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This is the 4th time I've opened my task manager today and realized I was using over a gig. It easy to use over a gig when its there
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a phone OS using more ram than Vista??? not a good sign. God where are the AOSP roms already :crying:
Kernel knows it has more memory available so apps are more likely to stay in their suspended state, rather than removed from memory.
But I enjoy the 2GB of ram for sure.
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a phone OS using more ram than Vista??? not a good sign. God where are the AOSP roms already :crying:
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Using RAM is not bad; needing RAM is bad. Android 4.0 can easily run with less than 400 MB, but some things can be a little faster when they don't have to constantly reload.
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Kernel knows it has more memory available so apps are more likely to stay in their suspended state, rather than removed from memory.
But I enjoy the 2GB of ram for sure.
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This. Everything switches back instantly!!
One of the most frustrating parts of the HTC OneX for me was when i was reading a long page of comments on sites like the verge or typing up a forum post. If i left the browser to reply to a text or facebook notification, and then returned to the browser it would always reload a page, and at the top.
Even the (heavy) Sense 4 launcher would have to load up every now and then.
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Using RAM is not bad; needing RAM is bad. Android 4.0 can easily run with less than 400 MB, but some things can be a little faster when they don't have to constantly reload.
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i wasn't making fun of android, i was making fun of touchwiz. too much bloat.
If the RAM will mean Nova Launcher wont reload itself as much as it currently does on my Incredible, then that's reason enough for me.
Having had the 1X for a month the 2 gb ram was one of the reasons I switched.
The 2GB of ram (and LTE) has been excessively downplayed by the International crowd because..well..they don't have it. The fact is the 2GB of ram should allow a stock phone to reload things much less. If you want to look forward 6 months to a year, I think the difference will be potentially much larger when we start to see creative devs tweaking their kernels to really use this extra ram. This is a ground breaking hardware move. We haven't even really begun to see what is possible. Judging any of these based on stock software at release is pointless. Think about how much better other phones have gotten after a few OTA updates....this device, especially with the extra ram is really well equipped for a long time.
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The 2GB of ram (and LTE) has been excessively downplayed by the International crowd because..well..they don't have it. The fact is the 2GB of ram should allow a stock phone to reload things much less. If you want to look forward 6 months to a year, I think the difference will be potentially much larger when we start to see creative devs tweaking their kernels to really use this extra ram. This is a ground breaking hardware move. We haven't even really begun to see what is possible. Judging any of these based on stock software at release is pointless. Think about how much better other phones have gotten after a few OTA updates....this device, especially with the extra ram is really well equipped for a long time.
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By the time any phone will actually use 2gb of ram, im sure most of us will have moved on to a new phone already. Of course having the extra ram is good for bragging rights, but does it actually mean anything? I'll say no, but im sure some will argue that.
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By the time any phone will actually use 2gb of ram, im sure most of us will have moved on to a new phone already. Of course having the extra ram is good for bragging rights, but does it actually mean anything? I'll say no, but im sure some will argue that.
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they already make use of 1.1-1.2GB of ram out of the box running all stock software.......imagine if custom roms/kernels were available that make use of it....it's not far off....."by the time any phone will use" is closer than you think
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they already make use of 1.1-1.2GB of ram out of the box running all stock software.......imagine if custom roms/kernels were available that make use of it....it's not far off....."by the time any phone will use" is closer than you think
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This is good in theory but everyone on here is talking like we have been missing two gigs all this time in our phones. If you are coming to the S3 from a single core phone of course this is night and day. My SGSII has NEVER.....I repeat NEVER run out of memory lost track multitasking or had to close out multiple apps to make room for more.....how many apps does one need sitting in a suspended state?.....I have 5 or 6 apps open at any given time with PLENTY of room for more...sure the extra ram is nice to have, but its completely unnecessary ....dual cores with a gig of ram have NO problem doing heavy multitasking .....ask anyone running as SGSII or Gnex.
The extra ram in the S3 is there to offset the loss of quadcore....its a nice helping hand to the Krait chip but not necessary for everyday multitasking that the average person does.....I don't know what phones alot of you guys are coming from but from the sounds of these posts they were serious under achievers.
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This is good in theory but everyone on here is talking like we have been missing two gigs all this time in our phones. If you are coming to the S3 from a single core phone of course this is night and day. My SGSII has NEVER.....I repeat NEVER run out of memory lost track multitasking or had to close out multiple apps to make room for more.....how many apps does one need sitting in a suspended state?.....I have 5 or 6 apps open at any given time with PLENTY of room for more...sure the extra ram is nice to have, but its completely unnecessary ....dual cores with a gig of ram have NO problem doing heavy multitasking .....ask anyone running as SGSII or Gnex.
The extra ram in the S3 is there to offset the loss of quadcore....its a nice helping hand to the Krait chip but not necessary for everyday multitasking that the average person does.....I don't know what phones alot of you guys are coming from but from the sounds of these posts they were serious under achievers.
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i think the reason you never saw your device running out of room is likely because the system knew how much memory it had to work with and was always adjusting things to accommodate as much memory....if the system had more memory available to it it can behave differently....it's not about "how many apps one needs in a suspended state", it's about "the more apps you can keep in a suspended state the quicker the apps will run for the user"
i know this isn't x86 and it's not windows, but the analogy still stands, consider Windows 7
if you build a pc using it with 2Gb of ram it will run just fine, it will use somewhere around 1Gb of ram sitting idle, using it for the prefetch cache to be ready to launch your most used apps while maintaining a safe amount of memory for sudden useage/overhead
if you upgrade that same pc to 4Gb of ram, it will use close to 2Gb at idle.....it's not quite linear as that but you can see a direct correlation between available memory and memory utilization
the Linux kernel behind android appears to work very similarly, it will keep the most called upon code in local memory so that it launches faster when next called upon. the more memory available to the kernel, the less time it can spend killing apps in order to maintain that same level of free memory for the unexpected execution of a new app
the more memory it has, if it is written/compiled to take advantage of it, the more potential for performance is there.
I would say the 2Gb of memory is more easily utilized than the additional redundant cores in the Exynos kit. I have been looking for some real data on Android and SMP but I know recently Intel made a rare public statement about how it is not ready for even dual core utilization. I don't think Intel would make such a specific claim without data. I don't think the Exynos users are really getting much good at all from the four cores other than synthetic benchmark scores and I think they could see more benefits down the road from more memory than redundant A9 older technology additional cores.
disclaimer: I am still learning about all this so if some smart guy comes along and sees something above that is not quite right....it's not because I am making this up....it's what I understand to be true based on reading.
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i think the reason you never saw your device running out of room is likely because the system knew how much memory it had to work with and was always adjusting things to accommodate as much memory....if the system had more memory available to it it can behave differently....it's not about "how many apps one needs in a suspended state", it's about "the more apps you can keep in a suspended state the quicker the apps will run for the user"
i know this isn't x86 and it's not windows, but the analogy still stands, consider Windows 7
if you build a pc using it with 2Gb of ram it will run just fine, it will use somewhere around 1Gb of ram sitting idle, using it for the prefetch cache to be ready to launch your most used apps while maintaining a safe amount of memory for sudden useage/overhead
if you upgrade that same pc to 4Gb of ram, it will use close to 2Gb at idle.....it's not quite linear as that but you can see a direct correlation between available memory and memory utilization
the Linux kernel behind android appears to work very similarly, it will keep the most called upon code in local memory so that it launches faster when next called upon. the more memory available to the kernel, the less time it can spend killing apps in order to maintain that same level of free memory for the unexpected execution of a new app
the more memory it has, if it is written/compiled to take advantage of it, the more potential for performance is there.
I would say the 2Gb of memory is more easily utilized than the additional redundant cores in the Exynos kit. I have been looking for some real data on Android and SMP but I know recently Intel made a rare public statement about how it is not ready for even dual core utilization. I don't think Intel would make such a specific claim without data. I don't think the Exynos users are really getting much good at all from the four cores other than synthetic benchmark scores and I think they could see more benefits down the road from more memory than redundant A9 older technology additional cores.
disclaimer: I am still learning about all this so if some smart guy comes along and sees something above that is not quite right....it's not because I am making this up....it's what I understand to be true based on reading.
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You are pretty spot on for the most part....but the difference here lies in the amount of ram needed to cache applications and perform extended tasks.....the reason my GSII never runs out of memory is because it has plenty for any array of tasks. While caching 8 applications I use all day...and still have anywhere from 325 to 400 megs available for any other array tasks .....I just can't see where I would need more.
As for your earlier mention of custom roms.....this becomes even less necessary ....right now a stock GS3 is using over a gig.....that's because its loaded chock full O'carrier BS on top of all samsungs layers of bloat and BS "features"....you strip all that crap out and you have a 275mb OS and more ram than you will know what to do with.
Bloat is the only thing requiring this extra ram because its running at system level which is also why Sense stuffed a dagger in the H1X.
Performance for launching is helped greatly by the processor for anything not in ram and the threshold for my phone is 64mb....which means my phone will not start killing of apps until that's met.....I could not seem to hit it just messing around.
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You are pretty spot on for the most part....but the difference here lies in the amount of ram needed to cache applications and perform extended tasks.....the reason my GSII never runs out of memory is because it has plenty for any array of tasks. While caching 8 applications I use all day...and still have anywhere from 325 to 400 megs available for any other array tasks .....I just can't see where I would need more.
As for your earlier mention of custom roms.....this becomes even less necessary ....right now a stock GS3 is using over a gig.....that's because its loaded chock full O'carrier BS on top of all samsungs layers of bloat and BS "features"....you strip all that crap out and you have a 275mb OS and more ram than you will know what to do with.
Bloat is the only thing requiring this extra ram because its running at system level which is also why Sense stuffed a dagger in the H1X.
Performance for launching is helped greatly by the processor for anything not in ram and the threshold for my phone is 64mb....which means my phone will not start killing of apps until that's met.....I could not seem to hit it just messing around.
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right on, yeah i agree it's overkill right now. I just think within the next two years, we will easily see multiple areas where having more is better than having less. I am thinking way outside the box but I am seeing visions of custom kernels that are doing some extreme caching, even running a VM type environment.....actually I am thinking of running Android and perhaps there will be an opportunity to run Windows RT or some desktop version of Linux simultaneously......something a device with even four cores and 1GB of ram would have a hard time doing.....and that's not to say it would run well on the S4 US version either, but it is certainly more suited for it
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right on, yeah i agree it's overkill right now. I just think within the next two years, we will easily see multiple areas where having more is better than having less. I am thinking way outside the box but I am seeing visions of custom kernels that are doing some extreme caching, even running a VM type environment.....actually I am thinking of running Android and perhaps there will be an opportunity to run Windows RT or some desktop version of Linux simultaneously......something a device with even four cores and 1GB of ram would have a hard time doing.....and that's not to say it would run well on the S4 US version either, but it is certainly more suited for it
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I like the way you think
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You are pretty spot on for the most part....but the difference here lies in the amount of ram needed to cache applications and perform extended tasks.....the reason my GSII never runs out of memory is because it has plenty for any array of tasks. While caching 8 applications I use all day...and still have anywhere from 325 to 400 megs available for any other array tasks .....I just can't see where I would need more.
As for your earlier mention of custom roms.....this becomes even less necessary ....right now a stock GS3 is using over a gig.....that's because its loaded chock full O'carrier BS on top of all samsungs layers of bloat and BS "features"....you strip all that crap out and you have a 275mb OS and more ram than you will know what to do with.
Bloat is the only thing requiring this extra ram because its running at system level which is also why Sense stuffed a dagger in the H1X.
Performance for launching is helped greatly by the processor for anything not in ram and the threshold for my phone is 64mb....which means my phone will not start killing of apps until that's met.....I could not seem to hit it just messing around.
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You are partially right. My sensation xl and my friends galaxy note works multitask pretty well with just 768mb and 1GB ram. But that was on Gingerbread. Once we upgraded to ICS multitasking suffers tremendously. He even blamed me for persuading him to do the update. For GB 1GB is enough. For ICS 1GB is not enough if you want the best multitasking experience.
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You are partially right. My sensation xl and my friends galaxy note works multitask pretty well with just 768mb and 1GB ram. But that was on Gingerbread. Once we upgraded to ICS multitasking suffers tremendously. He even blamed me for persuading him to do the update. For GB 1GB is enough. For ICS 1GB is not enough if you want the best multitasking experience.
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I have to blame both device and OS....I am running ICS on my GS2 and have not even seen the slightest difference.....although my battery is just slightly worse.
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For GB 1GB is enough. For ICS 1GB is not enough if you want the best multitasking experience.
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You must be running some early leeks cause some of my phones like the GS2 and the evo 3d are running ICS flawlessly.
Turns out Lenovo thought it would be a great idea to use 32bit for any reason.
realy? yet still this question?
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Turns out Lenovo thought it would be a great idea to use 32bit for any reason.
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Wrong area to post this. 64 bit? Get a nexus.
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Why is this so absurd to consider? The device have a 64 bit CPU.
Why not use 64bit Android.
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Why is this so absurd to consider? The device have a 64 bit CPU.
Why not use 64bit Android.
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If you had searched for a little bit, you would have found that the answer was already made many times and answered in detail.
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Why is this so absurd to consider? The device have a 64 bit CPU.
Why not use 64bit Android.
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Because there's effectively no point. The SD617 has a 32-bit width data bus- a 64-bit ROM would actually yield less performance.
Why do you want a 64-bit ROM anyway? There's absolutely nothing 32-bit Android has to offer over 64-bit Android absurdly high RAM amounts (which you'll never find in a budget phone).
Some software I wanna use is 64bit only.
And what would be "absurdly high"?
Because from what I know the advised ram for 64bit is 4gb.
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Some software I wanna use is 64bit only.
And what would be "absurdly high"?
Because from what I know the advised ram for 64bit is 4gb.
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No use of 64 bit unless RAM > 4 GB. Beyond 4GB is the point where 64 bit arch starts.
Moreover does moto even release 64 bit source? I heard something similar in the potter forum.
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No use of 64 bit unless RAM > 4 GB. Beyond 4GB is the point where 64 bit arch starts.
Moreover does moto even release 64 bit source? I heard something similar in the potter forum.
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Actually 3.7gb (give it or take) is the limit of 32bit.
So any value over that is valid for 64bit
And to be fair the minimum ram for 64bit would be 2gb.
They say 4gb because is where it matters most.
Since 32 can only deal with 4gb.
1 for kernel and 3 for application.
RAM consumption is huge on 64 bits system, take a look to the Nexus 5X... For an Android device running a 64 bits system you need at least 3 GB of RAM, and also, why do you want a 64 bits system if a 32 bits system offers better performance? The 64 bits system just has new type of instructions that are only for more complex calculations that not even the average user will use
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And to be fair the minimum ram for 64bit would be 2gb.
They say 4gb because is where it matters most.
Since 32 can only deal with 4gb.
1 for kernel and 3 for application.
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What software do you need to run on Android that requires 64-bit?
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Wrong place to post
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Oh, I'm deeply sorry, it sounded appropriate to post under its own device category.
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RAM consumption is huge on 64 bits system, take a look to the Nexus 5X... For an Android device running a 64 bits system you need at least 3 GB of RAM, and also, why do you want a 64 bits system if a 32 bits system offers better performance? The 64 bits system just has new type of instructions that are only for more complex calculations that not even the average user will use
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I need it to run 64bit only software.
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What software do you need to run on Android that requires 64-bit?
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Dolphin
Nintendo GameCube / Wii Emulator
Thread cleaned of rather sad tripe.
Keep it civil please...
LenAsh said:
Thread cleaned of rather sad tripe.
Keep it civil please...
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Thanks !
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Dolphin
Nintendo GameCube / Wii Emulator
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In all seriousness, even if a 64-bit ROM were ported to the G4 the SD617 inside would struggle heavily.
You need at least an SD801 to run Dolphin anywhere near smoothly.
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In all seriousness, even if a 64-bit ROM were ported to the G4 the SD617 inside would struggle heavily.
You need at least an SD801 to run Dolphin anywhere near smoothly.
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Hm I see.
Well, I've figured since it was to run some 2D title I would do fine.
Since I don't have a very powerful computer either (dual core i3 3217u) and it run said title at 60fps where other 3D games won't pass 10fps.
But that's expected I guess, I think it's time to move on.
I wonder if the Moto Z is 64bit since it is SD820
Didn't yu yureka have a 64 bit is?
Hey guys,
I wanted to ask if there is a benefit in having 8gb of ram instead of 6? Is it even possible to use that much on a phone?
All I've read till now was that developers could fill it with something but I can't think of anything. So I'm just asking out of curiosity.
I don't want a comparison of the 6 and 8 gig RAM versions of the OP5. It's really just about the 8gigs of RAM.
Thanks in advance
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Hey guys,
I wanted to ask if there is a benefit in having 8gb of ram instead of 6? Is it even possible to use that much on a phone?
All I've read till now was that developers could fill it with something but I can't think of anything. So I'm just asking out of curiosity.
I don't want a comparison of the 6 and 8 gig RAM versions of the OP5. It's really just about the 8gigs of RAM.
Thanks in advance
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OP5 is so far one of the fastest phone you can ever get. You can't make it lag. I hope I answer even a slight part of your question.
I don't think the phone being fast is related to the amount of RAM.
Apps will eventually start consuming more resources and 8GB RAM will become a necessity in the future.
You can survive with 2 too, but 4 seems to be the standard now; next year 6 and in about 2-3 years 8.
Just depends on how well the phone can manage its own memory. But by default some stuff like mobile games take a lot of ram. Upwards to 400-600mbs of ram for just one app. Maybe just cut down on those or just accept that your device cannot keep everything in memory. Its ok to reload apps that are insanely big.
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OP5 is so far one of the fastest phone you can ever get. You can't make it lag. I hope I answer even a slight part of your question.
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Like I had already mentioned. It wasn't about the phone.
I do have an OP5 myself ^^
It was really just about the huge amount of RAM
But thanks for your answer anyway ^^
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I don't think the phone being fast is related to the amount of RAM.
Apps will eventually start consuming more resources and 8GB RAM will become a necessity in the future.
You can survive with 2 too, but 4 seems to be the standard now; next year 6 and in about 2-3 years 8.
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I've heard that there are minimal difference between the two versions of the phone.
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I've heard that there are minimal difference between the two versions of the phone.
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RAM is the only difference. Multitasking is better on the 8GB model though.
you phone will suffer from low cpu speed before ''needing'' 8gb of ram for 1 single operation.
Having multiple app running in the background makes the experience more fun, but the phone loads app fast enough anyway.
In fact, I'm using greenify, so no need of 8gb.
And a lot of cell phone user will change their phone before it will come slow, or really need 8gb. see pixel2 thread, a lot of people thinking about changing to pixel, what a waste...
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Like I had already mentioned. It wasn't about the phone.
I do have an OP5 myself ^^
It was really just about the huge amount of RAM
But thanks for your answer anyway ^^
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more RAM = less loading.
this saves you time because the app stays loaded in RAM (no processing). this saves battery because the processor isn't having to work every time you open it. with 8GB, i almost never close apps.
It is easy to say that the more RAM you have, more the OS will use it, and this will make it more dynamic, therefore faster. But I think this is not perceptible for the user.
I have a 8 GB version and the device gets 5GB RAM to boot up... this would not happen in a 4GB RAM of course but this extra RAM usage do not reflect to more speed in a way you can see it...
The RAM management is more affected actually by the SO itself. I never use more than 7.5 GB RAM but my games never stay in memory for more than a day. I think OOS shuts them down after 24 hours not being used.....
This is a much more technical perception of how the device handle 8GB. I think its more a future proof quality then a advantage in todays processing.
It seems ever since 64bit roms were possible for Athene, all maintainers are only building 64bit Oreo roms, rather than 32bit. But what is the real benefit of this? From what I've noticed, 64bit roms have more issues than 32bit roms. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the info I've gathered:
32bit rom bugs:
Camera
Torch
64bit ROM bugs:
Camera
Torch
GPS
System UI lags
Video recording
Not to mention 64bit roms have more ram consumption, which isn't good for those who have the 2GB version of Athene.
I think maintainers should continue building 32bit versions of their roms along with 64bit to give users more options. Just a thought.
There is absolutely no reason why a 64 bit Android should be on our devices. Will not add any performance, the memory is max 4GB (3.6GB available with 32 bit), 64 bit native apps take more space in memory, CPU is not fully equipped for 64 bit OS (32 bit memory bus)...
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It seems ever since 64bit roms were possible for Athene, all maintainers are only building 64bit Oreo roms, rather than 32bit. But what is the real benefit of this? From what I've noticed, 64bit roms have more issues than 32bit roms. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the info I've gathered:
32bit rom bugs:
Camera
Torch
64bit ROM bugs:
Camera
Torch
GPS
System UI lags
Video recording
Not to mention 64bit roms have more ram consumption, which isn't good for those who have the 2GB version of Athene.
I think maintainers should continue building 32bit versions of their roms along with 64bit to give users more options. Just a thought.
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The point is: most maintains uses one device tree for 64bit which will be developed.(correct me if I'm wrong).
So if the 32bit source won't be developed, you must switch to the other one.
ok, but 64bits mainteners are on the same stage: no progress.
lot of 64bits roms are compiled without any debugging.
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ok, but 64bits mainteners are on the same stage: no progress.
lot of 64bits roms are compiled without any debugging.
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That's what I wrote: they use the same device tree/source hence the bugs are present on nearly all 8.1 builds and. You need to fix the camera issues in the device source not the rom source as its a problem of not available drivers and you need to shim it.
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SoNic67 said:
There is absolutely no reason why a 64 bit Android should be on our devices. Will not add any performance, the memory is max 4GB (3.6GB available with 32 bit), 64 bit native apps take more space in memory, CPU is not fully equipped for 64 bit OS (32 bit memory bus)...
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People demand it permanently, that's the real reason for it.
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People demand it permanently, that's the real reason for it.
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This is the most vital reason. If perfected you get portrait mode which most people will be crazy about
64 (bit) is double the value of 32 (bit), so it must be far better, faster, sexier, whatever... :silly:
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64 (bit) is double the value of 32 (bit), so it must be far better, faster, sexier, whatever... :silly:
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Yeah another reason.... Like Megapixel in case of quality....
You can use marshmallow. Bug free, 32 bit, torch works.
32bit was rather good since the only plus i see is Google camera which i don't really care. Bugs could be fixed on 64bit which isn't a issue. But the thing is 32BIT is dying, all oems are going through the trend of 64bit and the support for 32bit is slowly dead.
64bit is the way to go.
Orelse you guys should be on Nougat.
Just because marketing wise it's successful, it doesn't mean it will be better.
Especially when Moto doesn't develop 64 bit drivers.
But yes, stupidity always wins in the end because it's unrelenting.
That's because the ROM "builders" are not technically aware imho or maybe they just want to ignore the facts.
Fact is, this device houses a 32 bit bus. Busses are responsible for transferring data signals. When you are using a 32 bit system, the data is transported in one go but in the case of 64 bit roms, the data has to be transported in 2 turns ie the latency gets doubled. More the latency, lesser responsive your system. Yes you can reduce the latency by overclocking the bus, but doing that can only get you max to max 10% efficiency, overall the system is still lagging by 40%. This might not be noticeable on 3gb+ variants because of the obvious reasons but it gets pretty evident in the versions having 2gb ram.
We cannot get over this hardware limitation no matter what. It would be utterly stupid to shift to 64 bit roms for this device. A 32bit ROM should outperform any 64bit ROM easily. That's just my 2 cents tho, I would any day prefer a 32 bit ROM over any other.
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That's because the ROM "builders" are not technically aware imho or maybe they just want to ignore the facts.
Fact is, this device houses a 32 bit bus. Busses are responsible for transferring data signals. When you are using a 32 bit system, the data is transported in one go but in the case of 64 bit roms, the data has to be transported in 2 turns ie the latency gets doubled. More the latency, lesser responsive your system. Yes you can reduce the latency by overclocking the bus, but doing that can only get you max to max 10% efficiency, overall the system is still lagging by 40%. This might not be noticeable on 3gb+ variants because of the obvious reasons but it gets pretty evident in the versions having 2gb ram.
We cannot get over this hardware limitation no matter what. It would be utterly stupid to shift to 64 bit roms for this device. A 32bit ROM should outperform any 64bit ROM easily. That's just my 2 cents tho, I would any day prefer a 32 bit ROM over any other.
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Well hopefully most of the maintainers for our device read this, and then stop building 64bit ROMs. You've confirmed my suspicion that it's basically pointless.
Frostbite said:
You can use marshmallow. Bug free, 32 bit, torch works.
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If there were security patches for it, I would love to do for sure!
You guys remember that discussion https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g4-plus/help/64bit-roms-t3634876 now it's known that there's no real benefit and more problems with 64bit :silly:
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That's because the ROM "builders" are not technically aware imho or maybe they just want to ignore the facts.
Fact is, this device houses a 32 bit bus. Busses are responsible for transferring data signals. When you are using a 32 bit system, the data is transported in one go but in the case of 64 bit roms, the data has to be transported in 2 turns ie the latency gets doubled. More the latency, lesser responsive your system. Yes you can reduce the latency by overclocking the bus, but doing that can only get you max to max 10% efficiency, overall the system is still lagging by 40%. This might not be noticeable on 3gb+ variants because of the obvious reasons but it gets pretty evident in the versions having 2gb ram.
We cannot get over this hardware limitation no matter what. It would be utterly stupid to shift to 64 bit roms for this device. A 32bit ROM should outperform any 64bit ROM easily. That's just my 2 cents tho, I would any day prefer a 32 bit ROM over any other.
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If you have the data greater than the 32bit system instruction set, you have to run the cycle twice.
64Bit doesn't mean you everytime have to run the cycle twice Imo.
When it's needed, it's done.
krypticallusion said:
If you have the data greater than the 32bit system instruction set, you have to run the cycle twice.
64Bit doesn't mean you everytime have to run the cycle twice Imo.
When it's needed, it's done.
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It's not about the data. A 64bit system uses 64 bits for referencing the memory. So when you're running any app or anything, the cpu has to wait twice the normal time to get the next instruction.
hell_lock said:
It's not about the data. A 64bit system uses 64 bits for referencing the memory. So when you're running any app or anything, the cpu has to wait twice the normal time to get the next instruction.
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Stay on N 32-bit and enjoy :')
Dreamstar said:
Stay on 32-bit and enjoy :')
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But look at the title of the thread: that's exactly the problem.
All those 32 bit ROMs are stalled, no security updates or development anymore ..
(Of course everybody is free to compile himself, I know).
Dreamstar said:
Stay on 32-bit and enjoy :')
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If you and other maintainers would continue building 32bit Oreo ROMs, then sure. But no one is anymore...
My K1 has upgraded to 7.0. it became slow when i use it. I rooted and optimzed it but it can olny get a lttle better.
I want to know if an android device can expand RAM by changing the RAM chip? And if it can perform much better?
its very difficult and not very cost-effective to hire skilled engineer to replace it . just buy a new tablet
Guan Yu said:
its very difficult and not very cost-effective to hire skilled engineer to replace it . just buy a new tablet
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so can u tell me will its RAM expand if i change the RAM chip withe higher one?
i saw the RAM of xiaomi tablet2 can be expanded with doing that. so can its CPU.
grayfox23 said:
so can u tell me will its RAM expand if i change the RAM chip withe higher one?
i saw the RAM of xiaomi tablet2 can be expanded with doing that. so can its CPU.
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i dont know cuz its also depend on software compability , but who know ? you can try it
Guan Yu said:
i dont know cuz its also depend on software compability , but who know ? you can try it
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1st,thank you for replying me. i did a lot of things befroe i buy it, because it is a second hand.and it former owner told me it was upgraded to 7.0 and became slow maybe because it 2GB RAM. so i was thinking if its RAM can be expanded by doing so.
Likely not, you will need a compatible ram chip. Even if the larger chip is compatible, the board or kernel may limit it to just 2gb. 32bit devices cannot use more than 4gb anyways. The best you can do is to just increase the swap.
grayfox23 said:
1st,thank you for replying me. i did a lot of things befroe i buy it, because it is a second hand.and it former owner told me it was upgraded to 7.0 and became slow maybe because it 2GB RAM. so i was thinking if its RAM can be expanded by doing so.
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I have been having the same thoughts as you. On this device, the ram is actually not built in the soc as most smartphones and tablets, its it separate from it on 4x512mb chips.
I got the tablet recently and the first thing that came across my mind was changing the thermal paste, the factory one is really garbage so I cleaned and replaced it with arctic mx2, under the heatsink of the soc and the ram there is some sort of a graphite thermal pad, which is not very efficient, I replaced it with thermal paste as well. Unfortunately I didn't take any pictures, so idk what are the ram chips exactly, devcheck reports that the device has lpddr3 1066mhz ram but I'm not sure if that is trustworthy.
IMO upgrading the ram to at least 3gb is very possible, now the question is what kind of ram chips we need and where should we look for them.
Tegra K1 is practically the fastest 32-bit soc in existence, so more ram would definitely help it out a lot. I mentioned it in another post but on the latest firmware the ram usage is abnormally high on this device, sitting at about 1gb at idle(no gapps, LOS) while it should be closer to 500mb.