Just putting the feelers out to gauge whether or not it was a coincidence.
Installed developer preview 4 when it released in the AM, used all day, happy as Larry with the speed and battery improvement. Went to bed later that day with the phone on charge and come morning fingerprint sensor was unresponsive, power button did nothing, went for reset and zilch. No access to bootloader, recovery, USB unresponsive and 3 different chargers did nothing.
I'm not after diagnostics as I just took it back to the EE store and they sent it off, yesterday it was marked as exchange requested so they've certified it FUBAR too.
Has anything similar happened after installing DP4?
I would have to call a negative from my end. DP 4 has been about as rock solid as 7.1.2. The only issues I have had pertain to bluetooth and they aren't anything I wasn't having with the 7.0 builds. I am pretty sure that software can't kill your hardware quite like that. If anything. You'd still have some trace of life (a lit screen or something).
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How did you install dp4
If via fastboot have you installed it on both slots or only one.
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Does it make a difference if it's fatsbooted to both slots or not?
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Does it make a difference if it's fatsbooted to both slots or not?
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I know that the bootloop of death on the Nexus 6P (which is different from what you are experiencing) would frequently follow an OTA update. For a fairly long while Huawei was trying to claim that Android Nougat was to blame for the bootloops and that there were no hardware problems with the phone--which was eventually proven to be untrue. But a lot of Nexus 6P owners were afraid to update from Marshmallow because they thought it would nuke their phones. I'm on DP4 and have had no issues. It sounds like there was a hardware failure on your phone. Considering Google's poor track record with the 5X and 6P I wouldn't be surprised if a lot more of these phones start failing since we're getting close to the one year mark since the Pixels came out. That was around when those Nexus phones started dying in large numbers. And even though Pixel owners and devs on XDA seem to be in a complete state of denial about this both the CPU and the battery run at higher temperatures on the Pixel than they did on either of the Nexus devices that failed.
Of course it makes a difference. If you are not flashing both slots you have whatever was on the other slot left. Old boot old Bootloader etc. That can lead to serious problems. If you were on a custom you even have a not stock boot on 2nd slot. Same problems starting with twrp when you don't have stock on both slots. So my advice before trying something new flash stock to both slots.
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And even though Pixel owners and devs on XDA seem to be in a complete state of denial about this both the CPU and the battery run at higher temperatures on the Pixel than they did on either of the Nexus devices that failed.
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This is the world's smallest violin, and it's playing just for you.
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This is the world's smallest violin, and it's playing just for you.
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Really? Because I've read at least a dozen different posts on XDA and elsewhere where Pixel owners describe the exact same thing that this user experienced --ond day they pick up their Pixel and it seems to be completely dead, not responding to being plugged into a charger or holding down the buttons or anything else.
It's a shame that there are so many people in the XDA Pixel threads who are either genuinely stupid or willfully blind when it comes to this phone. If you actually dare to leave the safe caccoon of XDA and check out the official Google Support threads for the Pixel XL you will probably be shocked to find out how many people are actually having serious problems with these phones. XDA is pretty much an alternative universe where discussion of the Pixel is concerned.
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Really? Because I've read at least a dozen different posts on XDA and elsewhere where Pixel owners describe the exact same thing that this user experienced --ond day they pick up their Pixel and it seems to be completely dead, not responding to being plugged into a charger or holding down the buttons or anything else.
It's a shame that there are so many people in the XDA Pixel threads who are either genuinely stupid or willfully blind when it comes to this phone. If you actually dare to leave the safe caccoon of XDA and check out the official Google Support threads for the Pixel XL you will probably be shocked to find out how many people are actually having serious problems with these phones. XDA is pretty much an alternative universe where discussion of the Pixel is concerned.
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i have also read a number of those posts for any other electronic device, it's called a lemon. Oh and if a phone dies in the manner that happened to OP, Google will actually replace their device for free because it's part of their warranty. That's an actual device failure.
Unlike leaving a phone sitting on the dash in the middle of the summer connected to an unsupported charger with no AC running and wondering why thermal protections are being tripped...
Come on man, this community did nothing but try to help you when you first came to us with your issues but your attitude... calling devs lazy because they develop what they want on their free time (instead of things that have been deprecated lol), calling other users fanboys for making suggestions, or calling the collective community genuinely stupid or willfully blind because you're singing your song in the manner that you do.
Check the official Google Support thread. More than 50 people have reported the exact same problem as you since November. And I mean exactly the same. The problem has nothing to do with DP4 or flashing. It's a build problem with the phone. XDA Pixel XL threads are much closer to being propoganda threads than genuine support threads. People here for some reason will not acknowledge that there are serious problems with this phone.
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Check the official Google Support thread. More than 50 people have reported the exact same problem as you since November. And I mean exactly the same. The problem has nothing to do with DP4 or flashing. It's a build problem with the phone. XDA Pixel XL threads are much closer to being propoganda threads than genuine support threads. People here for some reason will not acknowledge that there are serious problems with this phone.
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propaganda is me saying "pixels are the best, best battery life, buy it!".
What we have been saying is "contact google, our phones dont have the issues you've been experiencing you may need to replace your device"
I can understand how those two things sound similar... lol. Believe it or not, those same people on those forums are either gonna replace their device or buy a new one. We are but a fraction of the pixel user base, just because your experience is negative does not mean ours must be as well. You got a bad phone man, replace it.
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Check the official Google Support thread. More than 50 people have reported the exact same problem as you since November. And I mean exactly the same. The problem has nothing to do with DP4 or flashing. It's a build problem with the phone. XDA Pixel XL threads are much closer to being propoganda threads than genuine support threads. People here for some reason will not acknowledge that there are serious problems with this phone.
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50 people is nothing bro. That's not a build defect at all if it's only 50 people. 500-1000 and then I would agree it's a defect. 50 is not nearly enough to say that. There's over a million of these devices in circulation right now. 50 being broken with you're issue is nothing.
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50 people is nothing bro. That's not a build defect at all if it's only 50 people. 500-1000 and then I would agree it's a defect. 50 is not nearly enough to say that. There's over a million of these devices in circulation right now. 50 being broken with you're issue is nothing.
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50 people reporting an identical problem as serious as the phone completely dying without warning is clearly not nothing. You also aren't taking into account the fact that everyone who encountered the problem obviously didn't report that fact on the Google Support Thread--that number just represents the people who encountered the issue and also use the support thread and bothered to add themselves to the thread. The complaints also aren't spaced evenly between November and today--the rate of phones reported dying has increased as the phone has been out longer. The number of Pixel phones that have actually died is obviously much higher than 50 and this is a phone that didn't even sell that many units in the first place--Otterbox reduced the price of their Defender Case for the Pixel XL from $60 to just $20 within months of the phone's release, which is something I have never seen with any other phone. Since the Pixel XL was priced so high and only offered by a single carrier that clearly suppressed sales.
There have also been multiple reports on XDA of Pixel XL phones dying without warning but people on XDA have chosen to not see any connection between the individual posts and treat each one as if it is happening in a vacuum. The specific person who reported his issue clearly had no idea that other people previously reported the same thing and the responses tried to make it seem like this was a completely isolated incident likely caused by a flashing error on the part of the phone's owner. When I suggested that the cause was actually a hardware issue, which is unquestionably the case, the response to my post was mocking derision.
I have no idea why Pixel owners on XDA are in such a complete state of denial when it comes to this phone to the point of knee jerk defensiveness but a quick comparison between the posts on the XDA Support Thread and the ones on the Google Support Thread make it very obvious that its happening.
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50 people reporting an identical problem as serious as the phone completely dying without warning is clearly not nothing. You also aren't taking into account the fact that everyone who encountered the problem obviously didn't report that fact on the Google Support Thread--that number just represents the people who encountered the issue and also use the support thread and bothered to add themselves to the thread. The complaints also aren't spaced evenly between November and today--the rate of phones reported dying has increased as the phone has been out longer. The number of Pixel phones that have actually died is obviously much higher than 50 and this is a phone that didn't even sell that many units in the first place--Otterbox reduced the price of their Defender Case for the Pixel XL from $60 to just $20 within months of the phone's release, which is something I have never seen with any other phone. Since the Pixel XL was priced so high and only offered by a single carrier that clearly suppressed sales.
There have also been multiple reports on XDA of Pixel XL phones dying without warning but people on XDA have chosen to not see any connection between the individual posts and treat each one as if it is happening in a vacuum. The specific person who reported his issue clearly had no idea that other people previously reported the same thing and the responses tried to make it seem like this was a completely isolated incident likely caused by a flashing error on the part of the phone's owner. When I suggested that the cause was actually a hardware issue, which is unquestionably the case, the response to my post was mocking derision.
I have no idea why Pixel owners on XDA are in such a complete state of denial when it comes to this phone to the point of knee jerk defensiveness but a quick comparison between the posts on the XDA Support Thread and the ones on the Google Support Thread make it very obvious that its happening.
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You have absolutely no proof this issue is as wide spread as you say. Many many people have told you they don't have any issues like this. And you insult them and call them fanboys. You're so one sided with this it's ridiculous. You can't say you know this issue is wide spread because you found a few threads on xda and 50 reports on Google's support threads. I've seen the threads on xda that you're referencing. You're in every one of them. You're merely speculating that there's way more of these issues than the amount reported.
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Of course it makes a difference. If you are not flashing both slots you have whatever was on the other slot left. Old boot old Bootloader etc. That can lead to serious problems. If you were on a custom you even have a not stock boot on 2nd slot. Same problems starting with twrp when you don't have stock on both slots. So my advice before trying something new flash stock to both slots.
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may i ask how you flash a factory image to both slots...thank you
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may i ask how you flash a factory image to both slots...thank you
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Flash it to you're current slot. Then use command "fastboot set_active _a" or "_b" to switch slots. Then flash the image again. Then reboot.
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Flash it to you're current slot. Then use command "fastboot set_active _a" or "_b" to switch slots. Then flash the image again. Then reboot.
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just a followup question, the active slot that it was flashed to is shown in fastboot screen correct? so just run the command will switch it ...will it the current active slots switch from a-b or b-a be shown on the fastboot screen? hope i don't sound confusing, just want to make sure i understand it correctly as I don't want to end up with a bricked device bc i booting into a slot that was empty im new to pixel
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just a followup question, the active slot that it was flashed to is shown in fastboot screen correct? so just run the command will switch it ...will it the current active slots switch from a-b or b-a be shown on the fastboot screen? hope i don't sound confusing, just want to make sure i understand it correctly as I don't want to end up with a bricked device bc i booting into a slot that was empty im new to pixel
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I did forget one step. After you run the command to switch. Reboot the bootloader. The active slot will change after rebooting the bootloader. It will show right in the bootloader.
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I did forget one step. After you run the command to switch. Reboot the bootloader. The active slot will change after rebooting the bootloader. It will show right in the bootloader.
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ok i was wondering if it was safe to reboot to bootloader after running the command, thank you sir....wish a dev could find a way to disable slot a or b for users who unlock their bootloaders, it would simplify thing...
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Hi all,
I just want to share my opinions over our beloved (or better, your beloved) flagship 2014 killer device.
I had been lucky enough to buy the phone out of an invite, so i should really don't blame about this absurd invite-only policy. Anyways, they're just making the hype grow until the components are not high-end spec anymore, so when everyone will have the possibility to buy the device there will be Snapdragon 805 terminals out and the older 801 will be way cheaper for the company.
What i dont like: this thing is big, way too big. I have medium sized hands and this thing is so uncomfortable. I knew about it just out of the box, so if you don't have massive hands you will probably think the same.
Moreover, I have unlocked and rooted my device to be able to use root apps. So far no problem for me, and I thank God about it. Customer support is just a joke, they have said that the phone will not lose warranty if we tweak it and then they do not offer support to people causing havoc to their device. They should have just stated that rooted devices will get out of warranty so to make customers more savvy about causing damage.
Three, camera is non that good as they stated at the start. It does photos full of noise and most of the time white balance is way off.
To add: touchscreen is not working properly. When I tyoe fast ghost touches slow me down a lot. Faults like these are not acceptable. Every good company should delay the launch of their device in front of this kind of issues, and they didn't do it.
I think that's all. At the end of all these evaluations: I wish i had bought a Nexus 5 instead of this.
I will keep it until next Nexus will be out, can't wait to get rid of this thing.
Just my 0.02
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That may be your experience, but I have had zero issues with camera noise, and definitely no ghost issues. You should get an RMA and request a replacement device. I've had about 35-50 Android devices since 2009, and this is one of my absolute favorites of all time. I agree that production issues may abound, but that's what happens when you get in on the bleeding edge, and with a brand new company(And for every post like yours, I see many more positives). However, just because you will not lose warranty for rooting doesn't mean it is THEIR responsibility to fix your rooting issues. That's what this community(and their forum) is for.
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That may be your experience, but I have had zero issues with camera noise, and definitely no ghost issues. You should get an RMA and request a replacement device. I've had about 35-50 Android devices since 2009, and this is one of my absolute favorites of all time. I agree that production issues may abound, but that's what happens when you get in on the bleeding edge, and with a brand new company(And for every post like yours, I see many more positives). However, just because you will not lose warranty for rooting doesn't mean it is THEIR responsibility to fix your rooting issues. That's what this community(and their forum) is for.
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Just ordered mine Friday. I have a Nexus 5 but just needed to check out this "Flagship Killer". Like you I have had a lot of devices and glad to hear you are liking your OPO.
Sent from my Nexus 5
dubbactrumpetmsu said:
That may be your experience, but I have had zero issues with camera noise, and definitely no ghost issues. You should get an RMA and request a replacement device. I've had about 35-50 Android devices since 2009, and this is one of my absolute favorites of all time. I agree that production issues may abound, but that's what happens when you get in on the bleeding edge, and with a brand new company(And for every post like yours, I see many more positives). However, just because you will not lose warranty for rooting doesn't mean it is THEIR responsibility to fix your rooting issues. That's what this community(and their forum) is for.
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Just sharing my experience. My feeling is that the quality is sub-par compared to other phones like the m8 or the Xperia z2.
Anyways, if you don't encounter ghost touch issue is just because you haven't used a swype keyboard or you don't write so many text messages.
The issue IS there, IS software related (poossibly due to touchscreen drivers), it has been added to CM JIRA, it HAS BEEN recognized by Cyanogenmod developers and they haven't still found a fix.
I have had a SGS4 and besides its sh***y design, It didn't have any of these issues.
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The issue IS there, IS software related (poossibly due to touchscreen drivers), it has been added to CM JIRA, it HAS BEEN recognized by Cyanogenmod developers and they haven't still found a fix.
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They have identified the touchscreen issue and said a fix would be out in a month, they need an updated driver from Synaptics. I don't have a source to the post to hand though
I've had the Galaxy S 1-4, Note 1&2, and the HTC M7 & M8. overall, the oneplus is my favorite of the bunch.
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They have identified the touchscreen issue and said a fix would be out in a month, they need an updated driver from Synaptics. I don't have a source to the post to hand though
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CM just added the fix 3 hours ago.
Link
https://github.com/CyanogenMod/andr...mmit/ba4b329fe0c7a6d6342b0adfb60d47e5c3041a04
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I been a member here for many years and the board has two main purposes customization (rooting, kernels ... etc) and support.
There are few things people should keep in mind.
Few people create a thread and say this device is great.
People that have issues either imaginary (and yes some faults people report in my opinion are imaginary) or legit, may think every device is defective.
This advise please take to all threads not just Pixel C, read the threads but please keep in mind any device you buy from anybody will have strengths and weaknesses, do not let a few negative threads turn you off from purchasing.
Well said, I have 2 pixels from day one no issues and they are really the best tablet I have ever owned hands down
(I've had the following: HP touchpad, nexus 7, nexus 10, nexus 9, Sony z4 tablet, nothing has come close)
We made should make a single topic thread for all issues and everyone just post there instead....
I've had zero problems also. Felt bad for those who are having difficulties.
I am loving this device. I was running with an iPad Air before this and the experice with some applications not being optimized is very overhyped here.
No problems here! Loving it.
I think this is the nicest tablet I have ever owned and I have had quite a few. It's build quality is unmatched outside of Apple. I personally don't give two hoots and a holler about multi window or productivity nonsense. I read or play games on my tablet when I am taking a crap and watch media when I am on an airplane. It works great for this. If you want something for productivity, buy a Surface or a laptop. The complaint about the lack of tablet optimized software is moot to me because mediocre tablet optimization on Android is still better than hating my life with Apple's garbage OS, development ecosystem, active suppression of end user firmware modification, and corporate philosophy. I have not had the problems some people have reported with Wifi and the touchscreen, but it is my understanding that both issues have been fixed with the February security update.
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I have not had the problems some people have reported with Wifi and the touchscreen, but it is my understanding that both issues have been fixed with the February security update.
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This is definitely good news. But bad news for my bank account. I've been waiting for awhile just to see some more in depth analysis and see if the kinks get worked out. This tablet is EXACTLY what I've been waiting for.
What a bunch of bull! One of the most reputable sites on the net, anandtech has advised everyone, including Google fans to stay clear of the Pixel C. I've noticed some shills taking over the wifi thread on the Google forums too, claiming it wasn't bad or did not exist at all.
If you want to waste $500+ please go ahead and buy the the Pixel Crap.
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What a bunch of bull! One of the most reputable sites on the net, anandtech has advised everyone, including Google fans to stay clear of the Pixel C. I've noticed some shills taking over the wifi thread on the Google forums too, claiming it wasn't bad or did not exist at all.
If you want to waste $500+ please go ahead and buy the the Pixel Crap.
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And here I thought andantech praised the devices hardware, and was hesitant to recommend ANY android tablet until the software takes better advantage of the hardware.
I am here because I am considering selling my ipad air 2 for this device. I love android, and moving from my 6p, or even my surfacebook, makes me see the flaws in iOS. Yes it has great apps, but as a whole it lacks the robust features of the other two platforms.
Its very strange, some people claim to have issues (and get very agitated about them), others have lots of praise. No problems from here, except the questionable developer-friendly nature of the device today (although I'm not necessarily unhappy that the OS is more CR-OS than Android).
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I been a member here for many years and the board has two main purposes customization (rooting, kernels ... etc) and support.
There are few things people should keep in mind.
Few people create a thread and say this device is great.
People that have issues either imaginary (and yes some faults people report in my opinion are imaginary) or legit, may think every device is defective.
This advise please take to all threads not just Pixel C, read the threads but please keep in mind any device you buy from anybody will have strengths and weaknesses, do not let a few negative threads turn you off from purchasing.
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After 3 Samsungs and wanting to keep a 10" plus tablet as i am a full grown man I switched to Pixel C.
no complaints at all.
great tablet.
Anandtech's problems with wifi and the touchscreen are resolved with the latest update.
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Anandtech's problems with wifi and the touchscreen are resolved with the latest update.
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I thought the February OTA only addressed the touchscreen issue. At least that's what "Orrin" (Google rep) said on the product forum when I checked it a couple days ago. He said they are still working on the WiFi issue.
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I thought the February OTA only addressed the touchscreen issue. At least that's what "Orrin" (Google rep) said on the product forum when I checked it a couple days ago. He said they are still working on the WiFi issue.
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My bad then, sorry.
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My bad then, sorry.
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It's all good.
I always tend to agree with the sentiments in the OPs post, in that rarely do you see people making threads just to praise a device. But as soon as the tiniest issue arises, people never fail to make a thread and complain. I've seen these forums light up with issues since I've started pre-ordering Nexus phones back with the Nexus 5. Nexus 6 and 6P were pretty much the same exact thing, with people claiming they were flawed. However, I never had any issues with my devices. I think what makes this device (and it's apparent issues) different in my eyes comes down to two things:
1) The fact that Google has acknowledged and confirmed at least the Touchscreen (fixed in Feb OTA) and the WiFi issues. I've never really heard Google own up to any issues with any of it's past devices, especially when they were first launched. Sure they would come out with hardware revisions (ie. the back on the Nexus 4), but they would kind of do it on the down low.
2) The price. Seeing as I pre-ordered a 128GB 6P at full price just a few months ago, and the fact I just dropped about $800 on a 12TB NAS, $600 (before tax) is a good chunk of change. If I'm paying that much, I want to make sure I am getting a device that works as I would expect it to (ie. no random reboots, dependable WiFi connections, easily rootable, etc.), especially since it's not really a necessity and more of an entertainment device.
These two main factors are kind of what has scared me off from pulling the trigger. But man do I love this thing whenever I see pics and videos of it, while I stare at my aging Nexus 10. I think as soon as I find out whether the WiFi issue is hardware or software related, I might be picking one up. Anybody seeing them potentially discounting these soon by like $50 like they did with the 6P?
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That update did not fix the wifi problem judging from the official nexus forum: https://productforums.google.com/fo...ce=footer#!msg/nexus/CM9tv3pjTfQ/QY0xGoTMAgAJ
I donno it doesn't seem like they are getting anywhere with the wifi issue at the official nexus forum. the devs have acknowledged it but there has not been word from them for a while. Meanwhile more and more people are reporting the same issue with wifi at a distance. That issue is a little harder to test if you are just casually using it close to your router. But many people are replicating exactly what I saw in the two units I had before returning it for my money back.
On the flip side it looks like the last update did fix the touchscreen issue.
Again, how these two giant issues made it out of testing is beyond me because they seem to affect most.
Edit: The title of this post is a little misleading and feels like it is just sweeping the issues under the rug.
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That update did not fix the wifi problem judging from the official nexus forum: https://productforums.google.com/fo...ce=footer#!msg/nexus/CM9tv3pjTfQ/QY0xGoTMAgAJ
I donno it doesn't seem like they are getting anywhere with the wifi issue at the official nexus forum. the devs have acknowledged it but there has not been word from them for a while. Meanwhile more and more people are reporting the same issue with wifi at a distance. That issue is a little harder to test if you are just casually using it close to your router. But many people are replicating exactly what I saw in the two units I had before returning it for my money back.
On the flip side it looks like the last update did fix the touchscreen issue.
Again, how these two giant issues made it out of testing is beyond me because they seem to affect most.
Edit: The title of this post is a little misleading and feels like it is just sweeping the issues under the rug.
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Man, that's really too bad. I was all over this thing last September when they announced it. But it never came out. Then once it did it immediately had issues. I've been impatiently waiting for these issues to get addressed and it sounds like one has been. But this wifi thing is still a deal breaker for me. I really want this thing and I really want it to work! This is exactly what I'm looking for in a tablet. But wifi is kinda important...
Thank you OP. I have a Motorola Xoom 1st gen tablet that I'm looking to replace and I have been looking at the Pixel C. I will most likely be placing my order for one.
I replaced a xoom 1st gen. with a Pixel C. You won't regret it. Great machine IMHO
It is good to keep things in perspective and its easy to loose that perspective when watching the threads.
So if you are thinking of buying and if you try to use this tablet at some distance from your WiFi router, it seems you're likely to have issues. It seems this issue is something you could mitigate, but it is a big irritation to pay so much and get problems like this. If, on the other hand you are always fairly near your router, you are likely to love this tablet.
Whenever a company enters into a market like this with a new product there are some issues and whenever they refactor something in a rush to market, you can bet on issues. This IMHO is Google's big mistake. Still, they have acknowledged the WiFi problem as an issue, so we can expect them to address it one way or the other. And as irritating as it is, not having continual commentary from someone at Google on the issue seems like the norm to me--though it isn't necessarily a good communication strategy. Lets just hope it can be resolved by a patch, because frankly I don't expect a buy-back.
So yes, there are issues and some of them are with people's perspective:
1. The tablet doesn't match the productivity hype in the way most hoped it would, even though they knew at the time it was announced that it didn't have multi-window. If you want productivity then the Surface is likely for you. There is hope that a future update will make it better, but multi-window alone is not enough to address the productivity issue IMHO.
2. The keyboard is lacking in that it doesn't have a touch-pad, and it uses Bluetooth, which is more flaky than a direct connection. If this is important then you could get a Surface or look at the Jide UltraTablet. Some don't see a need for a keyboard and seem to get butthurt that an optional keyboard is ever offered, but we all have our issues.
3. There aren't enough apps that fit the size of a tablet.
I'm not trying to be flip here, or at least not entirely. For some, 1 and 3 are real issues, and 2 is a huge disappointment bordering on the unforgivable. But if you want just want a great Android tablet, do these issues matter all that much? I don't think so.
I have toyed with the productivity angle and am seriously considering a surface instead of one of these. IMHO that is part of Google's big mistake because marketing this device as if it was for productivity leads me to think of productivity and because it cannot possibly compete on that field with the Surface, I naturally think "Why shouldn't I just get a Surface". Making a Linux user think of getting a Windows machine to use as a Windows machine is not good for your future Google.
Still, this is a great tablet with issues (the Surface has some issues as well). If that is all you're looking for, here it is. And in the end I expect I'll get one because I already have a laptop and carrying it isn't that much of a pain. In fact I may just get a Jide and wait to see what happens here.
Mind you, I have only had this phone for a day, but all I've done is played around with the software until now, somehow I was expecting more.
I've never owned a Nexus device and the last phone I had was a m8, granted it's a lot older now but I modded it from the beginning and I get the feeling there was more content on the HTC side.
Not saying there is little going on here, but I was expecting more.
So what's the deal about "if you like modding software this is for you" every reviewer says out there?
I haven't done any research on Nexus devices prior to getting the phone because my HTC gave up on me.
So far I'm very impressed by the phone though.
Edit: when I say I modded I'm just talking about editing files or installing zips
For starters, there's the hassle of unlocking the M8's bootloader. Second, with other OEM devices such as Samsung, HTC, and LG, devs usually have to start from scratch unless there are already some sources.
When it comes to Nexus.... it's AOSP + Google's Nexus apps. That's it. Then there's the sources easily available.
I'm sure someone else can explain it way better than that, but when my girl bought an HTC M8 two years ago, it took at least an hour to get a custom ROM installed onto it. My 5X (or even my Nexus 5 at that time) had CyanogenMod flashed in 15 minutes.
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For starters, there's the hassle of unlocking the M8's bootloader. Second, with other OEM devices such as Samsung, HTC, and LG, devs usually have to start from scratch unless there are already some sources.
When it comes to Nexus.... it's AOSP + Google's Nexus apps. That's it. Then there's the sources easily available.
I'm sure someone else can explain it way better than that, but when my girl bought an HTC M8 two years ago, it took at least an hour to get a custom ROM installed onto it. My 5X (or even my Nexus 5 at that time) had CyanogenMod flashed in 15 minutes.
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Have you noticed the low sound volume in CM13 for N5X, I wait t change until fixed.
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Have you noticed the low sound volume in CM13 for N5X, I wait t change until fixed.
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I really dont think the sound volume is that big of a deal. However you can edit the mixer paths file to bring the sound volume back up, if it is to you.
Either way razorloves has isolated the change thay reduced the volume level so hopefully a fix will come quickly now that they have identifed exactly what caused the problem.
As to the OP, Give it some time. Probably as you learn about modding and see how much support is in the Nexus community you well will understand more.
The Nexus experience isn't exactly a specific experience due to the unique nature of the phone, but rather the ease with which customization and modification is achieved. Nexus devices are also very forgiving in terms of mistakes you may make when modding - for example there's been at least a handful of people even on just this device that have bricked their phones but been able to successfully fix them. On most other devices, bricking would have meant game over.
Additionally, if you bought the phone from Google, part of the Nexus experience is the great warranty support policies Google has, both for manufacturing defects and issues you may have caused yourself (for example, I believe they will replace your phone once if you break the screen)
Buy a 6P, maybe you miss the boomsound
Was expecting more from the nexus experience (first impression) Title of the OP
"Mind you, I have only had this phone for a day,"
Ok and this is your post? One day?
"....a m8, granted it's a lot older now but I modded it from the beginning and I get the feeling there was more content on the HTC side."
More content on the HTC side? What are you saying?
"I haven't done any research on Nexus devices prior to getting the phone because my HTC gave up on me."
Ok so who's problem is that? What did you expect with all the research you have done? Oh nvm, I see.
"So far I'm very impressed by the phone though."
Wait a sec.. you OPd and said you were expecting more. And now you're impressed? Why did you create this thread?
"Edit: when I say I modded I'm just talking about editing files or installing zips "
Do you even know what you're saying?
How about you close this thread and stop this silliness? That would be the best post at this time.
Huh? Your post history suggests you're at least active in some rom sections for the m8 and you're asking about modding on the 5x, a FREAKING NEXUS PHONE?
You wanna do a nokia phone mod with blinking keypads lights and techno beats?
OP, you've clearly missed the point of the whole Nexus experience in general. Nexus devices are for those who want the latest updates to Android, clean software, and stability. Unlike other manufacturers that load their devices with a whole bunch of sh!t apps and/or features no one uses. I'm not saying people DON'T use those features, but Nexus devices are for people who want a stable phone, or an easy to mod/root if they so choose.
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On try paranoid Android Rom. Smoothest I've tried.
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Was expecting more from the nexus experience (first impression) Title of the OP
"Mind you, I have only had this phone for a day,"
Ok and this is your post? One day?
"....a m8, granted it's a lot older now but I modded it from the beginning and I get the feeling there was more content on the HTC side."
More content on the HTC side? What are you saying?
"I haven't done any research on Nexus devices prior to getting the phone because my HTC gave up on me."
Ok so who's problem is that? What did you expect with all the research you have done? Oh nvm, I see.
"So far I'm very impressed by the phone though."
Wait a sec.. you OPd and said you were expecting more. And now you're impressed? Why did you create this thread?
"Edit: when I say I modded I'm just talking about editing files or installing zips "
Do you even know what you're saying?
How about you close this thread and stop this silliness? That would be the best post at this time.
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Huh? Your post history suggests you're at least active in some rom sections for the m8 and you're asking about modding on the 5x, a FREAKING NEXUS PHONE?
You wanna do a nokia phone mod with blinking keypads lights and techno beats?
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OP, you've clearly missed the point of the whole Nexus experience in general. Nexus devices are for those who want the latest updates to Android, clean software, and stability. Unlike other manufacturers that load their devices with a whole bunch of sh!t apps and/or features no one uses. I'm not saying people DON'T use those features, but Nexus devices are for people who want a stable phone, or an easy to mod/root if they so choose.
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Hey, no need to feel insulted guys.
First of all this was my first impression like the title states, what's wrong with that?
I bought this phone in a hurry, I was asking because I had heard people (mostly youtubers and the like) recommending this phone for "modders/flashers" around the Web, not just the nexus 5x in particular, but nexus devices in general.
This gave me the assumption that the modding/development community would be even more active than on other devices.
Coming from the m8, which had/has a big selection of mods, roms and tips & tricks etc, I was expecting a lot more to be found here on the forums (I was not comparing the devices directly).
And yes I'm impressed by LGs 5x, I was not expecting to get so much at this low price point (I paid under 300€), regardless of software (which is awesome btw, I haven't used stock Android before).
I hope this clears things up for you
I guess many of the things that make nexus devices "better" in this regard are out of my skill set.
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Hey, no need to feel insulted guys.
First of all this was my first impression like the title states, what's wrong with that?
I bought this phone in a hurry, I was asking because I had heard people (mostly youtubers and the like) recommending this phone for "modders/flashers" around the Web, not just the nexus 5x in particular, but nexus devices in general.
This gave me the assumption that the modding/development community would be even more active than on other devices.
Coming from the m8, which had/has a big selection of mods, roms and tips & tricks etc, I was expecting a lot more to be found here on the forums (I was not comparing the devices directly).
And yes I'm impressed by LGs 5x, I was not expecting to get so much at this low price point (I paid under 300€), regardless of software (which is awesome btw, I haven't used stock Android before).
I hope this clears things up for you
I guess many of the things that make nexus devices "better" in this regard are out of my skill set.
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OEM device forums usually have more mods because people try and make the stock OEM rom more like the stock Nexus rom. Those mods are obviously not needed. There aren't really any stock Nexus based roms either since AOSP roms are stable and for the most part bugless. The rom threads are not as big either since there are far less bugs to report. OEM device forums are filled with ways to make their phone the way ours comes out of the box.
What you are observing is more meat and less fat.
Its a good phone for the recent prices, with the nexus branding it becomes better for longetivity.
If you did further research then you would have realize the bigger community is over at the 6p section. 5x is good but not flagship level good especially when you feel the lack of ram
What do you guys think about this? A guy got a Pixel 2 with a piece of paper in it from QA saying "Cosmetic damage"
https://9to5google.com/2017/10/23/pixel-2-fails-qc-ships-anyway/
I'm tempted to be extremely cautious about these kind of reports because they can't be verified, but if true it sure would be damning!
2nd generation Pixel from two vendors, it would be big project for collaboration, but it seems there are many things to catch up for Google...
What I think is that since the inception of Android phones, I don't think I've read about one phone that didn't have some kind of issue at launch... Some worse then others but inevitably on every phone I read about here at xda over the years is the new phones sub forum are always littered with the exact same issues...
My thoughts are buy the phone and if something isn't quite right to your liking, RMA the phone. These manufacturers aren't even flinching about RMA'ing phones now a days.
I literally think I could call Google and tell them my phone is putting out off a flatulence odor and they'd replace it without question.
"Needs Charged"...wow.
They didn't have a "screen burn in 3 days" option or else the XL would have been safe. LOL
So I returned the 64GB XL that I originally ordered due to me not adding the preferred care and seeing all the quality control and screen issues. I reordered a 128 GB device with preferred care and cancelled. All the bad press, all the threads and posts about quality control issues, this being a "travesty" and other comments. I cancelled and reordered 5 times and I finally followed through with the purchase. But only on one condition. I wasn't going to look at articles, forums, videos or any sort of press regarding the device at all for a week. I had read about all the issues and was still weary about it when I received the device on the 26th. I set it up and the first thing I did was look for this blue tint. I have a VERY slight tint at extreme angles that I do not view of device from but it did not bother me a bit and did not interfere with my experience. So what did I do next? I used my phone as my daily driver and in the same manner that I did my $8+. Since the 26th, I have had no issues, and I can honestly say that I could not be more thrilled with this device. It is exactly what I was looking for. My first vanilla Android experience and it is amazing. So with that being said, let's get to the question. Has anyone else avoided the negative press and forums to get their own experience? Has anyone else come to the and conclusion that I have? I can't say that the phone is perfect. I can't say that every device is made equal. But I can say that if you are on the fence with your purchase, just buy it. Experience the device for yourself, form your own opinion. Keep in mind what you have learned from other's experiences, but really form your own opinion with your own experience and come share with us. If you don't like it, just return it. Thanks for the read everyone! If you like your device great! If it wasn't for you, I hope you find the device you're looking for. Have a great one everybody!
I ordered on day one and my phone was very blue at even a slight angle. I returned it and ordered another and I am very happy with it. the processor is a beast. battery and camera are the best there is. Software and features are way ahead of others and will stay there. You need to try it. Don't read or buy into the negative hype. Try it. If you don't like it returning the device is easy and costs nothing.
@MacTheRipperr
I didn't let it get me down. I pre-ordered on the 6th, got it the 28th, never returned it, and never cared about the press.
I don't care about random people's opinions, and I have no idea why everyone does. I figured once I got it, i would see if I like it, if not, I would return it and move on.
The media is and always will be full of ****, the same with the vast majority of people sadly. I still hear people run in their mouth about this device in telegram chats and online that never have nor will hold an xl2, at that rate, why would anyone take anything they say at face value? It's sad that people fall to peer pressure, and can't be big enough to make a decision for themselves, they have to follow the norm.
Anyways, my device like most others shifts colors at an angle, and it doesn't bother me. I always have and will use black themes while I'm on an oled device. You can't get this rich of black color which makes everything else pop on lcd.
Coming from a 6p, this phone is light years faster than it was, and the battery life I've had on stock with the stock kernel, has put all other devices I've had to shame. I couldn't be happier with the xl2
This phone ticked all the boxes I want/need and after the trade in plus the rebate from T-mobile I'd be stupid not to jump on it. While waiting all the complaints about the screen came in so I was curious to see what it would look like when I got it. Opened the box and turned the screen on, tilted it and said...."that's it???". I've been loving it since day one. Best phone I've ever had.
If anything the negative press had lowered my expectations some, so when I finally got my phone I was absolutely blown away by how great it is. I couldn't say if I had not read anything bad about the phone, whether or not my response would have been the same, but all I can say is that this is the best phone I have ever used (going from Nexus 5, to 6, to 6P, to 2XL)
I find it humorous that in advance of the iPhone X, Apple puts out a paper saying that burn-in and blue tint upon tilting device are normal for oled screens, and not a defect. I wonder if all the media sources that blasted the Pixel 2 XL for being a "mediocre" device because of those screen issues will be as hard on Apple as they were on Google?
I've read the articles and kept up with stuff, but I really just don't give a sh__, to be frank. Is there a blue tint at angle? Yup. Does it bother me? Nope. Is there screen burn in/retention? Don't know. (I have not seen anything and don't care about trying it out to see.) This phone is so freaking phenomenal, I can't believe that people steer clear over some bad press given by a bunch of YouTube reviewers that nit-pick everything with every phone ever made.
To prove my point on how little the everyday user cares, I showed 2 buddies of mine my 2 XL the other night. They both just recently got the iPhone 8+ and they've had Apple devices going back to the iPhone 6. Both of them played with my 2 XL for at least 15 minutes. Neither of them mentioned anything about the screen other than they said they loved the lack of huge bezels. Both commented on how blazingly fast it performed. They also loved how it listened for music and displayed what was playing automatically.
I'm happy with my 2 XL. If by some chance Google does some sort of recall, etc. I may go ahead and do that, but as of yet, I see no reason to RMA my phone.
Dang, OP. Nailed my experience, but in a different manner: Ordered during the event and got mine on the 20th. Also came from an S8+.
Have since stopped reading comments on popular Android tech sites due to the sheer vileness of them. Maybe it was present before and I just never noticed, but the comments sections are a total sh_tshow. I am embarrassed to be a part of a community that can treat each other so poorly.
I imagine someone new to the community going on to these sites and just being absolutely stunned by how petty and rude we must seem.
It's not just Pixel articles either; Samsung, HTC, LG.... It's unavoidable.
I like my S8+ and my 2 XL. I liked my V20. My son loves his V30 (and before that, his HTC 10). Why can't we seem to accept that they're all great devices? Why do we have to be so vile to each other?
Sorry... That went longer than I had planned...
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It's hands-on for me! Media suxes!!
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So I returned the 64GB XL that I originally ordered due to me not adding the preferred care and seeing all the quality control and screen issues. I reordered a 128 GB device with preferred care and cancelled. All the bad press, all the threads and posts about quality control issues, this being a "travesty" and other comments. I cancelled and reordered 5 times and I finally followed through with the purchase. But only on one condition. I wasn't going to look at articles, forums, videos or any sort of press regarding the device at all for a week. I had read about all the issues and was still weary about it when I received the device on the 26th. I set it up and the first thing I did was look for this blue tint. I have a VERY slight tint at extreme angles that I do not view of device from but it did not bother me a bit and did not interfere with my experience. So what did I do next? I used my phone as my daily driver and in the same manner that I did my $8+. Since the 26th, I have had no issues, and I can honestly say that I could not be more thrilled with this device. It is exactly what I was looking for. My first vanilla Android experience and it is amazing. So with that being said, let's get to the question. Has anyone else avoided the negative press and forums to get their own experience? Has anyone else come to the and conclusion that I have? I can't say that the phone is perfect. I can't say that every device is made equal. But I can say that if you are on the fence with your purchase, just buy it. Experience the device for yourself, form your own opinion. Keep in mind what you have learned from other's experiences, but really form your own opinion with your own experience and come share with us. If you don't like it, just return it. Thanks for the read everyone! If you like your device great! If it wasn't for you, I hope you find the device you're looking for. Have a great one everybody!
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I preordered it and kept it.
Ive had a Galaxy Nexus Nexus 5 Nexus 6p and now the Pixel XL 2 I can tell you... You will never get a "perfect" phone from Google you just wont. But you dont get this phone because its perfect. You get it because you dont have to wait for updates from the carrier that will never come. You dont have to worry about the bootloader being locked. And you can pretty much count on the most developer support.
Everyone of the phones listed above had an "issue" blown way out of proportion.
Galaxy Nexus was battery life even leading to Verizon offering a extended battery
Nexus 5 had a screen issue where anything after the 1st batch had a yellow tint to the display. (I was lucky to get one of the good ones but then 3 months later my phone decided to not DL or send MMS at all no matter what i did. I had to RMA it and got a yellow tint phone. Oh and battery life issues.
Nexus 6p had screen issues and battery issues where the phone would shut down once the battery reached anywhere from 15% to 50% Oh there was also a software bug on only this phone where the phone would refuse to switch to LTE and the only way to make it do this was to go into the secret *#*4636*#*# and toggle the LTE radio. This was not fixed for 2 security updates
See you will never get a "perfect phone" from Google. Just like a lot of their products start out pretty ****ty and get better through several updates.
Well, I most definitely want to thank you guys for your feedback and being honest without the hostility. It's good to see that I am not alone in my experience. Thanks for replying with tact. We can only lead our fellow enthusiast by example. Thanks again for your responses.
I've had a horrible experience through all of this, I'm also a new member here, although I've been a lurker for years. BUT I pre-ordered, kept the order and received a P2XL that is blue straight on and gets worse at any angle. I RMA'd my device, new one will be here this friday/saturday. Thing is after a week I really love this phone and willing to try at least one more as it seems there is or was a quality issue but most here that have RMA'd are reporting they've gotten a better device back. I agree what another member posted about the rhetoric and the way people are treating each other but that's the interwebs these days. Also seems a bunch of people here received great devices to begin with (ANOTHER REASON TO ORDER ONE AND TRY IT YOURSELF) but unfortunately some of them just assume everyone's device is the exact same as theirs and some of them even deny there could be an issue saying "we see these things differently" and we should "just shut up or get a refund". Don't listen to them, don't really take much weight in what anyone says (including me) about their personal experience until you've had the exact same experience with the same device to relate to their issues posted. We're here to share our experiences with these devices with each other but for every 1 P2XL user here there are probably at least 4 or 5 if not more that are ecstatic to own these phones from Google. Remember most people who have issues go onto forums and websites to see if others are experiencing the same issues. So it becomes a breeding ground for every issue ever found on "x" device within "x" days of being released. Like what's been said here before, it's not just here, all manufacturers have issues with their devices and for me IMO the P2XL is what I want/need in a phone. Hopefully you'll order one up and give it a shot, you're truly missing out on an amazing experience with an amazing device.
You know things are desperate when people have to make "feel good" threads.
As for the validity of media or what else has been said here, this entire thread is pure conjecture and speculation made against others who disagree.
Im also not sure who this is directed at. The people who dont like/want this phone wont be here.
Neither will the people who returned them.
As for the point of the thread.
If you buy a device that costs a grand, might aswell demand no ISSUES.
Neither apples pathetic response to possible issues with the screen nor Google's "we are looking into it" imply a whole lot respect for the consumer or confindence for their devices.
You can like your device, you can claim its perfect, beautiful, whatever. But for this price, nothing short of perfection(as much as it can be achieved) should be demanded.
If im paying a grand, i dont want to be bothered by RMAs or other BS.
If they have QC issues, they are free to perhaps ship some jobs back to Europe/America. Im sure they have enough money to pay decent wages for people to QC their devices or produce them here.
If not, they should not expect mercy from the consumer or press, and yes this includes apple too
What a pathetic age we live in.
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If you buy a device that costs a grand, might aswell demand no ISSUES.
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You do know you're paying for more than hardware right? You don't really think you're getting a minimum of 3 years OS updates, a minimum of 3 years of monthly security updates, support help right on the device, and all that unlimited storage for nothing do ya.
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If you buy a device that costs a grand, might aswell demand no ISSUES.
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Why not demand pink unicorns as well, since we're apparently asking for the impossible?
No device is without "issues". Not a one.
If you won't pay a grand for any non-perfect device, and no such device exists, you are basically claiming no device is worth a grand.
Welp...okay. it's a perfectly valid opinion. Thanks for sharing.
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Why not demand pink unicorns as well, since we're apparently asking for the impossible?
No device is without "issues". Not a one.
If you won't pay a grand for any non-perfect device, and no such device exists, you are basically claiming no device is worth a grand.
Welp...okay. it's a perfectly valid opinion. Thanks for sharing.
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Do you believe any of the current issues would be present, if they had QC that actually was managed properly?
It cant be because of technology that the device costs this much, about a grand, in 2017.
Surely they can afford proper QC at an asking price of 1 grand.
Im not sure proper QC is like pink unicorns, but i guess people should just shut up.
A proper premium tier QC is pink unicorns. Im having the timw of my life now.
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You do know you're paying for more than hardware right? You don't really think you're getting a minimum of 3 years OS updates, a minimum of 3 years of monthly security updates, support help right on the device, and all that unlimited storage for nothing do ya.
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Thats true, i wish only they provided a black skin/overlay for android.
Its 2017 and only custom roms offer amoled friendly UI.
Im not sureni value android updates when they offer no enhancements i need.
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QC doesn't stop issues from reaching the public. It limits them.
A certain number of bad devices will invariably get out in the market. This is unavoidable.
If you are trying to claim that it is avoidable, that any company could release a device and the public would not see a single failure, please - do tell; what fantastical device is it?
If you are trying to claim that *all* Pixel 2 XL devices are bad, well, you're entitled to your opinion, but if that is indeed the case, your opinion is not at all relevant to us.
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QC doesn't stop issues from reaching the public. It limits them.
A certain number of bad devices will invariably get out in the market. This is unavoidable.
If you are trying to claim that it is avoidable, that any company could release a device and the public would not see a single failure, please - do tell; what fantastical device is it?
If you are trying to claim that *all* Pixel 2 XL devices are bad, well, you're entitled to your opinion, but if that is indeed the case, your opinion is not at all relevant to us.
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Pray tell, do you really believe issues such as blue tint or burn in wouldnt be caught by proper QC?
These issues are so obvious, even non-tech savy people can notice them.
And no, i didnt claim qc prevents all bad apples, but thw moat obvious ones. Way to strawman my point there.
All google needed to do, when noticing issues in QC , is hold off on the release date.
You can probably imagine how much i enjoyed last years fiasco with exploding batteries with samsung.
If anything, that was the epitome and parody of the flagship smartphone industry.
Imagine buying a porsche and getting one that had paint issues or an expensive mercedes with discolored glass.
If i wanted to gamble and try my luck, i would get an Oppo, not a pixel or samsung.
I agree with both you guys lol. IMO the issue is when testing Google from day 1 just looked past the blue tint and other issues thinking "This is the way it has to be" "it's a trade off" and software updates will fix it or it's just supposed to be like that. Hence the quality issues, if you tell your QC dept that it's supposed to look like that then they'll unfortunately let them all leave the factory like that. Probably why there's 50 shades of blue and no direct reasoning or answer from anyone as to why there's such a variance between the exact same devices produced on the same date even. BTW shadowcore is onto something I've been previously saying, yea there's shortcomings with any new device but it shouldn't be this bad all over the map with these things for the price they charge. And then attempted sweeping under the rug of it all, "working as intended" just to rub ya the wrong way after all that money spent whether you got 5 discounts or paid full retail. PRINCIPLE. This is top tier device I know it's been done before here but would you buy a brand new BMW/AUDI/LEXUS/MERCEDES and be just fine with creaking plastic crappy interior you sit in every time you drive? We need to interact with this screen every day all day for some people.
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Is their QC sub-par? Do they actually have more defective units than other vendors?
Is there anything other than the initial media coverage, now little more than background noise, that implies Google's devices see more defects in the market than others?
Or, as you just admitted in the last post, are you just super happy about any and all failures and maybe that is what is driving your fervor?
I mean, even if that's what it is, I get it. These companies make billions - watching them trip and fall, even if it's only in our perception, can be somewhat cathartic - is it really any more than that, though?