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Nexus One. We're being phased out, and quickly.

NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete. I agree with this theory in the fact that we aren't getting any love/support anymore. Granted, i know that Froyo is on the way, but i feel as though our hardware could have been better from the get-go, and that now (starting to become the long run since launch) it will be the death of this phone on a large basis. I feel as though Google has left us behind with some major issues, and has crippled the Nexus One name, purely because they seem like they don't want to deal with it anymore. Support is limited at that, and updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users. Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly. We have a small selections of stable roms and thats about it. Nothing super fantastic (granted CyanogenMod and Modaco's ROMS are great, but not legendary), nothing special. I feel like there was more support for the (i hate to bring it in) iPhone in terms of the community and the modding experience.
Simply, I absolutely LOVE my Nexus One, but i feel like it is not getting the support it deserves, and i DO NOT want this beautiful piece of technology to be obsolete by september. i hope you guys are with me on this, because i think we all know that this phone could easily be something BETTER than what it is now. and it SHOULD be able to compete with any phone within a year from now because it's Google's baby. GOOGLE: GIVE US MORE for our phones and for our money. Because, even though i feel like this is the best phone i've ever had, 1) i feel like it'll be obsolete in a few months and 2) im starting to feel like i wasted my money.
long live nexus

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The Nexus one will be the standard by which all android phones are measured for at-least another year.
Keeping everything pure AOSP is a huge plus IMO.
Official updates are slow, but code is being committed to the repository regularly and makes it on to the custom ROMS very quickly.
There is no phone out there with better features and community support than the one you have
There is no other phone on google.com/phone... so we are still the only child.

Google is trying to catch up the rest of the android world to 2.1
VZ cut them off it seems from the N1 and instead VZ gets another great Android handset.
Froyo has some much needed upgrades and will help (in theory) android solidify itself by stabilizing the platform for devs.
JIT/Flash/Market /Open GL / market upgrades are on there way if you believe the rumors.
What is it you feel is being phased out ?
Only about 500k users have an N1. Thats a miniscule amount.
Even with that we have two great devs putting out some very stable ROMS. Unlike the past N1 came with so many damn features out of box that we didnt need ROMs and Apps to add the 101 missing features.
Listen I am still up in Googles rectum about alot of features that need to be fixed/enhanced on Android. We all knew N1 was the first of the snapdragons. The others are storming in blasting taking attention away from us...but theyre all on the same team....they all bleed green =-)
Sure Id love to be slapping on Sense widgets , Moto Blur social network apps , etc...but thats up to us as a community to do it (if ever technically possible).
Anyways feel good about your purchase. You still have the best available phone on the market and will until the EVO/Iphone4G drop. And even then..youd still be top 3 at worst.

There isn't much development because there isn't much to do. The Nexus has the latest firmware and top specs. Of announced phones only the Evo and Galaxy S have significantly better specs everything else is just a SLIGHTLY upgraded Nexus. No porting apps or firmwares are needed. The only thing to really do is optimize what we have (cyanogen is doing that) and port sense UI (Paul is doing that). I'm happy with my Nexus .....for now hehe

zach I can understand the complaints about some of the nagging issues the phone has had (3G, purple tint etc.) but two things we have to realize: A majority of the users don't experience these problems, and in no way is our phone going to be obsolete anytime soon.
Here is a post I made regarding the Incredible screen, I think it's relevant here:
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Here's my take:
Would I like to have this screen in my Nexus? Yea it would have been a nice feature. Do I need this screen? No, not in the slightest.. Not yet anyways. The only apps that would require a screen like that are games, and I don't play the type of games on my phone that would require axis-crossing multitouch. I know some people do, and I can respect that but I don't, hence why I don't care about this right now.
Frankly, if you're playing those kinds of games anyways, just get an iPhone (and I'm not saying that in a bad way). iPhone is unmatched when it comes to gameplay and plus you can get them all for free if you jailbreak. Yea The Incredible has a capable screen, but do you know long it's going to take Android to catch up to Apple when it comes to game quality?? Android just got games like Racing Thunder 2 and Homerun Battle 3D while you can play Street Fighter 4 and freaking Grand Theft Auto on the iPhone! It's no competition.. if you want to game, you don't have the right phone.
By the time Android actually starts developing games and apps that can take advantage of the axis crossing MT, The Incredible will be "obsolete" (as some of you like to put it) so no need for everyone to get their panties in a bunch
With most things I normally have a realist perspective and am usually the first to 'hate' on something when its deserved, but alot of you guys are just a bunch of downers. The Incredible is a great phone as is the Nexus, everyone should just appreciate what they have! If you keep chasing the newest technology (no matter how impractical it is) you will never be satisfied!
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There will always be new technology coming out faster than we can keep up with, the important thing is to not prematurely write one product off as soon as a newer one becomes available. People will be saying the same thing about the Incredible/4G Evo etc in a few months from now. That's just the ways things are. If you have that mentality you will want a new phone every few months regardless of how good it is.
Regarding the selection of ROMS.. Guys, right now we have the top of the line OS on our phones.. 2.1 is the standard, most of the G1/Magic ROMS are trying to replicate what we already have stock. Believe me, once Froyo and Android 3.0 come out the devs will be right on it and we'll get awesome ports. We have great developers who will make sure our phones have the newest software on our devices.
And if worst comes to worst and some of you decide to sell your Nexus this summer, it will have excellent resale value.

Don't worry, This is the phone Google are actively giving to developers. We'll be here for a while to come yet.

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I most definetely do not believe the nexus one will be phased out anytime soon, actually i will be ordering one tonight as a matter of fact. yes we may not have the best touch screens or the greatest rom develipment, but that is because we are still number one There are no other builds to even create until phones of this caliber runnng other os are on the scene. And for the touch screen issue, whe the time comes to where we truely need multitouch for games on the market out nexus's WILL be outdated, or there WILL be a fix for this, i mean geez Cyanogen has nearly finished a fully working Eclair for the g1 already, all i see is hope and excitment for the future of this device, the market also needs some serious time to catch up to apples games (please dont get upset with this, its true) The only thing i can see actually outdating our phones are dual processors capable of OVER 1.5 otherwise i dont believe they will be extinct, not even the 1.3 samsung will hurt the nexus i think considering we can be oc'ed to 1.3 anyways i do believe, or at least close

I don't think that we're being phased out, not until another year. Each phone that comes in the market gets compared to Nexus One.
As far as the development is concerned, its very satisfactory. Comparing the development scene between N1 an iPhone, iPhone sold nearly 50x the units of N1 sold. So most app developers have their focus on iPhone as it stands them a better chance of making more money..... But still development on N1 is much better.....

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There will always be new technology coming out faster than we can keep up with, the important thing is to not prematurely write one product off as soon as a newer one becomes available. People will be saying the same thing about the Incredible/4G Evo etc in a few months from now. That's just the ways things are. If you have that mentality you will want a new phone every few months regardless of how good it is.
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I’m beginning to think some people have never bought a phone before, or a computer for that matter.
Did people expect the N1 to the absolute top spec phone forever? Seriously its still amazing compared to most, and measures up nicely in all significant ways to these new phones it keeps getting compared to. Stop trying to bury it before its even close to dead.
There is always something newer coming. No exceptions. There are phones in development now that will top the Evo and Incredible. At some point you have to buy something or you’ll wait forever.
The N1 is Google’s flag ship phone. I bought it for that reason. If Google is developing something cool (like FroYo!) its pretty much guaranteed to come to us first. Its not being phased out. I think there are exciting things to come…

You have got to be kidding. Seriously?
zachthemaster said:
NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete. I agree with this theory
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How does the best Android phone currently on the market obsolete? You must be working from a totally different definition of "obsolete".
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in the fact that we aren't getting any love/support anymore.
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THAT must be why Google is giving Nexus Ones out to so many developers! Because they don't love it anymore and want to get rid of it!
zachthemaster said:
Granted, i know that Froyo is on the way, but i feel as though our hardware could have been better from the get-go, and that now (starting to become the long run since launch) it will be the death of this phone on a large basis.
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As if Froyo isn't a major undertaking.
In what way could the hardware have been better, without delaying the release of the phone?
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I feel as though Google has left us behind with some major issues, and has crippled the Nexus One name, purely because they seem like they don't want to deal with it anymore. Support is limited at that
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Are we talking about the same phone? In what way is it crippled?
Google has upped its support, hired more support personnel, and continues to present the N1 as its flagship phone. How does that equate to "they don't want to deal with it anymore"?
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and updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users.
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How long has the N1 been out? Just how often did you expect an update? I think your expectations might be wildly unrealistic.
And "even for non-root users"!?! WTF does that mean? If anything, non-root users have far fewer updates -- rooted users are getting the updates from CM as soon as Google commits them to the source repository, whereas "even" implies that you expect non-root users to receive more updates, which is completely backwards.
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Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly. We have a small selections of stable roms and thats about it. Nothing super fantastic (granted CyanogenMod and Modaco's ROMS are great, but not legendary), nothing special.
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If you don't think CM is "super fantasic" then I invite you to go back to the stock N1 rom. Installing CM for the first time is like getting a whole new phone.
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I feel like there was more support for the (i hate to bring it in) iPhone in terms of the community and the modding experience.
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Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahmbulance.

I don't buy it. I don't like the multitouch sensor they used for the phone, and I think the scrolling could be smoother, but what do you really expect from Google? Short of them sending out free hardware upgrades, what are you really looking for to not feel phased out?
The Nexus One is a great phone, at least for me. Even with the multitouch issues, I'm able to pull off running jumps when I play Super Mario World and the like. And that issue is allegedly being worked on with 2.2. If they flat out said the Nexus One wasn't getting 2.2 then you could make the claim of the Nexus One being phased out.
As far as network issues go, I have zero problems with my AT&T Nexus One and 3G. I live in the DC Metro area, for what it's worth. Most problems I've heard from people are all on T-Mobile. Who's to say the problem isn't on T-Mobile's side instead of Google's? Everyone blames AT&T's network for the iPhone's network issues, but it's pretty clear that the radio in the iPhone is garbage.
We live in a time where there are 1ghz processors in handheld devices. Technology is advancing so fast. It's always going to hurt when your $500+ dollar device isn't the best around anymore, but do you really want forward progress to slow down so you feel like you have the best phone longer?
I think you're being overly paranoid, if you ask me. So long as you love the phone, what do you care?

danguyf said:
You have got to be kidding. Seriously?
How does the best Android phone currently on the market obsolete? You must be working from a totally different definition of "obsolete".
THAT must be why Google is giving Nexus Ones out to so many developers! Because they don't love it anymore and want to get rid of it!
As if Froyo isn't a major undertaking.
In what way could the hardware have been better, without delaying the release of the phone?
Are we talking about the same phone? In what way is it crippled?
Google has upped its support, hired more support personnel, and continues to present the N1 as its flagship phone. How does that equate to "they don't want to deal with it anymore"?
How long has the N1 been out? Just how often did you expect an update? I think your expectations might be wildly unrealistic.
And "even for non-root users"!?! WTF does that mean? If anything, non-root users have far fewer updates -- rooted users are getting the updates from CM as soon as Google commits them to the source repository, whereas "even" implies that you expect non-root users to receive more updates, which is completely backwards.
If you don't think CM is "super fantasic" then I invite you to go back to the stock N1 rom. Installing CM for the first time is like getting a whole new phone.
Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahmbulance.
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I didn't wanna quote the whole thing (sorry everyone) but this is the post of the year IMO!!!! Every counter argument you made is perfect.....This thread is BOGUS!!!!!!

You can't compare the modding/dev community of the N1 to the iPhone anyways.
The iphone has FAR more units out there, and the Apple cult is still buying. The iPhone also has more that is needed as far as mods to make it a nice OS.
The iPhone also runs native binaries, so there seem to be a lot more standard systems written for it, or so I was told in my Q&A thread. The iPhone has full apt packaging system, full set of GNU tools, full OpenSSH suite, etc.
The iPhone also has a lot more core teams of dedicated modders, while Android seems to have 1-2, at least for the N1. This is, again, I think due to the fact that the iPhone needs more mods to make it a good OS.

Without boobs, this thread is a waste of time.

Not even boobs can rescue the OP's post.

martin0285 said:
I didn't wanna quote the whole thing (sorry everyone) but this is the post of the year IMO!!!! Every counter argument you made is perfect.....This thread is BOGUS!!!!!!
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Without boobs, this thread is a waste of time.
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I agree wholeheartedly with both of you.

zachthemaster said:
NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete.
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Can you link these posts?
How is the N1 becoming obsolete? What are your reasons? I have yet to see any indication of this.
updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users.
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What kind of crap is this? Yes, the N1 has received 1 update. Which is 1 more than MANY other Android phones in YEARS.
Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly.
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Here's the Android source code:
http://android.git.kernel.org/
Get to work!
GOOGLE: GIVE US MORE for our phones and for our money
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Give more WHAT?

Enjoy the wave for as long as it lasts... which will be a long time
Tech wise phones go obsolete much faster than a PC ever would for the simple fact that you are in a closed environment. You can't upgrade the RAM, graphics or CPU on one of these things so shelf life is in terms of months not years. But that's not to say that support will go away for the N1 any time soon. OP is just acknowledging/exhibiting the mid-life crisis that the N1 is in currently. It's still the flagship product and a benchmark for every phone slated to be released this year. Next year may be different--hell I'm sure it will be--but for now, we're good and there's enough power that it'll still be viable 2 years from now. If you need a current tangible example, just look at how many G1's there are out there and how long that phone has been out.
I came from the dismally dysfunctional land of the Epix from Samsung where between them and AT&T, they couldn't figure out who was suppose to be doing the obligatory reach-around. With the N1 there are no more worries about the carrier holding up the updates for a fix to a major problem introduced by another fix almost a year prior for an infantile notification issue., there are no more issues with contractual obilgations to corporate partnerships (Yahoo) with draconian imposed restrictions to enforce it(backflip) and mostly there's no more waiting for the mfg to finally update their license to a newer version OS if they even bother going that route to begin with. Open architecture, open software and an infinite amount of potential for old and new phones is why I'm here and I'm sure a bunch of others are too.
So to anyone else reading this and especially to Sprint customers that are waiting for the N1, catch the wave however you want(N1, Evo, etc) but enjoy it for what it is--a long great ride and loads of fun--cowabunga!

Did somebody say boobs? Er, was I supposed to get something else out of this?

[Q] Android Development Phones: worth the investment?

All
Newbie posting here. Apologies in advice for a misplaced or repetitious post.
Could the forum weigh in on the pros and cons of the Android Development phones (Android Dev 2 and Nexus One)?
Are they worth the money?
Do they significantly improve productivity?
Do they give a sense of the types of errors we would have with different phones (cross-device errors)?
Thanks!
Cheers, S

The only reason I bought the Nexus one was to deal with HTC's disaster they called multi-touch. Other than that, I own devices based on resolution to make sure everything fits every screen. The actual adp phones aren't necessary.

I don't think it's important to have an 'official' developer phone.
What I've found with my nexus is that it's buggier than most production phones because google don't put the same amount of polish in.
Probably waste time trying to fix issues that appear on the nexus that most other phones won't have.

I had ADP1 but as next phone I bought SGS and I believe that it is better option if you are not hacking ROMs.
In our country you lose warranty if you change ROM on regular phone. I believe that for dev phones this is not true. So this is probably major difference between official dev and stock phone.
Tom
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I do most of my testing on a standard non-rooted HTC desire. I also use the emulator to test different resolutions.
I just don't see what benefit a developer phone really gives you.

The benefit to me is no crappy, bloated U.I's like Sense/Touchwiz etc and the promise of first in line for OTA updates.

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the promise of first in line for OTA updates.
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Yea the 'promise'. If google were really looking out for developers the nexus one would have had gingerbread the day it was released with the nexus s

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Yea the 'promise'. If google were really looking out for developers the nexus one would have had gingerbread the day it was released with the nexus s
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Sigh @ this. Google is a business. Google has a new phone that is exclusively Gingerbread. Put two and two together. You would also keep the Nexus S exclusive for a bit to try to make more sales.
It's time to upgrade from your Nexus One to the Nexus S

If you already have an android phone than I wouldn't worry about it because you can test your apps on the emulator to test for different screen sizes, and then use your phone for more accurate testing in terms of performance

Yes and no.
Yes. Android should work the way it should on Dev phone so in theory, if it work on a dev phone, it should work on ALL android phones.
No. You can get by with the emulator. It works pretty well.
IRL situation. We write app for people. You're going to have to test it on more than enough devices. Trust us. We hate Samsungs. But guess what? We have 2 of them to test because when things works on one phone, they may not on others.
Go with general devices. But if you want to get by cheap, get a HD2. Put android on it. That way you can test stock 2.2, 2.3 and sense crap.

My Nexus One will be arriving tomorrow!

Firstly I'll just say hi to everyone (this is my first ever post on XDA)
And yea, almost 2 years after the Nexus One was originally released, I am just about to own one.
I've had a HTC Legend since May 2010 (I was unaware of the Nexus One at that time, because of this buying the Legend has always been a mistake IMO), and I'm tired of it, plus it has lots of software issues, and I've never really thought or attempted to root it.
And so, with my Legend's performance getting worse day by day, I thought I'd get myself a present for Christmas. I considered the Galaxy Nexus, but as I was buying the phone outright, I just couldn't justify paying £510 (+ shipping) for it, and ended up buying a new N1 from Amazon UK for £275 (that price includes shipping).
Since waiting for the phone to be delivered, I have been obsessing over vidoes of it, and forums. I have actually looked at around 100threads on this forum (how sad?!) over the last 48 hours. But, in the course of doing so I have become smitten with this community and the help it offers to those who ask for it.
So I look forward to joining this well established community, and finally owning a Nexus One!

Greetings Dorset,
Enjoy your Nexus One
Yours Sincerely,
Surrey.
P.S Good choice of phone, but look after that power button! (Trackball wake is a must).

Yeah the Power Button issue definitely concerns me, but I'll probably root after a few months, just so I can be sure that the rest of the hardware is okay.
In terms on Custom ROMs, everyone seems to have CM7 on their N1. Is this generally considered to be one of the best ROMs, or is there another reason for its popularity?
Oh, and Hai Surrey

Also make sure to make use of changing the color of trackball notifications. I don't one an N1 anymore [ I went to an HD2 since], but I loved the notification light on the trackball more than any other phones notification LED.

I'll definitely be making use of Trackball notifications for sure.

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In terms on Custom ROMs, everyone seems to have CM7 on their N1. Is this generally considered to be one of the best ROMs, or is there another reason for its popularity?
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Basically, this phone is too underpowered for properly running Sense builds, and the ones that were ported have always been with problems, the only relatively stable one being Froyo Sense 1 build ported from Desire by eViL D:.
This leaves it with stock, CM7 and MIUI.
Personally, for this phone I prefer MIUI - IMHO it's far more useful than CM7, containing many nice Sense bits while being small and fast (smooth).

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Basically, this phone is too underpowered for properly running Sense builds, and the ones that were ported have always been with problems, the only relatively stable one being Froyo Sense 1 build ported from Desire by eViL D:.
This leaves it with stock, CM7 and MIUI.
Personally, for this phone I prefer MIUI - IMHO it's far more useful than CM7, containing many nice Sense bits while being small and fast (smooth).
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I beg to differ.
HyperSense is perfectly stable, as is Revolution (though he continues to add features and change things up so issues could arise in new builds). I use HyperSense as a daily with absolutely no issues.
As for MIUI, I'd agree that its a great choice also...though i ALWAYS install LauncherPro because i love the features MIUI packs but absolutely derad the iPhone look.
Just my .02.
Welcome to XDA man!

phone is not underpowered main disadvantage is it lacks internal memory when talking about sense roms.Despite of this many people have successfully ported gb sense to n1 without graphical glitches ( thanks to kernel developer fogot name ) other bugs.go ahead and try;u will definately love them

amolji said:
phone is not underpowered main disadvantage is it lacks internal memory when talking about sense roms.Despite of this many people have successfully ported gb sense to n1 without graphical glitches ( thanks to kernel developer fogot name ) other bugs.go ahead and try;u will definately love them
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I happened to have N1 and MT4G at the same time (now the N1 is gone), and I can compare their performance first hand.
N1 is seriously underpowered, graphics-wise and storage-speed-wise, to run Sense.
Internal memory disadvantage can be overcome by various SD-EXT utilization techniques.
And Sense doesn't have trackball wake.
dbasabe did great work, but it doesn't turn N1 into a capable Sense device.

creebefu said:
Firstly I'll just say hi to everyone (this is my first ever post on XDA)
And yea, almost 2 years after the Nexus One was originally released, I am just about to own one.
I've had a HTC Legend since May 2010 (I was unaware of the Nexus One at that time, because of this buying the Legend has always been a mistake IMO), and I'm tired of it, plus it has lots of software issues, and I've never really thought or attempted to root it.
And so, with my Legend's performance getting worse day by day, I thought I'd get myself a present for Christmas. I considered the Galaxy Nexus, but as I was buying the phone outright, I just couldn't justify paying £510 (+ shipping) for it, and ended up buying a new N1 from Amazon UK for £275 (that price includes shipping).
Since waiting for the phone to be delivered, I have been obsessing over vidoes of it, and forums. I have actually looked at around 100threads on this forum (how sad?!) over the last 48 hours. But, in the course of doing so I have become smitten with this community and the help it offers to those who ask for it.
So I look forward to joining this well established community, and finally owning a Nexus One!
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Congratulations!
Not many people would like to buy a cellphone which was released one year ago since more and more new devices come out in a real fast way.
But believe me, you won't regret for this and hope you can enjoy it, if you have any problems in using your cellphone, you are welcomed to this forum!

I agree on the post above. I just decided to buy a Nexus one despite of all the high-powered android devices nowadays. I guess I just simply love the look and feel of this phone.
Anyway, welcome to the forum! A lot of good and helpful folks are here. Cheers!
Sent from my Nexus One using xda premium

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I agree on the post above. I just decided to buy a Nexus one despite of all the high-powered android devices nowadays. I guess I just simply love the look and feel of this phone.
Anyway, welcome to the forum! A lot of good and helpful folks are here. Cheers!
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Awesome! Glad I'm not the only one buying this phone after so long.
So far I am loving it. And considering the price of new phones, I really don't think you'd be getting much more over the N1 for what you get with new phones.
I will use this phone for at least 1 year.

I have the nexus since it's release to canada by google, no power button issue at all, cyanogen is one of the best rom for a lot of device, on the nexus it manage memory well so it's a good choice.
As far as this phone is concerned, it may not be dual core, but it's fast and the only missing feature compared to newer phone are 4G and near field communication, unless you need those you should be happy with the nexus one despite is age!
I personally doesn't see any justification to upgrade yet

besides the touchscreen failures .. its a great phone despite its age

creebefu said:
Firstly I'll just say hi to everyone (this is my first ever post on XDA)
And yea, almost 2 years after the Nexus One was originally released, I am just about to own one.
I've had a HTC Legend since May 2010 (I was unaware of the Nexus One at that time, because of this buying the Legend has always been a mistake IMO), and I'm tired of it, plus it has lots of software issues, and I've never really thought or attempted to root it.
And so, with my Legend's performance getting worse day by day, I thought I'd get myself a present for Christmas. I considered the Galaxy Nexus, but as I was buying the phone outright, I just couldn't justify paying £510 (+ shipping) for it, and ended up buying a new N1 from Amazon UK for £275 (that price includes shipping).
Since waiting for the phone to be delivered, I have been obsessing over vidoes of it, and forums. I have actually looked at around 100threads on this forum (how sad?!) over the last 48 hours. But, in the course of doing so I have become smitten with this community and the help it offers to those who ask for it.
So I look forward to joining this well established community, and finally owning a Nexus One!
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I'm in exactly the same position as you! (and what's more, I'm also from Dorset ) Except my Nexus One came today! It's beautiful! I got mine for about £109 from ebay and I'm also hoping to root and install CM7, as that's what I had running on my old Motorola Milestone (which died and was the reason I bought this) Good luck with this device!

One of the reasons why CM7 is so popular, is because it is pretty much the only truly custom build based on AOSP out there. There are a lot of AOSP builds that are very basic and don't deviate much from stock, and then there are a much larger amount of builds that are based off the CyanogenMod code base. MIUI is one of those.
But MIUI does make a ton of changes to the CM base, just as CM makes a ton of changes to the AOSP base. It does make MIUI stand out of the pack of CM-derived ROMs out there. While it did start with the CM codebase, they have done an excellent job of distinguishing themselves and giving a completely different user experience than someone running CM.
There are definitely a lot of different builds out there for our beloved N1's, but the two that tend to push the envelope the most and add the most new features are CM and MIUI. Try both out and see how you like them.
And I would recommend rooting much earlier. I had my phone for 3 months before I rooted it, and after I rooted and put CM6 on there (this was well before Gingerbread was released), I kicked myself for not doing it earlier. It runs sooo much better than stock ever did, plus there are a ton of new features.

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One of the reasons why CM7 is so popular, is because it is pretty much the only truly custom build based on AOSP out there. There are a lot of AOSP builds that are very basic and don't deviate much from stock, and then there are a much larger amount of builds that are based off the CyanogenMod code base. MIUI is one of those.
But MIUI does make a ton of changes to the CM base, just as CM makes a ton of changes to the AOSP base. It does make MIUI stand out of the pack of CM-derived ROMs out there. While it did start with the CM codebase, they have done an excellent job of distinguishing themselves and giving a completely different user experience than someone running CM.
There are definitely a lot of different builds out there for our beloved N1's, but the two that tend to push the envelope the most and add the most new features are CM and MIUI. Try both out and see how you like them.
And I would recommend rooting much earlier. I had my phone for 3 months before I rooted it, and after I rooted and put CM6 on there (this was well before Gingerbread was released), I kicked myself for not doing it earlier. It runs sooo much better than stock ever did, plus there are a ton of new features.
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miui is off of AOSP, not CM.. IIRC

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miui is off of AOSP, not CM.. IIRC
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Negative.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIUI
MIUI is based on Android 2.3.7 and CyanogenMod 7.1 sources
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I have the nexus since it's release to canada by google, no power button issue at all, cyanogen is one of the best rom for a lot of device, on the nexus it manage memory well so it's a good choice.
As far as this phone is concerned, it may not be dual core, but it's fast and the only missing feature compared to newer phone are 4G and near field communication, unless you need those you should be happy with the nexus one despite is age!
I personally doesn't see any justification to upgrade yet
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^completely agree with this guy here. I purchased my N1 (US though, not Canada ) at release. I've had not a single issue with power button or anything for that matter. Out of the "common" N1 issues, the only one I encountered was small dust or dirt particles under the screen. That's kind of my fault because I work outside and I keep my phone in my pocket where stuff does get in my pocket on occasions. I plan on eventually researching how to take the screen off and clean that stuff out.
As for everything else he said, spot on. Phone functions plenty fast enough and internet moves quick enough for my taste (and I use my internet A LOT including teethering to my PC as my main source of internet use). Though I would love to get a Galaxy Nexus, I don't think I can justify to myself (or my wife for that matter! haha) the need to spend $700 on a new phone.
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besides the touchscreen failures .. its a great phone despite its age
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Never encountered any such issues.
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...I would recommend rooting much earlier. I had my phone for 3 months before I rooted it, and after I rooted and put CM6 on there (this was well before Gingerbread was released), I kicked myself for not doing it earlier. It runs sooo much better than stock ever did, plus there are a ton of new features.
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^this guy is right as well. I use to work for U-Haul and I had my N1 for maybe 2 months, didn't know anything about rooting and such as it was my first serious smart phone (I came from an LG Vu) when some younger guy came in with an N1 (only one I've ever seen in person by the way besides mine, to this day) and we started talking about it and he asked me if I had force updated my phone and such. He told me about XDA, I joined up, and here I am today. I force updated with the update.zip that was on here, learned about rooting, and within a week after that I had my phone rooted and never looked back. Did a lot of CM nightly testing and such. I've used CM, MIUI, Sense...you name it...from developers new and old (still miss Evil's work!) and every kernel you can think of.
I'd highly suggest rooting ASAP and taking full advantage of this amazing phone

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Firstly I'll just say hi to everyone (this is my first ever post on XDA)
And yea, almost 2 years after the Nexus One was originally released, I am just about to own one.
I've had a HTC Legend since May 2010 (I was unaware of the Nexus One at that time, because of this buying the Legend has always been a mistake IMO), and I'm tired of it, plus it has lots of software issues, and I've never really thought or attempted to root it.
And so, with my Legend's performance getting worse day by day, I thought I'd get myself a present for Christmas. I considered the Galaxy Nexus, but as I was buying the phone outright, I just couldn't justify paying £510 (+ shipping) for it, and ended up buying a new N1 from Amazon UK for £275 (that price includes shipping).
Since waiting for the phone to be delivered, I have been obsessing over vidoes of it, and forums. I have actually looked at around 100threads on this forum (how sad?!) over the last 48 hours. But, in the course of doing so I have become smitten with this community and the help it offers to those who ask for it.
So I look forward to joining this well established community, and finally owning a Nexus One!
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Why Is This Device Has Low Developing Activity

I've been watching this space for last few days, especially to know how much active development this device would get. There is no doubt that this is one of the best device you can buy right now in the Android market. But it still has less active development than a high end device would see after a month of its release. And being a cousin to Nexus 5, I thought this device will see the added advantage of much more development but what ever is happening is absolutely opposite to it. The development activity is so less, compared to what previous flagships HTC One, S4 had after one month of their respective release, there isn't a need to create separate forums for each major (carrier) version of the device.
Is it because locked bootloaders? or something else?.

blame it on Samsung S series and Note...Plus LG isnt known yet for the average consumer

I've also seen a number of people say that they like what LG has done with the stock ROM on this one (and I agree). I used CM for a year and a half or so on my GNex, and the couple of times I've tried getting used to it on my G2, I've always gone back to stock within a day or two.

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blame it on Samsung S series and Note...Plus LG isnt known yet for the average consumer
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Yes, I agree that LG G2 is not as quite as popular as it should beconfused but an average user doesn't hang out in XDA looking for different roms. Even Sony's one or two years old phones are getting KitKat where as this phone has not even having more ROMS to choose from. This is supposed to be the flagship & highest speced device along with Galaxy Note 3. And as I said, being a distant cousin device of Nexus 5, I thought many ROMs from different beloved developers will be available for this device but it is not the case. Many people like me choose Android platform over other(Windows Phone 8 & IOS) because of the availability of different ROMs to choose from. But seeing that is not the case, even those people back off from buying this device.

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I've also seen a number of people say that they like what LG has done with the stock ROM on this one (and I agree). I used CM for a year and a half or so on my GNex, and the couple of times I've tried getting used to it on my G2, I've always gone back to stock within a day or two.
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Its not only AOSP ROMs but also stock based ROMs too

Patience guys, the ROM's are coming.
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If you want more development then learn to develop and provide your work to the masses. Seems to me there are a few good devs working on this phone. Keep in mind there are several variants which complicates things. I believe that the Nexus 5 will help get more ports for this device but I don't feel entitled to ask for anything or complain about slow development.

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If you want more development then learn to develop and provide your work to the masses. Seems to me there are a few good devs working on this phone. Keep in mind there are several variants which complicates things. I believe that the Nexus 5 will help get more ports for this device but I don't feel entitled to ask for anything or complain about slow development.
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With due respect, before giving those heroic comments & suggestions, you should have understand what I'm trying to do with this thread, which is to get to know the reasons for not seeing as much development as we usually see with flagship phones(I don't know where you get the notion that I was complaining). I never tried or try to complain or demand anything, heck who the hell I'm to even think of those lines. I clearly was asking for the reasons in the OP(than complaining about any thing) that is it because of locked bootloaders or some other reasons. And every flagship has different variants, its not this phone alone.
But one thing I'm sure about is, any one who visits or comes frequently to this wonderful forum, he/she buys the device which is supported by our beloved developers, they don't care about the manufacturers supporting them in software update.

The "why no development for this device" threads are getting tiresome no matter how an OP tries to disguise it.
If you want a device with a lot a ROM's, I suggest you get a Nexus or a Galaxy S phone and not an LG, Plain and simple.

A lot of xda users know that LG suck at providing updates to the latest version of Android. Samsung and HTC used to be the same way but they have really improved. Besides when it comes to GSM devs, I think most preferred going with the cheaper option the Nexus 5 offers. Also, quite a few people don't really like the rear button placement. Most of us have gotten used to it but try convincing someone who has yet to try the device.

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I've also seen a number of people say that they like what LG has done with the stock ROM on this one (and I agree). I used CM for a year and a half or so on my GNex, and the couple of times I've tried getting used to it on my G2, I've always gone back to stock within a day or two.
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I think this is one of the reasons. Prior to getting the G2, I used phones that were as close to vanilla as possible, and modded my phone to be that. I am actually very pleased with how LG built their UI and I appreciate tge customization that is built in. I have never seen so many people on here so happy with the UI that they weren't in a rush to ROM their phones. Hell, the only reason I even rooted and added TWRP was to use certain apps.
The second reason I don't think it's not getting the support you're looking for is tge cost and how close to tge Nexus 5 it was released. If I was a developer, it would be hard to justify spending $600 outright for a phone when the Nexus was right around the corner with similar hardware for $350. The only thing that might motivate me to purchase the G2 would be the fact that I'm on Verizon and we won't be getting a Nexus.

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I think this is one of the reasons. Prior to getting the G2, I used phones that were as close to vanilla as possible, and modded my phone to be that. I am actually very pleased with how LG built their UI and I appreciate tge customization that is built in. I have never seen so many people on here so happy with the UI that they weren't in a rush to ROM their phones. Hell, the only reason I even rooted and added TWRP was to use certain apps.
The second reason I don't think it's not getting the support you're looking for is tge cost and how close to tge Nexus 5 it was released. If I was a developer, it would be hard to justify spending $600 outright for a phone when the Nexus was right around the corner with similar hardware for $350. The only thing that might motivate me to purchase the G2 would be the fact that I'm on Verizon and we won't be getting a Nexus.
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I was lucky enough to get a nexus 5 very early after the launch...i played around with it the day i got then packed it up and sent it back the next day..bought a G2 the next day and am glad i did
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low devolpment?you haw minimum 10 stock costum rom and 8 aosp rom in all carriers.low dev?
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muhamet said:
low devolpment?you haw minimum 10 stock costum rom and 8 aosp rom in all carriers.low dev?
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Def low development for D803.
sent from my S4, Note 3 or G2

Theres a bounty in general to get all variants official AOKP. You want more development then donate.

force70 said:
Def low development for D803.
sent from my S4, Note 3 or G2
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force70 said:
Def low development for D803.
sent from my S4, Note 3 or G2
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Low development? There's no development.

Is pretty simple... Most devs knows that LG is not dev friendly and most devs has gone through this with LG before.

This particular lg is very dev friendly
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What's your conception of Oneplus as a company after 1 yr 1 mo?

How do you feel about the company after all this time? Has any of the controversies changed your perception of the company? Would you buy its products in the future? Etc...
For me the company isn't as good as it was in the past when i bought the OPO. The controversies have changed my perception of the company by a lot. They have opened up a whole lot about the company that their PR Team can't cover up. The most sad thing I've found is that OP doesn't want to address the problems and even if they do they don't want to solve it. Its an amateur move to think that there's an easy way out. For instance (agree with me or not) OxygenOS was a screw up after all that hype. But they didn't address the problem they just kept hyping it more and more. For fixing of the problem, there is no update for OxygenOS.. It's like the project is dead. But let's not about that.
For the future products, I will look forward to buy them but the doubt a person has before buying something has definitely increased from when i bought the OPO

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How do you feel about the company after all this time? Has any of the controversies changed your perception of the company? Would you buy its products in the future? Etc...
For me the company isn't as good as it was in the past when i bought the OPO. The controversies have changed my perception of the company by a lot. They have opened up a whole lot about the company that their PR Team can't cover up. The most sad thing I've found is that OP doesn't want to address the problems and even if they do they don't want to solve it. Its an amateur move to think that there's an easy way out. For instance (agree with me or not) OxygenOS was a screw up after all that hype. But they didn't address the problem they just kept hyping it more and more. For fixing of the problem, there is no update for OxygenOS.. It's like the project is dead. But let's not about that.
For the future products, I will look forward to buy them but the doubt a person has before buying something has definitely increased from when i bought the OPO
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How was Oxygen a screw up? Do you mean the extended delays? If so I agree completely, they made a huge mistake in continually promising release dates that they couldn't make. As far as updates go, it's been less than two months since release. Have a look at all the other OEM release schedules and it's pretty clear that updates aren't usually very frequent. Either way I'd still consider buying another OnePlus product, but my decision would hinge on what OS was shipped with the product.
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How was Oxygen a screw up? Do you mean the extended delays? If so I agree completely, they made a huge mistake in continually promising release dates that they couldn't make. As far as updates go, it's been less than two months since release. Have a look at all the other OEM release schedules and it's pretty clear that updates aren't usually very frequent. Either way I'd still consider buying another OnePlus product, but my decision would hinge on what OS was shipped with the product.
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Its not about the OS at all...Mentioning the OS was just for an instance and it was the first thing that came to my mind...I can google the other things if you want..give you a complete;y detailed list with the highest crystal purity you have ever seen :silly:
and i understand that it takes to roll out updates...But what is the overhyped PA/O2OS team doing since the past couple of months?

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Its not about the OS at all...Mentioning the OS was just for an instance and it was the first thing that came to my mind...I can google the other things if you want..give you a complete;y detailed list with the highest crystal purity you have ever seen :silly:
and i understand that it takes to roll out updates...But what is the overhyped PA/O2OS team doing since the past couple of months?
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I get what you're saying, OnePlus have made quite a few mistakes. They're a young company though, that's not to excuse them exactly, but hopefully they actually learn from their errors and make a bigger effort in future.
In regards to Oxygen, it isn't PA, there's only one member of the Oxygen team that came from Paranoid Android. As far as it being over-hyped, I can only assume that you're saying you weren't overly pleased with the end product. But as I see it they delivered exactly what they promised; a close to stock Android experience. I've seen a lot of people complain that it lacks features that they're used to, but those features that they're missing aren't a part of stock Android and therefore shouldn't have been expected in the first place. If people want those kinds of features turn they need to turn to the one place that they're readily available; XDA, and custom ROMs. In saying that, I don't personally like Oxygen, because I like more features, so I use custom ROMs. But I was fully aware that Oxygen was being promoted as a stock-like experience so there's no reason to complain about that. The fact that I don't personally like it doesn't make it a bad product, it just means it's my own opinion, and I'm not arrogant enough to think that my opinion means that it's a bad OS, there are many people out there that love it.
What have the Oxygen team been doing? What has any development team been doing since their last update? Working on the OS (hopefully). The fact is we're not entitled to anything, it's an optional OS.
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I get what you're saying, OnePlus have made quite a few mistakes. They're a young company though, that's not to excuse them exactly, but hopefully they actually learn from their errors and make a bigger effort in future.
In regards to Oxygen, it isn't PA, there's only one member of the Oxygen team that came from Paranoid Android. As far as it being over-hyped, I can only assume that you're saying you weren't overly pleased with the end product. But as I see it they delivered exactly what they promised; a close to stock Android experience. I've seen a lot of people complain that it lacks features that they're used to, but those features that they're missing aren't a part of stock Android and therefore shouldn't have been expected in the first place. If people want those kinds of features turn they need to turn to the one place that they're readily available; XDA, and custom ROMs. In saying that, I don't personally like Oxygen, because I like more features, so I use custom ROMs. But I was fully aware that Oxygen was being promoted as a stock-like experience so there's no reason to complain about that. The fact that I don't personally like it doesn't make it a bad product, it just means it's my own opinion, and I'm not arrogant enough to think that my opinion means that it's a bad OS, there are many people out there that love it.
What have the Oxygen team been doing? What has any development team been doing since their last update? Working on the OS (hopefully). The fact is we're not entitled to anything, it's an optional OS.
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I don't know how this turned into a debate on n OxygenOS. But now since it has there are already too many ROMs which are near stock experience.. What's the use of one more? Also they never said they were going to release a ROM which was near stock rather they said it was going to be something great. There are already enough averages out there, no need for one more giving the stock experience.

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I don't know how this turned into a debate on n OxygenOS. But now since it has there are already too many ROMs which are near stock experience.. What's the use of one more? Also they never said they were going to release a ROM which was near stock rather they said it was going to be something great. There are already enough averages out there, no need for one more giving the stock experience.
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Natural progression of the conversation since that's where you started in your OP. What's the use? Choice. The fact that you don't like it doesn't mean others don't, you have your opinion and you're entitled to that, but your opinion doesn't dictate how others see the ROM. It's simple; if you don't like Oxygen just don't use it. We have literally dozens and dozens of ROMs available for this phone so you can have your pick.
There are plenty of people who want a near stock experience. And yes, they did promote it as that on numerous occasions. And it is great in many people's eyes, which brings me back to my previous point; the fact that you don't think it's great doesn't mean it isn't great for someone else. To each their own.
To say thread the ROM is pointless is akin to saying that any phone without a custom ROM on it (and running OEM firmware) is pointless. There are billions of those in the world. Custom ROMs are the minority. Plus, there are many ROMs right here on XDA that are a near stock experience, are they all pointless?
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Natural progression of the conversation since that's where you started in your OP. What's the use? Choice. The fact that you don't like it doesn't mean others don't, you have your opinion and you're entitled to that, but your opinion doesn't dictate how others see the ROM. It's simple; if you don't like Oxygen just don't use it. We have literally dozens and dozens of ROMs available for this phone so you can have your pick.
There are plenty of people who want a near stock experience. And yes, they did promote it as that on numerous occasions. And it is great in many people's eyes, which brings me back to my previous point; the fact that you don't think it's great doesn't mean it isn't great for someone else. To each their own.
To say thread the ROM is pointless is akin to saying that any phone without a custom ROM on it (and running OEM firmware) is pointless. There are billions of those in the world. Custom ROMs are the minority. Plus, there are many ROMs right here on XDA that are a near stock experience, are they all pointless?
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Is adding 1 to 100 pointless? Yup!

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Is adding 1 to 100 pointless? Yup!
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Alright, I can see this is a discussion that will go nowhere because you fully believe that your opinion is the only one in the world that matters, that your opinion is the only one in the world that is right, and that your opinion is fact and not just an opinion. No matter how many perfectly rational and valid points I put forward you're unable to open your mind to see past your own point of view. Good luck with that.

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Alright, I can see this is a discussion that will go nowhere because you fully believe that your opinion is the only one in the world that matters, that your opinion is the only one in the world that is right, and that your opinion is fact and not just an opinion. No matter how many perfectly rational and valid points I put forward you're unable to open your mind to see past your own point of view. Good luck with that.
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Yes you are right. OP's own conscience is not clear yet. He need to understand what exactly he want from the company. Oxygen OS was pure AOSP build. I don't think there is any ROM on XDA which is pure stock like Oxygen. So people who love AOSP ROM's will prefer oxygen. Other people have tons of ROMs to choose from.

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Yes you are right. OP's own conscience is not clear yet. He need to understand what exactly he want from the company. Oxygen OS was pure AOSP build. I don't think there is any ROM on XDA which is pure stock like Oxygen. So people who love AOSP ROM's will prefer oxygen. Other people have tons of ROMs to choose from.
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First of all i didn't come here to discuss about OxygenOS and conscience? Really?

Heisenberg said:
Alright, I can see this is a discussion that will go nowhere because you fully believe that your opinion is the only one in the world that matters, that your opinion is the only one in the world that is right, and that your opinion is fact and not just an opinion. No matter how many perfectly rational and valid points I put forward you're unable to open your mind to see past your own point of view. Good luck with that.
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I don't about my opinion and my ability to look beyond it but what i know from roaming around these forums is that its very easy to honey pot people. Its very easy to get their loyalty and to have them defend you at no matter what. Its really easy to stop them from taking out a moment and rationally thinking.

I personally think OnePlus is on the right track. I'd consider a phone from them again only if the value was similar. A phone with these specs at 360 today is still a decent deal. Regarding oxygen os, I'm one of the users that likes it pure asop base and then I use xposed to add the specific features I want. I view the sheer volume of choices as a huge value add for this phone and its ease to flash custom roms a huge benefit ensuring support from dev community for a while. Is there room for improvement? Absolutely but it's still high on my list of vendors to choose from when it's time to upgrade.

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First of all i didn't come here to discuss about OxygenOS and conscience? Really?
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Can't you see you are begging for updates of Oxygen in your first post. Now you are saying its not about Oxygen OS.

loving OPO the starting period... Now hating and waiting to sold my OPO and I will NEVER buy a product from them anymore.
From 1 month I've the display issue, with ghost/non responsive touch, no matter what ROM or FIX I apply....
I contact the assistance to change it in warranty, they told me that they can't repair 'cause it have some dents on the frame...
They continue to send me ROMS, links, zips with pre-writed forms, they never read one word from what i write them.
So, I've a VERY BAD opinion of them, and from now, I will leave forever all their products to others people on the earth.
Flagship killer.... it's easy to use batches of fail/cheap display and when they result as crappy display you search all excuses to not repair them.

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Can't you see you are begging for updates of Oxygen in your first post. Now you are saying its not about Oxygen OS.
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dude i don't even use o2os

m4ssnet said:
loving OPO the starting period... Now hating and waiting to sold my OPO and I will NEVER buy a product from them anymore.
From 1 month I've the display issue, with ghost/non responsive touch, no matter what ROM or FIX I apply....
I contact the assistance to change it in warranty, they told me that they can't repair 'cause it have some dents on the frame...
They continue to send me ROMS, links, zips with pre-writed forms, they never read one word from what i write them.
So, I've a VERY BAD opinion of them, and from now, I will leave forever all their products to others people on the earth.
Flagship killer.... it's easy to use batches of fail/cheap display and when they result as crappy display you search all excuses to not repair them.
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OP's service has always been awful

maybe
It all depends on the price for me. I bought the Oneplus One because it was pretty cheap, had good specs and a decent community. I might buy the Two if it's cheap. If it's expensive because of some useless metal parts or because it has the ability to control my tv or make soup, I won't buy it.

I love my OPO and can't wait for OP2. Tech support IME has been fantastic, they solved a small issue without delay and were friendly & helpful the entire time. I'd recommend OnePlus to anybody based on that experience and of course the phone itself. tbh i don't care at all about OxygenOS or delays because I run rooted custom all the time no matter what it came with. Mine came with KitKat and was awesome the whole time, when LP arrived it was still awesome so there's no reason to be unhappy.
CM12S is a good default choice for most ppl and the camera app is solid, only wish it used Camera2 LP API even if we'd lose the Clear Image feature. Openness of the hardware is like a breath of fresh air after years of Samsung. Now that Samsung is trying to be Apple with KNOX and other BS it's even more compelling to choose OnePlus for the next iteration - IF they keep the screen at least 5.5, hopefully bigger.