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Worse lowlight performance vs GS2...

Hey guys, so I don't know how many of you had a Galaxy S II but I'd be willing to bet a lot of you did. There's a thread over in the international forum about low-light/night performance. It seems Samsung used two different sensors for the GS3, a Sony one and a Samsung one. The Sony one is apparently the better performer. There are different firmware versions. Here's how to check:
*#34971539# and then Phone/CAM FW Ver Check
DO NOT click "Phone to CAM FW Write (rear)".
Mine has ZDFE02 for cam and phone firmware. Apparently the sensors are in plastic housing, and metal housing. It seems it's impossible to tell without disassembling the phone.
Here are some pictures with auto-contrast, auto-noshake, etc off. These were all taken right by my window, with, in my opinion, plenty enough light. Notice the grain on the pack itself.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wcwws42pptan9tm/2012-07-01 13.38.48.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/a4nxuvel7rvockl/2012-07-01 13.39.42.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/htculm6t44o4kw5/2012-07-01 13.39.45.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ckssps8agmczkdc/2012-07-01 13.39.59.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/htd2jkm5qs2a65o/2012-07-01 13.40.09.jpg
The white looks great, as does the ink printed on it, but I can't help but feel it's being oversharpened.
Here are a few more, at my desk with light coming in the window behind me. There's one picture with the lights on. I think you'll be able to tell which one. It's just as noisy, though. Check out the noise on the desk in the speaker pictures.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0qtjcijsfasut8l/20120701_124823.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bi0xhghgsh3vk3w/20120701_123911.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9iof2vwk6pk3qv7/20120701_124634.jpg
https://www.dropbox.com/s/m5b7m0j5zr9phwn/20120701_124616.jpg
Post your CAM FW, your phone FW, and some sample pictures with all the auto settings off. These were all taken with auto ISO, though. I still haven't taken actual night pictures. There are some really bad ones in the int'l thread though.
Here's the link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1724124
All in all, I'm pretty disappointed with the camera. My SGS2 (Epic 4G Touch) took amaaaaazing pictures, outside AND inside. I hope Samsung releases an updated firmware, or someone figures out a way to hack it and tweak the settings themselves.
Edit: I forgot to say, I got my phone (blue) on June 29th. It was shipped out the 28th. I have a friend who got his (blue) in the mail on the 21st, and his cam FW is GDFD06, but his phone firmware is GDFE01. He hasn't taken pictures yet. I'll bug him about it.

*#34971539# doesn't work on Diet ICS rom. Flashing back to stock rom and will report back. However I was taking indoor photos today and the low light performance indeed does look disappointing.
Cam/Phone FW: ZDFE02
AT&T S3 16GB (White)
Received on 6/29
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1. iso 400 with auto contrast, finger print smudge on lens
2. iso 400 with auto contrast, smudge wiped off
3. iso 800 without auto contrast, reduced available light
4. iso 800 with auto contrast, same reduced available light as #3
#3 and #4 are not clear due to camera shake/slow shutter

Took some pictures outside. Obviously they're gonna look pretty good. I got some slightly blurry pictures in my garage, despite there being enough lighting for a good focus/shutter speed. I love the macro. Check it, you can still read the text in the ash.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zerd614z9fkbijx/2012-07-01 14.53.02.jpg
Good god, the ISO800 on the bottom looks awful. Just took this, set the ISO manually to 200. Looks WAY better in my opinion. I was blocking most of the light in the room with my shadow.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ppeazpdl2lwxhwk/2012-07-01 15.28.37.jpg
Edit: Took another at ISO100. Crisp as hell. 1/15 shutter.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/117294/2012-07-01 15.34.47.jpg
After checking the EXIF data for my crappy pictures, it looks like the phone is cranking up the ISO between 500-800 to allow for better "artificial" lighting, but introducing tons of noise in the process. My 100 and 200 shots look great compared to the 640-800 shots. Set your ISO to 200, hold it steady, and try taking some pictures. I guarantee they'll look way better, as long as they're not blurry.

This is getting buried. I hope people don't miss this!
Oops, thought it would append my post. I guess this a bump.
Wow... I guess people don't give a **** about their camera. Kind of mindblowing, actually. It's one of the main reasons I got this phone.

yokken said:
This is getting buried. I hope people don't miss this!
Oops, thought it would append my post. I guess this a bump.
Wow... I guess people don't give a **** about their camera. Kind of mindblowing, actually. It's one of the main reasons I got this phone.
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Lol...the only reason most of these kids got this phone is so they could flash roms and say my **** is the best . Half of them still think the 2 gigs of ram is to future proof the phone...lol...
Camera has its disappointing side though
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Oh well, I guess all we can do is hope for a firmware update from Sammy.

yokken said:
Oh well, I guess all we can do is hope for a firmware update from Sammy.
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A carrier approved update.....now we really get to see which carrier is the worst with not releasing updates....this phone is going to be great..lol.
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yokken said:
Oh well, I guess all we can do is hope for a firmware update from Sammy.
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Why would a firmware update help if the issue is that different phones have different sensors?
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Because it might turn down the aggressive sharpening or back off on the high ISO...

yokken said:
Because it might turn down the aggressive sharpening or back off on the high ISO...
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Doubtful. The problem isn't the high iso, for sure. I also don't think software sharpening is the problem. All signs points to there being two different hardware sensors with the sony sensor being vastly superior.
My guess is that all GDxxx firmwares are associated with the Sony sensor and the ZDxxxx firmware is for the Samsung sensor. I hope I'm wrong. Cuz if I'm right, all of us in the US with GS3s are screwed.
Has there been a single US GS3 that has been confirmed with GD firmware?

Shoulda got a HOX. We knew before this phone even came out that the HOX had a better camera.
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i guess this would mean more to me if i used my phone as a camera

F1reEng1neRed said:
Shoulda got a HOX. We knew before this phone even came out that the HOX had a better camera.
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No, it doesn't. You clearly haven't read reviews carefully. The HOX's camera SHOULD have been better than the GS3 due to superior optics (f/2.0 aperture), but in real world use, it wasn't due to a variety of reasons.
I actually did have an HOX (Evo LTE) before the GS3 and returned it for a variety of reasons (one of them being the camera quality)

limeaid said:
No, it doesn't. You clearly haven't read reviews carefully. The HOX's camera SHOULD have been better than the GS3 due to superior optics (f/2.0 aperture), but in real world use, it wasn't due to a variety of reasons.
I actually did have an HOX (Evo LTE) before the GS3 and returned it for a variety of reasons (one of them being the camera quality)
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The title of the OP is low light performance. The HOX's low light is better than the S2 and obviously better than the GS3 if the OP is serious about the S2s being better than the GS3. Besides that, I haven't read a single review saying the GS3s camera is better than the HOX.
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I've got both. (The int'l HOX btw and the TMOUS branded SGSIII) The HOX has a better camera. Period.
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My US version has the GD series. Ordered direct from AT&T and received 6/24.
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I have both a GS3 and a Evo LTE on my sprint account and my unbiased opinion is the EVO has the better camera. Im not hrar to argue you so I 'll leave it at that.

F1reEng1neRed said:
The title of the OP is low light performance. The HOX's low light is better than the S2 and obviously better than the GS3 if the OP is serious about the S2s being better than the GS3. Besides that, I haven't read a single review saying the GS3s camera is better than the HOX.
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That's not what you said, genius. You said "better camera." Last time, I checked, the two don't mean the same thing And here's one of many reviews:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_iii_vs_htc_one_x-review-759p5.php
And I'll tell you right now from personal experience, the GS2 camera was better than the One X camera.
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Babydoll25 said:
I've got both. (The int'l HOX btw and the TMOUS branded SGSIII) The HOX has a better camera. Period.
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It sure as hell didn't have a better camera than the GS2

F1reEng1neRed said:
The title of the OP is low light performance. The HOX's low light is better than the S2 and obviously better than the GS3 if the OP is serious about the S2s being better than the GS3. Besides that, I haven't read a single review saying the GS3s camera is better than the HOX.
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Here's one. http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Nokia-808-PureView-camera-comparison_id3071

BakaNeko59 said:
My US version has the GD series. Ordered direct from AT&T and received 6/24.
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How's your low light performance?

GSM Arena One vs S4

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_htc_one-review-913.php
A must read

AW: GSM Arena One vs S4
It's really the best and most thorough comparison, I've read in a long time. Ultimately it's up to personal preference, which phone you choose.

paranoid2007 said:
It's really the best and most thorough comparison, I've read in a long time. Ultimately it's up to personal preference, which phone you choose.
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Yeah it did not make my decision easier, I want them both after reading it

It seemed like a good article although I think they were a bit biased towards the S4 without real justification at times.
For instance, they list the screen size as being in favour of the S4. That is entirely subjective as we know. Personally I prefer 4.7 to 5. Some will rather have 5.

I saw somewhere in local forums that S4's camera is very bad. But GSMarena are in fact saying otherwise.

it's clearly biased in a lot of areas
especially with this BS "it couldnt care less about it looks in a way its making a stronger statement than it's competitor"
a draw in the design area? are you kidding me?
also the screen and battery tests are both very flawed
he did not mention the power saver or brightness during the battery tests (actually brightness)
as for the screen, nothing makes sense, the One has a brighter screen and better view angles, nearly every other review said so
i am willing to accept the ultra pixel comparison, if Samsung indeed is giving a proper 13MP sensor without noise or low light issues than it will definitely destroy the HTC One camera but i have to say they did not do a real low light test
but yes yes if i have to chose i would go for the camera on the S4, its still better than than the big sacrifice in detail
i'm pleased OIS really works on the One and disappointed by the extremely narrow field of view on the S4

Surprisingly, the Samsung Galaxy S4 has the better low-light camera performance.
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What.

Eggcake said:
What.
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but dont miss this, it means the s4 is using a slow shutter speed in low light:
Samsung Galaxy S4. Surprisingly, the Samsung Galaxy S4 has the better low-light camera performance. You'll have to snap several photos to make sure you have a good one, but the end result will be better than what the HTC One produces. The Galaxy S4 has a slight advantage in low-light video too.
The HTC One is more reliable - thanks to its OIS you can snap just one photo and know it will be about as good as it gets. But the camera's performance is simply nothing to write home about, and there are cases when OIS just isn't helping at all (when shooting moving subjects).
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Eggcake said:
What.
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Some blogs consider evening light as "low light" - then traditional cameras still take better pics. Ultrapixels shine when "low light" means night in a city or a pub.

AW: GSM Arena One vs S4
hamdir said:
a draw in the design area? are you kidding me?
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Actually it's a draw in the hardware area, which the S4 scores only because of its sd slot and removable battery. I think that's a fair judgement.
As to pure design quote :
From a pure design standpoint, the HTC One wipes the floor with the Samsung Galaxy S4.

Brac20 said:
It seemed like a good article although I think they were a bit biased towards the S4 without real justification at times.
For instance, they list the screen size as being in favour of the S4. That is entirely subjective as we know. Personally I prefer 4.7 to 5. Some will rather have 5.
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Dude the two phones are the same size. 5 inch is obviously better than 4.7 if the overall size is the same. But you dont get boomsound on the s4.

My only complaint with this review is what they considered low light.
It was still enough light for my OG EVO to capture a decent picture.
Other than that very detailed comparison.
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yea they missed the low light point completely
the area the S4 wins is brightness and not light capture, you can easily adjust this on the HTC One using the settings
but like i said i personally would go with a camera like on the S4 but it's not fair to say to claim we are not winning anything at all in low light
we saw tons of samples to prove this already
and most important shutter speed remains the most important area in a smartphone camera, unless you like repeating your photos

epicfailguy2 said:
Dude the two phones are the same size. 5 inch is obviously better than 4.7 if the overall size is the same. But you dont get boomsound on the s4.
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Sorry but i disagree. In one handed use i can reach all points on a 4.7 inch screen but not on a 5 inch. So for me the overall unit size isn't the key. Also The One has vastly superior sound so is worth the extra size.
But this is exactly what I mean. It is a completely subjective decision, so putting it in pros and cons in an objective review is biased.

and yes the sound, they say its slightly better but that is also untrue, its vastly as confirmed by many reviews

The worst review I ever seen on photo part. Whatever photo once upscale, it will be bad in quality.
Only GSMArena reviewer will ever upscale the photo size for comparison, fail!
Beside this, the review was obvious biase in certain part.

by the way Gsmarena camera results are really worrying
im almost convinced there are two different sensors used in the HTC One

If you think this could be a reliable test, take a look at this...
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+47 minutes equals -15 hours??

hamdir said:
by the way Gsmarena camera results are really worrying
im almost convinced there are two different sensors used in the HTC One
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Well, apparently HTC is working on a software update to help with the camera "issues" that the One is having. I'll withhold judgement on the camera until that is put out and we have time to see how it affects camera performance.

I think the GSMArena takes manipulation of the mind to the level an art (like others do too), the way they twist some characterstics to seem like advantages and then go completely the other way around when it comes to others. Even when they give high praise to a phone's characteristic they can make it so that you feel like the other one is even better. It is an art which is played mostly at an subconscious level.
In the end it's not a conspiracy, it is problably just a need for good web traffic=money and they can make it so by praising the dominant company. There are probably dozens of millions of Samsung users and it is better to make them think and be at ease with the Samsung product they have chosen, being gratified with the fact that they are on the best side - its just a mind calming factor + gets your site lots of mouse clicks.
S4 is a beast but for me the qualities i seek in a phone put the HTC One on top and the S4 problably not even second.
PS: the most worrying thing is what hamdir said about the camera. Hope it does not turn out to be true but there seem to be a big difference in the quality of the photos between different reviews. Seems like this delayed launch is good for me as i can look further into this problem.

Nokia 925 Vs Htc One's camera. Nokia better?

Seems like Nokia 925 is giving HTC One's camera a run for its money.
It has similar features while have double the MPs and better low light performance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH_vPz6hcW0&list=HL1373932162

No one said the one's camera was the end all, be all of performance.
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ECEXCURSION said:
No one said the one's camera was the end all, be all of performance.
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It is a major part of htc one. the main feature that set it aprt form the rest including dual speakers and 1080p screen res.
but for the camera to be better they had to cut down to 4mp.
Nokia seems to have achived better results with 8mp which is sad for me as a htc one owner.
Ofcourse nokia uses windows which truly sucks.

Something "better" always comes out after you purchase the "latest and greatest."
Performance is always improving and considering the 925 is an update on the 920, what did you expect?
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I think the camera in my 920 totally blew away the camera in my One, but I get the impression the One can still be improved with some software tweaks. The 920 wasn't awesome on the initial software either.
Sometimes though I get really great pictures out of my One, its just not very consistent.

RaXxaa said:
Nokia seems to have achived better results with 8mp which is sad for me as a htc one owner.
Ofcourse nokia uses windows which truly sucks.
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They HAVE to have one killer feature to make people forget that they'll never get any apps.
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Oh good grief. It's packing a slightly better camera but the same dual-core S4 processor that was in last year's One XL, only 16GB of storage, and an inferior 332ppi display. It's an obsolete phone and it hasn't even been released yet.

Well you couldn't have seriously thought the ones camera would be forever superior to all future devices...
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iElvis said:
Oh good grief. It's packing a slightly better camera but the same dual-core S4 processor that was in last year's One XL, only 16GB of storage, and an inferior 332ppi display. It's an obsolete phone and it hasn't even been released yet.
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Your other points were valid, but 332ppi inferior?
Like the cameras in our phones, people take ppi too seriously.

RaXxaa said:
It is a major part of htc one. the main feature that set it aprt form the rest including dual speakers and 1080p screen res.
but for the camera to be better they had to cut down to 4mp.
Nokia seems to have achived better results with 8mp which is sad for me as a htc one owner.
Ofcourse nokia uses windows which truly sucks.
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You don't need to hate on Nokia and windows. Why do you need more than 4MP? I doubt you have a single display higher than 2-3MP.
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eallan said:
You don't need to hate on Nokia and windows. Why do you need more than 4MP? I doubt you have a single display higher than 2-3MP.
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Holy cow that's a terrible argument.

Well, I have just swapped from Lumia 920 to HTC One and I knew straight away, that the upgrade will be a real camera downgrade, and not just because of megapixels.
HTC One's camera handles very poorly at very bright sun light, hdr is underperforming as well but other than that, it is more then enough for daily shots.
Moving from WP back to Android was absolutely worth it, I don't know why I was tempted to give WP a chance.
Very little quality apps, terrible battery life. The only thing I miss is the WP keyboard

henrybravo said:
Holy cow that's a terrible argument.
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Sure it is guy. That's why your rebuttal was so good
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eallan said:
Sure it is guy. That's why your rebuttal was so good
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Arguably, the Bayer filter makes it equivalent to a 1MP photo.
The filter basically means that the photo is in a Pentile layout. That means effective resolution compared to a theoretical RGB sensor is less.

RaXxaa said:
Seems like Nokia 925 is giving HTC One's camera a run for its money.
It has similar features while have double the MPs and better low light performance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH_vPz6hcW0&list=HL1373932162
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You should probably go buy the Nokia. Thank you.

I Am Marino said:
Your other points were valid, but 332ppi inferior?
Like the cameras in our phones, people take ppi too seriously.
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HTC One's 468ppi > Nokia's 332ppi
Therefore the Nokia's display is inferior to the HTC One's I'd say. At least on paper...

I Am Marino said:
Your other points were valid, but 332ppi inferior?
Like the cameras in our phones, people take ppi too seriously.
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My One X had a display in that range, and I could see the difference between the two. 332 isn't bad, it's just inferior to 468.

eallan said:
Sure it is guy. That's why your rebuttal was so good
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Ahh yes, you are correct - my uncharacteristically poor rebuttal was lame because it was 2 in the morning here and I was going to bed. I will get back to being myself below.
"Why do you need more than 4MP? I doubt you have a single display higher than 2-3MP"
Try cropping and zooming an image that is 4 mp versus one that is, say, 8 mp or higher, and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Let's take this photo for instance. It's one I just randomly pulled off the public internet, hence the watermark.
The original:
Cropped:
If this were a 4 mp photo, since I have cropped roughly 50% of the area of the photo, it would now be a 2 mp photo. Everyone will tell you, rightly, that a 2 mp photo these days is pretty unacceptable - no one remotely interested in taking good photos would buy a phone or camera with a 2 mp sensor. You can't print the photos very big and they will just look soft. You can argue that the photographer should have just been closer to the people to begin with and framed the shot better in the first place. Well, in the world of walking around with a smartphone, when taking candid unplanned photos it is impossible to always frame the shot to the point where cropping isn't desirable.
Now I'm not saying people that are manipulating photos like this will necessarily be the type to use a 4 mp smartphone camera, but it does happen. Recently I took a picture of one of my sons at his graduation using my HTC One (my wife had the Canon DSLR camera). The picture quality was good, but there was a jubilent kid within the frame of the shot giving the "devil horns" symbol and sticking his tongue out to someone. When I cropped this kid out of the shot, I was left with basically a 2 mp photo. Had this picture been taken on 10-20 mp camera for example (a common pixel count range for middle to upper-middle quality cameras these days) the final result would have been a much more acceptable 5-10 mp. Of course, more megapixels is not always better (sensor quality is paramount), but that is an entirely different topic that's been discussed ad nauseum.

The problem is that most here on xda think cell phone companies are only manufacturing devices for us here on xda. Which we're only a small percentage.
Cell phone companies are manufacturing devices for the general consumer which excludes us since we have a more understanding of how things or some things work and know they can work better.
My point is that the general consumer, well most, will never crop nor will go and print out a poster size picture they took with their mobile device. They are just going to snap a shot, share it on a social site or to a friend or family.
By the way, didn't mean to thank you on your other post. Freebie

RaXxaa said:
Seems like Nokia 925 is giving HTC One's camera a run for its money.
It has similar features while have double the MPs and better low light performance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH_vPz6hcW0&list=HL1373932162
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Use HDR, that guy probably used night mode for HTC One. Nokia also uses some kind of software editing after it takes the picture to make it brighter.
Here is a HDR Photo in extreme low light. The only light in the room is that light comes from monitor.
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And same image with night mode
And this is from HTC Sensation, low light mode

First full day with my Moto-x and Iphone pic comparision

I purchased a moto-x yesterday out of contract to give it a "road test" and If I liked it I would return it and order 32gb as my Iphone 5 replacement. I had to make a trip to NYC today. My train ride into Penn station is typically 1 hr 10 minutes and today I waited another 10 at the platform. I started out at 100% and started streaming Spotify over LTE and sat on reddit and google chrome for most of the way along with a few games of solitaire and burnt it down to 65%. I fared about the same with my Iphone 5 while making the same run pre-IOS7 however expect worse performance after the update. I was in battery park for the most of the day and lost another ~10% in the subway roaming/intermittent streaming. By the time I got on the train 7 hours later I was at 35%, I used the navigation for about 10 minutes to get some food (awesome btw).
Things I like about the phone.
The screen size is nicer than the Iphone 5 however may not be "as bright" I assume this has to do with the OLED screen.
The Active notifications has to be my favorite feature. It really is quite nice and I dread going back to my Iphone 5 without it.
The active feature while driving is nice however I haven't given it the full test yet.
Google Hangouts is amazing, it really is and I am going to force my girlfriend to use it on her iphone.
Android feels like a smart phone that wants to "help you". I'm sure that doesn't make sense. It just has some mystical google type power IMO.
Things I don't like.
I was hoping battery life would be a little better based on reviews, however I find it good enough.
The camera however this is an AT&T phone without the latest update. The camera will make or break this phone for me as I have a room full of fishing pictures, most are really good and taken with smartphone camera's (Iphone's.)
Also I tried to scan a barcode and it was just NOT happening while on the train, something the iphone did no problem (using myfitnesspal)
It also doesn't charge as fast as my iphone, however that may be because of the larger battery?
Also, when I return this phone this weekend, is there A way I can have everything backed up, so when I get my new phone I won't have to set everything up again and download all these apps over?
Here is the pic comparison, done side by side. http://imgur.com/a/tywmw

I'm actually having trouble making my picture look as bad off as you did and I am not able to reproduce it.
The color in my photos is spectacular, way better than my HTC One. I just took this of my salt water fish tank and it's way more than close... It's impeccably accurate.
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Doing photo comparisons at this point is a waste of time. Att is going to have the update out very soon so why bother. The camera is great after the fix.
Compare then.
To answer your question you have the option to back up ur apps through your Google account. They redownload as soon as you log in on the next phone

osiris355 said:
Doing photo comparisons at this point is a waste of time. Att is going to have the update out very soon so why bother. The camera is great after the fix.
Compare then.
To answer your question you have the option to back up ur apps through your Google account. They redownload as soon as you log in on the next phone
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yesterday... i have just flash the tmo firmware on my unlock bootloader rogers version... and update ! my wife now want the white moto x ! pictures quality is just like the day and night... equal or better to the iphone 5... equal to the sg4 ...
... mmm i have say the tmobile firmware is excellent ... no brand no bloat ( retail en us on the about ) ...

Would you say the battery life is pretty similar for both phones? also how much thicker is the moto x?

mhsbrian said:
I'm actually having trouble making my picture look as bad off as you did and I am not able to reproduce it.
The color in my photos is spectacular, way better than my HTC One. I just took this of my salt water fish tank and it's way more than close... It's impeccably accurate.
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Don't think i'm dissing the phone, I like it more than the iphone5
I'm just waiting for the update.

People tend to like the over saturated photos that the iPhone and Samsung produces... The Moto X creates pictures closer to real life colors.
Its the same with DSLR's, Canon processes photos with colors close to real life but the Nikon gives it more saturation - newcomers tend to go Nikon for this reason.
I prefer the real life colors, and I'll add saturation if needed later on.
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People tend to like the over saturated photos that the iPhone and Samsung produces... The Moto X creates pictures closer to real life colors.
Its the same with DSLR's, Canon processes photos with colors close to real life but the Nokia gives it more saturation - newcomers tend to go Nokia for this reason.
I prefer the real life colors, and I'll add saturation if needed later on.
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Agree 100 percent, iPhone photos always bleed colors and it's especially seen in very detailed things.
In terms of Nikon and canon, I shoot with a Canon and only would buy an older Nokia if I was to but one myself.
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Agree 100 percent, iPhone photos always bleed colors and it's especially seen in very detailed things.
In terms of Nokia and canon, I shoot with a Canon and only would buy an older Nokia if I was to but one myself.
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-_- Nokia? I think you mean Nikon.

mentose457 said:
-_- Nokia? I think you mean Nikon.
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SwiftKey filled it in for me lol
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rman18 said:
People tend to like the over saturated photos that the iPhone and Samsung produces... The Moto X creates pictures closer to real life colors.
Its the same with DSLR's, Canon processes photos with colors close to real life but the Nokia gives it more saturation - newcomers tend to go Nokia for this reason.
I prefer the real life colors, and I'll add saturation if needed later on.
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Again I think you mean NIKON. I never experienced excessive saturation on any of Nikon DSLRs. I never used retard mode or full retard mode on them though. If you are using those modes on your Canon, well, congratulations.

mentose457 said:
Again I think you mean NIKON. I never experienced excessive saturation on any of Nikon DSLRs. I never used retard mode or full retard mode on them though. If you are using those modes on your Canon, well, congratulations.
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NIKON, as you say.. Makes great cameras I don't see what your point here is besides starting a war that's been waged since the dawn of personal photography.
On another note, my main camera is a pentax k-5, that doesn't mean it shoots way better photos. But it's weather resistant and takes the best night pictures of any camera I've ever owned.
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NIKON, as you say.. Makes great cameras I don't see what your point here is besides starting a war that's been waged since the dawn of personal photography.
On another note, my main camera is a pentax k-5, that doesn't mean it shoots way better photos. But it's weather resistant and takes the best night pictures of any camera I've ever owned.
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Just pointing out that any camera that has manual control can be adjusted to take life like colors. IMO comparing auto modes on manual cameras is stupid.
My boss shoots a k-5, its an attractive camera. I like that the image stabilization is in the camera not the lens.

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Just pointing out that any camera that has manual control can be adjusted to take life like colors. IMO comparing auto modes on manual cameras is stupid.
My boss shoots a k-5, its an attractive camera. I like that the image stabilization is in the camera not the lens.
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Yeah, it's a fantastic camera... The biggest turn on for me was the Iso noise is tremendously low even at very high Iso ranges.
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Absolutely disappointed with the camera

is anyone else? i came from a G2 hoping for a much better camera, as I preferred the GS4 camera to my G2...yeah, well I get my GS5, and i'm sitting here looking at the pics i've taken, and good god they're awful. they just look horrible compared to what the G2 shoots.
and low light? FORGET IT. if you can even get it to focus without the flash on (which it won't, at all, after numerous attempts of me trying with even lights on behind me) it's going to look like garbage anyway.
now i'm sitting here wondering if I should return it or not. I spent full price on the damn thing (after selling a GS4 and a Gnex) and i'm really wondering if it's even worth it to keep because i was honestly expecting a good camera, especially from all of the raving about it i've seen.

Camera looks great here
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terrible. it can't even focus on something with lighting in the room...and the outdoors pic? is this phone for real?

There were some reviews about the galaxy s 5 camera, the reviewers seemed to not like the camera.
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Maybe stating the obvious, but did you remove the plastic film over the lens?
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Maybe stating the obvious, but did you remove the plastic film over the lens?
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yep, first thing i did. if ya notice, the plastic doesn't cover the sensor itself..only the outer portion.
oh well, i gave up on the S5. on top of build quality issues (the creaking/shifting body that Samsung is known for..) and that crappy camera, I just went and returned it tonight. had to pay a $35 restocking fee, but whatever. got my $600 back.
wish you guys the best!

jayochs said:
yep, first thing i did. if ya notice, the plastic doesn't cover the sensor itself..only the outer portion.
oh well, i gave up on the S5. on top of build quality issues (the creaking/shifting body that Samsung is known for..) and that crappy camera, I just went and returned it tonight. had to pay a $35 restocking fee, but whatever. got my $600 back.
wish you guys the best!
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You got a dud. That's too bad. it happens. My pictures are nothing like yours.
Untitled by Mechatricity, on Flickr
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S5 has abandoned Sony sensors right? That would explain OP. Maybe new Samsung sensors are just not as good as Sony's. We all know megapixel is secondary anyway....

My cam is fine...I posted a pic in other thread. You got a bad phone. Exchange it. Those pics you posted aren't good.

I'm happy with the cam as well. Haven't tried any outdoor shots yet but it looks at least as good as my s4 so far. I like the new options and cleaner access. Just snapped this on a whim...
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I'll second this. Not near as bad as Jayochs, but not any better than the S4, and worse, IMHO, in bright outdoor shots where the S4 was incredible. Medium to low-light is improved only because you can see the images more - but if you don't use stabilization mode, they're horribly noisy. If you do use stabilization mode, they look better, but then a LOT of your indoor shots, even if they're not low light, will end up asking you to hold still for 3-4 seconds.
And I don't know about y'all, but my camera is relatively slow to load. Keeping in mind I'm comparing to a 5S and M8. So far the laggier camera experience and not-as-great-as-they-said-it-would-be images have me liking the M8's camera more... it's just so darn fast, and consistent and focusable and can take medium-lit shots quickly.
Edit: full disclaimer... I'm a nitpicky phone camera snob!

Put me down as another who is disappointed in the camera. Outdoor shots are great for me, but indoor shots are extremely lackluster. Even with stability on, they're disappointing. The indoor capabilities of the iPhone 5S blow this one out of the water. Given the pixel size, I didn't expect it to be better at indoor shots than the 5S or the M8, but I was definitely hoping that it would be better than it is.
I'm going to give it a few more days, but this is potentially a deal breaker for me. That's very disappointing, especially since there's very little else that I dislike about the phone.

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Put me down as another who is disappointed in the camera. Outdoor shots are great for me, but indoor shots are extremely lackluster. Even with stability on, they're disappointing. The indoor capabilities of the iPhone 5S blow this one out of the water. Given the pixel size, I didn't expect it to be better at indoor shots than the 5S or the M8, but I was definitely hoping that it would be better than it is.
I'm going to give it a few more days, but this is potentially a deal breaker for me. That's very disappointing, especially since there's very little else that I dislike about the phone.
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Yep, same here. Though others have said their camera loads up quite fast - my experience is it's pretty laggy moving in and out of it. But I also love just about everything else about it, so if I can get used to the camera, or maybe figure out what I'm missing (if anything??), it'll be good. If not, it'll be the M8 for me likely... though I don't like how slippery / heavy it is.
I hate to say it (ok I don't really hate it), but after all of the devices I've used, I still feel like the 5S is still the best all around mobile camera experience when you combine the usability with image quality. The M8 is on par when it comes to speed and usability - heck it might even be faster. But image quality is still better on the 5S.
And good to see you b! I've been pretty forum-inactive for awhile...

jntdroid said:
Yep, same here. Though others have said their camera loads up quite fast - my experience is it's pretty laggy moving in and out of it. But I also love just about everything else about it, so if I can get used to the camera, or maybe figure out what I'm missing (if anything??), it'll be good. If not, it'll be the M8 for me likely... though I don't like how slippery / heavy it is.
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I doubt you're missing anything. I've gone through every setting and tried a host of things to get better pictures out of it to no avail. I spent quite a bit of time yesterday taking the exact same shots with the S5, Note 3, and iPhone 5S. Outdoors during the day, the S5 reigned supreme, with both the Note 3 and 5S close behind. Outdoors at night, the 5S was the clear winner with the S5 and the Note 3 providing similar results (with the S5 coming out slightly ahead between the two). Indoors, the 5S came out on top again in every lighting situation, both without a flash and with a flash. The S5 was slightly better than the Note 3 indoors, but really not by much.
Given that the overall image quality between the S5 and the Note 3 isn't a huge difference, I'm leaning towards returning the S5 and just keeping the Note 3 for now.
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I hate to say it (ok I don't really hate it), but after all of the devices I've used, I still feel like the 5S is still the best all around mobile camera experience when you combine the usability with image quality. The M8 is on par when it comes to speed and usability - heck it might even be faster. But image quality is still better on the 5S.
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Agreed. The 5S that I use for work is just solid all around when it comes to the camera, providing really great shots in almost all lighting conditions. The only phone I've used that's better is the Lumia 1040, but it doesn't have the speed that the 5S does. Apple really nailed the camera for the 5S.
The S5 has officially been approved as a device we can use for work, so I was hoping to replace both my Note 3 and my 5S with it and only have to carry one device for personal and business use. But so far, the camera on the S5 makes that impossible.
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And good to see you b! I've been pretty forum-inactive for awhile...
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Yeah. I've been out of the country for work for an extended period, often in places with little to no internet service. I'm back in the States for a little bit, so I'll be popping up a little more often.

Anyone know why it's so bad? I don't understand how some are getting great pics and others are getting not so good. I'm in the not so good group. Some pics I feel like my rezound takes just as good. Lol
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jagrave said:
Anyone know why it's so bad? I don't understand how some are getting great pics and others are getting not so good. I'm in the not so good group. Some pics I feel like my rezound takes just as good. Lol
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It can take great pics, don't get me wrong - though even when it's great, I'm not convinced it's better than the S4.
I think it's a combination of a new sensor, a new "style" of auto-focus, and post-processing issues.

jntdroid said:
It can take great pics, don't get me wrong - though even when it's great, I'm not convinced it's better than the S4.
I think it's a combination of a new sensor, a new "style" of auto-focus, and post-processing issues.
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I think that's one of the biggest problems. Even in well-lit situations, sometimes things - like people and animals - can come out looking like an oil painting. That's one of the biggest problems with indoor shots as well. Turning off the stabilization helps a little with that, but not as much as one would think. I've tried all of the major third-party camera apps, and none of them give much better results. For indoor shots, the sensor just isn't big enough to let in the amount of light that's needed to take an above average picture.
I think some of the discrepancies in what various people are reporting with the quality comes down to photo quality preferences, what different people are used to with the phones in their cameras, and at times a more discerning eye for quality. The S5 camera is certainly no slouch, and I'd place it above pretty much all other Android phones right now as far as being an all around shooter (there are others that do certain things better, but not everything), but it's not the big step forward that I really wanted it to be.
I'm going to be returning it and going back to my Note 3 for the time being.

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I think that's one of the biggest problems. Even in well-lit situations, sometimes things - like people and animals - can come out looking like an oil painting. That's one of the biggest problems with indoor shots as well. Turning off the stabilization helps a little with that, but not as much as one would think. I've tried all of the major third-party camera apps, and none of them give much better results. For indoor shots, the sensor just isn't big enough to let in the amount of light that's needed to take an above average picture.
I think some of the discrepancies in what various people are reporting with the quality comes down to photo quality preferences, what different people are used to with the phones in their cameras, and at times a more discerning eye for quality. The S5 camera is certainly no slouch, and I'd place it above pretty much all other Android phones right now as far as being an all around shooter (there are others that do certain things better, but not everything), but it's not the big step forward that I really wanted it to be.
I'm going to be returning it and going back to my Note 3 for the time being.
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What about the note 3 do you like better? And how does the note 3 camera compare?
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What about the note 3 do you like better? And how does the note 3 camera compare?
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I typed up a little summary of the comparison I did between the cameras a few posts up.
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I doubt you're missing anything. I've gone through every setting and tried a host of things to get better pictures out of it to no avail. I spent quite a bit of time yesterday taking the exact same shots with the S5, Note 3, and iPhone 5S. Outdoors during the day, the S5 reigned supreme, with both the Note 3 and 5S close behind. Outdoors at night, the 5S was the clear winner with the S5 and the Note 3 providing similar results (with the S5 coming out slightly ahead between the two). Indoors, the 5S came out on top again in every lighting situation, both without a flash and with a flash. The S5 was slightly better than the Note 3 indoors, but really not by much.
Given that the overall image quality between the S5 and the Note 3 isn't a huge difference, I'm leaning towards returning the S5 and just keeping the Note 3 for now.
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In short, the S5 is an improvement, but not a big one. The differences were pretty marginal in most cases.
As for what I like better about the Note 3 it really comes down to two things - the size of the screen and the S-Pen.

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if ya notice, the plastic doesn't cover the sensor itself..only the outer portion.
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Ahem.....it most certainly DOES cover the entire lense.
Best find a girl with a sharp fingernail and pay her to scrape it off for you.
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BTW, mine is fast, and sharp, and works nearly as well as my Canon camera.