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Hi there, I'm no new to development, but haven't played with a phone in a while.
Can someone please tell me what the disadvantages of rooting the Nexus 6p are?
My plan is to get root access only to use specific apps (eg greenify) but not to install a new ROM, i.e. I'll stay with stock.
Does this affect:
-Applicability of OTA updates from Google
-ability to use the fingerprint reader
-warranty claims
-speed/stability of the device?
Thanks in advance!
qwertyuiop89 said:
Hi there, I'm no new to development, but haven't played with a phone in a while.
Can someone please tell me what the disadvantages of rooting the Nexus 6p are?
My plan is to get root access only to use specific apps (eg greenify) but not to install a new ROM, i.e. I'll stay with stock.
Does this affect:
-Applicability of OTA updates from Google
-ability to use the fingerprint reader
-warranty claims
-speed/stability of the device?
Thanks in advance!
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-OTA are not possible when rooted. You have to flash back stock boot.img and recovery.img to accept an OTA.
-It does not interfere with Nexus Imprint (Fingerprint reader.)
-Does not affect speed or stability
-Warranty is not affected because you can flash stock imgs and relock bootloader.
You can take OTA's if you do the systemless-root. I believe you would have to flash the recovery back to stock, though.
I think you have to flash boot as well since it's modified.
the biggest disadvantage is your device become instantly awesome, so if you are used to being annoyed about the stock OS missing features this is hard to deal with
But honestly the best thing about owning a nexus is you can root and easily go back to stock if you change your mind. The flash images are also easily available for updates (even before the OTA is out). So play with it, and worst case you can always restore back to stock.
currently my only disadvantage to me is loosing android pay...
yea i know i can make it work if i delete /su/xbin... but i feel like its there for a reason and i shouldnt be deleting it.
chaco81 said:
currently my only disadvantage to me is loosing android pay...
yea i know i can make it work if i delete /su/xbin... but i feel like its there for a reason and i shouldnt be deleting it.
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Supersu 2.61 does systemless root ootb. No need to delete anything. Systemless root will just work and Android Pay will just work.
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Supersu 2.61 does systemless root ootb. No need to delete anything. Systemless root will just work and Android Pay will just work.
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i have been using systemless root since v 2.61... im using 2.66 now
and android pay didnt work, and even wont pass safetynet test
delete the /su/xbin folder and it passes safetynet and android pay works...
so yes, for me it sucks that i have delete that to make AP to work... which is why for now i am giving up AP since i dont feel comfortable deleting xbin and breaking stuff
Mine passes safetynet test and is just systemless with nothing deleted. No Android Pay in the UK to test it with though.
Not being awesome.
Not living in the exciting XDA fast lane!
Can I use Xposed with systemless root?
Thanks for the replies everyone - that was very helpful. I've gone ahead and installed three sustemless root, and installed xposed too, leaving the rom itself untouched as stock.
However, my system is disappointingly buggy. Apps keep crashing. Is this common? I thought this was supposed to be a stable/safe thing to do!
dimiboy said:
Can I use Xposed with systemless root?
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Yes mate you can works perfectly well
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
qwertyuiop89 said:
Thanks for the replies everyone - that was very helpful. I've gone ahead and installed three sustemless root, and installed xposed too, leaving the rom itself untouched as stock.
However, my system is disappointingly buggy. Apps keep crashing. Is this common? I thought this was supposed to be a stable/safe thing to do!
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lol this seems to happen when you root and install Xposed or pretty much modify anything. Usually I see a decrease in stability and battery life but an increase in performance, and you get to play with new features early.
I'm contemplating rooting just to use the new launcher.
qwertyuiop89 said:
Thanks for the replies everyone - that was very helpful. I've gone ahead and installed three sustemless root, and installed xposed too, leaving the rom itself untouched as stock.
However, my system is disappointingly buggy. Apps keep crashing. Is this common? I thought this was supposed to be a stable/safe thing to do!
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You have a couple of things going on.
First root IS as safe as you let it be. If you haven't installed any root applications it should not be any more buggy than stock.
You have installed Xposed. You have not mentioned what modules you have.
I don't have any issues you describe but I don't have a lot of modules installed.
I am stock with Xposed and root.
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After 4 1/2 years I finally killed my M8 and am having a HTC 10 with Nougat delivered tomorrow. My M8 was stock rooted with xposed and that's what I would like to do to the 10. When I set up my M8, I unlocked via HTC dev, flashed TWRP, TWRP rooted the device and then I flashed xposed. I would like to do the same to my 10 but am unsure if it's possible or how to do it. I tried googling but a lot of the results were a year old and and I'm not sure that they still apply today. Do I still unlock via HTC dev or should I use sunshine? Will TWRP still install a version of Chainfire's SuperSiu or do I need to use Magisk to root? Is xposed still possible?
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After 4 1/2 years I finally killed my M8 and am having a HTC 10 with Nougat delivered tomorrow. My M8 was stock rooted with xposed and that's what I would like to do to the 10. When I set up my M8, I unlocked via HTC dev, flashed TWRP, TWRP rooted the device and then I flashed xposed. I would like to do the same to my 10 but am unsure if it's possible or how to do it. I tried googling but a lot of the results were a year old and and I'm not sure that they still apply today. Do I still unlock via HTC dev or should I use sunshine? Will TWRP still install a version of Chainfire's SuperSiu or do I need to use Magisk to root? Is xposed still possible?
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You can still unlock via HTC Dev. S-off via Sunshine is also possible and you can leave your bootloader locked, as well. You'll need to use the latest SuperSU, as well as the latest version of TWRP. Can't comment on Magisk versus Xposed because I don't use either one.
Xposed is not possible on Nougat. What were you using it for? I use Magisk for all the mods I used to use (adblocking, YouTube background playback, etc.). Magisk is pretty cool, and Magisk's SU replaces SuperSU for all intents and purposes that I'm aware of.
If you want / need S-OFF, you'll need to pay for Sunshine. If you don't, just unlock via HTCDev, run the latest RUU if necessary (a new update just came out today), install TWRP, boot up into your home screen, install Magisk Manager, use that to download Magisk root, and go about your merry way.
I just jumped from stock (Bad Boyz) to Pure Fusion AOSP from the main HTC 10 forum, and I'm really loving being back on AOSP.
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Xposed is not possible on Nougat. What were you using it for? I use Magisk for all the mods I used to use (adblocking, YouTube background playback, etc.). Magisk is pretty cool, and Magisk's SU replaces SuperSU for all intents and purposes that I'm aware of.
If you want / need S-OFF, you'll need to pay for Sunshine. If you don't, just unlock via HTCDev, run the latest RUU if necessary (a new update just came out today), install TWRP, boot up into your home screen, install Magisk Manager, use that to download Magisk root, and go about your merry way.
I just jumped from stock (Bad Boyz) to Pure Fusion AOSP from the main HTC 10 forum, and I'm really loving being back on AOSP.
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There is Xposed for Nougat, albeit recently and it's listed as unofficial.
https://www.xda-developers.com/flashable-xposed-framework-android-nougat/
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There is Xposed for Nougat, albeit recently and it's listed as unofficial.
https://www.xda-developers.com/flashable-xposed-framework-android-nougat/
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Well how about that? I just skimmed but it looks like the original dev behind Xposed is leery of this implementation, but I don't understand all of that. I guess just the fact that it's possible will be encouraging for a lot of people.
Even so, I'm quite happy with Magisk.
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I'm using Lee's rom at the moment and have thought about the Pure Fusion one, but I keep seeing some issues with wifi and radio signal. Are you having any of these issues?
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biker57 said:
I'm using Lee's rom at the moment and have thought about the Pure Fusion one, but I keep seeing some issues with wifi and radio signal. Are you having any of these issues?
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None at all that I've noticed. I mainly use LTE but I switched to wifi for a few hours last night, no problems on my end.
Thank you all for your help, I'll hold out on magisk for a bit to see how the new xposed comes along.
me_three said:
Thank you all for your help, I'll hold out on magisk for a bit to see how the new xposed comes along.
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I haven't tried it myself but be careful, several people have told me the Sprint HTC10 has more problems being unlocked than other US versions, especially when it comes to flashing the radio to use on different carriers. Specifically I've been told trying to flash the Verizon radio will not only fail but has the potential to permanently disable your radio.
Hi everyone,
I'm tired of Lenovorola's poor update schedule and have decided to flash any of the latest (stable) custom ROM from the threads here. But before I proceed, I have few concerns.
1. This isn't my first time flashing custom ROMs but it is my first time flashing custom ROM on a phone with locked bootloader. So, my understanding is that first I unlock bootloader, flash a custom recovery & then root with Magisk, ultimately flashing a ROM. Is this the correct process?
2. Will I lose the IMEI information at any point in the process? If yes, if there any solution to circumvent it?
3. Can I use all banking apps on custom ROM without any issues?
4. Is there any other downside of doing all this that's not known commonly?
I've been meaning to get out of the "stock" firmware walled garden for a long time and I think it's time. I'd really appreciate any help you can offer in this regard.
P.s: Also suggest any ROM that in your experience is the best.
Thanks in advance!
yourSAS said:
Hi everyone,
I'm tired of Lenovorola's poor update schedule and have decided to flash any of the latest (stable) custom ROM from the threads here. But before I proceed, I have few concerns.
1. This isn't my first time flashing custom ROMs but it is my first time flashing custom ROM on a phone with locked bootloader. So, my understanding is that first I unlock bootloader, flash a custom recovery & then root with Magisk, ultimately flashing a ROM. Is this the correct process?
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For the most part yes, you don't need to root before installing a custom rom.
2. Will I lose the IMEI information at any point in the process? If yes, if there any solution to circumvent it?
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Normally no, it's very rare for IMEI issues.
3. Can I use all banking apps on custom ROM without any issues?
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Depends on the requirements of the banking apps, I've never had any issues with banking apps.
4. Is there any other downside of doing all this that's not known commonly?
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There always some issues with a small % of users and rooting/custom roms.
I've been meaning to get out of the "stock" firmware walled garden for a long time and I think it's time. I'd really appreciate any help you can offer in this regard.
P.s: Also suggest any ROM that in your experience is the best.
Thanks in advance!
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Lineage OS is a good rom to start with, but every rom has it's pros/cons.
I suggest trying a few to see what you like.
First thing after TWRP is installed. Make a backup of your EFS and keep it somewhere safe. Just in case.
Like @Randumb_User said do a backup of the EFS partition (or do a full backup - that's what I would do).
I tried several customs - Nougat and Oreo. In most cases battery life wasn't nearly as good as the StockROM.
If you want to play it safe use one of the TWRP flashable ones. If you want to be up to date I would suggest FrankenROM (best use v12.5, 13 has a minor issue with the recent apps list) - stable, fast, very good battery life (1,5d is no problem).
But hey - it's also a matter of taste ....
yourSAS said:
Hi everyone,
I'm tired of Lenovorola's poor update schedule and have decided to flash any of the latest (stable) custom ROM from the threads here. But before I proceed, I have few concerns.
1. This isn't my first time flashing custom ROMs but it is my first time flashing custom ROM on a phone with locked bootloader. So, my understanding is that first I unlock bootloader, flash a custom recovery & then root with Magisk, ultimately flashing a ROM. Is this the correct process?
2. Will I lose the IMEI information at any point in the process? If yes, if there any solution to circumvent it?
3. Can I use all banking apps on custom ROM without any issues?
4. Is there any other downside of doing all this that's not known commonly?
I've been meaning to get out of the "stock" firmware walled garden for a long time and I think it's time. I'd really appreciate any help you can offer in this regard.
P.s: Also suggest any ROM that in your experience is the best.
Thanks in advance!
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Looks like I get to answer my own queries.(I've flashed custom ROM)
1. Yes, the process is indeed the same, except you'll have to flash no-verity patch first in recovery before doing anything else.
2. No (at least, in my case)
3. Most of them work (if they don't, use Magisk hide). The only exception so far is Tez, which doesn't work.
4. Nothing that really matters. Custom ROM will offer mostly stable experience and some minor hiccups
I've tried only Xtended ROM so far and mentioned feedback on its thread.
I'll update on this thread if I've anything to add
Update: You'll get to use modded Google Camera with Oreo based ROMs/stock firmware with root - which makes a HUGE difference in photo quality. So, totally worth unlocking the phone.
Read in another thread (think it was baout CarbonROM) that TEZ works when you login/authenticate or what ever before you install Magisk.
TGHH said:
Read in another thread (think it was baout CarbonROM) that TEZ works when you login/authenticate or what ever before you install Magisk.
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I've uninstalled Magisk and tried but it's not working :/
yourSAS said:
I've uninstalled Magisk and tried but it's not working :/
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Not sure if uninstall Magisk is enough. Maybe you need to verify TEZ right after flashing and then install Magisk. Maybe contact the member who posted the work around in the post I linked. Good luck!
yourSAS said:
Looks like I get to answer my own queries.(I've flashed custom ROM)
1. Yes, the process is indeed the same, except you'll have to flash no-verity patch first in recovery before doing anything else.
2. No (at least, in my case)
3. Most of them work (if they don't, use Magisk hide). The only exception so far is Tez, which doesn't work.
4. Nothing that really matters. Custom ROM will offer mostly stable experience and some minor hiccups
I've tried only Xtended ROM so far and mentioned feedback on its thread.
I'll update on this thread if I've anything to add
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is your rom pass safetynet?
if its pass try clear data on tez then use magisk hide it will hide root for tez so u can use tez
dhinesh_cool said:
is your rom pass safetynet?
if its pass try clear data on tez then use magisk hide it will hide root for tez so u can use tez
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I've tried this already. Didn't help.
yourSAS said:
I've tried this already. Didn't help.
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You could try enabling magisk hide and then revoke the phone permission for google play services.
kishorv06 said:
You could try enabling magisk hide and then revoke the phone permission for google play services.
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Thank you. I used this trick (hiding telephony permission) along with all other restrictions like Magisk hide. It worked.
When you go back to stock ROM do not use the fastboot erase modemtest commands because it will erase the imei just those two commands omitted-
RubenPCA said:
When you go back to stock ROM do not use the fastboot erase modemtest commands because it will erase the imei just those two commands omitted-
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I don't know if I'll be going back to stock ROM because Oreo ROM is that good. Thanks for the heads up though.
yourSAS said:
Thank you. I used this trick (hiding telephony permission) along with all other restrictions like Magisk hide. It worked.
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Happy to hear that.
I've seen many posts about people losing their imei and volte with no permanent solution. Should i unlock my bootloader and install custom roms on my g5 plus? It's there any chance i might lose my imei or 4g?
spandy992 said:
I've seen many posts about people losing their imei and volte with no permanent solution. Should i unlock my bootloader and install custom roms on my g5 plus? It's there any chance i might lose my imei or 4g?
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I didn't lose IMEI. I followed the process mentioned in the OP
spandy992 said:
I've seen many posts about people losing their imei and volte with no permanent solution. Should i unlock my bootloader and install custom roms on my g5 plus? It's there any chance i might lose my imei or 4g?
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Backup your efs partition if u lost volte it will help
Hi,
Phone: Moto G4 Plus(32GB)
TWRP + Magisk + Xposed + Elementalx : Is this a gud idea?
Is Magisk Hide effective enough to use Banking apps in rooted phones?
Whats safetynet exactly. What does it mean that its pass?
Its expected that Moto G4 Plus will get Oreo Update.
Will the Update be available if device is rooted with Magisk?
Is there a blog that any body has used to do this on their Moto G4 plus and has successfully worked with everything working without any issues?
can you give me the link to that step by step blog/forum which you used?
There were too many blogs/forums about this and there is a reply in each one them saying that their phone is bricked now. Dont want to take that risk.
Does anybody have a perfect/absolutely amazing blog with step by step guide.
This is my primary phone.
Your help will be much appreciated.
eighty9sid said:
TWRP + Magisk + Xposed + Elementalx : Is this a gud idea?
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Not good idea,
Correct order,
TWRP > Custom kernel > Magisk . (Done.)
Don't flash Xposed if you want to use banking apps, it will break safetynet.
Is Magisk Hide effective enough to use Banking apps in rooted phones?
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Personally, i don't use banking apps, but Magisk Hide works fine on other similar apps. So, it will be fine there..
Whats safetynet exactly. What does it mean that its pass?
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Safetynet is term that is related to safety,
If your device passes safetynet then it's secure, banking apps and others will work fine,
But if safetynet fails, then your device is unsecured, banking and related apps may not work..
Its expected that Moto G4 Plus will get Oreo Update.
Will the Update be available if device is rooted with Magisk?
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Even Lenovo/Motorola don't know when OREO will be there for Moto G4 Plus. No other comments
EDIT: If update available in future, you will have to be on stock unmodified ROM, that meams it will fail if magisk or any mod installed..
can you give me the link to that step by step blog/forum which you used?
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Check Guides section for Unlocking and flashing TWRP,
And follow LATEST guide for rooting (older thread/information for rooting can brick your device)
And if you are finding XPOSED + Safetynet Pass + Banking apps, then not possible..
Hello there,
I too am using Moto G4 32GB Dual SIM (XT1643) as a daily driver and I am using a Custom ROM i.e. HAVOC which is an Android 8.1.0 Oreo based ROM. I am using Magisk and TWRP and banking apps like SBI anywhere, Kotak App are working flawlessly. I have not tested Google Tez though.
Even when I had the stock ROM, I rooted it using Magisk and Installed ElementalX Kernel via TWRP. I followed steps from XDA itself, used this link:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g4-plus/themes/g4-g4-plus-how-to-install-magisk-pass-t3551896
And as per your question on SafetyNet, it is basically a security check for android developers so that they can verify that the phone is not rigged or rooted or modified. In order for every developer to write their own code to go through various checks to check the integrity of the phone, google provided SafetyNet an easy to implement feature for developers. For more on SafetyNet, visit this website.:
https://www.nowsecure.com/blog/2017/08/03/android-apps-google-safetynet-attestation-api/
And as far as Magisk is concerned, I personally prefer Magisk over any other rooting solution, there are more than one reasons for that. Mainly I that I play Pokemon Go, so Magisk does it's job very well hiding my device status from Pokemon Go.
For difference between Magisk and SuperSu, here is the link:
https://www.xda-developers.com/magisk-vs-supersu/
You can install OTA updates with MAGISK easily, just need to install STOCK kernel and Uninstall Magisk.
I've never used XPOSED on my device, so I cannot help you with that.
And you may know this already, but I will tell you just in case you don't, In order to root your phone or install custom recovery, you need to unlock bootloader and then install custom recovery like TWRP.
To unlock your bootloader, visit:
Motorola - Unlock Bootloader
And Finally, I hope you know what you're doing. Follow the steps carefully and always read comments and user reviews before doing anything at all.
Happy Rooting
Maybe Wait till OREO OTA comes
I asked this because these two links kind of suggested that it was possible.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nexus5x/comments/5wdb27/does_elementalx_kernel_break_safety_net/
https://www.xda-developers.com/systemless-xposed-android-oreo-available-pass-safetynet/
I may be wrong.
Maybe i should wait for Oreo OTA to come and then decide.
Magisk Xposed is not working, I tried both the version of Xposed but phone doesn't boot at all. So in short, Root with Magisk + banking apps is possible, but root with Magisk+Xposed (even Magisk xposed)+banking apps is not possible as of now.
I tried Sandhook and Yahfa, both are not working.
V20 990DS I add one user Account no problems when trying to add a third one the add is greyed out. Is there a workaround to allow more user accounts?
Ok looks like I have to work out how to root then unroot after.
Ok further looking and no root option for 990DS Oreo even then this model seems difficult and risky to root. Annoying how they put a artificial limit in.
ian.spencer said:
Ok looks like I have to work out how to root then unroot after.
Ok further looking and no root option for 990DS Oreo even then this model seems difficult and risky to root. Annoying how they put a artificial limit in.
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There is root, just do upto the twrp he twrp flash step using dirty santa root method, then flash latest twrp again and flash rooted oreo and mk kernel.
Do you have a link as it seems the only instructions say you have to downgrade to early version of Android N. This also sound like I will end up with a rooted phone. Yes I've spent many hours reading and looking into this but it seems you have to understand a lot of info not included in the tutorial. I've rooted older Samsung phones in the past but the instructions were clear and it was easier in Android 4. Some apps just don't like rooted phones so I don't want that. Thanks.
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Do you have a link as it seems the only instructions say you have to downgrade to early version of Android N. This also sound like I will end up with a rooted phone. Yes I've spent many hours reading and looking into this but it seems you have to understand a lot of info not included in the tutorial. I've rooted older Samsung phones in the past but the instructions were clear and it was easier in Android 4. Some apps just don't like rooted phones so I don't want that. Thanks.
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You do have to be rooted to edit build.prop, however with magisk you can hide the fact that the phone is rooted from almost all apps (configurable in magisk manager).