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Sure the camera doesn't have much of a lens, and the zoom is really interpolated; but I really have my doubts that the camera is actually a 3.0MP.
Have there been any in depth tests to prove the camera's resolution???
How big a file should it be with the 3.0M super fine photos?
I take photos at the highest resolution and there is still pixel 'blocking'. I know HTC is new to this, but it is a let down. My old Sony 2.0MP takes better photos.
Clearly u have mistaken abt the relationship between MP and picture quality.
Higher MP does not necessarily mean better images taken.
If u compare a logitech quickcam IM's photo to that of the microsoft 2MP one. u will realise that althought the IM only supports VGA but
picture quality is much better......
The 4 most important factors in photography: Skill, Lens quality, lens quality, lens quality.
And you did realize that when you use the 3 MP mode, there is no zoom available?
A typical 3 MP "Super fine" image will be around 900-1400 KB depending on colors and detail of the object/situation you photograph. A "Fine" photo will land around 450-750 KB.
There is no noticeable difference between "Fine" and "Super fine" modes except in close up, high contrast photos.
I have attached 2 photos for your comparison. Yes, the camera is of poor quality as seen by these 2 images.
http://bayimg.com/DAEKGaABO
http://bayimg.com/DaEkHAABO
Oh, and to double check the resolution, just take a picture, save it to your PC and open it up with any image editing program and see for yourself.
keithwwalker said:
Sure the camera doesn't have much of a lens, and the zoom is really interpolated; but I really have my doubts that the camera is actually a 3.0MP.
Have there been any in depth tests to prove the camera's resolution???
How big a file should it be with the 3.0M super fine photos?
I take photos at the highest resolution and there is still pixel 'blocking'. I know HTC is new to this, but it is a let down. My old Sony 2.0MP takes better photos.
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Did you really expect super great pictures on the data centric device? Sure SE Phones do a better job of this, but what else can they do?
If you want a high quality camera or anything else techy, always buy a dedicated device for the job. Simple.
Personally speaking I find the camera quality more than acceptable for a PPC/Phone, as a matter of fact I would go as far to say that it is the best in class out of all PPC Phones. Just MHO though.
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Personally speaking I find the camera quality more than acceptable for a PPC/Phone, as a matter of fact I would go as far to say that it is the best in class out of all PPC Phones.
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I've got the same impression about the cam,
at least compared to my old HTC Magician
Camera
The quality of the camera is probably the only reason why I have not let the X7501 fully replace my N95 as a phone!
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The quality of the camera is probably the only reason why I have not let the X7501 fully replace my N95 as a phone!
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lmao, scnr
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lmao, scnr
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I've got an N95 and its camera isn't much better in my opinion, though it copes with moving subjects slightly better and video is VASTLY superior. I prefer B&W shots on the Ameo though. The flash on the Ameo is much brighter too - I still don't understand why HTC don't provide an automated flash function though - very annoying!
Sorry if I gave the impression that I was expecting a first rate camera with the 7501.
I purchased this for the following reasons, ranking in importance:
PDA
Phone
GPS
Media Player
Camera
With that said, there is another component to a good photo beside: Skill, Lens quality.
That is the software that puts all the image together.
My old Sony 2.0MP had a Carl Zeiss lens and the end product was still crap compared to the Canon's of the day. The internal software was the let down. So too the HTC.
keithwwalker said:
Sure the camera doesn't have much of a lens, and the zoom is really interpolated; but I really have my doubts that the camera is actually a 3.0MP.
Have there been any in depth tests to prove the camera's resolution???
How big a file should it be with the 3.0M super fine photos?
I take photos at the highest resolution and there is still pixel 'blocking'. I know HTC is new to this, but it is a let down. My old Sony 2.0MP takes better photos.
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Calavaro said:
The 4 most important factors in photography: Skill, Lens quality, lens quality, lens quality.
And you did realize that when you use the 3 MP mode, there is no zoom available?
A typical 3 MP "Super fine" image will be around 900-1400 KB depending on colors and detail of the object/situation you photograph. A "Fine" photo will land around 450-750 KB.
There is no noticeable difference between "Fine" and "Super fine" modes except in close up, high contrast photos.
I have attached 2 photos for your comparison. Yes, the camera is of poor quality as seen by these 2 images.
http://bayimg.com/DAEKGaABO
http://bayimg.com/DaEkHAABO
Oh, and to double check the resolution, just take a picture, save it to your PC and open it up with any image editing program and see for yourself.
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Dude, when was the last time you really cleaned?
another big factor of picture quality is the sensor size...
most people down know this but the bigger teh sensor the better the picture quality...
that is why a dslr with a big sensor though it may have a 3 MP pixel size will alwasy be better than a point and shoot thats 8 MP
this gets into photography .. but basicly craming more pixels into a same sized sensor will seldom yield better results ... just maybe allow you to blow up the picture a bit more thats it...
having said that i think the camera on the athena is excellent compared to other phones of the nature
I disagree with the fact that len quality is the most important factor.... Len is very important but tt is when you r using something with a gd sensor.... the image processor and sensor.... b it cmos or ccd will
b the one that makes the most difference when it comes to image quality.......
Calavaro said:
The 4 most important factors in photography: Skill, Lens quality, lens quality, lens quality.
And you did realize that when you use the 3 MP mode, there is no zoom available?
A typical 3 MP "Super fine" image will be around 900-1400 KB depending on colors and detail of the object/situation you photograph. A "Fine" photo will land around 450-750 KB.
There is no noticeable difference between "Fine" and "Super fine" modes except in close up, high contrast photos.
I have attached 2 photos for your comparison. Yes, the camera is of poor quality as seen by these 2 images.
http://bayimg.com/DAEKGaABO
http://bayimg.com/DaEkHAABO
Oh, and to double check the resolution, just take a picture, save it to your PC and open it up with any image editing program and see for yourself.
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I disagree with the fact that len quality is the most important factor.... Len is very important but tt is when you r using something with a gd sensor.... the image processor and sensor.... b it cmos or ccd will
b the one that makes the most difference when it comes to image quality.......
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sensor is imp ... but like i said its sensor size...
and being how most cell phones are small... you cant fit a big sensor in it... so image quality willbe sub par always...
you made me laugh out loud with that comment....you're right!!
for gods sake calavaro if you dont want to dust, just blow that dust away.......sneeze or something!!
of course you wanted it there for effect!?!?
in keeping w/ the thread though, i have a trion w/ a 2 mp and it is the best i've had in all my pda/phones...how does the advantage compare to that camera? anyone??
dan
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you made me laugh out loud with that comment....you're right!!
for gods sake calavaro if you dont want to dust, just blow that dust away.......sneeze or something!!
of course you wanted it there for effect!?!?
in keeping w/ the thread though, i have a trion w/ a 2 mp and it is the best i've had in all my pda/phones...how does the advantage compare to that camera? anyone??
dan
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Can't remember if the Trion is the same as the Hermes?! If it is, I had a Hermes and loved the camera...for a PPC, but I rate the Athena camera slightly ahead in every way.
i do find the athena camera superior to every other camera phone i have seen...
i especially like the focus... it definately makes the picture quite al ot sharper
any other camera with a fixed focal length produces far inferior results...
the reason is because it is fixed at infinity ... so it doesnt have to focus necessarily ...
basicly becaused of a fixed focal length at infinity you get a much softer picture...
and it is a common known fact among photographers the infinity focal length produces sub par results ...
for example they dont use the infinity focal length to take landscape pictures... it really depends per lens but they use a dif formula to calculate the best length...
the long and the short a variable focal lens will top a fixed focal length always...
in short if you cant focus ur lens like most pda phones athenas is better...
Haha. I do dust. I live in a 3rd world country with massive traffic in the center of a big-ass city. I even have maids helping out. That's the best that can be done on a day to day basis. So how about, you know, focus on the issue at hand?
No matter how you look at it, a camera on a phone will never be as good as even the simplest point-and-shoot camera. Yes, quality has improved, but it's still way behind.
So what's up with those red lines at the top left corner? about half the pictures I take has this "effect". Seems to happen mostly in high light conditions.
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I've got an N95 and its camera isn't much better in my opinion, though it copes with moving subjects slightly better and video is VASTLY superior. I prefer B&W shots on the Ameo though. The flash on the Ameo is much brighter too - I still don't understand why HTC don't provide an automated flash function though - very annoying!
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The N95 indeed has a poor quality STILL capture, however the VIDEO capability is amazing.
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Haha. I do dust. I live in a 3rd world country with massive traffic in the center of a big-ass city. I even have maids helping out. That's the best that can be done on a day to day basis. So how about, you know, focus on the issue at hand?
No matter how you look at it, a camera on a phone will never be as good as even the simplest point-and-shoot camera. Yes, quality has improved, but it's still way behind.
So what's up with those red lines at the top left corner? about half the pictures I take has this "effect". Seems to happen mostly in high light conditions.
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This is becaues of teh sensor size i mentioned before ..
its just not possible unless you want to carry a huge phone... (thickness)
and though the athena is big its really not that thick...
i really don't get it. most of the comments posted praise the Athena camera. Personally i think the camera is pretty good and sharp and the fact it can produce a 3mp photo is excellent.. BUT.. after using it for 2 months.. it is only great for outdoor and scenery shots (or if your subject does not move too much). in a NORMAL (and i say normal as in if you are in doors and the lighting condition is considered very good) indoor situation, if your subject just moves a little.. the whole picture becomes blur.. try this.. take a shot outdoor while u shake ur camera.. (result.. decent picture)... go indoor and move your camera.. (result.. sucks)..
i for one bought the phone to also take pictures of my kid especially when we go out shopping.. but the camera feature simply cannot make it..
question: when indoors.. the camera is like perpetually in night mode (i mean everything is like in slow motion.. jerky..) weird?!?!? even if i am using my old xda ii, it does not do this.. why oh why?
i do understand what most of u guys are saying about a weak sensor.. but i for one is a disappointed customer.. a phone with such a powerful cpu yet the picture and video quality is terrible.. sigh...
You're beautiful and everyone knows it. That's why you take selfies. Rate this thread to express how the front-facing camera of the Moto X4 performs. A higher rating indicates that the front camera produces fantastic results consistently.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Best selfie camera I've ever had. 16mp plus a flash. Also has the selfie enhancement built into the app to use if desired.
Excellent quality. Portrait mode picture taken by Arnova's Gcam.
The front camera is outstanding.. I really love the quality of the pictures taken from the front cam.
Just a side note about the selfie camera:
It is advertised as a 16MP, but the Moto camera defaults to a 4MP (Adaptive Low Light) setting. You can manually choose the 16MP setting, but it's not selected by default. Also, I have yet to see any 3rd party camera use anything higher than 4MP on the selfie camera. I've tried multiple GCam mods, as well as several camera apps from the Gplay store, and they can only see 4MP as the highest resolution.
I'm not sure if it's a 16MP sensor that down-samples to 4MP for better low-light performance, or if it's a 4MP sensor that up-samples to 16MP. Either way, I'm not complaining about the quality of the images. They're quite nice, and take fantastic photos!
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Excellent quality. Portrait mode picture taken by Arnova's Gcam.
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can you share settings you are using ? and which apk ?
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can you share settings you are using ? and which apk ?
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GCam5.1.018-Arnova8G2-V1.3-Front-HDR+
Settings: Nexus 6p, nexus 6p, hdd+ on, face_brackets on
I'm from Brazil and here was noticed that the front camera can't focus objects that are close.
For an example, if you take a selfie, your face won't be focused but only what is behind you.
It is strange that I only see these complains about that here in Brazil.
Does anyone here having the same issue?
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I'm from Brazil and here was noticed that the front camera can't focus objects that are close.
For an example, if you take a selfie, your face won't be focused but only what is behind you.
It is strange that I only see these complains about that here in Brazil.
Does anyone here having the same issue?
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Im from india. My issue is everything looks good just before clicking pic. But after taking selfie it looks blurred
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Im from india. My issue is everything looks good just before clicking pic. But after taking selfie it looks blurred
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People here are commenting that the front camera has a fixed focus, so if you are not in the right distance, the picture will be a little blurry.
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People here are commenting that the front camera has a fixed focus, so if you are not in the right distance, the picture will be a little blurry.
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Almost every phone has a fixed focus front facing camera. The problem is that, in the X4, the focus distance is way higher than the usual. Half of the Galaxy S7 Flat units has this "problem" aswell, although way worse.
In photos where the subject is a big group of people, this is nice, as most people will be in focus. However, in a closeup selfie you will be very unfocused.
In my experience, the selfie has to be taken with at least 70% of an arm length from you to the phone, so you will be in focus.
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Settings: Nexus 6p, nexus 6p, hdd+ on, face_brackets on
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I couldn't find the "face_brackets on" in the debugging and tools so I ignored it.
It still works though.
You're beautiful and everyone knows it. That's why you take selfies. Rate this thread to express how the front-facing camera of the Xiaomi Poco F1 performs. A higher rating indicates that the front camera produces fantastic results consistently.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
I've rated selfie cam average coz it's a mixed bag
In artificial lighting conditions it produces somewhat blurry images. In fact selfies in complete darkness with the screen flash look better than selfies in artificial lights such as tubelights, bulbs etc. Bokeh selfies are better with more details as compared to normal selfies.
I'm talking about selfies with 0 beautification.
I must admit that I'm coming from nexus 5 which has 1.2 mp front camera so maybe I was expecting a bit too much from the 20 mp cam of Poco f1!
Come to think of it, various hardware checking apps show front camera as 5 mp!
May be they are detecting secondary camera at the back as front camera...anyone knows any app that detects all 3 cameras (megapixel and sensor used) correctly??!
It is correct with 5mp. The Cam combines four Pixels top one Superpixel.
I thought it's detecting 5 mp is secondary back camera and mistaking it for front cam
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It is correct with 5mp. The Cam combines four Pixels top one Superpixel.
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So you mean the front camera is actually a 5 mp cam and it should be denoted as such in hardware info apps such as CPU X? This explains why the selfie quality wasn't much much better as I had expected. I'm not that impressed with this 4 pixel combining to form a Superpixel technology....at least in poor lighting conditions.
It would also mean that the secondary 5 mp camera at the back isn't mentioned in the information generated by such apps!
Shouldn't it be mentioned?
I hope I'm clear on this point.
Noticed nowadays new camera unable to capture sharp pic for grp selfie
Grp selfie is where u at front n few members at the back to ensure everyone fit it in the picture
But what happen is only ur pic is sharp while the rest quite blur
This not happened during single lens with fix focus like s7 or 2016 model
How to fix this ?
I must admit that the selfies come out blurry when taken indoors especially when taken with volume rocker. It shakes up due to the press of the button. Do you guys face that?
senthilrameshjv said:
I must admit that the selfies come out blurry when taken indoors especially when taken with volume rocker. It shakes up due to the press of the button. Do you guys face that?
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I assume you might already be aware, they do have the option to use the fingerprint scanner as shutter.
Camera - Settings , scroll down and find it under Additional settings
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I assume you might already be aware, they do have the option to use the fingerprint scanner as shutter.
Camera - Settings , scroll down and find it under Additional settings
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Yes indeed. But just verifying if it's only my phone gets blurry due to such small shakes.
senthilrameshjv said:
Yes indeed. But just verifying if it's only my phone gets blurry due to such small shakes.
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It's the same with me also, even on the rear camera most of the pictures taken on artificial lighting conditions are blurry because of that shaking.
The correct name for this thread is "Blurry camera" Quality
Even with the tripod its taking blurry shot - Cool is it ?
Need a Fix for this soon
The youtube reviews were good regarding the front camera & even the photos were good. Were the review units different or the camera hardware in the 8gb+256gb?
am i just speculating? :crying:
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The youtube reviews were good regarding the front camera & even the photos were good. Were the review units different or the camera hardware in the 8gb+256gb?
am i just speculating? :crying:
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Mine is 128gb 6Gb variant bought during 1st flash sale
Same camera blurry image issue
zaro143 said:
Mine is 128gb 6Gb variant bought during 1st flash sale
Same camera blurry image issue
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its all units
all get blurry with even the slightest nudge
I see the phone uses a 20MP sensor from Samsung.
This not a real 20MP camera...I mean, it can't be! Or it's very, VERY bad, even in natural light conditions.
The quality of selfies is way inferior to the 12MP sensor of the back camera.
The amount of details captured by it makes it look more like a 5-8MP sensor...
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I see the phone uses a 20MP sensor from Samsung.
This not a real 20MP camera...I mean, it can't be! Or it's very, VERY bad, even in natural light conditions.
The quality of selfies is way inferior to the 12MP sensor of the back camera.
The amount of details captured by it makes it look more like a 5-8MP sensor...
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Cause that Samsung lens contain 4 5mp lens
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Cause that Samsung lens contain 4 5mp lens
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Nice travesty
It's pretty good considering Huawei and Samsung selfie are overfiltered and poor quality.
This one can see your pores and pixel bins to prevent noise.
Hi look at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssw9H08ddlw
You guys are completely crazy or have fault devices. The frontal camera is absolutely amazing. My girlfriend have a XS and its there's no comparison, F1 is much better in every way. You just need to turn off Beautiful Mode and increase sharpness on Options to make things more clear. It's one of the best selfie cameras that I ever see in my life. Get out of here you guys.
But there's a issue that Xiaomi need to fix. The camera dont focus acurately subjects at 1 meter from device. If you use Selfie Group Mode, the problem is gone.
The issue is with focus which is fixed at a distance of around 50cm. Beyond that, objects get blurred.
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Xiaomi Mi 10 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Today I get it my Mi10. Im long time owener of Mi8. First look im very dissapointed. I see, that the Mi8 make better and sharper pictures like the Mi10.
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Today I get it my Mi10. Im long time owener of Mi8. First look im very dissapointed. I see, that the Mi8 make better and sharper pictures like the Mi10.
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hmm i have mi8 mi9 an mi10
an mi10 takes way better pictures than mi8 an mi9
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hmm i have mi8 mi9 an mi10
an mi10 takes way better pictures than mi8 an mi9
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I belive you. The first impression for me not so good. Tomorrow i will testing.
Its Not the full Quality but still amazing
Some cloud
Gesendet von meinem Mi 10 mit Tapatalk
108 mpx
Crop from a 108 pmx photo
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Its Not the full Quality but still amazing
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Horrible quality on the leafs and overall green balance. Way better on Mi 9(T).
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Crop from a 108 pmx photo
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Oh wow - that blurryness showcases either bad skills (no offense) or an issue with exposure - it should ever have a blurryness on daillight with OIS.
Lackluster- quite lackluster - I've seen better pictures with a Mi A2 Lite and GCam (no OIS) and both Mi 9T Stock camera.
Night photo on pro mode long exposure iso
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Horrible imagines, total lack of sharpness due to large sensor and aperture
The camera is a big shame!!! I'm soooo disappointed by the rear camera. Contrast and so on seems to be ok, but all pictures with the rear camera lack complete sharpness, it's awful. Compared to both the Nexus 5x and the Samsung Galaxy s9, which both only have 12mpx, the quality when zooming is soooo much worse on the mi10. Also photos in low light were better and brighter with the older two phones. Only when turning night mode on they get brighter but still. So the mi10 camera is unusable for me due to the horrible sharpness. Probably that's what comes from the huge aperture and sensor size, you only get a tiny area which is sharp on a photo, while 90% of the image is just blurry ****. Honestly if Xiaomi Cannot fix this issue soon I'll sell that dumb phone, it makes me more than mad on such an expensive phone!!! Also probably the low light imagines are not so good due to the high megapixel. Just very embarassing for Xiaomi to put a camera capable of making photos which are 90% blurry and complete inability to zoom in the picture as it just looks blurry when zooming only a little, each 12 Mox shooter has a much better sharpness when zoomed in the final picture compared to this phone. Even the front camera takes sharper pictures!!!!!!!
Plus there's the issue that photos often get only taken in 0.7mpx. I don't know if that's an issue of xiaomi or of Google photos, usually resizing to 16mpx but sometimes 0.7mpx. But might also be that photos are sometimes only taken in 0.7mpx of this stupid phone. And no the quality when zoomed in the final picture is equally worse in the full 25(27) and even 108mpx photos!!!
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The camera is a big shame!!! I'm soooo disappointed by the rear camera. Contrast and so on seems to be ok, but all pictures with the rear camera lack complete sharpness, it's awful. Compared to both the Nexus 5x and the Samsung Galaxy s9, which both only have 12mpx, the quality when zooming is soooo much worse on the mi10. Also photos in low light were better and brighter with the older two phones. Only when turning night mode on they get brighter but still. So the mi10 camera is unusable for me due to the horrible sharpness. Probably that's what comes from the huge aperture and sensor size, you only get a tiny area which is sharp on a photo, while 90% of the image is just blurry ****. Honestly if Xiaomi Cannot fix this issue soon I'll sell that dumb phone, it makes me more than mad on such an expensive phone!!! Also probably the low light imagines are not so good due to the high megapixel. Just very embarassing for Xiaomi to put a camera capable of making photos which are 90% blurry and complete inability to zoom in the picture as it just looks blurry when zooming only a little, each 12 Mox shooter has a much better sharpness when zoomed in the final picture compared to this phone. Even the front camera takes sharper pictures!!!!!!!
Plus there's the issue that photos often get only taken in 0.7mpx. I don't know if that's an issue of xiaomi or of Google photos, usually resizing to 16mpx but sometimes 0.7mpx. But might also be that photos are sometimes only taken in 0.7mpx of this stupid phone. And no the quality when zoomed in the final picture is equally worse in the full 25(27) and even 108mpx photos!!!
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I completely agree with you.
Is your phone defective?
1. Xiaomi Mi 10 Pro is top camera on dxomark
2. Xiaomi Mi 10 camera is the same as the Pro = Samsung Bright S5KHMX
Now check this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBUR3NvJWFc
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Is your phone defective?
1. Xiaomi Mi 10 Pro is top camera on dxomark
2. Xiaomi Mi 10 camera is the same as the Pro = Samsung Bright S5KHMX
Now check this video:
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Dxomark lol do not base camera quality on this score
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Dxomark lol do not base camera quality on this score
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Any suggestion of a better one and why is that?
kanton said:
Is your phone defective?
1. Xiaomi Mi 10 Pro is top camera on dxomark
2. Xiaomi Mi 10 camera is the same as the Pro = Samsung Bright S5KHMX
Now check this video:
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It's the same sensor yes. But a different config of lenses.
Xiaomi mi 10 and mi 10 pro is very different in the camera sektion.
Mi 10 dosent have 5x telephoto as Mi 10 pro has, for one more example.
Just check the specsheet.
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Any suggestion of a better one and why is that?
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Chinese companies are always at top of the leaderboard and are known for offering money for reviews. Why offer money for reviews when it's free?
I wouldn't trust the reviews.
donksterswag said:
Horrible imagines, total lack of sharpness due to large sensor and aperture
The camera is a big shame!!! I'm soooo disappointed by the rear camera. Contrast and so on seems to be ok, but all pictures with the rear camera lack complete sharpness, it's awful. Compared to both the Nexus 5x and the Samsung Galaxy s9, which both only have 12mpx, the quality when zooming is soooo much worse on the mi10. Also photos in low light were better and brighter with the older two phones. Only when turning night mode on they get brighter but still. So the mi10 camera is unusable for me due to the horrible sharpness. Probably that's what comes from the huge aperture and sensor size, you only get a tiny area which is sharp on a photo, while 90% of the image is just blurry ****. Honestly if Xiaomi Cannot fix this issue soon I'll sell that dumb phone, it makes me more than mad on such an expensive phone!!! Also probably the low light imagines are not so good due to the high megapixel. Just very embarassing for Xiaomi to put a camera capable of making photos which are 90% blurry and complete inability to zoom in the picture as it just looks blurry when zooming only a little, each 12 Mox shooter has a much better sharpness when zoomed in the final picture compared to this phone. Even the front camera takes sharper pictures!!!!!!!
Plus there's the issue that photos often get only taken in 0.7mpx. I don't know if that's an issue of xiaomi or of Google photos, usually resizing to 16mpx but sometimes 0.7mpx. But might also be that photos are sometimes only taken in 0.7mpx of this stupid phone. And no the quality when zoomed in the final picture is equally worse in the full 25(27) and even 108mpx photos!!!
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Brother brother install gcam and you're good to go.
P.s always use China developer rom you'll get your problems fixed i currently use miui mmx
I've no issues so far with my device
Okay, I understand (what many others don't) that although the S20+ is listed as a 3X-30X zoom, the actual optical zoom is 1.08 so the focal length of the actual lens is basically the same as the non-zoom camera. This is unlike say the S10 5G which the actual lens of the camera is 2X. However Samsung makes up for this by using a 64MP sensor. This basically results in as good or better zoom shots up to about 5X zoom than a phone with a tele-camera with a 2X or 3X optical zoom lens but only a 12MP or 16MP sensor.
This is a bit astonishing considering the number of pixels decreased by the zoom factor squared when using digital zoom. So, the lowest zoom of the tele lens on the S20+ at 3X is essentially a 7MP sensor. 3 squared is 9. 64MP divided by 9 is 7.1MP. Compared to say the S10 5G which has a 2X optical zoom and 12MP sensor. So a 3X zoom for the S10 5G is a 1.5X digital zoom of the 2X optical. 1.5 squared = 2.25. 12MP/2.25 = 5.3MP. So you can see how the S20+ can keep up with other cameras with 2X or 3X optical zoom but only 12MP sensors. It's notable though that with 2X zoom, a camera with a 12MP sensor and a 2X optical zoom has a higher resolution image than the S20+ at 2X zoom since the S20+ doesn't have an optical zoom lens.
What's more interesting is the 64MP sensor on the S20+ has a 0.8um pixel pitch which means the sensor is roughly 9,500 pixels by 7,150. So at 3X zoom the sensor output is going to be digitally cropped to around 3,160 x 2,380. However no matter what zoom resolution you use, Samsung outputs a 4032x3024 size image, basically "faking" the resolution for all images taken at anything over 1X zoom. The file size goes down as the zoom goes up even though the image resolution stays at 4032x3024 because the JPEG compression algorithm basically can see it's a fake resolution (essentially a lower resolution source image interpolated up to a higher resolution.)
I'm not sure why manufacturers do this except for only from a customer satisfaction perspective as people would be complaining why their 10X zoom images are only 950 x 715 pixels. Yes, S20+ users, that is roughly the true resolution of a 10X zoom image from your phone. But consider on a 12MP sensor with 1X optical lens, that true cropped resolution is closer to 400x300!
The bottom line is the S20+ Tele Camera is basically equivalent in resolution to a phone with a 12MP camera with a 2.5X optical zoom because it's not actually an optical zoom lens. So Samsung's advertising it as a 3X "hybrid optic zoom" isn't a total lie, but 2.5x would be closer to accurate as far as the equivalent of an optical zoom on a 12MP sensor.
In reviewing tests images, to get the best images on this camera you just want to use one of the 3 cameras without manually zooming in. If you do zoom in on the tele camera, try to not go above 5X.
And no true optical zoom = no depth compression and distorted perspectives. Portraits look like crap. Fisheye effect still there, only mitigated by the fact that only the central part of the view is kept. For real portrait you need a phone with a real 2x or 3x optical zoom lens. I should have known better before buying...
Latoc said:
And no true optical zoom = no depth compression and distorted perspectives. Portraits look like crap. Fisheye effect still there, only mitigated by the fact that only the central part of the view is kept. For real portrait you need a phone with a real 2x or 3x optical zoom lens. I should have known better before buying...
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It's especially ridiculous considering the low-end S20 FE has 3X optical (although with only an 8MP sensor). I can only think the reason was to create more of a separation between the Plus and the Ultra to better justify the higher price of the Ultra with the 3X optical + 108MP sensor. They should have just put the 2X optical on it from last year's S10 5G instead of a ridiculous 1.08X.
jazee said:
It's especially ridiculous considering the low-end S20 FE has 3X optical (although with only an 8MP sensor). I can only think the reason was to create more of a separation between the Plus and the Ultra to better justify the higher price of the Ultra with the 3X optical + 108MP sensor. They should have just put the 2X optical on it from last year's S10 5G instead of a ridiculous 1.08X.
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I think the Ultra has a straight 5x zoom, like the P40 Pro. Useless for portrait (way too much zoom), so portraits are done on the main sensor with a crop to simulate a 2x zoom !
WTF !
Latoc said:
I think the Ultra has a straight 5x zoom, like the P40 Pro. Useless for portrait (way too much zoom), so portraits are done on the main sensor with a crop to simulate a 2x zoom !
WTF !
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We're both wrong, it's a 4X optical on the Ultra. I was confusing it with the 3x "hybrid optical" zoom spec on the plus. "Hybrid Optical?" that's just another label for "Forced Digital Zoom." At least on the Plus.
jazee said:
We're both wrong, it's a 4X optical on the Ultra. I was confusing it with the 3x "hybrid optical" zoom spec on the plus. "Hybrid Optical?" that's just another label for "Forced Digital Zoom." At least on the Plus.
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Samsung is not the only one, I just got myself a Sony Xperia 5 II, thinking the 3x zoom would make nice portraits, only to find out the quality was so bad it made me want to cry (900 euros). Upon searching for answers, I found out that it too is a crop, from a 20 mpx sensor this time...
At least if you get an iphone you have true zoom... I'm tempted. But boy do I hate iOS.
AFAIKl, the zoom lenses are used when the light conditions are optimal, also have an iphone and i can assure you, it also uses crop when the scene is underlit. So you are not missing on anything. But i can say, camera's on smartphone still suck (personal opinion: i use mirrorless for photography).
sushant1thakran said:
AFAIKl, the zoom lenses are used when the light conditions are optimal, also have an iphone and i can assure you, it also uses crop when the scene is underlit. So you are not missing on anything. But i can say, camera's on smartphone still suck (personal opinion: i use mirrorless for photography).
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Yes, I have an APS-C sensor camera for when I'm *planning* to take photos of important events, on trips, etc and I don't mind carrying it around (although it is jacket pocketable because it's an APS-C platform.) The problem is, in the practical reality of life, some of the best shots are very sporadic and unplanned and most people don't carry around their DSLR with them everywhere they go all day long like a woman carries a purse. I take way more photos on my phone than my camera because I always have it with me. So why not go for the best available, within your budget.
But yes, there is a whole younger generation that wouldn't even consider buying a digital camera anymore (except if they were going into the photography profession) as the camera's on their phones are more than adequate for snap shots they are just going to post on instagram, send via MMS, add it as a wallpaper or screensaver, or include in a Blog post and *maybe* print a 5x7 of.
The reason for their decision to do this might be to enable 8K video recording as the 8K functionality uses the 48mpx sensor.
malimukk said:
The reason for their decision to do this might be to enable 8K video recording as the 8K functionality uses the 48mpx sensor.
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That explains why the Ultra has a real zoom, as it can use the 108mpx sensor for 8K...
So we lost the zoom quality for portraits of our loved ones for a gimmick which almost nobody will use...
What a shame.
Latoc said:
That explains why the Ultra has a real zoom, as it can use the 108mpx sensor for 8K...
So we lost the zoom quality for portraits of our loved ones for a gimmick which almost nobody will use...
What a shame.
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I liked samsung, when they included ir blaster, heart rate sensor and all kind of weird af stuff.
Hated it when they removed expandable storage from s6 and note 5 series but after note 7. I feel that they are less likely to take risks and try to compete with 2nd class brands like oppo and vivo which only focuses on camera for consumers. (No offense to vivo as they also spend a lot on research which include the first for indisplay fingerprint scanner and 2k screens, but they only showcase that tech on mobile world congress).
And at that time, phones used to be fun, the price was relatively affordable $600 as compared to $1200.
There are phases of popularity of features like there was phase when companies are competing on who can produce the slimmest phone. But now the phase is related to camera's, before this, it was the user experience, which made samsung to ditch the TouchWiz and come up with one ui. I was there on touchwiz for s7 edge and one ui with s8.
Also, i dont know how tech reviewers are able to get the awesome photos using auto mode.
Out of 30 pics only 3-4 are good photos.