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I was considering this HU for my 2016 VW Polo since I don't care much about having a DVD slot. The title for this HU says DVD but it doesn't sport a drive. Though the spec seems good (RK3188) and the price isn't much either I didn't find any reviews or information about this HU on XDA (or outside).
There are couple of places this is being sold from Ali express to GearBest and also on their own website.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this one? Specifically I was looking for community support (root, custom firmware). Since this sports a RK3188 chip can other ROMs be used on this? Also the HU has a very thin form factor (compared to other HUs) - so would heat be an issue?
Who knows?
It doesn't have a volume control knob, if you can live with that. Personally, on screen adjustments for volume, track selection, "back," and on/off is very unhandy and annoying. You can't just reach up and adjust it with out looking. Also the volume steps of the touch controls are not always small enough to set a precise level. These units, with no US contacts or service, are a pain if you need something. Carjoying is in the US and quite responsive. Updates are also made.....who knows about those other relatively unknown products. They may never update and may no work with other software. I have never seen a 9" screen wonder if the thin bezel is just a half inch smaller and uncovering the edges of an 8" panel. This is just conjecture but perhaps worth considering.
cardio77 said:
It doesn't have a volume control knob, if you can live with that. Personally, on screen adjustments for volume, track selection, "back," and on/off is very unhandy and annoying. You can't just reach up and adjust it with out looking. Also the volume steps of the touch controls are not always small enough to set a precise level. These units, with no US contacts or service, are a pain if you need something. Carjoying is in the US and quite responsive. Updates are also made.....who knows about those other relatively unknown products. They may never update and may no work with other software. I have never seen a 9" screen wonder if the thin bezel is just a half inch smaller and uncovering the edges of an 8" panel. This is just conjecture but perhaps worth considering.
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Thanks for the response. I ended up placing an order for this unit instead. I dropped the other one mainly due to there being hardly any orders and reviews. I also did not get any proper responses from the sellers regarding that unit - probably since its new and they are themselves unaware of its features/fit. I agree about the support issues but I also had a tight budget and as long as it works fine :fingers-crossed: I should be OK. Importing these into India attracts a sizable customs duty The unit I bought costed me about $190 shipped via FedEx so I expect the customs would be proportionately lower.
Regarding the volume I have steering wheel controls which should serve the purpose of physical buttons. Though I agree that having a knob is more convenient I also kind of like the flush surface of these full touch units - lesser issues of dust settling.
I will post an update here once I get the unit and install it. BTW the reviews for this on AliExpress are excellent - would love to hear from anyone already owning this. I asked the seller about rooting and custom firmware (kind of essential for android units) but didn't hear anything positive This lack of support and the fact that this is an AllWinner solution (R16 QuadCore Cortex A7) were the only two drawbacks I saw in it (given its price).
How to root Junsun Android 4.4.4
I purchased this unit also from gearbest and like some things about it, but question other things.
The good:
1. The unit is ridiculously thin for a car stereo. There is no CD/DVD player
2. Sound is actually decent. Little difference from the stock unit
3. The home page with rotating icons is cool and different. I can also put a live wallpaper behind it
4. Mirroring app works ok, but I'd rather tether.
5. I can play videos and music on a USB flash drive
The bad:
1. I can't launch other apps and listen to music at the same time. (i.e. when I load Google Maps, radio stops)
2. No native capability to bluetooth tether. USB tethering with EasyTether also didn't work.
3. There are no microsd inputs like other Chinese Android units I've see thus far. I can connect a USB drive to 2 available connectors routed from the back of the unit. This isn't necessarily bad. Just requires different process for rooting that's TBD.
4. Instructions are only in chinese. Don't know who really makes this device, or how to get their technical support. So far, gearbest has provided some answers, but they're far from accurate!
So that said, I'd like to root and install some different apps and drivers that might make USB or bluetooth tethering possible. And that might allow me to listen to radio or USB music or Pandora while I have something else like Torque or Waze running.
Here are settings from the unit:
OS Version/Build Version: JAX1602191130G-WQ-16EN
MCU Version: 201512161416-SLX7786-GEN
CPU Model: RKPX3
Android: 4.4.4
There is also a 'system' page, where I can go to advanced, press 1234 as the password (found it through trial and error) . A screen is then available to upgrade MCU or firmware. However, I don't know where the files should be placed for this screen to register them.
Any pointers on process to root this and/or install something like Malaysk Firmware? Thanks!
poseidonsf said:
I purchased this unit also from gearbest and like some things about it, but question other things.
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Congratulations! Like I said I dropped the idea of buying this due to reasons mentioned above.
poseidonsf said:
1. I can't launch other apps and listen to music at the same time. (i.e. when I load Google Maps, radio stops)
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This is really bad since it defeats the whole purpose of an Android-based HU. Are you using the stock music app or trying something you installed?
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2. No native capability to bluetooth tether. USB tethering with EasyTether also didn't work.
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I think all these units restrict the bluetooth to the MCU and is generally not available to other apps. Though I am not sure how Torque works.
poseidonsf said:
3. There are no microsd inputs like other Chinese Android units I've see thus far. I can connect a USB drive to 2 available connectors routed from the back of the unit. This isn't necessarily bad. Just requires different process for rooting that's TBD.
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I think you mean micro-USB and not micro-SD? I too have the same issue with my unit. I don't know how to connect it to the PC.
poseidonsf said:
4. Instructions are only in chinese. Don't know who really makes this device, or how to get their technical support. So far, gearbest has provided some answers, but they're far from accurate!
So that said, I'd like to root and install some different apps and drivers that might make USB or bluetooth tethering possible.
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This is a problem with most Chinese purchases - informed support is almost non-existent. However since you have an RK3188 based unit I think some of the support threads here may match your unit (at least partially). First try to get into the extra setting menu using the passwords given in the RK3188 threads and rooting as well. You need to find the thread that matches best to your unit/firmware based on trying out the various settings/tweaks. Don't flash anything till you are certain you are in the correct support thread. All the best!
poseidonsf said:
I purchased this unit also from gearbest and like some things about it, but question other things.
1. I can't launch other apps and listen to music at the same time. (i.e. when I load Google Maps, radio stops)
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I am sure that this is some soft/firmware restriction. Android 4.4 has a native support of multitasking, so it should be by default in any of core versions of this OS. Main problem that I didn't find any resources where this issue was resolved.
Mine will !
VladVell said:
I am sure that this is some soft/firmware restriction. Android 4.4 has a native support of multitasking, so it should be by default in any of core versions of this OS. Main problem that I didn't find any resources where this issue was resolved.
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From home screen touch Radio icon, then from Radio app touch home icon on top left, back to home, start app you want. Radio continues on my radio from CarJoying. Works fine;
cardio77 said:
From home screen touch Radio icon, then from Radio app touch home icon on top left, back to home, start app you want. Radio continues on my radio from CarJoying. Works fine;
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If it was so easy... )) On this HU someone just ****ed up with firmware configuration... I'll try to fix it .... well on my free time. Luck for us it's an opensource os
VladVell said:
If it was so easy... )) On this HU someone just ****ed up with firmware configuration... I'll try to fix it .... well on my free time. Luck for us it's an opensource os
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This is really awful - how can they sell a "Android" HU with such limitation? You should give the seller an earful and a bad review for the unit so they are forced to fix it!
I have the same unit also , the camera doesn't show when I am in reverse mode , the steering wheel don't work with the radio, rkpx3 model
I need to know what MCU is installed on this unit . Someone has any clues ?
You can have a glance at this Pumpkin HU for VW, http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pumpkin-Android-Navigation-Subwoofer-Multimedia/dp/B01D30XDXY/
Lol. Even on the official video where this HU was demonstrated , MCU version is 'unknown' ))) http://screencast.com/t/RnQxbkAZBaWX
VladVell said:
I need to know what MCU is installed on this unit . Someone has any clues ?
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I bought this device.
The menu is exactly the same, firmware is the same: JAX1603281325G-WQ-16EN.
There's a microSD slot on the front panel.
MCU version: 201601251011-SLX7786-GEN .
Built-in player and radio can not work in the background, and this is the biggest trouble. There is not a full solution is to install third - party players who know how to work in the background, for example: BlackPlayer. But unfortunately, in third-party players do not switch tracks from the steering buttons. Adjust the volume and MUTE works as it should, because these buttons are programmed for the entire system. I liked that as a quick call navigation, you can assign any button on the steering wheel and choose any app.
The unit is decent, especially for the price. But such silly mistake with a built-in player and radio can wipe out all the pluses. Wrote to the seller, promised to talk to the engineer, perhaps
Typo?
dahkob said:
There's a microSD slot on the front panel.
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Is that a typo? There is NO microSD slot on this unit. You can connect a USB Flash Drive to the USB connections on the back of the unit though.
poseidonsf said:
Is that a typo? There is NO microSD slot on this unit. You can connect a USB Flash Drive to the USB connections on the back of the unit though.
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No. I have already found it when disassembled this HU. Its located on left edge of device. You can use it to flash ROM , or like normal SD... Now I working with stock firmware, trying to solve all issue mentioned in this thread. Its not so easy... bcz this MCU and firmware are not usual for this type of HU, and I didn't worked with this OS before ).
VladVell said:
No. I have already found it when disassembled this HU. Its located on left edge of device.
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Ah yeah, you're right! Don't know how I overlooked that before. Good find VladVell!
VladVell said:
No. I have already found it when disassembled this HU. Its located on left edge of device. You can use it to flash ROM , or like normal SD... Now I working with stock firmware, trying to solve all issue mentioned in this thread. Its not so easy... bcz this MCU and firmware are not usual for this type of HU, and I didn't worked with this OS before ).
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I noticed that the built-in player and radio do not have the manifest permissions to change the audio system settings ("modify audio settings"). Using APKEditor added this line to manifest, but to save, unfortunately, did not work, because I get the error message: the program is already installed and is missing a digital signature. If necessary I can put the modified and the original source code of the apk "music" and "radio"... Now are struggling with receiving the digital signature, the idea is APK Editor must sign the modified apk with the native signature. Apparently, there is some protection.
n the process of using the device revealed the following shortcomings (about the first two already written):
1. Not running in the background built-in music player . That is, when playing music you can't use Navigator. You have to use one or the other.
2. Not running in the background built-in radio programme. That is, while playing the radio you can't use Navigator. You have to use one or the other.
3. Not running in the background audioclub built-in bluetooth . That is, when playing music from phone via bluetooth you can't use Navigator. So you have to use one or the other.
4. After the completion of the incoming call via the bluetooth Protocol SOMETIMES falls off the sound of the entire device. Most likely, the audio service bluetooth does not give audio device. You have to reboot the head unit by switching off the ignition.
5. I really want the joystick on the steering wheel could switch tracks on ALL the audio players and not just on the built.
6. Lost sound player and radio when you lock the screen (press on the power button), which is very inconvenient at night, since I want to eyes did not detract.
7. It is unclear how sync contacts via bluetooth. Some appear, some don't.
I received from the seller working firmware, music is now able to work together with NAV. If anyone needs - let me know.
Does anyone know where you can find the APK for the hacked Torque app uses to get around the Bluetooth connectivity issues (for the JY-UL135 if it matters) in the app with OBD readers? After I updated my head unit a while back, the app vanished (along with some other stuff, like the MirrorLink and such, oddly enough). I tried replacing it from the app store, but obviously that didn't work because of their stupid handling of the Bluetooth stack. I've scrounged around and so far have come up empty. I don't care so much about the other stuff, but having Torque was one thing I was really hoping to utilize.
are you still using the Joying ROM? it is in there somewhere. I forget if they have an "OEM" app or if that was Malaysk. But you can also use the APK installer app that is there and if you look at the head unit memory it will find the apk in there
CadillacMike said:
are you still using the Joying ROM? it is in there somewhere. I forget if they have an "OEM" app or if that was Malaysk. But you can also use the APK installer app that is there and if you look at the head unit memory it will find the apk in there
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Yeah, still stock. I'd thought about trying Malaysk's ROM, but was wary of the unstable state that it said it was in. I'll take a look. I know the tool you're talking about, I'll go dig around on it and see if I can find it somewhere and report back. Thanks!
You were right. The APKInstaller had them under OEM/apk. Unfortunately, I got no love from my OBD adapter as I'd hoped, so I guess that was an exercise in futility. Here's hoping they realize this is pretty much an issue for everyone trying to use OBD on their units and they patch it.
has yours worked before? I got a cheap one from Amazon and it worked with the Joying version of Torque.
I got this one to work:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00P...UTF8&psc=1
At first I could not see it. So I changed my Bluetooth password on the Joying to 1234 to match the OBDII. Then I had to disconnect my Samsung S7 Edge. Then when I searched I found the OBDII. I was able to connect it and reconnect my S7 Edge, and have both my phone and the OBDII adapter connected at the same time.
CadillacMike said:
has yours worked before? I got a cheap one from Amazon and it worked with the Joying version of Torque.
I got this one to work:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00P...UTF8&psc=1
At first I could not see it. So I changed my Bluetooth password on the Joying to 1234 to match the OBDII. Then I had to disconnect my Samsung S7 Edge. Then when I searched I found the OBDII. I was able to connect it and reconnect my S7 Edge, and have both my phone and the OBDII adapter connected at the same time.
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I've never had it work on the unit, but I hadn't tried until now when I realized the app had vanished. I have two readers, one is a bit bigger, the other is a smaller blue one just like the one on the Joying website. The bigger one has always worked with my phone. The smaller one doesn't even seem to work with my phone, so it might be that it's just straight up cheap, defective, Chinese crap in this case. I'll try changing the pin though and see if that helps.
I do see the communications lights flashing on it when the stereo is trying to get going with it, but it never manages to hook up.
you have to change the password on the Joying to match whatever the OBD is
Yeah, so this is neat. I got it working.
I DID have to change the password to 1234. But the funny part is, it still didn't work with the little blue dongle at first when I tested it. I moved back to my bigger one and connected it (worth noting, the blue one identifies itself as OBDII in the list, my big one is CBT - I mention this only because I've seen others report that the reader needs to be name OBD or OBDII). The little OBD icon didn't show up in the status bar this time, but Torque did see and connect to it without issue. So, not exactly how I thought I'd get there, but I found the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow after all.
Thanks for the suggestion, problem solved. Too bad I can't update the app. Part of me wants to see if I can get OBD Fusion to work on it (I like it better than Torque), but I suspect that'll be a fruitless endeavor.
I'm still trying to get mine to work changed password and see it as obdll but it just says paired device disconnected. Any ideas? I have the fy Android same as joying I guess thanks
TheQuicksilver said:
Does anyone know where you can find the APK for the hacked Torque app uses to get around the Bluetooth connectivity issues (for the JY-UL135 if it matters) in the app with OBD readers? After I updated my head unit a while back, the app vanished (along with some other stuff, like the MirrorLink and such, oddly enough). I tried replacing it from the app store, but obviously that didn't work because of their stupid handling of the Bluetooth stack. I've scrounged around and so far have come up empty. I don't care so much about the other stuff, but having Torque was one thing I was really hoping to utilize.
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I have been struggling with this with my OBD Eleven by Voltas since I've had it. It will pair nicely with my Teclast T10 Master tablet and cheapie M706 tablet, as well as my ZTE Axon Elite mobile 'phone. I have changed the Joying to 1234 and it starts to pair then it pops up another window for 2 seconds before it disappears, not long enough to do anything.
Any ideas welcome. I have a Joying UK-JY-VM130N2D
Up. I'm also looking for the modified Torque.apk from older Joying ROM
Please share download link.
Hi,
I am trying to buy an android head unit from aliexpress for my bmw f30 2013. Very few sellers answer questions and not to the point.
e.g.
1) does it supports after market front camera through RCA input and how easy is to select it? (e.g. does it appear automatically right after reverse gear)
2) does it support can bus messages or do I need a can bus converter. I have already tried 2 multimedia interfaces (IW06B-N23 and QHI-BM12) but they dont trigger the camera. So how to be sure that the same will not happen with the android head unit
3) which MCU is used in order to see if I will be able to find updated firmware on xda forum
4) will I hear oem radio during google maps navigation (hearing also google maps directions)
5) will it connect automatically to my iphone hotspot for internet
6) will it work for iphone 11.2 mirroring
7) will it show perfectly the oem screen
8) would I be able to use steering wheel controls for bluetooth and which bluetooth will I be able to use? the OEM one or the Android one?
9) would I be able to use idrive in google maps
All of the above I believe are very basic information that you cannot get from sellers. I dont understand how they sell or I am missing something here.
Is there anyone here with similar problems so we can help each other?
Regards,
Mike
With a name like Mike, you're maybe English or American? I really suggest buying locally. You'll pay £/$30 more but you'll get a warranty and protection from your local trading laws. Buying from China is a game of Russian roulette. I bought an Erisin from China before and it was absolutely fine. Lucky that, because one I bought from England was not fine, and I had to return it. Had it been the other way round, I'd have been in a world of trouble and £100+ down the ****ter.
1) does it supports after market front camera through RCA input and how easy is to select it? (e.g. does it appear automatically right after reverse gear)
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On mine, there's a setting for it to switch back to the front camera after the rear camera has been operating.
2) does it support can bus messages or do I need a can bus converter. I have already tried 2 multimedia interfaces (IW06B-N23 and QHI-BM12) but they dont trigger the camera. So how to be sure that the same will not happen with the android head unit
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It will come with a canbus decoder unit. Any unit worth it's salt will work correctly with your PDC system. Mine does.
3) which MCU is used in order to see if I will be able to find updated firmware on xda forum
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MCU is not important. It's the brand that puts out firmware updates. Xtrons, Joying and Eonon have fairly solid reputations for their updates. Xtrons have put out 5 so far for my unit. Erisin have a fairly flakey reputation. The rest are going to be a complete gamble and more likely you'll lose.
4) will I hear oem radio during google maps navigation (hearing also google maps directions)
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OEM radio? You're removing the OEM radio and replacing it with this. If you mean will you hear the radio and maps, yes, the maps software dips the volume in a very polite way
5) will it connect automatically to my iphone hotspot for internet
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Firstly, sack off the iPhone, it's crap and there's so many things you can do with Android that work with this unit (mine triggers the hotspot on and off when i get in and out of the car). In answer to your question, yes, you can connect it to your hotspot.
6) will it work for iphone 11.2 mirroring
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Only if the product spec says it will.
7) will it show perfectly the oem screen
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OEM screen?
8) would I be able to use steering wheel controls for bluetooth and which bluetooth will I be able to use? the OEM one or the Android one?
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Steering wheel controls work yep and they work with the calling.... at least mine do in my 3 series.
9) would I be able to use idrive in google maps
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You're mixing two entirely different software packages up here.
To conclude, if your car has iDrive. I wouldn't go anywhere near one of these systems, it'll be a ****ing minefield making it work. If yours is non iDrive, like mine, then it'll fit perfectly with no issues
Thank you for the supplied information. I am from Greece/EU and locally there are no such products.
Chinese solutions for BMW F30 are mainly changing only the screen (which is detachable) and the new one includes all the features inside the screen, so the main OEM function remain in-place.
I would take a look at xtrons as I have seen various posts here and they have a decent website hoping to receive updates but I dont know yet if they have an EU warehouse because import taxes is my country are very high. My concern stays for idrive and canbus integration mainly because I have already tested 2 other types of interface and non of them worked.
Lets see if xtrons will reply on aliexpress with more to the point questions!
skezza said:
With a name like Mike, you're maybe English or American? I really suggest buying locally. You'll pay £/$30 more but you'll get a warranty and protection from your local trading laws. Buying from China is a game of Russian roulette. I bought an Erisin from China before and it was absolutely fine. Lucky that, because one I bought from England was not fine, and I had to return it. Had it been the other way round, I'd have been in a world of trouble and £100+ down the ****ter.
On mine, there's a setting for it to switch back to the front camera after the rear camera has been operating.
It will come with a canbus decoder unit. Any unit worth it's salt will work correctly with your PDC system. Mine does.
MCU is not important. It's the brand that puts out firmware updates. Xtrons, Joying and Eonon have fairly solid reputations for their updates. Xtrons have put out 5 so far for my unit. Erisin have a fairly flakey reputation. The rest are going to be a complete gamble and more likely you'll lose.
OEM radio? You're removing the OEM radio and replacing it with this. If you mean will you hear the radio and maps, yes, the maps software dips the volume in a very polite way
Firstly, sack off the iPhone, it's crap and there's so many things you can do with Android that work with this unit (mine triggers the hotspot on and off when i get in and out of the car). In answer to your question, yes, you can connect it to your hotspot.
Only if the product spec says it will.
OEM screen?
Steering wheel controls work yep and they work with the calling.... at least mine do in my 3 series.
You're mixing two entirely different software packages up here.
To conclude, if your car has iDrive. I wouldn't go anywhere near one of these systems, it'll be a ****ing minefield making it work. If yours is non iDrive, like mine, then it'll fit perfectly with no issues
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Your car has iDrive? Be very careful. Those systems are so much more complicated. The reason the non-iDrive works is because it's actually still a simple system. It's just a whole bunch of relays triggered by other relays and a few more relays and then somewhere there's a computer that does it all. iDrive has it's own dedicated computer which does so much more and offers so much more functionality, and that's where you might find problems. Getting those two systems integrated could be an absolute minefield.
mnikitas said:
Hi,
I am trying to buy an android head unit from aliexpress for my bmw f30 2013. Very few sellers answer questions and not to the point.
e.g.
1) does it supports after market front camera through RCA input and how easy is to select it? (e.g. does it appear automatically right after reverse gear)
2) does it support can bus messages or do I need a can bus converter. I have already tried 2 multimedia interfaces (IW06B-N23 and QHI-BM12) but they dont trigger the camera. So how to be sure that the same will not happen with the android head unit
3) which MCU is used in order to see if I will be able to find updated firmware on xda forum
4) will I hear oem radio during google maps navigation (hearing also google maps directions)
5) will it connect automatically to my iphone hotspot for internet
6) will it work for iphone 11.2 mirroring
7) will it show perfectly the oem screen
8) would I be able to use steering wheel controls for bluetooth and which bluetooth will I be able to use? the OEM one or the Android one?
9) would I be able to use idrive in google maps
All of the above I believe are very basic information that you cannot get from sellers. I dont understand how they sell or I am missing something here.
Is there anyone here with similar problems so we can help each other?
Regards,
Mike
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Not sure if you are still around or found more info but the above posts are incorrect. The unit you are buying is more than likely the 10.25 screen upgrade with Android built in. It will work in tandem with idrive....everything works and it is easy install and upgrade.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10-...00a8-4760-8b00-b2efeaa2fb7e&priceBeautifyAB=0
So a stupid question, it seems there are several Chinese companies that sell these 10.25" Android panels for the F30 BMW. Though the interface looks exactly the same despite who made the tablet, is there really a difference in the ROM image between makes? The one I have is from COG Android (atleast that is what the Bluetooth ID says). I have had in other cars Joying and ITOPWay, are they really something different ( I almost suspect they are the same company)?
mnikitas said:
Hi,
I am trying to buy an android head unit from aliexpress for my bmw f30 2013. Very few sellers answer questions and not to the point.
e.g.
1) does it supports after market front camera through RCA input and how easy is to select it? (e.g. does it appear automatically right after reverse gear)
2) does it support can bus messages or do I need a can bus converter. I have already tried 2 multimedia interfaces (IW06B-N23 and QHI-BM12) but they dont trigger the camera. So how to be sure that the same will not happen with the android head unit
3) which MCU is used in order to see if I will be able to find updated firmware on xda forum
4) will I hear oem radio during google maps navigation (hearing also google maps directions)
5) will it connect automatically to my iphone hotspot for internet
6) will it work for iphone 11.2 mirroring
7) will it show perfectly the oem screen
8) would I be able to use steering wheel controls for bluetooth and which bluetooth will I be able to use? the OEM one or the Android one?
9) would I be able to use idrive in google maps
All of the above I believe are very basic information that you cannot get from sellers. I dont understand how they sell or I am missing something here.
Is there anyone here with similar problems so we can help each other?
Regards,
Mike
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Hi,
you can have a look below dasaita plug and play products hence it is the most popular and reliable android seller on the market ;
https://dasaita.aliexpress.com/stor...l?spm=a2g1y.12024536.pcShopHead_5904672.1_2_1
cheers.
Need some help anyone that has tested any of the units ,need some advice on purchasing one.
Stability
Reliability
Features
Easy of use
Can't speak for the Pumpkin, but the ATOTO A6 series, for me, has been stable and reliable, has some good features (dual Bluetooth, real 2s boot, decent audio quality with a Toshiba pre-amp, bright, vibrant IPS screen, 2Gb RAM, decent internal/external mic, external WiFi antenna, strong GPS performance, 2 amp USB charging, 3 USB connections, 256GB microSD card support, works well with just about any ELM Bluetooth OBD2 reader, Bluetooth 5.0 with aptX.). The resolution on the Atoto is higher, 1024x600, compared to 800x480 on the Pumpkin. That right there is a deal-breaker for me on the Pumpkin.
The Pumpkin does have a volume dial, nice to have, and it also has a DVD drive and can do video-out to rear seat monitors, something the Atoto can't do. But that volume dial and DVD drive mean a smaller screen than the Atoto.
Ease of use, well, that's mostly down to the launcher you go with, really, and none of the Chinese head units have a good launcher, you'll want something from the Play store like FCC or CWG. Pumpkin's FM tuner app is much better looking, but Atoto's app works well enough.
The gesture control on the Atoto is a nice feature, but it's really best suited to cars that have head units that are higher (like, say, a Focus or BRZ) so your normal hand movements from the center console/shifter up to the wheel don't set it off. I'd recommend getting the non-gesture A6 Pro unit if your head unit is low-mounted, save a little money and get a front panel USB port in the process. And go with the Pro, not the Premium, because on the Pro versions get the superior IPS display and BT 5.0.
Biggest downside of the Atoto units is that there's no custom ROM support for MediaTek head units, while the Pumpkin units have good ROM support here on XDA. On the upside, Atoto is pretty good about updating firmware and their customer service really seems to be responsive.
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Can't speak for the Pumpkin, but the ATOTO A6 series, for me, has been stable and reliable, has some good features (dual Bluetooth, real 2s boot, decent audio quality with a Toshiba pre-amp, bright, vibrant IPS screen, 2Gb RAM, decent internal/external mic, external WiFi antenna, strong GPS performance, 2 amp USB charging, 3 USB connections, 256GB microSD card support, works well with just about any ELM Bluetooth OBD2 reader, Bluetooth 5.0 with aptX.). The resolution on the Atoto is higher, 1024x600, compared to 800x480 on the Pumpkin. That right there is a deal-breaker for me on the Pumpkin.
The Pumpkin does have a volume dial, nice to have, and it also has a DVD drive and can do video-out to rear seat monitors, something the Atoto can't do. But that volume dial and DVD drive mean a smaller screen than the Atoto.
Ease of use, well, that's mostly down to the launcher you go with, really, and none of the Chinese head units have a good launcher, you'll want something from the Play store like FCC or CWG. Pumpkin's FM tuner app is much better looking, but Atoto's app works well enough.
The gesture control on the Atoto is a nice feature, but it's really best suited to cars that have head units that are higher (like, say, a Focus or BRZ) so your normal hand movements from the center console/shifter up to the wheel don't set it off. I'd recommend getting the non-gesture A6 Pro unit if your head unit is low-mounted, save a little money and get a front panel USB port in the process. And go with the Pro, not the Premium, because on the Pro versions get the superior IPS display and BT 5.0.
Biggest downside of the Atoto units is that there's no custom ROM support for MediaTek head units, while the Pumpkin units have good ROM support here on XDA. On the upside, Atoto is pretty good about updating firmware and their customer service really seems to be responsive.
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Would you say the Pro version is actually worth the extra $50 just for the IPS display and 5.0 BT? I'm debating on getting the A6 Premium or the XTron TE706PL. Also, if you change launchers on the A6, will it remove or change the bottom nav bar that has home/back/dropdown/etc or the status bar at all? I find it kind of redundant having the home button on touch screen when there's also a physical button for it.
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Would you say the Pro version is actually worth the extra $50 just for the IPS display and 5.0 BT? I'm debating on getting the A6 Premium or the XTron TE706PL. Also, if you change launchers on the A6, will it remove or change the bottom nav bar that has home/back/dropdown/etc or the status bar at all? I find it kind of redundant having the home button on touch screen when there's also a physical button for it.
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Yes, as an owner of last year's A6 model, which had the same TFT display as the A6Y Premium, the IPS display on my new Pro is well worth the extra money IMO. Just much nicer looking. Also, the Pro gets the much better Toshiba preamp, also worth some extra money IMO. Bluetooth 5.0, not so much, for me, as I don't stream anything from my phone, all music is coming from the head unit.
The bottom nav bar never goes away, it's part of the firmware (and some Atoto units, like my old one, don't have a home button anywhere else). But trust me, you'll come to appreciate having it there all the time, if for no other reason than the quick access of the notification tray/quick settings is easier, faster, and safer than trying to swipe down, and in my case I use that feature quite often. It is also the only place with a back button.
Apps can get rid of the top status bar, as can some launchers.
Here's a video I shot of my A6Y Pro yesterday, in the car:
https://youtu.be/s5XWAJzk93s
And here's one of my old A6, same car, same parking spot, same lighting/time of day, shot using the same camera. That should give you an idea on the difference in screen quality between the Premium screen and the Pro IPS screen.
https://youtu.be/HFz_Epqj1D8
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Just bought this and am setting everything up in my home now, it's really sweet. One question though, have you got any tips or tricks to get OK Google to call/text? I've tried and it says it isn't possible to. I've seen people using MTCDialer, and without trying it myself, I've read it won't work with our A6 because it doesn't use the correct CPU. Going to install this on my 07 G6 this Sunday, hoping everything works out.
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Just bought this and am setting everything up in my home now, it's really sweet. One question though, have you got any tips or tricks to get OK Google to call/text? I've tried and it says it isn't possible to. I've seen people using MTCDialer, and without trying it myself, I've read it won't work with our A6 because it doesn't use the correct CPU. Going to install this on my 07 G6 this Sunday, hoping everything works out.
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You could try using the Hound app, give it all the permissions, and use keyword "OK Hound" instead. That's what ATOTO recommends for now. I never faffed around with it, because my phone will dial out on "OK Google" voice commands and still run the call through the ATOTO unit's mic and display, even in my pocket most times (Essential PH-1 on 8.1). Only thing I can't do and still see/control on the ATOTO unit is sending text via voice.
What CANBUS adapter are you going to use in your G6? I like the PAC GM11 with built-in chimes/turn signal clicks, but if you still have the stock 07 gauge cluster, you will still get chimes through the cluster and can use a cheaper Metra/Axxess unit. But since I retrofitted the 09 gauge cluster (with DIC in the dash display) which doesn't have a chime module built in, I wanted the chimes. I also prefer PAC's steering wheel control module, and the GM11 has an output wire to make install easier with the SW1-RC.
Another pro-tip if using PAC steering wheel controls, use the blue/white "Kenwood" wire on the PAC box to the ORANGE key + wire on the ATOTO harness, and follow the PAC programming instructions for Pioneer head units and it will work like a charm.
And like I mentioned elsewhere, the best looking, best fitting dash kit for a G6 is (IMO) the Schoshe GM kit, and Walmart stocks it. The texture on the Metra kits is kinda ugly and doesn't blend in as well with the HVAC controls in the console.
Yup I did some digging on their website trying to see the latest update (which I still haven't found...?) and saw they made that post about Hound. Seems to work relatively well honestly and that's more than okay for me. I purchased the C2R-GM11B instead of the C2R-GM11, and I sadly did get the metra dash kit. Looking at your video and mounting the kit in the front of my radio I ordered the Scosche immediately... The metra's bezel is huge...! Haven't even unpacked the thing until you brought it up. Good save.
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Yup I did some digging on their website trying to see the latest update (which I still haven't found...?) and saw they made that post about Hound. Seems to work relatively well honestly and that's more than okay for me. I purchased the C2R-GM11B instead of the C2R-GM11, and I sadly did get the metra dash kit. Looking at your video and mounting the kit in the front of my radio I ordered the Scosche immediately... The metra's bezel is huge...! Haven't even unpacked the thing until you brought it up. Good save.
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You'll be cooking with gas soon! And you're using the right PAC unit, 11B has a harness that fits '05-09, while the non-B fits the 09.5 and '10 G6.
As for the latest update, according to my support girl at ATOTO, all the Pro units sold through Amazon have the latest firmware already installed. Might be a few months before we see an update, depending on how many bugs they get out of us folks actually using them in the real world. But for the most part it's a mature firmware, since the SoC and OS is the same as the 2017 A6, which has been out in the wild for over a year now, and there's a reason they stick with Marshmallow. For that matter, the same 9.4.1 firmware file is meant to be flashed on both the old and new units, but there is a different MCU flash for the Pro models (because new aptX Bluetooth 5.0 stack and gesture control module).
Forgot to ask, do you have the Monsoon system? If so, and you're using the line-level outputs on the A6, you might get a little "computer noise" from the unit, especially when it heavily accesses WiFi. It's not loud, and doesn't increase with system volume, only notice it in quiet passages or when not playing audio at all, but it was there. But that's based on my old 2017 unit that was hooked up to my Monsoon amp, might be a non-issue on the new unit since its a totally different chassis and preamp. Good news is that when I went full-aftermarket on the amp and used RCA cables that noise went away.
Oh, one other pro-tip. Go to Settings/About, tap on the Model Number(A6 Pro) four times, and when it asks for a password, enter 1238 to access the microphone gain controls and turn that up to at least 6 (default is 4). Do the same thing again but use password 1617 and you'll get a menu with some other hidden settings, like touch calibration, parking guidelines for your reverse camera, etc.
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Would you say the Pro version is actually worth the extra $50 just for the IPS display and 5.0 BT? I'm debating on getting the A6 Premium or the XTron TE706PL. Also, if you change launchers on the A6, will it remove or change the bottom nav bar that has home/back/dropdown/etc or the status bar at all? I find it kind of redundant having the home button on touch screen when there's also a physical button for it.
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I am blown away by ATOTO A6 Pro and quality. It worth the extra $50 just for the IPS display and the inclusion of AptX
XTron TE706PL
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Would you say the Pro version is actually worth the extra $50 just for the IPS display and 5.0 BT? I'm debating on getting the A6 Premium or the XTron TE706PL. Also, if you change launchers on the A6, will it remove or change the bottom nav bar that has home/back/dropdown/etc or the status bar at all? I find it kind of redundant having the home button on touch screen when there's also a physical button for it.
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Has anyone gotten a chance to test the Atoto vs the XTron TE706PL?
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XTron TE706PL
Has anyone gotten a chance to test the Atoto vs the XTron TE706PL?
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I'm curious about this too. I have the te706pl running hal9k, but I'm intrigued about the higher rms in the atoto and the ips display, and if someone has tried both devices and could speak on the differences.
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I am blown away by ATOTO A6 Pro and quality. It worth the extra $50 just for the IPS display and the inclusion of AptX
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Wouldn't you want a comparison of the gen2 atoto? Have you read the xda wiki on atoto.
*picture removed - its a Chinese "OEM" looking unit with a purple IR dot bottom right*
Bought an M3 last week and it had this unit in it.
I've not really got a clue how to use it to It's strength though.
I've currently got my phone hotspot turned on 24/7 as I can't see a way of having it come on when it connects to the car.
The launcher in that picture is a pain as the radio app is junk. I can't tune any FM stations other than Radio 2 and 4. Is there an app that can tune actual FM radio rather than Internet radio that's fit for a car?
I've been playing around with a launcher called Agama tonight which allows me to control what apps open from the touch screen, if I can get a proper FM tuner, can it be mapped to the hard button?
I'm sure I'll have more questions so get used to the sight of me and sorry in advance.
Edit: can't post the picture until I've got 10 posts. Hoping some of you more familiar with these types of head units can help.
Without a picture, it's really hard to say what unit it is, but it is possibly one of the Eonon or Xtrons units, take a look at their websites and see if you can ID the unit. Also, take a look in Settings->About Machine and tell us what info is in there, including the firmware version and MCU type/version, which will help in id-ing the unit and giving advice on how to progress.
If it's not too old, then you may be able to install a custom ROM to get it up to date (easy to do). There are other Radio apps that you can use, but setting them as the default can be a pain, I'm not 100% sure but I think you will need a custom ROM to be able to achieve this.
I reckon you might have it with Xtrons based on the button pattern.
Top left down is Navi, Band, Menu, Mode
Some in Google images have different buttons such as home (which the menu seems to do in mine)
I couldn't tell anything of use from the settings but I recall it has android 9 so it can't be that old. It's in better condition that the rest of the interior that's for sure.
I have two female USB's sticking out from under the steering column. What might they be for?
Can anyone recommend a proper tuner app for the radio that uses actual FM radio rather than the Internet?
Thanks for looking.
Another question, do these Chinese units have a sub output?
I don't have HK in the car so looking for a little extra bass.
So I went the medieval route to identifying the unit - I pulled it out and had a look.
The only markings to give it away was a huge "hizpo" sticker on the side. Google/ebay search found this https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/7-DAB-An...071044?hash=item5b72aea104:g:R4sAAOSwxMFemRw5
Although that is Android 10 and mine is 9
Looks like a piece of junk tbh. Is it worse junk than it's simular Eonon and Xtron counterparts?
I've been left with the bare minimum wiring at the back. None of the audio/visual in/outputs are there. The GPS antenna is just a stubby on the back of the unit, there's nothing for DAB.
What do we think, junk it and replace it or try and get the right ancillaries?
I was thinking of a small sub and amp and a reverse camera and would like DAB which are all out at the moment..
Hi Matt,
most do not come with DAB+ but you get a usb dongle and install an app, DAB-Z is very good,
https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/3031914365...SWq6_GyD1IyftEY8s3tRj4-ntcgqxfuxoCnX4QAvD_BwE
some of these units are poor, so can be very good. Little hard to tell without the full details of your unit, and if you dont have all the wiring for your sub etc, then its down to you if you replace it or not
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Hi Matt,
most do not come with DAB+ but you get a usb dongle and install an app, DAB-Z is very good,
https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/3031914365...SWq6_GyD1IyftEY8s3tRj4-ntcgqxfuxoCnX4QAvD_BwE
some of these units are poor, so can be very good. Little hard to tell without the full details of your unit, and if you dont have all the wiring for your sub etc, then its down to you if you replace it or not
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Are the wiring harnesses the same across the units that all look the same?
I ask that with a small hope I could buy just the harness but I can't find Eonon or Xtrons sell them on their own.
If you were to recommend the better units, what ones would you say? Has to be from the OEM look selection. Don't like naff looking screens sticking out of the dash.
I keep looking back to the Avin Avant 4 which is much closer to the OEM look with the button layout and has a lot of extra's, one of which is the ibus interface. You seem to be able to access the cars computers like NCS and do basic coding, show the PDC radar and potentially show navigations cues on the binnacle,.
That appears to be a 3rd party gadget I could add to this unit if I wanted to but not sure this one is worth it.
I will say I found an option in the equaliser "loud" that has made a vast improvement to the audio. but it still feels like it needs a sub.
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Are the wiring harnesses the same across the units that all look the same?
I ask that with a small hope I could buy just the harness but I can't find Eonon or Xtrons sell them on their own.
If you were to recommend the better units, what ones would you say? Has to be from the OEM look selection. Don't like naff looking screens sticking out of the dash.
I keep looking back to the Avin Avant 4 which is much closer to the OEM look with the button layout and has a lot of extra's, one of which is the ibus interface. You seem to be able to access the cars computers like NCS and do basic coding, show the PDC radar and potentially show navigations cues on the binnacle,.
That appears to be a 3rd party gadget I could add to this unit if I wanted to but not sure this one is worth it.
I will say I found an option in the equaliser "loud" that has made a vast improvement to the audio. but it still feels like it needs a sub.
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No, the wiring is different on them, so your better off replacing the unit. Eonon and Xtrons have a good following and also dev's playing around with bits, so it would be a good route to go down, but dont hold me to that if it goes wrong haha, also PX6 should be good units, so another safer bet
Sorry, I am a complete noob here and have noticed this in the various different sites selling them - PX6? What is that, is it just the chip in the same vein as a snapdragon for instance?
Th Avant one comes in either PX30 or PX6 - other than the RAM and the storage, what's the benefit of the PX6? Process/bootup speed?
Matt_Android said:
Sorry, I am a complete noob here and have noticed this in the various different sites selling them - PX6? What is that, is it just the chip in the same vein as a snapdragon for instance?
Th Avant one comes in either PX30 or PX6 - other than the RAM and the storage, what's the benefit of the PX6? Process/bootup speed?
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Rockchip is a manufacturer of SoCs (Systems on a chip), they make a range of general-purpose SoCs (eg RK3399). The PX6 is a SoC based on their RK3399 specifically tailored towards android head units. PX6 is the latest, it is a 6 core processor. The PX5 (based on RK3368) is the previous version, it is an 8 core processor. I don't know much about PX30, I believe it is older than PX5. PX6 is faster in most benchmarks despite having fewer processor cores. For the small-screen in-dash units, you probably want to look at Xtrons or Avin, they both have relatively good reputations
I have one of the 9" screen units in my E39 (very similar dash to the E46) and to my eyes, it just looks like it is meant to be there. It's not a perfect fit, but it is very close. But the extra screen real estate makes it more than worth the trade-off imho.
I only noticed today (because I was watching a YouTube video of one being installed) the Avant 4 has no disc drive at all. I rarely use discs, granted, but not sure I'm ready to sacrifice the option altogether.