head unit for my truck, I use the truck for a lot of off roading and for this I use an android based maping software!
So I'm after a single din android head unit with a flip up screen, the ability to transmit to other screens (thinking about a sunvisor screen) it would be nice if I could have a camera input or two, and the ability to connect my phone for handfree phone calls! Also due to the mapping software GPS capabilities, optinal it would be nice to plug a hddd or memory stick with into it for music input
Does anyone have any advice on what would fit my needs?
Thenskae505
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thesnake505 said:
It's a mitsubishi pajero,
I don't think ruggedNess would be a problem buts it's a risk I'm going to take!
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A single din head unit with the flip out display will sooner than later break or wear out the motorized gear assembly or ribbon cable. This is especially true with any of the android head units available today and even more so when any of these units are used off road. That said, you can still listen to music on the android single din head units with the display retracted. Although, not being able to use the display while off road defeats the purpose of having it for gps or cameras etc.. To clarify a little more, I had a single din android hu in my 3rd gen montero limited (same as the larger size pajero or shogun, but not the sport), and the display was no where near strong enough to handle all the bouncing around while off road. In turn, I relocated the heater - ac controls to the wallet pocket in the upper center console and installed a double din joying hu. This may or not be an option for you too, depending on how your specific pajero dash, heater - ac controls, center console, and wallet pocket align.
As to the ability to transmit to other displays, I'm not aware of any decent android hu options for that except for maybe the Newsmy Carpad units that use hdmi out on a separate android box to feed its double din display. Please note that most android units will only display a dvd to another screen, and the dvd's only transmitted through the micro controller unit and not through the android system. Nonetheless, there may be a couple of different units out now that may be able to push what's on the main display to other displays, but again I'm not aware of any myself. Hopefully someone here will be able to chime in with some good suggestions for that.
In regard to hands free phone calls via bt to the hu, that's possible, although the voice quality and volume level can be sub par on many units without a hardware mod and a decent quality external mic.
For cameras, I set up a waterproof front camera just below the front bumper license plate frame that runs through the AV-in input. It's used as a front parking and off road camera. I also installed a rear waterproof back up camera with on-off switches, so it can be viewed at any time or turned off completely. Please note that neither of these cameras have dvr capabilities, so I installed a thinkware 750 front and rear camera kit plus three more 1080p dvr type cameras to help cover and record the front, rear, and side views.
With regard to using a hard drive or memory stick, both should work, but neither has been needed here. This is due to the joying hu having two micro sd card slots, and I've had no problem running fat32 formatted 64GB and 128GB sdxc cards packed with music, vids, pics, etc..
Bottom line is that you'll most likely regret a flip out hu unless you do not mind fixing or replacing it sooner than later. Plus, IMHO, most if not all aftermarket flip up displays are too slow, annoying, and clunky.
Best of luck,
R

So having read and took on board what yoy have said, what double din unit would be recommended? ?

Newer Joying head unit

Does anyone have this newer Joying 8.8" widescreen single DIN head unit with the new UI, JY-HOS01N4GS-2 ?
I just got it in and am trying to set it up before I install it in the car. Can it be modded or customized? While this new UI isn't that bad looking, it's a little more modern, but it does have this damn clock on the right side taking up real estate on the screen and I can't get rid of it. I tried using another launcher but the clock still stays there. I also can't get it to connect to my BT keyboard even though it sees it. Nor can I get it to see a universal USB cam which I want to use for a rear view mirror display. I did get it to recognize the universal non-Joying internal sensor TPMS unit I got as well as XTRON front DVR cam (I had to use the program on the XTRON cam to see it though) and an XTRON backup cam.
Can anyone help or point me in the right direction for modding this unit?

Anyone? I did find an app that can see the universal cams now but still need help with the other stuff. Plus I want to change the boot logo to an animated one I made.

LunaEros said:
Anyone? I did find an app that can see the universal cams now but still need help with the other stuff. Plus I want to change the boot logo to an animated one I made.
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I don't have such a unit, so I would not know about your Launcher, but it has been mentioned before in the forum. Please search a bit more.
You can only connect phones and approved devices to your device on BT. See this post and further for a possible modification.
Most universal usb webcams are not supported.

surfer63 said:
I don't have such a unit, so I would not know about your Launcher, but it has been mentioned before in the forum. Please search a bit more.
You can only connect phones and approved devices to your device on BT. See this post and further for a possible modification.
Most universal usb webcams are not supported.
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Why the hell do they do that? If I had known that before hand I would've probably went with another unit like an ATOTO or a Dasaita. I went with this one because the widescreen 8.8 IPS display fits my car perfectly plus it has a 4g module built in. (grumble)

LunaEros said:
Why the hell do they do that? If I had known that before hand I would've probably went with another unit like an ATOTO or a Dasaita. I went with this one because the widescreen 8.8 IPS display fits my car perfectly plus it has a 4g module built in. (grumble)
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Dasaita is microntek. All those units have crippled bluetooth as well. It is something the Chinese do to promote selling their own stuff, I guess.
No idea about Atoto though.
Does your keyboard have a usb-dongle? As far as I understood, keyboards with a usb-dongle do work. All BT equipment relying on the host bluetooth are hit-and-miss, and almost always miss.

No. It uses whatever's is built in to what you want to connect to I guess. I do have a Bluetooth CSR 4.0 dongle and tried using that on it but I can't see where it recognizes it.
The HU sees the keyboard it just won't connect to it. I damn well better not have any problems connecting to my OBDLink MX when I put it in the car. ?

Ok I tried what they said to do in that post but it didn't work. Not sure I did it right. It appears all I had to do was copy those two files in that bluetoothsetting.zip to a clean SD card put it on the HU and reboot it.
If that's what I was supposed to do then no luck. I have read that the firmware on these widescreen units are slightly different than the other Intel Airmont units.

In search of a head unit

So I have breezed through the forums up till about page 10 just looking around and seeing what folks have to say. I still don't know where to start LOL.
Here is what I want to accomplish and hopefully the experts here can give me some guidance. I see so many manufacturers and I just want to find the best option for me.
I have a 05' Dodge Ram 2500 that is in desperate need of a new radio. I am coming from a a new car with android auto and want to keep that going plus add more functionality. Here is what I would like to do, keep in mind that this is also getting an upgraded sound system as well.
Customize the UI to my liking / other then stock
ODBII for Torque / basically ability to monitor diesel stuff
Reverse camera input
If possible front and rear dashcam input / even if using dashcam with wifi live viewing with app on head unit. Is there a unit / that will act as a dvr to record video input to sd card? (this would be nice)
Sirrius XM radio (not a deal breaker if not able)
Use android phone for internet service for apps
I would like to be able to use my security cam app / in my mind this shouldn't be an issue if i can load apps from store or sideload
Other options I have not thought about or thought that I need LOL
I have seen the new 10.1 joying head unit and that looks nice but i know there are many out there and many that might suit my needs better or maybe not. Thanks for any input you give.

I would look at the biggest (RAM and storage) that you can afford. I would also make sure it has an mtce mcu as there is more aftermarket support. Check on here I wrote my initial impressions of a new Vanku unit I got..px6, 4/64 mtce
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motoapx said:
So I have breezed through the forums up till about page 10 just looking around and seeing what folks have to say. I still don't know where to start LOL.
Here is what I want to accomplish and hopefully the experts here can give me some guidance. I see so many manufacturers and I just want to find the best option for me.
I have a 05' Dodge Ram 2500 that is in desperate need of a new radio. I am coming from a a new car with android auto and want to keep that going plus add more functionality. Here is what I would like to do, keep in mind that this is also getting an upgraded sound system as well.
Customize the UI to my liking / other then stock
ODBII for Torque / basically ability to monitor diesel stuff
Reverse camera input
If possible front and rear dashcam input / even if using dashcam with wifi live viewing with app on head unit. Is there a unit / that will act as a dvr to record video input to sd card? (this would be nice)
Sirrius XM radio (not a deal breaker if not able)
Use android phone for internet service for apps
I would like to be able to use my security cam app / in my mind this shouldn't be an issue if i can load apps from store or sideload
Other options I have not thought about or thought that I need LOL
I have seen the new 10.1 joying head unit and that looks nice but i know there are many out there and many that might suit my needs better or maybe not. Thanks for any input you give.
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Note that none of the Chinese head units like sold by Joying, xtrons, dasaita are Android Auto. They provide a hacky 'screen mirroring' app usually supported by hardware/dongle. They are all problematic.
If you want Screen mirroring and don't need a Android, suggest staying with a certified Android Auto head unit.

The Atoto Pro A6 or S8 might be worth looking into. The pro versions offer more ram and rom over the non pro versions.

motoapx said:
So I have breezed through the forums up till about page 10 just looking around and seeing what folks have to say. I still don't know where to start LOL.
Here is what I want to accomplish and hopefully the experts here can give me some guidance. I see so many manufacturers and I just want to find the best option for me.
I have a 05' Dodge Ram 2500 that is in desperate need of a new radio. I am coming from a a new car with android auto and want to keep that going plus add more functionality. Here is what I would like to do, keep in mind that this is also getting an upgraded sound system as well.
Customize the UI to my liking / other then stock
ODBII for Torque / basically ability to monitor diesel stuff
Reverse camera input
If possible front and rear dashcam input / even if using dashcam with wifi live viewing with app on head unit. Is there a unit / that will act as a dvr to record video input to sd card? (this would be nice)
Sirrius XM radio (not a deal breaker if not able)
Use android phone for internet service for apps
I would like to be able to use my security cam app / in my mind this shouldn't be an issue if i can load apps from store or sideload
Other options I have not thought about or thought that I need LOL
I have seen the new 10.1 joying head unit and that looks nice but i know there are many out there and many that might suit my needs better or maybe not. Thanks for any input you give.
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I don't think you will find anything with quite that much on it but what comes to mind for most of it is Dasaita. I know Joying has almost what Dasaita has but they don't provide as many preloaded apps.
Dasaita comes with front dvr cam app as well as a specific front dash cam input for their dvr cams (which contain sd card for recording). It's a horrendously old and awful looking ui... but it works.
Front and rear cam inputs with app for manual override of rear cam (viewing rear while driving forward)
Torque (pro) will run though bluetooth or usb (usb is fast!)
UI is completely customizable
They all can hotspot connect to an android phone
They all can download apps from google playstore. With a few exceptions, anything that can run on a tablet will run on these things
Don't know about your particular security app, but I can control my house alarm and thermostat from my dasaita
None of them are siriusXM ready. You either have to plug a separate xm tuner into the AUX input, or run surius from an app
None of them come equipped for rear (Recording) cam

thanks
Thanks for the replies and the assistance. I have a little more research to do now.
Thank you ,