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Note 5, s7 Edge or Note 7?

So, I'm due an upgrade. A certain electronics dealer (not sure if it would be against the rules to name them) is running 2 promos: 1) Get a Note 5: get a $250 gift card at time of purchase. 2) Get any of the s7devices (Edge/Note too) and get a free 32" Sammy Smart TV. I don't really need the tv but the mother in law could use it. So, I literally cannot decide which to get. They have pros and cons all around. I'm a trucker, so my concern about the Edge's display is whether the glare along that curve would be annoying or distracting. My wife's s7 hasn't lagged yet, but reviews of both Notes mention lag (precious few reviews of Note 5 after MM update). Most reviews can't call a clear-cut "pick this one." And so, the freebies enter the equation. What do you guys think? I'm sure some of you had the 5. Do you think the 7 is significantly better? That it performs better?

Depends, I have been a note fan for along time. I use the s pen a bunch, and love the 5.7 inch screen size. I would say if you ate a note fan , and use the s pen a lot then go with the note 7. If you don't use the pen the the s7(or edge) would be good. I had the note 5 as my daily phone for a year, it's a solid phone, but the note 7 is better. The IP68 rating is awesome and I take the note 7 everywhere without worry about the weather. The battery performance is soo much better than the note 5 as well. I also was able to get the 256gb SD card for the Note 7 and its been great to be able to have all my music in my phone again. Hope this helps.
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Sorry for lateness of reply. I've been testing an s7 Edge and an iPhone 6s+ to see if either is a suitable "upgrade." Can't do the iPhone. It's just too limiting. BUT since the Note 7 is officially done for, is the Note 5 "just as good?" I use the S Pen semi-regularly, but it isn't essential. I can do what I do without it. So I'm down to these 3 phones: s7 Edge which is ok but I'm UNimpressed with its performance. Seriously. I expected better, for some reason. LG v20 which is costly and even the AT&T rep was telling me "I've had literally 10 LG V10s returned in 6 months for manufacturing flaws." I asked her to elaborate and she said "Screen issues. Lines and such." Or the Note 5. If the s7 isn't flawless IMO, then how can a half generation older device be any better? Any input is appreciated.

keithfrombm said:
is the Note 5 "just as good?"
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I think it depends who you ask, and of course what you want to use it for. It isn't a bad device, but to give you an idea, I skipped the Note 5 in favor of my Note 4 at the time because of the removable battery and no SD card. The Note 7 however, was new enough to get me over to the other side and give the "no removable battery" a go (one of the added reasons was also the 256 GB SD card lol).
Right now, my personal options for a new phone are Pixel, V20, S7 Edge or back to my old Note 4 for the time being. And in all honesty, unless I like how the S7 Edge feels within a cover, I'll likely end up with my Note 4 again. I need the space an SD slot can provide me, and well, I'm still kind of hooked to the idea of being able to remove a battery and put a new one in

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I think it depends who you ask, and of course what you want to use it for. It isn't a bad device, but to give you an idea, I skipped the Note 5 in favor of my Note 4 at the time because of the removable battery and no SD card. The Note 7 however, was new enough to get me over to the other side and give the "no removable battery" a go (one of the added reasons was also the 256 GB SD card lol).
Right now, my personal options for a new phone are Pixel, V20, S7 Edge or back to my old Note 4 for the time being. And in all honesty, unless I like how the S7 Edge feels within a cover, I'll likely end up with my Note 4 again. I need the space an SD slot can provide me, and well, I'm still kind of hooked to the idea of being able to remove a battery and put a new one in
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Like you, I held off on the 5 because of those issues. But I'm not a huge fan of the edges/curves. There's not a case on the market that provides decent protection for it simply due to the design. To make matters worse, Zagg pulled its tempered glass protectors because they weren't staying on. Haven't found one yet that does. Functionally, it's an awful design. It's easily broken. The v20 is an option, but it's really expensive, and I just can't justify that for an LG. They don't deserve it. I've never had luck with LG devices lasting. I'm not even remotely interested in the Pixel, but my Note 4 screen has burn-in. The s7 Edge isn't awful, but I was hoping for more in terms of performance. I may just return this one and get a regular s7.

The closest thing to the note 7 is the note 5.. I'm actually using both of them till I return my note 7..lol

I got the N5 when it came out, i was hesitant about the battery and memory (reason i got the 64gb) but i have had no issues. Im glad i didn't sell it. Its in perfect condition.
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keithfrombm said:
The v20 is an option, but it's really expensive, and I just can't justify that for an LG. They don't deserve it. I've never had luck with LG devices lasting.
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Hmm, I think that's a bit the thing. While I have read others saying similar things, I never had any issues with LG Prada that I had when it first came out. I loved that phone at the time.. but granted, it's also the only LG I ever owned so I don't really know for sure how the brand holds up with other models.

I bought an LG TV & Sound plate, and have owned a G2 & Tab 7.0. only the Tab 7 still works. Also, WAAAAY back in the day I had an LG Vu (in the pre-smart phone era). The $200 rebate helps lean me towards it.

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I bought an LG TV & Sound plate, and have owned a G2 & Tab 7.0. only the Tab 7 still works. Also, WAAAAY back in the day I had an LG Vu (in the pre-smart phone era). The $200 rebate helps lean me towards it.
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There's a rebate on the V20 with ATT? If so, that may just be it for me to get pulled into it.

svache said:
There's a rebate on the V20 with ATT? If so, that may just be it for me to get pulled into it.
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You have to trade in a paid off smartphone with a minimum value of $5. LOL I'm serious.

keithfrombm said:
You have to trade in a paid off smartphone with a minimum value of $5. LOL I'm serious.
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Hmm... darnit, I wish I didn't destroy a bunch of old smartphones a few months ago. Unsure if there's anything left besides my trusty Note 4... not really feeling like giving that phone up (plus it will get as much if not more when I sell it second hand).. imagine something like the Note 7 debacle happens again lol
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Hmm just quickly checked.. still have to Galaxy S's (the first one)... guess I could get rid of those lol
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Hmm it seems I have a few more old phones, but they're all older than the S and unsure if they are all qualified to them as "smartphone", I even still have the LG Prada lol

Att charges 830 for the v20 and T-Mobile charges 750. Att is a rip off.

borijess said:
Att charges 830 for the v20 and T-Mobile charges 750. Att is a rip off.
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I agree, ATT is a lot more expensive, not just phones but also with the plans. Sadly it's also the only one (together with Verizon, but I want GSM for my trips to Europe so no chance I go to them) that has decent coverage in my state. T-mobile really lacks when it comes to coverage, their customer service isn't that great either in all honesty. The price is right, I agree, if only they had decent coverage then I could live with it I guess.

This might be good for us.
http://www.sammobile.com/2016/10/23...tedly-let-customers-get-a-galaxy-s8-for-free/

borijess said:
This might be good for us.
http://www.sammobile.com/2016/10/23...tedly-let-customers-get-a-galaxy-s8-for-free/
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What about those that just stayed with their old Note 5. This is interesting. No point in me going to a s7 when i still have a perfect N5. Hope im not screwed for not jumping to the s7
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mayonesa01 said:
What about those that just stayed with their old Note 5. This is interesting. No point in me going to a s7 when i still have a perfect N5. Hope im not screwed for not jumping to the s7
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I am thinking of holding on to the note 7 shut it off and use my one plus 3 until the s8 arrives. Then I will exchange for a s7 edge.

I wanted to hold out with my N7 but when they banned them on flights I figured just switch and deal with it...I went with the s7 edge because it was the closest to the N7...I've had it a few weeks now and it's okay. does most of the things the N7 did...I am unhappy with the screen size and do wish I had the stylus...Battery life is similar..But I do feel like I have gone backwards...
I have been calling ATT cust service and my local store trying to convince them to let me get the upgrade when the N8/S8 comes out but they wont...so I'm unhappy I'm locked into this Next contract with a year old phone..
I read Samsung may be doing upgrade offers to the N8 for N7 owners so there is still hope....
This S7 edge is an okay replacement to get us thru but its not a N7....

roninep said:
I wanted to hold out with my N7 but when they banned them on flights I figured just switch and deal with it...I went with the s7 edge because it was the closest to the N7...I've had it a few weeks now and it's okay. does most of the things the N7 did...I am unhappy with the screen size and do wish I had the stylus...Battery life is similar..But I do feel like I have gone backwards...
I have been calling ATT cust service and my local store trying to convince them to let me get the upgrade when the N8/S8 comes out but they wont...so I'm unhappy I'm locked into this Next contract with a year old phone..
I read Samsung may be doing upgrade offers to the N8 for N7 owners so there is still hope....
This S7 edge is an okay replacement to get us thru but its not a N7....
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You're not necessarily locked into it though.. if you have the Next 12, and if you still have several months to go until the 12 months, you could pay forward to get the upgrade. The rules are pretty much saying that it needs to be paid for 12 months, not that you cannot upgrade for 12 months. Meaning, you pay a few months extra (let's say it comes out in august, you would have to pay 2-3 months extra probably). It isn't a favorable option since the phone you're essentially renting from them becomes more expensive to rent, but I have had it confirmed by an ATT rep that this is indeed possible to do.

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You're not necessarily locked into it though.. if you have the Next 12, and if you still have several months to go until the 12 months, you could pay forward to get the upgrade. The rules are pretty much saying that it needs to be paid for 12 months, not that you cannot upgrade for 12 months. Meaning, you pay a few months extra (let's say it comes out in august, you would have to pay 2-3 months extra probably). It isn't a favorable option since the phone you're essentially renting from them becomes more expensive to rent, but I have had it confirmed by an ATT rep that this is indeed possible to do.
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I'm on the Next 30....I'll call ATT tomorrow and see if I can switch to the 12...ur right it's a better option altho i guess a little more expensive...

Who's trading in the V20 for an S8/S8+?

I used my Jump on TMobile to trade in my V20 for a pre-launch S8+. Anyone else going that route?

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I used my Jump on TMobile to trade in my V20 for a pre-launch S8+. Anyone else going that route?
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i plan to order on the 15th or so

Don't think us Verizon folks have that option without paying off the device in full..

nope, not interested in any device with no hifi dac
though the new galaxy looks very nice!

Although the galaxy 8 seems very promising I rather not get into their ecosystem. I'm happy with v20, I'll wait to see what v30 will offer.

Nope. Not going back to horrendous samsung sound, screen burn like you read about and no odin or root likely.

no way in hell.

- bumped the price *higher* than the iPhone
- Samsung made no comment or commitment when it comes to battery life which makes you wonder why they wouldn't
- supposedly the phones are more bloated than ever with Samsung crapware
- runs 1080p out the gate (something that hasn't happened since the s5)
I too will wait for the v30 or note 8 whichever looks better. I'll stick with the v30 if the battery remains removable or I will switch to the note 8 if they go non removable.
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Waiting for the V30 also interested in what HTC may have. Still haven't decided yet and I have quite a while as I can't jump till like November anyways. So honestly at this point none of the new devices matter to me as I'm quite happy with my device.

I have no interest in 2:1 aspect ratio.
9:16 or 10:16 is OK.
2:1 is too narrow.

mingkee said:
I have no interest in 2:1 aspect ratio.
9:16 or 10:16 is OK.
2:1 is too narrow.
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yeah, and that too! :good:

Waterproofing is cool but i would much rather have the removable battery. I use my phone as a tool for work and i have never had luck with just a stock battery. My V20 with the Hyperion extended battery i'm at 50% by the time i get home. i don't have to worry about trying to charge it if i want to go out. My nexus 6p was my only attempt at a non removable battery. Never again unless the battery is 6000mAh+

I would love to - I had a Note 7 and traded in for this pos...but I'm going to wait for the Note 8.
I hate this phone, it barely passes for my daily driver... but its still unfortunately the best alternative right now for various reasons.
I'm continually amazed at how some people like this phone compared to the Pixel or any of the Sammy line.

LOL I had a V10 which I traded for the Note 7 and then another Note 7 and then an S7 edge. I could not wait to get back to LG and I love my V20. It is way better then the Samsung's, can't wait to see what the V30 brings.

I've already placed my JoD preorder for Orchid Gray

pdtp said:
Waterproofing is cool but i would much rather have the removable battery. I use my phone as a tool for work and i have never had luck with just a stock battery. My V20 with the Hyperion extended battery i'm at 50% by the time i get home. i don't have to worry about trying to charge it if i want to go out. My nexus 6p was my only attempt at a non removable battery. Never again unless the battery is 6000mAh+
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But i still dont know why is it so hard to create a device waterproof with removable battery. Samsung itself created one and new the have messed up so much! (talking about the galaxy s5 ). That just proof that it is possible to create a device with removable battery and waterproofing at the same time.

I was really expecting a huge deal with the s8. Kind of another small step. You know its gonna be locked down tight too. Better camera, little faster, still 4 gb ram. I don't see the benefits vs the cost over the v20 or the s7. Bixby? Already been done. There will be 10 phones out this year as good as this. This is just the first.

My jump is from AT&T to T Mobile. AT&T only offered to give me $190 (they had the highest selling price for the V20 of $829.99). What a drop off in price! T mobile offered only $100 per AT&T branded V20 (of which we have 2). We decided to keep our V20s and still go to T mobile (what amonthly savings) to get 2 S8 pluses. Meanwhile we have our AT&T V20s on the T mobile network. The down payment is $130 per S8 plus leading to 24 months at $30 per month to pay the balance.

wayne8821212 said:
My jump is from AT&T to T Mobile. AT&T only offered to give me $190 (they had the highest selling price for the V20 of $829.99). What a drop off in price! T mobile offered only $100 per AT&T branded V20 (of which we have 2). We decided to keep our V20s and still go to T mobile (what amonthly savings) to get 2 S8 pluses. Meanwhile we have our AT&T V20s on the T mobile network. The down payment is $130 per S8 plus leading to 24 months at $30 per month to pay the balance.
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Wow, TMobile is giving me $600 for a trade-in for the V20. Made it worthwhile to trade-in the V20 to the S8+.

You guys should wait for the Note 8. My speculation is that everything they could have put on the S8 is gonna be saved up for the note 8. Hopefully like dual cameras, fingerprint scanner embedded in the screen, s-pen, etc

Nexus 6P in 2017?

So recently my M8 has decided to degrade a lot faster than a typical Android phone would, so I'm looking for an upgrade. Considering I'm still a college student, I can't make sense of spending over $500 just for a phone. I recently saw a few models (64GB and 128GB) for under $400, but would anyone still recommend buying this phone in 2017? The bootloop issue keeps me from pulling the trigger. I would rather not purchase another phone that I'm gonna want to throw at a wall only a few months into owning it.

akaTRAP said:
So recently my M8 has decided to degrade a lot faster than a typical Android phone would, so I'm looking for an upgrade. Considering I'm still a college student, I can't make sense of spending over $500 just for a phone. I recently saw a few models (64GB and 128GB) for under $400, but would anyone still recommend buying this phone in 2017? The bootloop issue keeps me from pulling the trigger. I would rather not purchase another phone that I'm gonna want to throw at a wall only a few months into owning it.
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If you can get a NEW model 64GB for a great price, then yeah. In the US, Walmart is selling a new 32GB model for $365. The phone is still fast as hell, runs 8.0 and gets monthly security updates. Ongoing community support is guaranteed for a LONG time. :good:

I used my 6P for about a year without any issues but I can't recommend it to those that need a reliable phone. Definitely wouldn't pay anywhere near $400. Just too many potential issues and there's better options in that price range. I bought my 64 GB gold 6P over a year ago for about $400 but had other options (5x and 6) if it had boot loop or battery issues. Now I have the 3T and will probably sell the 6P.
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I used my 6P for about a year without any issues but I can't recommend it to those that need a reliable phone. Definitely wouldn't pay anywhere near $400. Just too many potential issues and there's better options in that price range. I bought my 64 GB gold 6P over a year ago for about $400 but had other options (5x and 6) if it had boot loop or battery issues. Now I have the 3T and will probably sell the 6P.
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Yea I'm still weary of the bootloop. The phone I found was an official refurb from Google, but still, if it's unreliable even afterwards, I'd rather spend the extra money now so I don't have to spend even more later.
BTW I would prefer to buy one that works on all four networks. Currently on Sprint (hot garbage) but I'm looking to move to T-Mobile after I graduate.

My Pixel XL died and I picked up the Nexus 6P.
It's 95% as fast as the Pixel XL.
Apps do open faster on the Pixel, but the difference is negligible.
I never realized I'd be this happy with the 6P.
My only issue is premature battery failure.
I'd budget $25 to get a replacement battery if you're comfortable doing it yourself.
If not, then budget a lot more, or get a better phone.

how long have you had it?

Have my 6P for 14 months now. 95% battery health and working flawlessly so far.
Can't see any reason to replace it. if the only issue I'll have in the future is the battery than I'll simply replace it and keep using it.
It got a 2K AMOLED screen , 2Ghz big cluster and 1550 little cluster CPU, 3 Gb RAM.. can't see any reason to replace it by now.

wizardwiz said:
Have my 6P for 14 months now. 95% battery health and working flawlessly so far.
Can't see any reason to replace it. if the only issue I'll have in the future is the battery than I'll simply replace it and keep using it.
It got a 2K AMOLED screen , 2Ghz big cluster and 1550 little cluster CPU, 3 Gb RAM.. can't see any reason to replace it by now.
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What are you using to check your battery life? I've been trying to find something but haven't been able to.

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What are you using to check your battery life? I've been trying to find something but haven't been able to.
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Accubattery

I still think it's very worthy phone even in 2017. It's my all time favorite Android phone. I've owned it twice now. I as of about 4 days ago just bought another Nexus 6p from an individual who had bought it from Google but never even opened it up. It had just been sitting in the box unopened at his house for the past two years. Although I really wanted the silver, the one he had was 64g and in frost white. When he told me what he'd sell it to me for I went into shock. I bought a brand new 64g Nexus 6p for $150!!! Sealed in box never even turned on. This phone is butter smooth. The screen is amazing. It's great for media. Runs the very latest software from Google. I like it tens times better than the Pixel. The Pixel is absolutely ugly and it's not even a true XL at 5.5 inches where the 6p is 5.7 which I would consider that to be an XL. The phone design thanks to Huawei is stunning. So yeah if you can find one in the original box at the right price that was purchased from Google in case you do need a replacement then I'd say definitely yes to getting one. Don't let the boot loop scare you. Although it happens it's not to the majority of the phones. You only hear of the bad apples and not the good ones. Well mine is perfect although it was brand new it's still two yesrs old just never opened up and my battery is fine. Just do your research and ask questions and get you one. You won't regret it. This phone is by far the best and most smooth Android phone I've ever used. It's definitely at the right price very worth buying even in 2017. I believe it will get updates until late 2018 so you're good there too. Like I said research it and definitely fine one that comes in the original box with the contents. It'll help your resell value down the road.

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So recently my M8 has decided to degrade a lot faster than a typical Android phone would, so I'm looking for an upgrade. Considering I'm still a college student, I can't make sense of spending over $500 just for a phone. I recently saw a few models (64GB and 128GB) for under $400, but would anyone still recommend buying this phone in 2017? The bootloop issue keeps me from pulling the trigger. I would rather not purchase another phone that I'm gonna want to throw at a wall only a few months into owning it.
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Don't do it... Worst build quality ever, it's essentially made out of tin foil

Until the Google Pixel dual partition phones get Xposed working, I'm sticking with the 6P.
Even TWRP doesn't backup/restore reliably for Pixel dual partition setup yet.
My 6P has RR and Xposed for Nougat working just right and I'm not letting that go.

I have my 6p for over a year now and to be honest I am not happy In 2017 you would end up much better with OnePlus 5 that has similar performance to iPhone 8 and much better than Samsung Galaxy 8. Nexus 6p is way behind them now
The "frame" (thin plastic around the screen) goes off quickly and it looks quite bad and the body is made of soft metal so you would have a lot of tiny holes and few scratches after few months (and drops). Battery is good though, after a year still holds about 95% (due to AccuBattery app) and performance itself is neither bad or good.

No it's not a good buy. You want a phone to last long look elsewhere. You might get lucky and get a good model or you might get one that has one of the many issues that plagues these phones. Go for a one plus 3T

I absolutely love mine. expect to replace the battery at some point, but other than that, I think it's still a relevant phone in 2017. buy it if you see it cheap.

So hey guys. I've not really used XDA in a while, last time really active was when I got my Note 3 (that I am STILL using today.)
My budget for a "new" phone is small, aprox 200-300. I was looking at the LGv20's, but not able to nail one down (locally) for that price.
I have an offer of a great condition Nexus 6p for 225. Should I? Any idea how common the batt/loop issues are?

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So hey guys. I've not really used XDA in a while, last time really active was when I got my Note 3 (that I am STILL using today.)
My budget for a "new" phone is small, aprox 200-300. I was looking at the LGv20's, but not able to nail one down (locally) for that price.
I have an offer of a great condition Nexus 6p for 225. Should I? Any idea how common the batt/loop issues are?
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Swappa has v2O for 250-300.
My 6P has been great for over a year but I wouldn't buy even a cheap 6P unless I didn't need it to be a reliable phone. My 6P is now used as a backup.
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kingdazy said:
So hey guys. I've not really used XDA in a while, last time really active was when I got my Note 3 (that I am STILL using today.)
My budget for a "new" phone is small, aprox 200-300. I was looking at the LGv20's, but not able to nail one down (locally) for that price.
I have an offer of a great condition Nexus 6p for 225. Should I? Any idea how common the batt/loop issues are?
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No. Short battery life, lag and overheating, very poor build, terrible support from Huawei. I would avoid it personally

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Swappa has v2O for 250-300.
My 6P has been great for over a year but I wouldn't buy even a cheap 6P unless I didn't need it to be a reliable phone. My 6P is now used as a backup.
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No. Short battery life, lag and overheating, very poor build, terrible support from Huawei. I would avoid it personally
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Thanks, guys.
When this phone came out, I SUPER wanted one bad, but pretty glad I avoided it, if what I've read online is truly a common thing and not just a vocal minority. (I tried to see if I could find actual failure stats/percentages, but nothing concrete.)
And yeah, I looked at swappa, but I'm one of those "must be in my hand to inspect before I spend" guys, online purchase of expensive used electronics makes me nervous.
Found an LG V20 for ~200 this morning, but its a bit of a drive. Might do it...
Thanks again for the XDA community support.

kingdazy said:
Thanks, guys.
When this phone came out, I SUPER wanted one bad, but pretty glad I avoided it, if what I've read online is truly a common thing and not just a vocal minority. (I tried to see if I could find actual failure stats/percentages, but nothing concrete.)
And yeah, I looked at swappa, but I'm one of those "must be in my hand to inspect before I spend" guys, online purchase of expensive used electronics makes me nervous.
Found an LG V20 for ~200 this morning, but its a bit of a drive. Might do it...
Thanks again for the XDA community support.
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Glad to help out. I try not to fanboy out on any phone I own, and be honest about the good and the bad. XDA can be the worst place to ask for advice about buying phones honestly. People will say anything is good.
I keep mine around to play around with and test android updates. It hasn't been my main phone in a while though.

DISCUSSION how is the price going down on swappa?

I was trying to sell one pixel 2 xl on swappa and the prices are going crazy low. How are all these people selling new 128 GB for just $700ish range ? The phone isn't really that old yet.

Verizon's running a $300 off on it.

I'm noticing the same thing. I considered selling my 2 XL and picking up a OnePlus 5T. When I took a look at pricing on SWAPPA I was very surprised to see the current prices people are selling the phone for. Previously, the Nexus/Pixel line-up held their value much better than what I'm seeing with the current 2 XL. It's sad but I think it can be chalked up to all the bad publicity this phone keeps receiving. Talk of these issues is seemingly more widespread than I thought.
For instance, on Christmas day a family member was checking out my phone and even though he is not a tech guy by any means, even he brought up the screen burn-in issues as well as the speaker buzzing noise issues. It threw me off, to be honest. Especially considering that this is a guy who never researches phones and has stuck with the Galaxy phone line-up simply because I recommended it to him like 3 years ago.
There is a reason why both Google and the carriers have already dropped the price. It sucks and it's directly affecting resale value.
On the plus side, I've experienced no issues with my device and it's the best phone I've ever owned. So this is just a good nudge for me to hold onto it and enjoy it longer, rather than making a jump to something else and inevitably regretting it.

Add to this, the starting prices were up there with the iPhone X and Samsung Note 8! Previously Nexus phones were a good bit cheaper than the highest premium phones...this is why they were able to hold value longer.

True. Personally, I don't consider Verizon to be a viable option because it is locked down. It equates to a regular Samsung phone at this point that is locked, but that is not what everyone thinks.
What really gets me is the price. Google did not do any price drops, they just did the holiday specials which was like 50 or 75 bucks.
But on swappa some people are selling the 128 for about 700 bucks. I don't know how they're getting the phones so cheap to sell them for that price. I hope the phone doesn't end up being like the essential phone what the pricing

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True. Personally, I don't consider Verizon to be a viable option because it is locked down. It equates to a regular Samsung phone at this point that is locked, but that is not what everyone thinks.
What really gets me is the price. Google did not do any price drops, they just did the holiday specials which was like 50 or 75 bucks.
But on swappa some people are selling the 128 for about 700 bucks. I don't know how they're getting the phones so cheap to sell them for that price. I hope the phone doesn't end up being like the essential phone what the pricing
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Touchwiz on a Sammy device is not quite the same as having a Google device, whether or not you bl unlock, but that's just me. Anyway, they are selling for closer to $800 new or mint. On the Google store you can get a brand new one for about $875. But perhaps you are forgetting about the trade in too. I can trade in my old Pixel and get another $300+ off that price. So I really don't think it has lost as much value as you suspect. And as for the Verizon branded one I paid $350 on BF (Pixel XL) with no trade in. If I sold it for $650 and used my old Pixel for another year I just netted close to 3 hundred. Personally, I think we're doing ok so far. Let's see in 6 months, however.

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Touchwiz on a Sammy device is not quite the same as having a Google device, whether or not you bl unlock, but that's just me. Anyway, they are selling for closer to $800 new or mint. On the Google store you can get a brand new one for about $875. But perhaps you are forgetting about the trade in too. I can trade in my old Pixel and get another $300+ off that price. So I really don't think it has lost as much value as you suspect. And as for the Verizon branded one I paid $350 on BF (Pixel XL) with no trade in. If I sold it for $650 and used my old Pixel for another year I just netted close to 3 hundred. Personally, I think we're doing ok so far. Let's see in 6 months, however.
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True. I am hoping it doesn't plunge down..I just think the google one should and would hold the price against the Verizon one. It's like in the old days, Verizon and att phones had lower prices used than the T-Mobile ones because of the unlocked bl stuff.
Maybe I am just mad that since the pixel XL last year held up the price value well for a few months and didn't really drop dramatically except when the pixel 2 s were announced.

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True. I am hoping it doesn't plunge down..I just think the google one should and would hold the price against the Verizon one. It's like in the old days, Verizon and att phones had lower prices used than the T-Mobile ones because of the unlocked bl stuff.
Maybe I am just mad that since the pixel XL last year held up the price value well for a few months and didn't really drop dramatically except when the pixel 2 s were announced.
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As for last year you really can't compare, unfortunately. Google didn't give 5 cents off the Pixel or the XL even on black Friday. Verizon had one day, and that was BF, that they gave a tremendous deal of $10 / month and $15 for the XL for 24 months. That was it! Eventually they had a lame trade in deal but nothing from Google. This year is way different. There is really no reason to be spending more than 4 or 5 hundred for any of the devices with trade in at Google and VZW. I mean I believe that VZW even has a $300 off with no trade in! But then you're locked into them for 2 years and no bl unlock. So I believe that the price will not drop past the 6 or 7 number for some time. But I've been wrong once or twice..

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Touchwiz on a Sammy device is not quite the same as having a Google device, whether or not you bl unlock, but that's just me. Anyway, they are selling for closer to $800 new or mint. On the Google store you can get a brand new one for about $875. But perhaps you are forgetting about the trade in too. I can trade in my old Pixel and get another $300+ off that price. So I really don't think it has lost as much value as you suspect. And as for the Verizon branded one I paid $350 on BF (Pixel XL) with no trade in. If I sold it for $650 and used my old Pixel for another year I just netted close to 3 hundred. Personally, I think we're doing ok so far. Let's see in 6 months, however.
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Touchwiz has come a long way imo. The note 8 is a beast and it runs touchwiz, it junk back on like S3 & S4 but now it is great!
Also the pixel has $300+ off but I got $425 off my note 8 and had it the day it was released thanks to a preorder! I think I was like $570 ish for the note 8 out the door and shipped so the $300 off for the pixel seems quite small now! Let's see what it is in 6 months glad I sent my first few pixels back and got the newer $75 off savings!

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Touchwiz has come a long way imo. The note 8 is a beast and it runs touchwiz, it junk back on like S3 & S4 but now it is great!
Also the pixel has $300+ off but I got $425 off my note 8 and had it the day it was released thanks to a preorder! I think I was like $570 ish for the note 8 out the door and shipped so the $300 off for the pixel seems quite small now! Let's see what it is in 6 months glad I sent my first few pixels back and got the newer $75 off savings!
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I've gotta agree with this. I was pleasantly surprised with the Touchwiz UI on my Galaxy S8. It never stuttered or lagged and was just as fast as my previous Pixel XL and current Pixel 2 XL. Touchwiz really has come a long way. The same cannot be said for the LG V30, however. LG's skin on that phone is absolutely horrible. It lags/stutters/hangs constantly and no matter how many LG apps you disable, it doesn't fix it.
If LG would have just refrained from touching the OS on that phone and left it with stock Android, I never would have bought my 2 XL to begin with. Such a sad let down. The V30 is just collecting dust on my office shelf. I need to take it back to T-Mobile but I keep forgetting about it.

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Touchwiz has come a long way imo. The note 8 is a beast and it runs touchwiz, it junk back on like S3 & S4 but now it is great!
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I'd agree with this as well. My last Samsung device was the GS7 Edge and I was quite impressed. The performance was great and while not quite as fluid as the Pixel, was very consistent and stable, never slowing down over time. I think Samsung's kitchen sink approach from years past has paid off in the sense that the software additions they've kept are generally pretty useful and thoughtful additions not available in the pure Android experience.

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I've gotta agree with this. I was pleasantly surprised with the Touchwiz UI on my Galaxy S8. It never stuttered or lagged and was just as fast as my previous Pixel XL and current Pixel 2 XL. Touchwiz really has come a long way. The same cannot be said for the LG V30, however. LG's skin on that phone is absolutely horrible. It lags/stutters/hangs constantly and no matter how many LG apps you disable, it doesn't fix it.
If LG would have just refrained from touching the OS on that phone and left it with stock Android, I never would have bought my 2 XL to begin with. Such a sad let down. The V30 is just collecting dust on my office shelf. I need to take it back to T-Mobile but I keep forgetting about it.
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Oh man the LG phone software dept is need of a revamp. It has been awful! I had a G4, G5, & G6 and literally could only use for a few days it was so bad!
I agree they have good hardware but their software is just plain awful! Send the v30 to me I'll test on Verizon!!
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I'd agree with this as well. My last Samsung device was the GS7 Edge and I was quite impressed. The performance was great and while not quite as fluid as the Pixel, was very consistent and stable, never slowing down over time. I think Samsung's kitchen sink approach from years past has paid off in the sense that the software additions they've kept are generally pretty useful and thoughtful additions not available in the pure Android experience.
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Yeah you should try the s8 or note 8. They are extremely fluid compared to the pixel not quite as fluid but very very close. Also the extra ram in note is helpful especially with the kitchen sink approach
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I agree they have good hardware but their software is just plain awful! Send the v30 to me I'll test on Verizon!!
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I would but I've got it on my JUMP-On Demand program so I need to keep it to trade in on something else, at some point. I'm considering trading it in for the iPhone X to mess with for a while.

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I would but I've got it on my JUMP-On Demand program so I need to keep it to trade in on something else, at some point. I'm considering trading it in for the iPhone X to mess with for a while.
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Man I wouldn't. The Iphone X is so small and weird UI imo the swipe thing is odd, the notch is odd, no fingerprint is odd and then small screen. Just get note 8 and be done!

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Man I wouldn't. The Iphone X is so small and weird UI imo the swipe thing is odd, the notch is odd, no fingerprint is odd and then small screen. Just get note 8 and be done!
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Eh, I'd prefer to turn the V30 in for nothing in return but then I'd lose my JUMP On-Demand. So I'll probably just trade the V30 in on a super cheap $5/month phone to have as a back-up, just in case.

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Eh, I'd prefer to turn the V30 in for nothing in return but then I'd lose my JUMP On-Demand. So I'll probably just trade the V30 in on a super cheap $5/month phone to have as a back-up, just in case.
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Why are you against the note? Lol
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Why are you against the note? Lol
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Not against the note. I've just decided to hold on to the 2 XL because it's been great. I just need a cheap phone to keep my JUMP On-Demand program with TMobile. No sense in paying $30/month for the note to just throw it in a drawer.

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Not against the note. I've just decided to hold on to the 2 XL because it's been great. I just need a cheap phone to keep my JUMP On-Demand program with TMobile. No sense in paying $30/month for the note to just throw it in a drawer.
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I see. I think the note & pixel combo is going to be hard to beat. That's what I'm going to be switching between
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I see. I think the note & pixel combo is going to be hard to beat. That's what I'm going to be switching between
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If I traveled more for work I'd probably get the note 8 to have the stylus, allowing me to be more productive with my phone on the go.
It's definitely something I may start considering, actually.

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If I traveled more for work I'd probably get the note 8 to have the stylus, allowing me to be more productive with my phone on the go.
It's definitely something I may start considering, actually.
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I mean I don't travel on the road but I love almost everything about phone except just slightly too tall and fingerprint sensor placement. I use pen to keep screen clean if hands are dirty etc
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[Help] Worth buying?

Good evening,
After few days of googling around about Pixel 4, to be honest I have some kind of dilemma, is it worth buying?
Well I am currently using Samsung Galaxy A40, which is not that good phone when it comes to camera, I am still looking for phone which will be fast at the first place and it will have good camera. So that`s all from my side, let me how you feel about google pixel, is it worth buying in 2020?
Thanks again,
Sanady

For me it is still worth, I am coming from a S10+ and still the pixel is an amazing phone, ease of use and the camera is just mind blowing. Only struggle for me may be the storage as I got the 64GB version, but everything else has been awesome.

Definitely yes, I got mine a month ago and loving my Pixel 4. Camera is really awesome and stock Android with monthly updates is great. I came from an OnePlus 7 Pro which was still excellent but too large for my hands.

Sanady said:
Good evening,
After few days of googling around about Pixel 4, to be honest I have some kind of dilemma, is it worth buying?
Well I am currently using Samsung Galaxy A40, which is not that good phone when it comes to camera, I am still looking for phone which will be fast at the first place and it will have good camera. So that`s all from my side, let me how you feel about google pixel, is it worth buying in 2020?
Thanks again,
Sanady
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I wouldn't purchase it unless it goes on sale. I would wait because the pixel 5 will be coming soon and its most likely going to be cheaper than $999. the pixel 4a is out now and it can do almost everything the 4 can for $479 Canadian!

darkriff said:
For me it is still worth, I am coming from a S10+ and still the pixel is an amazing phone, ease of use and the camera is just mind blowing. Only struggle for me may be the storage as I got the 64GB version, but everything else has been awesome.
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Cool but there is few users that are recommending to wait for Pixel 5, what do you think is it worth waiting for 699$ phone which will be expensive then current Pixel?
Best regards,
Sanady

Sanady said:
Cool but there is few users that are recommending to wait for Pixel 5, what do you think is it worth waiting for 699$ phone which will be expensive then current Pixel?
Best regards,
Sanady
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As I understand the Pixel 4 will be a little faster than the Pixe 5 if rumours are correct about the Pixel 5 having a 765 CPU vs Pixel 4 855 cpu.
The biggest issue for reviews seem to be Pixel 4 battery life. I don't have the screen on for 4-5 hours daily so battery life is perfectly fine for me. One of my favorite features is the wireless charging, I'm a woodworker and make my own custom wireless charging stands.
Another consideration for me is Google FI phone service which switches between T-Mobile, Sprint, and US Cellular. Our phones switch to US Cellular visiting a daughter. Plus free unlimited calling to Mexico where a sister-in law lives.
The decision to purchase a Pixel 4 depends on your budget, expectations and how you use your phone. There are a lot of things to like about the Pixel 4. Overall it's very fast, fluid, and buttery smooth with the screens 90htz refresh rate. If your screen on time is 4-5+ hours daily without a way to recharge during the day the Pixel 4 might not be for you.
As me I like the pure android experience. Previously I rooted all my devices and installed pure android. I didn't care for example Samsung's additions and tweaks. Pixel's are the first to get the newest release or version of Android for 3 years. Example Android 11 is coming soon. The beta version available right now..
If you decide to purchase a Pixel phone I would recommend against purchasing from Verizon as the boot-loader is locked and can't be unlocked.
In 2 or 3 years when security updates stop you will have the option of rooting, installing custom roms with updated security patches.
If security is important the Pixel is the best android, Samsung is next, not perfect but very close. Some have been known to push out old security patches changing only the date giving a false sense of security. Hopefully others with more experience will correct me if I'm mistaken and can offer better advice..
The Pixel 4 isn't perfect, what phone is? Did I mention it's buttery smooth? If your screen on time is 4-5+ hours daily without a way of charging during the day the Pixel 4 is not the best device.
Good luck with your with your next device, Pixel or not. Hopefully I didn't muddy the waters with your decision. Hopefully you will come back and let us know what device you will purchase.

Absolutely not worth it. Go for the 4a it's a much better buy
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Read the PIxel 4 & 4XL are no longer available from Google, still available from other sources until sold out.

I have a 2xl that still works fine, is there any point in upgrading to a 3axl or 4? Those are my only options with my carrier. I almost never run stock unless I have to. I could wait for the 4a but it won't be available here untill the end of September.

Edmontonchef said:
I have a 2xl that still works fine, is there any point in upgrading to a 3axl or 4? Those are my only options with my carrier. I almost never run stock unless I have to. I could wait for the 4a but it won't be available here untill the end of September.
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I would wait but it's not my choice. Good luck.

GTOJim said:
I would wait but it's not my choice. Good luck.
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Pulled the trigger on a 4a pre-order from google.

Edmontonchef said:
Pulled the trigger on a 4a pre-order from google.
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Congrats on your new Pixel. I hope it is delivered much sooner than expected.

GTOJim said:
Congrats on your new Pixel. I hope it is delivered much sooner than expected.
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Canada is a few weeks behind USA, the expected delivery is September 11th for me
I bet they won't be on store shelves until October here