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Looking at the FCC docs for what appears to be the S7, it seems like Samsung will finally make just a single hardware variant for the US, FCC ID A3LSMG935US, with the different carrier models' features and bands being enabled/disabled solely in software or firmware.
Assuming this observation is correct, this will mark a sea change in Samsung's approach which in the past meant creating a plethora of hardware variants for the US market.
This may also mean that at some point we might see an unlocked model with broad support for multiple US carriers.
FINALLY! A single hardware variant for all US carriers
myphone12345 said:
Looking at the FCC docs for what appears to be the S7, it seems like Samsung will finally make just a single hardware variant for the US, FCC ID A3LSMG935US, with the different carrier models' features and bands being enabled/disabled solely in software or firmware.
Assuming this observation is correct, this will mark a sea change in Samsung's approach which in the past meant creating a plethora of hardware variants for the US market.
This may also mean that at some point we might see an unlocked model with broad support for multiple US carriers.
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Hope this will come true
haldi15 said:
GayT&T and Verizon will still lock the bootloaders on their versions
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Probably true but since most of us will have to buy the phone outright now due to no carrier subsidies, couldn't we just buy a T-Mobile version and active whatever bands are needed for lets say Verizon? I have always heard that T-Mobile phones are easier to deal with as far as a Sammy BL goes. I may be way off on my thinking but it was my thought as this was a way around Verizon and AT&T locking down the equipment that we own.
t_house said:
Probably true but since most of us will have to buy the phone outright now due to no carrier subsidies, couldn't we just buy a T-Mobile version and active whatever bands are needed for lets say Verizon? I have always heard that T-Mobile phones are easier to deal with as far as a Sammy BL goes. I may be way off on my thinking but it was my thought as this was a way around Verizon and AT&T locking down the equipment that we own.
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correct both US and canadian users already do this, you can either hex edit the modem or just flash a modem that carries the support already as many users have done.
t_house said:
Probably true but since most of us will have to buy the phone outright now due to no carrier subsidies, couldn't we just buy a T-Mobile version and active whatever bands are needed for lets say Verizon? I have always heard that T-Mobile phones are easier to deal with as far as a Sammy BL goes. I may be way off on my thinking but it was my thought as this was a way around Verizon and AT&T locking down the equipment that we own.
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Been using TMOBILE Phones on ATT Network for 5 years. S4- S5-Note 3, 4 and 5, S6 - etc.
Perhaps this coincides with the rumored Samsung leasing program and one unlocked phone for all carriers.
Only recently has Verizon started activating unlocked phones ie Nexus.
My 2 cents
Solace50 said:
correct both US and canadian users already do this, you can either hex edit the modem or just flash a modem that carries the support already as many users have done.
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Is it really expected to be that easy to use a T-Mobile S7 on Verizon? T-Mobile leaves them unlocked so you can flash Verizon radios and are good to go?
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Is it really expected to be that easy to use a T-Mobile S7 on Verizon? T-Mobile leaves them unlocked so you can flash Verizon radios and are good to go?
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I know in the past you could always take a Verizon S7 and use it on T-Mobile or AT&T, but the problem has been a lack of band support since Verizon only seems to include at most bands 2, 4, 5, and 13. Here's hoping the S7 changes this.
geoff5093 said:
I know in the past you could always take a Verizon S7 and use it on T-Mobile or AT&T, but the problem has been a lack of band support since Verizon only seems to include at most bands 2, 4, 5, and 13. Here's hoping the S7 changes this.
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I'm more interested in the other direction, T-Mobile S7 Edge on Verizon. If that's doable, that would be nice.
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I'm more interested in the other direction, T-Mobile S7 Edge on Verizon. If that's doable, that would be nice.
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I really hope so. In the past only the Verizon model could work on Verizon, but I think it's about time Samsung changes this and follows the route of the Nexus, iPhone, and Moto direction of one phone that works on all carriers.
I have a Verizon S5 and I can easily activate any band I need by changing settings in the IOT Hidden Menu and/or Service Mode. It's been a minute since I last played around with my phone in that capacity but I know I can do it. Obviously root access is a must to do any of this so I guess we will see if Sammy bastardizes the S7 like they did the S6 Edge and Edge+ with no options at all for root. That really is a deal breaker for me. I'll keep my S5 and see what the 2016 versions of the Nexus phones are like.
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I have a Verizon S5 and I can easily activate any band I need by changing settings in the IOT Hidden Menu and/or Service Mode. It's been a minute since I last played around with my phone in that capacity but I know I can do it. Obviously root access is a must to do any of this so I guess we will see if Sammy bastardizes the S7 like they did the S6 Edge and Edge+ with no options at all for root. That really is a deal breaker for me. I'll keep my S5 and see what the 2016 versions of the Nexus phones are like.
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No, you can't activate any band you need. You may be able to activate certain unlocked bands, but it still lacks many of the bands that are in use today by other carriers.
It has come to my attention that the Straight Talk version of the Galaxy S5 comes with an unlocked bootloader and is practically identical to the Verizon version. Cyanogenmod and TWRP can be loaded on to it. You would treat it as a developer model S5.
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t_house said:
It has come to my attention that the Straight Talk version of the Galaxy S5 comes with an unlocked bootloader and is practically identical to the Verizon version. Cyanogenmod and TWRP can be loaded on to it. You would treat it as a developer model S5.
Sent from my rooted SM-G900V
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That's awesome if true. Have you actually done this yourself? Or do you have a source?
Apparently AT&T will be offering an off-contract phone but still unsure if it will be unlocked or not. Does anyone have experience with AT&T and their off-contract phones.
Redflea said:
Is it really expected to be that easy to use a T-Mobile S7 on Verizon? T-Mobile leaves them unlocked so you can flash Verizon radios and are good to go?
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That seems to be what OP is implying, though I'm not as optimistic. If that's confirmed true then I'll be getting an S7 on day one.
Unlimited data keeps us on Verizon, but I'm so sick and tired of their locked down devices.
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Looking at the FCC docs for what appears to be the S7, it seems like Samsung will finally make just a single hardware variant for the US, FCC ID A3LSMG935US, with the different carrier models' features and bands being enabled/disabled solely in software or firmware.
Assuming this observation is correct, this will mark a sea change in Samsung's approach which in the past meant creating a plethora of hardware variants for the US market.
This may also mean that at some point we might see an unlocked model with broad support for multiple US carriers.
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Apparently not:
G930F (Global); G930A (AT&T, Cricket); G930P (Sprint, Boost, Virgin Mobile); G930V (Verizon); G930T (T-Mobile, Metro PCS); G930R (US Cellular)
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Source
I think OP was referring to this image. Notice the middle model.
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I think OP was referring to this image. Notice the middle model.
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Very interesting. But...
No VoLTE on that model means no simultaneous voice and data on Verizon, as voice will always be CDMA (assuming they don't try and pitch a hissy fit about activating on their network in the first place). Also no wifi calling on that model.
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So the T-Mobile site says it supports LTE band 13. I wonder if it could be used on Verizon, even if only in LTE mode?
Hi Guys,
Is it pretty much officially confirmed that the 6GB RAM, 128GB model will not be sold in the US?
Such a shame, I would have bought this with 6gb memory with a $100 more, than the Zenfone 3 Deluxe...
I believe they said that it will be made available to the international market in the future. No precise date tough...
I'm sure it will sell well no matter where it is launched. Those are some gaudy numbers.
They might be waiting for the SD821
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allan1229 said:
They might be waiting for the SD821
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Very unlikely since it's already out in China wth s820...
Thanks for your responses guys! Any one of you thinking of getting the 128 International model for here? Will it work with our GSM providers in the US?
Thanks!
ProFragger said:
Thanks for your responses guys! Any one of you thinking of getting the 128 International model for here? Will it work with our GSM providers in the US?
Thanks!
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If you mean the 128gb version from China, it will probably work but you won't have full coverage and 3G at best.
If you mean the 128gb version when it's made available, it'll be fully compatible, as is the interbationnal 64gb version.
djona12 said:
If you mean the 128gb version from China, it will probably work but you won't have full coverage and 3G at best.
If you mean the 128gb version when it's made available, it'll be fully compatible, as is the interbationnal 64gb version.
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Thanks bud, yeah I meant the 128gb Chinese version in case that version never arrives here. I am surprised that the Chinese model will have 0 US LTE compatibility, huh?
ProFragger said:
Thanks bud, yeah I meant the 128gb Chinese version in case that version never arrives here. I am surprised that the Chinese model will have 0 US LTE compatibility, huh?
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I can't say for sure LTE capability on the chinese version in the US is inexistent but i do believe that it's not optimal. I don't know what bands are used in the US. With that said, you can easily look it up and compare the bands you need with the bands on the chinese version
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Thanks bud, yeah I meant the 128gb Chinese version in case that version never arrives here. I am surprised that the Chinese model will have 0 US LTE compatibility, huh?
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Correct, no US LTE bands, as is usually the case for Chinese models.
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Correct, no US LTE bands, as is usually the case for Chinese models.
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Wow this is such a news to me! And since this is my first ZTE I will be interested in, do you know if ZTE generally offers unlocked Bootloaders and kernel sources? AKA is this a good Development community phone?
Thanks!
ProFragger said:
Wow this is such a news to me! And since this is my first ZTE I will be interested in, do you know if ZTE generally offers unlocked Bootloaders and kernel sources? AKA is this a good Development community phone?
Thanks!
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Unlocked bootloaders, no, ZTE has no history of unlocking BLs. They did say, however, that they'll be doing it for the Axon 7 at some point. When that'll be, nobody knows.
Kernel sources are already out, but they're not much use until a BL unlock comes out.
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Unlocked bootloaders, no, ZTE has no history of unlocking BLs. They did say, however, that they'll be doing it for the Axon 7 at some point. When that'll be, nobody knows.
Kernel sources are already out, but they're not much use until a BL unlock comes out.
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Thanks for the education! So no unlocked BL meaning, no TWRP and likely no CM 13, 14...? But how about Rooting, has that been horrendous as well?
Thanks!
What should we order an international model or us. Yes im verizon and us. Only reason i ask ... i have the note 4 and the roms are mostly f and g variant which are india and europe. Anyone else getting the earbuds with the preorder promo?
The US bootloader won't be unlockable.
LoliSmith said:
The US bootloader won't be unlockable.
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Isnt that whats been said about almost every samsung phone?
You have 1 choice as always with Verizon. You get the Verizon version like always.
How do you even pre-order the international version? On the samsung site all I see are the carrier branded ones.
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Isnt that whats been said about almost every samsung phone?
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When was the last US Samung Galaxy device unlockable?
US because I'm sure the S8 will support the international U model firmware like the S7
kennonk said:
How do you even pre-order the international version? On the samsung site all I see are the carrier branded ones.
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You can order it here, and they ship worldwide and are reputable:
https://www.unlocked-mobiles.com/sim-free-mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-s8-plus-sim-free-p-87505.html
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What should we order an international model or us. Yes im verizon and us.
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I'm pretty sure you'll have to get the Verizon model as Verizon is a CDMA network and the international model is GSM and won't work (it'd work on AT&T and T-Mobile as they are GSM networks). Even if it did work you'd have to consider what frequencies/bands the international model supports vs what your carrier uses (and it seems that's not been specified yet, at least not on GSMArena, unless all versions supports all the same frequencies/bands).
samteeee said:
You can order it here, and they ship worldwide and are reputable:
https://www.unlocked-mobiles.com/sim-free-mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-s8-plus-sim-free-p-87505.html
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Interesting only black and that feminine mauve colour (grey my ass).
I wonder where the silver and gold versions are being sold?
Sent from my Note 7, S7 Edge or S6
samteeee said:
You can order it here, and they ship worldwide and are reputable:
https://www.unlocked-mobiles.com/sim-free-mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-s8-plus-sim-free-p-87505.html
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NM, I tried to do a fake purchase and wasn't able to get them to ship to US, only UK.
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http://www.samsung.com/uk/smartphon...leMbCEOhBmuFF5g3q25kJViXEB_OCKvPx4F5TRnE4ljMO
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Do they ship to the US?
LoliSmith said:
Do they ship to the US?
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nope, my bad, i should of checked before posting.
So the International model with the Exynos chip does not have CDMA radios/modems, correct?
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So the International model with the Exynos chip does not have CDMA radios/modems, correct?
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We already covered this in another thread no?
Sent from my Note 7, S7 Edge or S6
happy2472 said:
What should we order an international model or us. Yes im verizon and us. Only reason i ask ... i have the note 4 and the roms are mostly f and g variant which are india and europe. Anyone else getting the earbuds with the preorder promo?
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Samsung pay wont work on International
johnwayne27 said:
Samsung pay wont work on International
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Yes true.
Good thing i dont use it...hell i dont even know if we have it in canada lol.
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force70 said:
We already covered this in another thread no?
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No.
Listen everyone if you cant reply with a positive response or helpful then please dont reply at all.
I'd be careful
I am still looking into comparing the US Snapdragon variant of the Samsung Galaxy S8+ vs the International variant with the Exynos chip. I will say the Exynos chip usually works a lot better than the snapdragon on a samsung phone. Which makes sense since it is a Samsung chip. The real world speed tests for the Exynos and benchmark tests usually outdo the snapdragon.
With that said, frequency bands need to be compared. Because obviously the international variant will not work for Sprint or Verizon. Furthermore, there are LTE bands to worry about for T-Mobile and AT&T. And I can not seem to verify the bands for the international variant. From what I remember for the S7 International variant, there was no LTE band 12 which T-Mobile uses for their new LTE band. It didn't matter much before but now this band is being used for low-band spectrum which is for inside buildings and rural long distance connections. This band is expanding.
Therefore, I want to first see the real word speed tests (because snapdragon upped their game a bit) and confirm the frequency bands which seems to be harder than I thought. Frequencycheck seems to think the INternational variant has Band 12 but are they reliable this early?
Anyway, can anyone confirm the LTE bands for the International G955F variant? Maybe I need to search in German or French.
Not everyone heads to the development forums so thought Id post this here.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=71996216
Please thank the developer on that thread.
Roms are already popping up as well! :thumbup:
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too bad its not for the Verizon S8+
Nice to see a familiar name over here @force70! Just ordered my phone today and hope to be getting it soon.
Jayster0966 said:
Nice to see a familiar name over here @force70! Just ordered my phone today and hope to be getting it soon.
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Haha! Yes its been awhile for sure. Hope all is well?
I think we will see alot of the old crew on the s8 which will be awesome
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too bad its not for the Verizon S8+
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But we all knew the snapdragon would be locked tight and see zero development.
Im ditching mine hopefully next week for the exynos if my vendor gets stock
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force70 said:
But we all knew the snapdragon would be locked tight and see zero development.
Im ditching mine hopefully next week for the exynos if my vendor gets stock
sent from my S8 plus, Note 7 or S7 Edge
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International version comes the 28th ... this is a sweet phone minus my audio issues ... ill be ok w no verizon root
Jayster0966 said:
Nice to see a familiar name over here @force70! Just ordered my phone today and hope to be getting it soon.
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You ordered one J-Dawg??LOL
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s7freak said:
You ordered one J-Dawg??LOL
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GREAT! Another familiar name! It's been a while @s7freak. It's like a family reunion around here.
I see you got yours already! :highfive:
Not sure yet but it'll be coming
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So no work is being done on the Snapdragon 835 then? I got the SM-G955U
opieum said:
So no work is being done on the Snapdragon 835 then? I got the SM-G955U
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Yeah they are working on something...engineering firmware again...its posted in here somewhere.
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opieum said:
So no work is being done on the Snapdragon 835 then? I got the SM-G955U
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Unfortunately not yet... Locked Bootloader! Need the Exynos unlocked model.
There have been other devices that had locked bootloaders and were rooted, Sony Z1S & a few other brands and models if I recall.
I understand an exploit needs to be found and assume one will be eventually. Just curious if anyone will be working on the SD835s
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I know installing custom ROMS will likely be a nonstarter with the locked bootloader. The stock ROM is good enough as a base with some minor debloating, in this case I'm interested in root so I can use titanium backup and other root tools.
opieum said:
There have been other devices that had locked bootloaders and were rooted, Sony Z1S & a few other brands and models if I recall.
I understand an exploit needs to be found and assume one will be eventually. Just curious if anyone will be working on the SD835s
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I know installing custom ROMS will likely be a nonstarter with the locked bootloader. The stock ROM is good enough as a base with some minor debloating, in this case I'm interested in root so I can use titanium backup and other root tools.
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I just posted they are working on the 835 to get it rooted.
And yes other devices with locked BLs have been unlocked, bypassed etc etc but not the later sammy devices.
S7 is a year old now and the BL is still locked.
Exynos is the the only way to go at this point.
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Sorry missed that, good to know!...But interesting. I was under the impression the G95xU designation meant it was unlocked. I've got one of those on TMo I've got both variants g955u and g950u hence why I was asking.
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Sorry missed that, good to know!...But interesting. I was under the impression the G95xU designation meant it was unlocked. I've got one of those on TMo I've got both variants g955u and g950u hence why I was asking.
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Seems this year all the US models are designated "U"..whether bought from samsung or the carriers.
The last few years U meant carrier unlocked which has zero to do with the bootloader
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That sucks that international phone doesn't support Band 30 for at&t LTE.
cline2 said:
That sucks that international phone doesn't support Band 30 for at&t LTE.
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Some say it has it some say it doesnt.
The FCC says it does...who knows lol
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force70 said:
Some say it has it some say it doesnt.
The FCC says it does...who knows lol
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Yeah but need speed faster.
force70 said:
Some say it has it some say it doesnt.
The FCC says it does...who knows lol
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If we could get a definite answer for this, the bands supported, by testing via side by side comparison of two varents near a ATT cell on band 30, then I would perhaps be convinced to go with the international varent. Could an early adopter who has happened to use both with an ATT carrier comment on this?
Otherwise I really enjoy the Snapdragon's support for demestic LTE bands, and FM radio. I travel through either urban zones of full cell coverage, or rural zones with none at all, so I prefer the fact that I can maximize the utility of both my radios in both environments.
Trying to decide between buying the T-Mobile Galaxy S8+ or the international Galaxy S8+
What are the difference between the two different process and why hasn't the Exynos come to the US yet?
Will either of them get custom ROMs in the future?
gunner007dc said:
Snapdragon never will as it has a locked bootloader.
Exynos can.
International S8+ are missing a couple LTE bands for link aggregation.
Also maybe things have changed, but Exynos doesn't have CDMA support in it's modem since Qualcomm controls the patents I believe on it. So you won't see an Exynos in the US (using any CDMA network)
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So then on T-Mobile a GSM network I shouldn't see any performance difference?
bump?
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bump?
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You are perfectly fine on T-Mobile using the DUOS S8+ model SM-G955FD.
https://www.frequencycheck.com/carr...td-lte-samsung-dream-2/t-mobile-united-states
Skander1998 said:
You are perfectly fine on T-Mobile using the DUOS S8+ model SM-G955FD.
https://www.frequencycheck.com/carr...td-lte-samsung-dream-2/t-mobile-united-states
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Thanks, I'm saving for the galaxy note 8. So That i could potentially install a custom rom in the future. I know that WiFi calling won't work with it. But getting the international Note 8/8+ wont effect any speed or connection with T-mobile network
Personally, I would rather go with the Exynos variant. As Snapdragon SOC seems to have a bad habit of overheating very easily.
DarkGuyver said:
Personally, I would rather go with the Exynos variant. As Snapdragon SOC seems to have a bad habit of overheating very easily.
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I searched but didn't see anyone having over heating issues with Snapdragon? I've used mine to do some heavy gaming on full brightness while charging and didn't even get a remotely warm area, not once. Cheers
Month old snapdragon s8+ US on sprint
Traceamount said:
I searched but didn't see anyone having over heating issues with Snapdragon? I've used mine to do some heavy gaming on full brightness while charging and didn't even get a remotely warm area, not once. Cheers
Month old snapdragon s8+ US on sprint
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I am with you, this is by far the coolest phone I have used. I play games while charging all the time with no heat.
Spud37 said:
Thanks, I'm saving for the galaxy note 8. So That i could potentially install a custom rom in the future. I know that WiFi calling won't work with it. But getting the international Note 8/8+ wont effect any speed or connection with T-mobile network
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Why wouldn't WiFi calling work on the Intl. Note8? I have the 950FD and WiFi calling works. But then again, I'm not on T-Mobile.
Traceamount said:
I searched but didn't see anyone having over heating issues with Snapdragon? I've used mine to do some heavy gaming on full brightness while charging and didn't even get a remotely warm area, not once. Cheers
Month old snapdragon s8+ US on sprint
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You are one of the lucky ones. Cause I have heard of people complaining about the Snapdragon 835 version of the SGS8 series getting really hot while playing 3D intensive games.