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Just one data point, but it seems like a very clear takeaway:
I used titanium to uninstall a bunch of social apps, specifically anything including the words
facebook
twitter
flickr
instagram
linkedin
picasa
Importantly, I included any related apps (eg "Facebook Engine.." "Facebook for HTC Sense" etc)
I also uninstalled Car.. and HTC Car..
I found to my surprise that battery life got worse.
Much worse.
I ran the phone like this for two weeks and got somewhere between half and three-quarters of the battery performance during a normal day's use. A key observation is I went from losing 1-6% battery capacity overnight to losing 20% every night.
I restored a nandroid backup (returning the phone to its state immediately before removing these apps - - I made the nandroid for this reason and only this reason, and removing the social apps was the only change I made to the phone after making the nandroid) and my battery life immediately returned to normal. The last two nights since I made the change I lost only 2% battery life instead of 20.
Again, this is only one data point, and it's *possible* some other random thing happened in my world that could have caused this. But I really earnestly tried to be scientific (and patient) about this, and to me at least the result was very VERY clear.
Just leave the social apps, even if you don't use them.
[NB- I always remove 7digital, kidmode, rescue security, and I sometimes remove Chrome, and have never noticed an effect on battery life after removing those apps, over many months of owning the phone]
PS I don't have the paid version of TB, so no, I didn't freeze, I uninstalled outright and was forced to nandroid back to get to where I was before.
That sounds very strange!?
well, anyway, those apps, how much space are they taking from storage?
i feel i dont need to remove any apps, have plenty of room.
Just disable them under apps, and the hide the rest with whatever launcher you're using.
Battery life was fine for me (when I ran stock), and it's fine on my gf's one (who is currently still stock)
I remover app bloat all the time and get better battery. Are your sure your not doing it wrong?
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Just selected the app in Titanium and clicked "uninstall". You tell me - is that doing it wrong?
I don't think this so much about *how* to uninstall an app but rather *whether* to uninstall an app that other parts of the whole system are expecting to be there.
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Just selected the app in Titanium and clicked "uninstall". You tell me - is that doing it wrong?
I don't think this so much about *how* to uninstall an app but rather *whether* to uninstall an app that other parts of the whole system are expecting to be there.
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Usually bloatware is installed as a system app. Sometimes when you uninstall them you can get some weird wakelocks or FC's. I usually freeze the app. Delete all data then uninstall.
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Usually bloatware is installed as a system app. Sometimes when you uninstall them you can get some weird wakelocks or FC's. I usually freeze the app. Delete all data then uninstall.
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This is true. Get an app like BetterBatteryStats and it will tell you if there is anything causing excessive drain. I have personally never experienced worse battery life after installing social apps.
That's crazy talk. Its definitely all in your head...
Experienced similar thing too. Tried several "debloated" ROMs like Trickdroid, Orio, few others (both when they were 4.2 and now leaked 4.3) and had an awful battery life. Went back to 4.2.2 stock (2.24.401.8) and now I can use my phone throughout the day again.
Well, what's being discussed here is taking a virgin stock ROM that has been running happily for some time and then using titanium to uninstall all the social apps at once: this method may cause wakelocks.
A ROM that has had all the "bloat" removed in advance before you even flash it seems less likely to leave your phone in such a state?
I'm not saying your experience is not real, and it raises an interesting point, but it still seems to me if bad battery life were common to all those debloated ROMs, I think we'd have heard more about it by now?
The right way to really test this, which was suggested above and I'm sorry I didn't do, is install BBS or GSAM and find out *what* is eating battery.
All I know is
- I changed X
- Things got worse
- I undid X
- Things got better
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That's crazy talk. Its definitely all in your head...
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NxNW said:
I restored a nandroid backup (returning the phone to its state immediately before removing these apps - - I made the nandroid for this reason and only this reason, and removing the social apps was the only change I made to the phone after making the nandroid) and my battery life immediately returned to normal. The last two nights since I made the change I lost only 2% battery life instead of 20.
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Now to test again remove the bloat again and see what the battery life does. But it's good you actually did some testing unlike the people calling you crazy but if your battery life decreases again after repeating the experiment the results are much stronger.
i remove all bloat that i would never use and my battery is fine
When I was stock, I froze everything that I considered to be bloat. I typically don't uninstalled system components. There's always a chance of borking something by uninstalling something you shouldn't have.
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I'll uninstall carrier apps, because those are added after the fact. Uninstalling system apps can definitely cause issues. Better to hide them like someone suggested.
Is there a way I can officially know if I have a bad battery on my LGG2? When I had purchased the phone, I never really took interest in it because of it's battery life, but after hearing that it has a great battery life I thought mine was lacking. I hear people having it go for two days without a charge. Yet mine was being charged once a day or more at least. I had batterydoctor installed, and when I had it, it would say I got about 22 hours or so normally. Then 17 or so.
I took the phone to the AT&T service center to get a replacement as I felt as if the battery was bad. Yet after getting the new one, I feel as if I'm having the same problem or even worse.
I'm still getting below 20 hours, and the battery seems to die faster than expected. I do not do a lot on my phone as it is. I had previously only had BatteryDoctor control the CPU, but I purchased SetCPU to get a bit better control on my CPU. I read push notifications was more efficient than 15 minute intervals, so I set those on my email apps. I don't have a lot of widgets, or even more than two. My screen brightness is usually below half.
Am I just plagued with a bad battery, or am I doing somethings wrong here? Anymore I can do?
Along the lines of this, is there a list of what bloatware apps I can uninstall from the LGG2? I had uninstalled a lot, but I'm not really sure what is still safe or unsafe to uninstall.
The built in battery manager as of now expects my battery to last around 6-8 hours, while battery doctor says 15 hours.
You can't uninstall anything that your system needs unless you're rooted and using an application manager to uninstall, such as Titanium Backup. If you're removing apps from the stock app page, you'll be fine to remove anything that is removable.
I'm sure your battery is fine, but you didn't give us any hard proof of what's going on. Go into your Settings and check the Battery section after the phone is down to about 50% or so. My guess is, that Google Services will be the main battery culprit, with Screen somewhere behind it.
If Google Services is what's chewing through your battery, you're not alone. The easiest way to fix the issue right now is to disable Google's Location Services.
If that's not what's causing your problem, please report back here with more info and we'll try to get you sorted out.
Sent from CAMACHO, my Verizon G2 (VS980) running PAC ROM 4.3.
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You can't uninstall anything that your system needs unless you're rooted and using an application manager to uninstall, such as Titanium Backup. If you're removing apps from the stock app page, you'll be fine to remove anything that is removable.
I'm sure your battery is fine, but you didn't give us any hard proof of what's going on. Go into your Settings and check the Battery section after the phone is down to about 50% or so. My guess is, that Google Services will be the main battery culprit, with Screen somewhere behind it.
If Google Services is what's chewing through your battery, you're not alone. The easiest way to fix the issue right now is to disable Google's Location Services.
If that's not what's causing your problem, please report back here with more info and we'll try to get you sorted out.
Sent from CAMACHO, my Verizon G2 (VS980) running PAC ROM 4.3.
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I am aware I can't uninstall anything my system needs, but I am not aware of what my system needs and does not need. I know of the obvious bloatware applications, so I uninstalled those. As for other things, I am not sure of. I would like to get rid of any unneeded apps that I will not use or have no use for as much as possible. And my device is rooted. And I do use Titanium Backup.
Sorry about that, I'm not good at explaining things most of the time. I'm not really sure as of what proof is needed. Though I have checked before. Google Services seems to come up often. Android System is the second I usually see as well. Screen usually comes into third or lower. I will disable the Location Services and see how things work out.
Thanks for the help so far. If there is any other info that is needed, I will try my best to provide such things.
As far as debloating goes, I recommend installing a modified stock ROM, such as Malladus. That way you don't have to compile a list of things that can or can't be removed.
If my previous fix doesn't work, try downloading an app such as Better Battery Stats ($2.89) or Wakelock Detector (free). They will tell what's keeping your phone awake.
And then you can use an app like Greenify to prevent specific pesky apps from waking your phone and causing massive battery drain. You can use Greenify to stop Google apps as well, but it will prevent notifications from all of their apps. For example, instead of disabling Location Services on my phone, I prevented Google Maps and Google Play Services from causing wakelocks. Which worked great to keep my battery running, but it also prevented Google Voice from notifying me of new text messages and the Play Store wouldn't do automatic updates. Still, if you can live without these features, that might be another option for you until Google gets their stuff fixed.
Sent from CAMACHO, my Verizon G2 (VS980) running PAC ROM 4.3.
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As far as debloating goes, I recommend installing a modified stock ROM, such as Malladus. That way you don't have to compile a list of things that can or can't be removed.
If my previous fix doesn't work, try downloading an app such as Better Battery Stats ($2.89) or Wakelock Detector (free). They will tell what's keeping your phone awake.
And then you can use an app like Greenify to prevent specific pesky apps from waking your phone and causing massive battery drain. You can use Greenify to stop Google apps as well, but it will prevent notifications from all of their apps. For example, instead of disabling Location Services on my phone, I prevented Google Maps and Google Play Services from causing wakelocks. Which worked great to keep my battery running, but it also prevented Google Voice from notifying me of new text messages and the Play Store wouldn't do automatic updates. Still, if you can live without these features, that might be another option for you until Google gets their stuff fixed.
Sent from CAMACHO, my Verizon G2 (VS980) running PAC ROM 4.3.
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I will give it some thought on using either a modified or custom ROM. I have not yet tried that with any phone I have had before because I'm afraid that normal phone functions might not work. That and I did not have too much experience in messing with ROMs, but I have now done so on my tablets. Though I might still look for a list just in case.
I will look into these two apps to see how they might work and if they will be any benefit. I have heard of a couple other apps to try and extend the battery life as well.
I might look into Greenify as well. It sounds like it could have its use, but I'm not sure I would really use it as such. I did enjoy using Google Now, but I used it mostly for the weather. I can get any other random weather app and probably be just as fine. I don't think I ever used Location Services for anything else other than Google Now or Maps. Which if I need to use the GPS, I can turn it on once again.
Is using such apps like SetCPU a good idea? Or does that make things worse?
SInce Greenify works with the new MOFO method, I thought it would be interesting to see how it's affecting the Turbo's already superior battery life. How much further are people getting on a single charge?
i completely forgot about that. i will let you know. may take a couple days though to really see.
I've been using greenify since owning the turbo. Without xposed, root only allows for hibernation without having to turn the screen on. Otherwise, I haven't noticed much of a difference - though it is nice not watching the screen turn on, stop processes, then turn off many times a day.
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I've been using greenify since owning the turbo. Without xposed, root only allows for hibernation without having to turn the screen on. Otherwise, I haven't noticed much of a difference - though it is nice not watching the screen turn on, stop processes, then turn off many times a day.
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i thought without root it could not autohibernate. before root you had ot manually hit the button to close apps. at least i couldnt find a way to have it auto hibernate without root
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i thought without root it could not autohibernate. before root you had ot manually hit the button to close apps. at least i couldnt find a way to have it auto hibernate without root
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No it can auto hibernate without root. You just have to set greenify as a device administrator - and it has to turn the screen on to stop apps. This function may require the paid version (dont remember), but not root. I think root may also allow hibernation of system apps, but even then I think that was an option without root.
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does not work 100%?
My workaround was to use fast reboot pro since it stops apps without root or turning on the screen.
Haven't rooted my turbo yet (not paying for it when they give disclaimers and there was a bounty) but frp seems to save some battery plus switching to ART helps as well.
I don't think greenify will do much difference because it requires more of cpu downclocking and Governor change.
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I don't think greenify will do much difference because it requires more of cpu downclocking and Governor change.
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Huh? Greenify does not "downclock" or change your governor. It keeps wake locks down, and prevents apps from using battery by running when they don't need to be.
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My battery barelly holds 16 hours and I have the donation package of greenify. What am I doing wrong? My Z2 battery used to hold like 18~20 hours or even more.
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Huh? Greenify does not "downclock" or change your governor. It keeps wake locks down, and prevents apps from using battery by running when they don't need to be.
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I am well aware of that. My lack of not seperating the sentences may have brought confusion. What I was implying, was that greenify won't do so much of a difference because to obtain legit battery improvements it requires tweaking of kernel and cpu and governors and achieve the best battery possible.
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My battery barelly holds 16 hours and I have the donation package of greenify. What am I doing wrong? My Z2 battery used to hold like 18~20 hours or even more.
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Do not be mislead to how many hours it lasts in the long run of quantity but focus on screen on time which matters most. I am not rooted whatsoever and I constantly achieve this battery life.
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I am well aware of that. My lack of not seperating the sentences may have brought confusion. What I was implying, was that greenify won't do so much of a difference because to obtain legit battery improvements it requires tweaking of kernel and cpu and governors and achieve the best battery possible.
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I see. I do think greenify does its job, and certainly helps battery life (especially in conjunction with xposed). I would, and I am sure many others would agree that it's still an effective and legitimate tool. I agree, not as much so as throttling, but that's not really what I thought this thread was about. We are unfortunately far from kernel tweaks at the moment ☺
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I am well aware of that. My lack of not seperating the sentences may have brought confusion. What I was implying, was that greenify won't do so much of a difference because to obtain legit battery improvements it requires tweaking of kernel and cpu and governors and achieve the best battery possible.
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apps not waking the cpu from deep sleep and being more efficient than a super fast cpu running more slowly and performing the tasks for longer. sounds better to me at least thats the idea behind the new job scheduler api in 5.x and greenify thats longer that all the components on the phone have to be operating and creating heat Im not an expert but my 2 cents
53?!?
Thats right, 53 hours, or around there at least. So I am using the original root image from mofo, with Greenify Donation Package installed, so I get auto hibernation, but not the system function hibernation....yet. I may be updating to an Xposed image soon, to unlock those features. I have every app possible except Carbonite Mobile (Auto Pic/Video backup/access) and TextSecure ( 3rd party SMS/MMS) set to auto-hibernate, including my 3rd party email K-9 Mail, I don't use the normal GMail app. With my current combination, normal usage inc. phone calls, texts, (mostly) web browsing or stalking the XDA app, I got a whopping ~53 hours of battery life before I had to charge at 2%. My phone is also my alarm clock. Unfortunately I forgot to take a screen shot, but I will try and duplicate it and take one.
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Thats right, 53 hours, or around there at least. So I am using the original root image from mofo, with Greenify Donation Package installed, so I get auto hibernation, but not the system function hibernation....yet. I may be updating to an Xposed image soon, to unlock those features. I have every app possible except Carbonite Mobile (Auto Pic/Video backup/access) and TextSecure ( 3rd party SMS/MMS) set to auto-hibernate, including my 3rd party email K-9 Mail, I don't use the normal GMail app. With my current combination, normal usage inc. phone calls, texts, (mostly) web browsing or stalking the XDA app, I got a whopping ~53 hours of battery life before I had to charge at 2%. My phone is also my alarm clock. Unfortunately I forgot to take a screen shot, but I will try and duplicate it and take one.
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That's intense.
Just rooted and got xposed working last night to hibernate some system apps. Excited to see how it works.
Sooooooooo..... Battery life with greenify and lux after root and disabling bloat. My location services are on high accuracy. My Bluetooth is always on with my moto 360. Wi-Fi and data are also always on. I receive all notifications. How can I ask for any better.....
That picture doesn't really mean anything without also showing screen on time.
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That picture doesn't really mean anything without also showing screen on time.
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Because of the moto 360 not a lot of screen time. I reply and skip music through through the watch.
So for people like me that means a lot. Just news when I'm free for screen on time.
XT1225, Kit Kat with some apps greenified and some bloat removed/frozen.
Hi everyone,
When i view the battery usage, i see that Google services isbthe first process drain my battery. Do you have idea why ? And how to fix it.
I have N910C with stock rom.
Thanks.
I have the exact same problem.
This might be a bad update from google .
I installed naptime and wait to see if it gets better .
I didn't make a change in the phone, but it's a strange.
Why don't you block it and do not allow it to work in the background anymore? In this way, you can control when and how much Services will work.
Hi, thanks for your answer.
How can i block them ? With greenify, it is already.
I tried them all: greenify, amplify power nap, force doze etc .
For me the best battery life I get is when I just let my phone do what it wants.
It does show a big number of wake locks but they don't appear to impact battery life as much as you would think .
If you really want to get rid of most battery drain in standby you can just disable WiFi and mobile data but I wouldn't do this as you won't get any more messages from what's up or Facebook .
Otherwise just leave it alone . Android knows what it's doing .
Is there any life w/o google?
Yes. it is.
I have rooted my 910C, installed Nemesis Refined (gorgeous ROM with a lot of wonderful elements, including a great battery saver kernel - SpaceLemon), then I ditched every google service and if need I login from browser and that's it.
And so there is F-Droid, Aptoide, APKPure, and others.
Never ever had any security problem, my apps run smooth w/o hiccups, and my phone has a new, reborn, life!
Of course, there is Xposed with Greenify, Amplify, and others alike.
Guys, try it, you don't know what you loose if you keep your phone steered by google.
Good luck!
If you need more info, here I am.
Have a nice week-end all!
The problem is gone when disabling 4G and using Wifi with 2G only.
So I broke my old Note 4 that I used at work. I'm now dusting off my daughter's old S7 Edge to use that, upgraded to latest firmware, used CCSW to disable all what I consider crapware, and now I have a question. Since this is running Oreo the battery and data optimization is not as complex as what we have recently (my "weekend" phone is a Note 10 running Android 11), so should I still use Greenify to control my running apps or is the battery optimization in Oreo is good enough without the need for an "extra" app running in the background to control that. I appreciate everyone's opinion!
Lol, that app and a 3rd party launcher were the prime suspects in 2 back to back boot loops on my N10+ Never again.
Not sure about Oreo but power management always causes issues in Pie including poor battery life.
I simply close app when done with them and Android does fine.
Any apps that don't behave under those terms I deal with on a case by case basis. Some are uninstalled or temporarily/permanently disabled.
Google Framework, Play Services and Playstore are habitual offenders.
Play with it and see what's using the battery, go from there. Maybe it will behave better than you expect.
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Lol, that app and a 3rd party launcher were the prime suspects in 2 back to back boot loops on my N10+ Never again.
Not sure about Oreo but power management always causes issues in Pie including poor battery life.
I simply close app when done with them and Android does fine.
Any apps that don't behave under those terms I deal with on a case by case basis. Some are uninstalled or temporarily/permanently disabled.
Google Framework, Play Services and Playstore are habitual offenders.
Play with it and see what's using the battery, go from there. Maybe it will behave better than you expect.
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Thx for the reply. Yes, besides CCSW to disable apps that either I consider crapware or apps that I use rarely, I don't use Greenify or other "battery saving" apps on my Note10. I feel that Pie and above has way better management options for apps that previous Android releases. If I close all my apps on "recents" and reboot my phone and let it sit there overnight I get only a 2-3% drop in my battery. That tells that battery is well managed.
Now for this old S7 on Oreo well I dont have many options in the apps settings besides the battery optimization switch. That's why I'm debating if I should use Greenify or not to have better control of apps that I really dont want running on the background but still want to receive notifications when they arrive.
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Thx for the reply. Yes, besides CCSW to disable apps that either I consider crapware or apps that I use rarely, I don't use Greenify or other "battery saving" apps on my Note10. I feel that Pie and above has way better management options for apps that previous Android releases. If I close all my apps on "recents" and reboot my phone and let it sit there overnight I get only a 2-3% drop in my battery. That tells that battery is well managed.
Now for this old S7 on Oreo well I dont have many options in the apps settings besides the battery optimization switch. That's why I'm debating if I should use Greenify or not to have better control of apps that I really dont want running on the background but still want to receive notifications when they arrive.
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I reboot my 10+ every few days or if it acts up... no reboot in 3-5 days can do that
At night I simply close all open apps although I do that throughout the day as well. I use Device Care to do clean ups every 2-3 days. Other than clearing the system cache that's about as much system maintenance as I do.
I also police the download folder daily and once a month scan with Malwarebytes. A very low maintenance, clean running system.
Greenify worried me as it wasn't seamless or fast and running at boot up means it had the capability to boot loop the device. If I never see another boot loop it won't be missed...
Maybe on an older OS you would see tangible power savings but it didn't do much for me on Pie.
In the end, tracking the power hogs down and dealing with them on a case by case basis did.
I run with Google play Services disabled 98% of the time now. It nets me about 2%@hr better battery life.
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I feel that Pie and above has way better management options for apps that previous Android releases.
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On my N10+ ruunong on Pie, all Device Care power management toggles are turn off except for fast charging.
The power mode is always set to "Optimize".